The rise of Damaso Marte

Fan Confidence Poll: November 2nd, 2009
2009 World Series Chat

Damaso Marte in Game FourWhen the playoffs started, the question wasn’t whether Damaso Marte would be the first or second lefty reliever out of the bullpen, it was will he even be on the playoff roster? Three-plus weeks later, he’s morphed from an “only in an emergency” option to a bonafide weapon out of Joe Girardi‘s bullpen.

It’s no secret that Marte’s Yankee career started off in inauspicious fashion. After being acquired along with Xavier Nady at the 2008 trade deadline, Marte put 24 men on base in just 18.1 IP to close out the year, though his 3.02 FIP and 3.71 tRA disagreed with his 5.40 ERA. Then, in a somewhat surprising move, the Yankees declined Marte’s $6M option for 2009 only to re-sign him to a three-year, $12MM deal a week later. It was surprising because the team took on much more risk, rather than being able to walk away after a year if things didn’t go as planned. And they didn’t go as planned, at least as first.

Marte returned from the World Baseball Classic with shoulder inflammation, and then proceeded to serve up three homers and allow nine runs in his first seven outings of the season, covering just 5.1 IP. His velocity was down, and he ended up on the DL in early May with a sore shoulder. With CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett, Mark Teixeira, and Nick Swisher performing so well, Marte certainly looked like the token dud offseason move.

After getting cleared by Dr. Andrews, Marte’s rehab experience started way down with the rookie level Gulf Coast League Yankees. He ultimately made 13 rehab appearances, 11 with Triple-A Scranton, which is an unusually high number. It seemed like the team was in no rush to get him back up to the big leagues, and sure enough when he did return in late August, he was used sparingly in low-leverage spots. His season numbers were pretty awful (9.45 ERA, 5.65 FIP, 5.30 tRA), but he held lefties to a .120-.214-.280 batting line and got his postseason spot because of the presence of Joe Mauer and Jason Kubel in the middle of Minnesota’s lineup.

Since the playoffs started, not only has Marte usurped Phil Coke as the primary lefthander out of the bullpen, he’s also jumped ahead of several righthanders in the setup crew pecking order. After allowing a pair of singles to Mauer and Kubel to start his 2009 postseason, Marte has retired the last 10 batters he’s faced, three on strikeouts thanks to a ridiculous 79.4% strike rate (yes, I know it’s in a small sample). He’s completely neutralized NLCS MVP Ryan Howard (0-for-3 with a strikeout in the World Series, 0-for-3 with three strikeouts career coming into the series), and pretty much everyone else that stood in the box.

Yankee fans crushed Marte all season long, saying he couldn’t handle the pressure of playing in New York, the usual shtick like that. A few of us stood by him, noting that his long and impressive track record indicated that he’s not just a good reliever, but one of the better and more consistent relievers of the century. Judging players on small sample sizes, especially when they were dealing with an injury, is never a good idea, and now Marte is rewarding Girardi’s faith by getting crucial outs in the late innings of October November. Remember, he’s the only reliever in the bullpen aside from Mariano Rivera with World Series experience.

Considering how recent postseason performance can inflate salaries on the open market, the Yankees may have actually saved themselves some money by re-signing Marte semi-long-term last offseason instead of just picking up his option and letting him hit the market again this winter. Funny how these things work out.

Photo Credit: Nick Laham, Getty Images

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Fan Confidence Poll: November 2nd, 2009
2009 World Series Chat
  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Bullpens are funny things, ain’t it?

    Seriously, if told me in April that Damaso Marte would basically be the 8th inning guy in the WS, I would have just stared.

    • radnom

      Really?

      Going into the season, the 8th inning was supposed to be a battle between Marte and Bruney. That would have been completely expected.

      If you told me Hughes in the 8th however….I would not have believed you.

      • the artist formerly known as (sic)

        If you had told me in April that AJ Burnett would have thrown 235+ innings and not missed a single start…I would have kissed you on the mouth.

    • Yogis

      success begats confidence, confidence begats success. With all the lefty bats, lefty in the 8th is not so strange (of course, if Hughes is still hot, that would be another story).

  • http://www.livingwithballs.com Living with Balls

    You have to give Giradi a lot of credit for sticking with this guy. I never would have.

    • Chris C.

      Sticking with who, Marte?
      Why not? You got to give a guy a chance to recover from an injury.

  • Spaceman.Spiff

    I always knew that Marte was a good reliever. People were killing him but he’s had a record of success in the Majors and that shouldn’t have been discredited so easily.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    TSJC gets to serve a lot of people a whole bunch of crow.

    • jsbrendog

      not to toot my own horn but toot toot.

      i have been saying ALL YEAR damaso marte is a very very good pitcher.

      so all the haters can clutch this.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD
      • donttradecano

        i dont wanna toot my own horn either, but i will.

      • Chris C.

        ……until he gives up a 3 run homer. Then he’ll go back to being a bum again.

        Nobody was on his bandwagon after the Minnesota appearence. Now all of a sudden everyone claims they were begging for him to make his way to the mound. Some of you people are shameless.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Stop me if you’ve heard this before, but, um…

      Damaso Marte is a Damn Good Reliever.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The original:
        http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-419737

        Curiously, both Google and the RAB search engines can only locate Namedrop #5, but I know I did several others:
        http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-434388

        • radnom

          My reply to that comment from July is still riding strong.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            June, but yeah.

            OAKTAG to you for not reading the timestamp properly.

            • radnom

              I suspect that I read it properly and its a short term memory fail.

  • Dela G

    man marte has proven me wrong this entire postseason

    he has been a super duper stud.

  • A.D.

    Yeah you still hear the grumblings to a certain extent now, as people mumble why Marte warming up, since all they really remember is beginning of this year.

    So far he’s been money, and that’s what one should expect given his track record.

  • jsbrendog

    im not even gonna lie, i love to say i told you so.

  • Zack

    its so good to see him healthy and effective, so i dont have to hear people say we should give up a 1st round pick to sign Mike Gonzalez

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      How is Mike Gonzalez a Class A free agent but Matsui is like barely a B…or is he not even anything?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Elias rankings are all types of goofy.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Matsui’s strictly a DH, which hurts his value.

        Also, he’s a type B as of right now. Not that it really matters, though, because he, nor Damon, will be offered arbitration. Nady’s a possibility because he’s a Type B as well, but I doubt it.

        • Chris

          Matsui’s strictly a DH, which hurts his value.

          I don’t think that has an effect. Outfielders, 1B and DH are all lumped together. And all of the metrics are based on offense. He’s not a type A because he missed a ton of last year.

          • Chris C.

            Matsui’s strictly a DH, which hurts his value.

            I don’t think that has an effect. Outfielders, 1B and DH are all lumped together. And all of the metrics are based on offense. He’s not a type A because he missed a ton of last year.

            LMAO!!! Of course if hurts his value! Are you crazy? If Matsui, having the season he just did, could also play the outfield, he’d get a 13-16 mill per year deal over 3 years. But since he can’t, he’ll be lucky to even sniff a two year contract!
            Doesn’t hurt his value? You gotta be kidding.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        They don’t compare positions. Gonzalez is a Type-A compared to other relievers, Matsui is a B compared to other 1B/DH/OF.

        It’s stupid, but it’s the way it is.

  • Frank1979

    I can’t speak for other Yankee fans, but I think my main concern with Marte was not his level of talent or his track record, but his injury problems in the past year since joining the Yankees. I was afraid that we might have traded for damaged goods.

    That being said, he is finally 100% healthy and he is absolutely dealing. His eight inning the other night in game 3 was just dominant.

    I also like the fact that we have 2 solid lefties in our bullpen now and if Marte can stay healthy next year and keep pitching like this, that should also take some of the pressure off of Coke.

    • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

      +1

      I don’t think it ever was his talent level people were concerned with. He just wasn’t getting the job done…and people had a right to be upset. Regardless of whether he had talent or not…he didn’t look pretty for quite a long time.

      Now he does…and that’s all that matters.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        and people had a right to be upset.
        Uhm no not at all. Not based on an extremely short sample size.

        • Nady Nation

          Saying people didn’t have a right to be upset with Marte is just not fair. I’m a Marte fan, but the fact is, since he came off the DL in September, he had not performed up to expectations as a Yankee. I think people were perfectly justified in being upset and disappointed by his results after coming over in that trade last year. Rose was not saying people had the right to claim Marte sucks and would never be a useful piece for the Yankees, she merely said people had a right to be upset by his performance here – which they did.

          • whozat

            a) Rose is a dude

            b) People have the right to feel however they want. They do not, however, have the right to have their opinion go unchallenged. The complaint wasn’t “wow, Marte hasn’t performed up to his usual level of excellence since he came over in the trade,” it was “this guy is terrible and Cashman is an idiot,” and that point of view was unsupportable by the facts at hand. As such, it was challenged, as it should have been.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              The complaint wasn’t “wow, Marte hasn’t performed up to his usual level of excellence since he came over in the trade,” it was “this guy is terrible and Cashman is an idiot,” and that point of view was unsupportable by the facts at hand. As such, it was challenged, as it should have been.

              You’re eliminating any rational criticism of Marte because it makes your case stronger, but that’s an unfair tactic. There were certainly people who weren’t happy with Marte but who also weren’t moronic assholes who immediately decided Marte was terrible and that Cashman was an idiot. When someone takes an argument too far like that (eliminating rational opponents and insisting the only opponents are the irrational ones) it only serves to make them look like they have an agenda and kinda hurts their credibility in the argument.

              • whozat

                I guess I incorrectly assumed that it was obvious that we weren’t talking about people who were willing to reserve judgment.

                Rose said “I don’t think it was ever his talent level people were concerned with,” and that is patently false. There were many, many people who asserted that Marte sucks.

            • Nady Nation

              a. Whoops, my bad. Apologies to Rose.

              b. If you read my comment, I am certainly not defending the Marte bashers. All I’m saying was that his level of performance was disappointing when he first came over here, and at the beginning of this season. I understand that there were reasons that could be attributed to his subpar performance, but I think fans still had the right to be frustrated and upset with the results that Marte was producing. Again, I like Marte and always held out hope that he’d return to his career norms. I just don’t think it’s fair to group some of the rational, level-headed thinkers, which I’d like to consider myself to be, with the “Marte’s a bum” group.

            • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

              I never said Cashman is an idiot and the guy IS terrible. I simply said that we had a right to be upset (with his performance). I don’t see how having a 7.11 ERA over 31 innings of work in 2 seasons is something you can’t be upset about? If you’re not upset about it…there are only two other options. You’re happy with it…or you have absolutely no feelings what-so-ever. Which doesn’t make any sense. I was upset with his performance…very simply…very truly.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                If you’re not upset about it…there are only two other options. You’re happy with it…or you have absolutely no feelings what-so-ever. Which doesn’t make any sense. I was upset with his performance…very simply…very truly.

                Stated Option A: Be happy with it
                Stated Option B: Be upset about it
                Stated Option C: Have no feelings whatsoever

                Unstated, but correct Option D: Choose not to overreact to ANY small sample by ANYONE, reserving ultimate judgment for a later period where there is more information that can be used, and in the interim, use the larger career sample to make judgment on whether said player has a bright future or a dim one

                Your decision making tree is incomplete. You do not allow for the admission that you just don’t know enough yet to pass judgment, nor do you give enough weight to the past. If a player is very good before coming here and then very bad when here, the historical record says they’ll probably be good over the long term while here, you just have to give it more time.

                Don’t jump to conclusions. You’ll be wrong frequently.

            • Chris C.

              “b) People have the right to feel however they want.”

              People suck, and 98% of them should be ignored.
              I know that sounds grim, but that’s just reality.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            She. Heh heh.

            • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

              Watch it, Mondesi!

          • JobaWockeeZ

            And how can you say he did not live to expectations with a grand, whopping total of 18 IP in 2008?

            And looking at his game logs in 2008 where people were already writing him off as a bust, his “bad” performance has been blown out of proportion.

            http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2008

            I don’t see how it’s “justified” being disappointed which is an understatement.

        • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

          How can you say “not at all?” That’s ridiculous.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          That.

          People did NOT have a right to be upset. If you were upset that Damaso Marte was not getting the job done based on 23.2 innings, innings where he was A) readjusting to the AL and B) hurt, I’m sorry, you’re an idiot. Non-idiots would have calmed down and looked at his larger sample size first before getting upset, and after looking at that large sample size, you would have chosen not to get upset because you would have been calmed by the knowledge that Damaso Marte Is A Damn Good Reliever and he was bound to improve and return to his high level of excellence.

          Smart people use knowledge and wisdom to refrain from overreacting.

          • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

            2 seasons (31.2 IP) – 7.11 ERA, 29 hits, 16 BB, 1.421 WHIP

            I have a right to feel anyway I wish about these terrible numbers. If you always sat back and knew he would blossom during the World Series and World Series only, I don’t buy it.

            With the numbers he had put up previously…I was upset with his performance. It was bad. Small sample size or not…there is no way to feel happy or have no feeling at all towards those numbers…so the only other feelings to have for numbers like those are negative ones.

            Because we were upset with his numbers doesn’t mean everybody threw in the towel and never felt he could pitch again…it just means that we weren’t satisfied with his performance…and rightfully so.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              If you always sat back and knew he would blossom during the World Series and World Series only, I don’t buy it.

              Buy it, because that’s exactly what the fuck I did.

              • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

                Haha well congratulations. And I’m very happy with his performance in the World Series thus far…although it’s an even smaller sample size than the “upsetting” one you said was unfair to have any feelings towards…so I’m assuming feeling good about this performance is just as arbitrary? lol

                • the artist formerly known as (sic)
                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  And I’m very happy with his performance in the World Series thus far…although it’s an even smaller sample size than the “upsetting” one you said was unfair to have any feelings towards…so I’m assuming feeling good about this performance is just as arbitrary? lol

                  :: facepalm ::

                  You just don’t get it.

                  Marte before arriving here: A very good pitcher, with oodles of good innings to prove it
                  Marte, from arrival to end of 2009 regular season: A bad pitcher (with adjustment, overuse and injury mitigations that could partially explain his struggles)
                  Marte, 2009 postseason: A very good pitcher

                  Is the playoffs a small sample? Yes. Smaller than his previous Yankee tenure? Yes. How do we then judge these two contradictory small samples? Weigh them against his largest sample, his pre-Yankee career, to see which one is the statistical outlier. Whichever one that is, throw it away, it’s probably bullshit and not indicative of who he really is.

                • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

                  Facepalm??

                  I just don’t understand how you can say I don’t have a right to be upset with bad performance, because based on larger sample sizes, he is better than the outcome we received. That’s ridiculous.

                  But we’re allowed to feel positively about his even smaller sample size at the moment…because when compared to a larger sample size of performances when he was younger and healthier…it’s great.

                  I’m sorry but I’m going to have to return the facepalm. I just don’t agree.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
                • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose
                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  One of the keys to good sensemaking is understanding outliers.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              And you just put in the main flaw of our argument. It’s a small sample size. It is not accurate to base his performance on 30 IP.

              Why nto use his career where he’s been good?
              Here’s his game logs in 2008.
              http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2008

              He’s been good except for a couple of games that inflated his ERA because of his small sample size.

              For the majoirty of times he’s pitched for the Yankees, he’s done his job. I can’t see why you can be disappoitned when he’s been mainly effective.

              • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

                I agree. I was just saying that I was upset with his performance…small sample size or not.

                He’s pitched well thus far in the playoffs…but we’re not allowed to say we’re happy with his current performance based on an even SMALLER sample size??

                That’s all I’m saying. He has talent. He’s a good pitcher. His performance (prior to this post season) was disappointing and rather upsetting…to me at least. You may have enjoyed it…I don’t know.

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  Yeah I’ve got no problems saying he’s been great in the postseason thus far with that even shorter sample size.

                  But he’s also been effective too before that as a Yankee. He’s had a couple bad games that make his stats seem like he’s a bad reliever. I’ve seen many people overreact to Marte and blantantly saying he sucks which makes no sense at all. Not saying you did that of coruse but I don’t know where most of this came from.

                  Or it could be that I am good at blocking out of the majority of 2008.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Small sample size or not…there is no way to feel happy or have no feeling at all towards those numbers…so the only other feelings to have for numbers like those are negative ones.

              INCORRECT. There is a third option.

              I’m not asking you to be happy about Marte’s Yankee career up until this postseason. What I am asking you to do, though, is to not be negative about it, because there was MOUNTAINS of evidence that indicated it was an statistical anomaly and an outlier.

              REAMS AND REAMS of evidence. So, no, I’m not asking you to say “I love Damaso Marte, he’s awesome!” I’m asking you to say “Damaso Marte has always been awesome but he sucks right now, but there’s no need to worry excessively or preemptively write his Yankee career off because the evidence says he will be better than this, for us, probably soon.

              Perspective >>>>>>>>>> Emotion

              Let me say that again.

              Perspective >>>>>>>>>> Emotion

              • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

                I agree. And I never did that. I simply said I was upset with his performance (while on the Yankees up until that point). I don’t ever recall throwing in the towel on him and saying he has absolutely zero talent at all.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Dude, you’re taking it a bit too far.

            For one thing, fans had every right to be disappointed in Marte’s performance for the first year or so of his tenure in pinstripes. It’s totally unfair to tell fans they can’t be disappointed when a player is acquired and performs poorly and has injury problems.

            And you couldn’t choose much more inflammatory and unfair language than to call people who were disappointed in Marte’s performance idiots.

            How about this… I, and I think I’ve earned at least a modicum of credibility around here as someone who’s not going to freak out about every little thing (or anything baseball-related, really), was disappointed with Marte’s performance from about the time he was acquired until somewhere around mid-late 2009, when he came back and started to put together some decent outings. I didn’t think he sucked, and I didn’t think Cashman was a moron for acquiring him, but the fact is that he was a relatively aging, injured reliever who hadn’t been able to perform up to expectations or to his track record, was disappointing at that point. I hoped he’d get healthy and regain his effective form, but there was certainly a bit of a worry that maybe he was aging, damaged goods who had seen his best days pass him by.

            You can’t tell me that’s unreasonable, or makes me an idiot.

            • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

              +1

              This is exactly what I was trying to say…

            • Nady Nation

              Nicely put. I’m in this boat as well.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Dude, you’re taking it a bit too far.

              THAT’S WHAT THE FUCK I DO!!!

              Heh. No, seriously, yeah, you’re right, “idiot” was a poor word choice. I was compressing my thoughts and obviously overcompressed and ended up painting with too broad a brush.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                That being said, I think what I want (ultimately) is for people to show a little more evidence of thought and perspective in their comments. I don’t mind as much the “wow, Marte looks awful” comment if it’s accompanied by some acknowledgement or evidence that you also know that Marte is good and probably won’t remain awful forever, or at least a shadow of an argument of why you think he will remain awful forever, and no, the “It doesn’t matter what he did in Chicago/Pittsburgh, THIS IS TEH YANKEES THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS!!!” line of thought is not said valid argument.

                I don’t see much of that from the Marte-bashers, or even from the Marte-reasonable-doubters, the group you feel I’m unfairly bashing (and I kinda was). If the Marte-reasonable-doubters would elucidate their doubts well, maybe I wouldn’t doubt their doubts. For the most part, they haven’t; they’ve just bashed with less obvious vitriol but without much well-reasoned substance.

                • http://kyivpost.img.com.ua/img/forall/a/355/5.jpg Rose

                  I mean I guess I see what you’re saying…but the argument was about being “upset with his performance ON THE YANKEES (up until this postseason).” I never said I was upset with his overall performance through out his career…so I didn’t think it were necessary nor relevant to bring up old statistics talking about how he actually had been effective before. Because, if anything, that makes you even more upset…lol

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Marte, during his tenure in pinstripes before the 2009 postseason, was, by and large, a not-young pitcher with injury problems and a limited amount of success on the field for the Yankees. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to look at that situation and worry that maybe the guy’s in the (possibly precipitous) decline stage of his career. You have a lot of faith in the guy and I never gave up on him either, but it was certainly reasonable to worry that his acquisition might have just been one of those moves that wouldn’t work out for the Yankees. Guys get hurt, they age, they decline, sometimes relatively unexpectedly. It happens.

                  I don’t think it was necessarily that much more rational to expect a complete return to form. In the same way doubters may be falling prey a bit to emotion, I think you are, too, just in the opposite sense. You were convinced, positive, pretty much without a doubt that Marte would come back. I’m not so sure that’s the most rational response to the situation, as it stood a few months ago, either.

                • Chris C.

                  Here’s what the board will look like if Marte pitches well tonight, then crappy tomorrow night:

                  Thursday morning:

                  “Man, where’s he been? I’ve been saying all year how great he is! Should have been our set-up man……no, our 4th starter! God, why don’t people listen to me? The series would be over by now if he pitched every inning of this series!

                  Friday morning:

                  “What the….why is this guy in the game? He should be out selling insurance! He is the worst pitcher the game has seen in 20 years…..an absolute joke. I just can’t watch Yankee games anymore knowing he’s even on the roster. That’s it…….I will not watch in 2010. Pathetic!”

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Heh, I hear you, cool.

                And yes, just to throw a bone to all you rabid assholes, the people who screamed about Marte being awful and Cashman being awful for acquiring him were being morons. It’s never rational to give up on a guy, after a couple of months on the DL, especially a guy with a long track record of effectiveness who you have signed for 3 years.

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Btw, every time I scan the page and see this…

                Dude, you’re taking it a bit too far.

                THAT’S WHAT THE FUCK I DO!!!

                … I laugh.

            • IowaYank

              Marte was a big part of CWS Series win too, no? Marte and the rest of the BP has been huge for the Yanks this postseason, I’m glad he and they returned to form in time

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                “Marte was a big part of CWS Series win too, no? “

                No, he really wasn’t, he didn’t pitch much. Then again, nobody really did other than the starters. Not saying he didn’t contribute or anything like that, but Marte’s pre-2009 postseason experience was less than substantial.

              • Chris C.

                “Marte was a big part of CWS Series win too, no?”

                ……and Chad Gaudin piched 4 innings of shutout relief in the 2006 postseason. What’s your point?

          • Chris C.

            “Smart people use knowledge and wisdom to refrain from overreacting.”

            Except if you’re Joe Girardi. Then you NEVER refrain from overreacting. Mariano Rivera may become the first closer ever to attempt a 6 inning save tonight.

    • Zack

      well his shoulder injury did come from the WBC, thats not around every year

      • Frank1979

        Yeah, I hear ya. It just sucks and its frustrating when one of your players gets injured in that tournament…and Marte is showing us now that he definitely is a key component of the Yankees bullpen. I’m glad the Yankees only had a few guys participate in the WBC.

        • Zack

          I hate it. Never want to see a Yankee pitcher in it

          • tim randle

            I hate it. Never want to see a Yankee pitcher in it

            +28

            (too soon?)

  • http://phabfour.blogspot.com/ Double-J

    Glad to see Marte has blossomed on the big stage. For awhile it seemed like he was always on the Yanks trade radar and so he got built up in our minds. I readily admit I was nervous to see him on the postseason roster but I’m damned glad he’s turned things around.

    • whozat

      He hasn’t blossomed on the big stage. He has finally gotten over his injury, re-discovered his rhythm, and returned to being the player he was before he got hurt. He got built up because he’s a good pitcher.

      • http://phabfour.blogspot.com/ Double-J

        I’d assume that the stage in NY, and in the World Series, no less, is bigger than that of Pittsburgh, in the basement of the league. Considering several people thought he was experiencing a combination of injury issues and confidence in the NY market, I still stand by my statement.

  • Tank Foster

    Don’t know how many others felt this way, but for me, I didn’t know he had great talent and was a highly effective reliever for many seasons. I’d heard of him, but never took the time to research his stats.

    As for being down on him early in the year, well, there’s nothing unusual about that. Doesn’t matter how good he was, when a ballplayer gets injured you never know what you’re left with. I think there was serious concern he had a really bad injury and wouldn’t be the “good” Marte any more.

    He is really making the Phillies look bad. And as Martha Stewart would say, that’s a good thing.

    • Zack

      So you knew nothing about his career (research time: 2 minutes) and this season you were saying he’s not a good pitcher?

    • whozat

      “Don’t know how many others felt this way, but for me, I didn’t know he had great talent and was a highly effective reliever for many seasons. I’d heard of him, but never took the time to research his stats.”

      I think it’d elevate the level of discourse here if people took Marte as an object lesson. I don’t think you were alone in thinking Marte was a bum without bothering to look him up, and I think people doing that leads to the same argument playing out over and over again in the comment threads here. Some people show up and say a guy sucks without anything more than a couple bad games to back it up, other people retort by citing the guy’s track record, and then there’s sarcasm from both sides until the RAB boys post a new thread.

      • Tank Foster

        Wait a minute. I didn’t say I thought he was a “bum.”

        I said I didn’t know how good he’d been in the past. I knew the Yankees were very high on him when they had acquired him along with Nady, I just didn’t know the particulars. I also knew he had been injured this year.

        Zack, he was a bad pitcher for the Yankees at the end of last season and the beginning of this season. Given the fact that he was injured, I was skeptical, since some guys don’t come back from injury. That’s all.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Don’t know how many others felt this way, but for me, I didn’t know he had great talent and was a highly effective reliever for many seasons. I’d heard of him, but never took the time to research his stats.

      I’m not asking you to go to school for 4 years studying Damaso Marte and write me a doctoral dissertation on him.

      I’m asking you to use Google and look a guy up. It takes like 90 seconds. You sit in front of the greatest knowledge accessing tool the world has ever known. Information is literally, LITERALLY, at your fingertips.

      Educate yourself.

      • Tank Foster

        For cripes sake you guys are ridiculous.

        I never said I had pronounced Marte a worthless bum journeyman.

        I said I didn’t know his past record. Is there some mandatory requirement that we know the career record of every player on the roster?

        I knew he was a guy the Yankees had in their organization once…I knew they got him with Nady…I knew they wanted him in the past.

        I didn’t know exactly how good he had been, that’s all.

      • Am I the only Kevin?

        I don’t think it was people failing to look up his stats so much as noting that his stuff looked pedestrian compared to his numbers. Many fans are more than capable of separating results from how a guy is throwing (e.g., Joba last night looked damn good despite the dinger).

        I personally was down on Marte because his fastball was not as advertised, giving the sinking feeling that we had acquired damaged goods and had another Pavano situation in the making. Despite the SSS, he had never put up a string of dominance that made you think it was just a run of the mill hiccup.

        The other night, however, he looked filthy – capable of being more than a loogy. This, is what everyone was expecting from a guy with his pre-NYY career numbers.

  • jmas23

    After Greame Lloyd’s resurgance during the 1996 postseason, I guess nothing should be a surprise, especially with a lefty specialist. And needless to say, Marte has a much better track record than Lloyd did up to that point in his career.

  • mryankee

    Now I like Damaso Marte-he just might be useful next year out of the bullpen.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Know you know. And knowing is half the battle.

      Sincerely,
      G.I. Joe

  • larryf

    Raise your kids to be left-handed relievers. Is Jesse Orosco still pitching? Seriously, a good/great lefty out of the pen with a wicked delivery to lefties is worth rehabbing and waiting for….

    • Zack

      and if he ends up 6’3 300 then make sure you teach him how to be a long-snapper, stay in the NFL for 12 years

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        James Dearth FTW!

  • mryankee

    Wait I am soory with all due respect to Mr Marte-Are we hitting Molina eight tonight and with Burnett batting nintha against LEE? I suddenly dont feel as secure.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I suddenly dont feel as secure.

      mryankee:

      1) Think about all the times this year you haven’t felt secure.
      2) Think about how frequently your insecurities were proven hollow while the team marauded and rampaged, even despite your doubts.
      3) Don’t be insecure. We got this.

      • larryf

        and if AJ pitches well-Molina throws out/picks off a runner and Jorge pinch hits clutch in the late innings etc…it has all happened before. I just want Gardner over Hairston in CF

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Against the lefty Cliff Lee? I’ll take Hairston over Gardner.

  • charlespoet

    Funny how last night Lidge chose to use his second best pitch the fastball against Damon and then ARod.

    Remeniscent of 96′ when Wohlers chose to use his second best pitch, a slider, against Jim Leyritz.

    Result for both favored the Yankees. Lesson learned, get beat with your best stuff.

    • jsbrendog

      he didnt throw it because it dives down and is consistently in the dirt and gettign beat without even getting beat and beating yourself with a wild pitch is much worse than losing on your second best pitch.

      johnny damon made that because he stole third too. if he doesnt then lidge probably sticks with the breaking stuff and doesnt get flustered and hit tex and strikes out a struggling tex. it is obv debatable but he didnt just go, hmm ill throw my lesser stuff now.

      there are these things called situations that effect he game. you cannot look at anything in a vacuum because circumstances and situations are always different in life

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Who’s to say charlespoet was looking at things in a vacuum and not considering context?

        If Brad Lidge can’t throw his slider with a runner on third, and his other pitches are not plus-pitches and play down a bit when not paired with the slider for juxtaposition, then maybe he shouldn’t be in the game. If you have one pitch you can rely on, either throw that pitch or get off the mound (obviously Manuel’s call, not Lidge’s).

        If I’m in Charlie Manuel’s shoes, and I absolutely know that Brad Lidge will not throw sliders with Damon on third, I am yanking Brad Lidge from that game before he can face Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez. And if I’m Brad Lidge, I’m throwing the slider until I’m taken out of the game. In my opinion, that’s a strategic breakdown on their part. As long as Lidge is on the mound with those batters coming up, he’s gotta be throwing his best pitch (his only weapon, really), I don’t care if there’s a runner on third.

        (I totally get your point and agree with you, Lidge’s downfall was probably mostly caused by having Damon on third and being forced to throw fastballs. But I think you can still make the argument that he should have been throwing his best pitch and shouldn’t have gotten beaten with his inferior pitches. I think it’s on Manuel, not Lidge. Lidge has no business being on the mound in any game/situation if he can’t throw his slider. Go down throwing your best pitch(es), don’t lose a World Series game throwing your inferior stuff.)

  • larryf

    At least we are getting something out of our injured ex-Pirates. Marte pitched well against the Yanks in inter-league play a few years back. I think he will be a yankee longer than Nady…. Do we want to get McCutcheon next???

    • Mike bk

      they wont trade him for at least a couple years, he is still cheap now.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        They probably won’t trade him period. McCutchen is likely the best player Pittsburgh has had since Bonds.

        They’re probably going to build around him, not move him.

        • tim randle

          pshaw…its the pirates…It’s what they do!

  • Bo

    While Marte has been good since the ALDS the contract he was given was terrible given the market especially the lefty reliever market. He wouldnt have sniffed 3 yrs.

    • Zack

      Well technically he was a lefty closer in FA, not just a set up arm like Beiml or whoever else was out there.