Nov
02

World Series Game Five Spillover Thread II

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The Yankees will bring the tying run to the plate in this game.

Categories : Game Threads, Playoffs

310 Comments

  1. Justin says:

    Let’s hope so, Mike.

  2. DFD says:

    it’ll be a battle, i hope so

  3. Rose says:

    Looks like Gaudin would have been a better choice after all LOL

  4. pat says:

    At least we get Posada’s bat…

  5. chriskeo says:

    Mike, I was really hoping that wouldn’t be necessary in the World Series.

  6. Jim says:

    People: This does NOT settle the AJ on short rest debate. Gaudin could have done the same thing. What this settles is what we already knew, AJ has days where he just doesn’t have it. This was one of those days.

    It’s 5-1. Cliff Lee is not dominating right now. We WILL score more than 1 run tonight, and our pen is fully capable of keeping us in this. Have some fucking faith.

    • DFD says:

      agreed, it’s far from over

    • Rose says:

      Tex and Cano need to start hitting first

    • Frank Fernandez says:

      So it’s reasonable to expect he would have crapped the bed like this at home on five days rest?

      (It’s settled.)

      • Jim says:

        It’s reasonable to expect that he’s had horrible starts on full rest before, and was fully capable of shitting the bed on any amount of rest.

        I seriously hope you were being sarcastic or communicating poorly and agreeing with me somehow.

        • Frank Fernandez says:

          Um, no. You’re seriously wrong.

          • Jim says:

            Um. I’m done with you. Look at his fucking season before you spout nonsense.

            April 25th on full rest: 5 innings 8 runs
            June 9th on full rest: 2.2 innings 5 runs
            August 1st on FULL REST: 4.2 innings 7 runs

            AUGUST 22nd on FULL REST: 5 innings 9 runs

            What the hell are you talking about. Use fucking google.

          • Actually, no, he’s seriously right.

            AJ is inconsistent. It’s his crutch. He’s prone to laying an egg at any time. Nothing in this game proved that he was bad due to fatigue. He was just bad.

            Correlation does not imply causation.

          • dalelama says:

            But now Andy and CC have to go on three days rest…if Gaudin did no worse than Burnett we would have been better off pitching Gaudin.

        • andrew says:

          This goes back to the Burnett to Molina thing. Is Burnett capable of throwing a bad start to Molina and a good start to Posada? Yes. But does it seem likely that Molina increases the chance of Burnett throwing a good game? Yes.

          Could Gaudin have shit the bed? Yea. Could Burnett have shit the bed on full rest? Yea. But is it possible that pitching on short rest increased the chance of him shitting the bed? Yea.

          • Jim says:

            Yes. it’s POSSIBLE. but because of a huge sample of sporadically horrible, unpredictable starts, it’s just as likely that this was one of those starts. By no means does it “prove” anything.

            • andrew says:

              But if over a huge sample of starts, there was no difference between starting on 3 days rest and starting on 4 days rest, why wouldn’t everyone be starting their best 3 guys in the postseason on 3 days rest every time?

              • Jim says:

                Look. I didn’t say its not possible. I said nothing, by any means, was proven. You can’t prove a negative.

                Are you saying that it was 100% because it was on 3 days rest? No, you’re not. so basically, since neither of us can prove anything, I’m going with the huge history of inconsistency.

  7. Jay says:

    Oh well. There’s still time if they can limit the damage.

  8. This performance by AJ was regrettable, but Girardi still absolutely made the right call in giving him the start on short rest.

    The decision was sound, the results were simply subpar.

  9. Russell NY says:

    I never want to see Molina catch Burnett again. That should no longer be a discussion.

  10. Mike Axisa says:

    At least Posada will be in now.

  11. Joker, The says:

    This sucks. Fuck you AJ. And now Andy has to go on short rest too….ugh fuck.

    • pat says:

      game’s over u should probably leave.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Game’s not over.

        Phillies likely score another run here. fine.

        wiht posada in the game now and Lee not looking his sharpest , we can still make up this deficit?

        i realize you were kidding with Joker man, but i just had to type this out to feel better.

  12. TheLastClown says:

    Damn everybody. It’s the third. They can score 5 runs. They scored 7 last night.

    Lee has thrown 50 pitches, hasn’t looked too sharp.

    Phillies’ bullpen is eminently hittable.

    This is far from over. Fuck Wednesday. Yanks in…right now.

  13. Bobtaco says:

    AJ really shit the bed though… not unexpected.

    I worried about Andy on three days rest.

    • Pasqua says:

      Please don’t start. If they lose this game, there’s gonna be, like, 48 hours of people saying that. Let’s just watch baseball.

  14. Dela G says:

    wow that really sucked

  15. Pasqua says:

    On the brightside: AJ’s available out of the ‘pen back in NY! Huzzah!

  16. Obnoticus says:

    6 more innings to bring home the bacon

  17. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    If we lose this game no doubt all of the questions will be about how stupid Girardi is for putting AJ out on three-days rest.

    It was the right move, even though it didn’t work out. AJ looked great in Game 2, has a history of success on three days rest, and the alternative is terrible against lefties and hasn’t pitched in a month.

    Just because something doesn’t work out doesn’t mean it was the wrong decision.

    • Pasqua says:

      Exactly. And, still, you give me a series lead with Pettitte and CC, in NY no less, I’ll take it.

      But, I suppose we should see what unfolds tonight.

  18. ansky says:

    Damn, thats 2 consecutive starts where AJ cant close out the clinching game.

  19. Bob C says:

    really bad performance there by AJ… was he just gased?

  20. Brandon says:

    so safe to say the bad aj showed up tonight?

  21. D M says:

    Brilliant. Now pettitte on 3 days against a team with momentum

  22. Mike bk says:

    this zone is ridiculous.

  23. ShuutoHeat says:

    Sad Lidge appearance later tonight? Highly probable.

  24. How was that not a strike?

  25. X says:

    Now we have to hear Francesa tomorrow

  26. Hova says:

    What’s the best way for Joe to manage this BP tonight? Limit pitches and innings to make sure they’re all available for a possible game 6 Wednesday?

    I’m just concerned about not having a fresh bullpen if Andy blows up in a potential game 6.

  27. Stadium Garlic Fries says:

    We are still in this game folks and lead series 3-1..calm down..Burnett imploding has nothing to do with 3 days rest,.

    • pete says:

      maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. but gaudin’s exceptionally forseeable implosion would have had everything to do with his general mediocrity and not having started in over a month.

  28. pete says:

    PANNICCC!!!! THE YANKEES ARE NO LONGER CAPABLE OF WINNING THE WORLD SERIES!!!11ONEEEE!!!

    • Doug says:

      Texting my physical address

      The side gate by the pool is unlocked and the dogs are chained up in the backyard

      Oh god I’m so sorry

  29. Randy A. says:

    That wasnt a strike?

  30. cjc says:

    I said earlier to my friends up 3-1 I would have never thrown AJ short free game IMO have him locked an loaded for 6. However I never thought he would be this bad at all I figured 5 or 6 innings 4 runs. Hopefully the pen keeps it close enough for us to peck away

    • Brandon says:

      how do you know he wouldnt do this in game 6? just because he “rested” an extra day doesnt mean he’s “locked and loaded”

      never give a “freebie”

      and as everyone else is saying…3rd inning, lets see what happens

    • Why would you put Gaudin out there, though? Why not put the best pitcher possible out there?

    • pete says:

      yeah true, there would not have been any significant chance of burnett sucking on full rest, since he isn’t the type of pitcher who just randomly sucks sometimes.

  31. YankeeScribe says:

    Where’s the strike zone? The umps want the Phillies to win.

  32. DFD says:

    fox needs a stat for pitchers starting on short rest when their opponent has pancakes for breakfast, they conveniently have a stat for everything else

  33. Jeff Nelson says:

    How many innings can Robertson give the Yanks?

  34. Arman Tamzarian says:

    Mariano Rivera starts tommorrow, Mario will pitch a perfect game, then ascend to the Heaven’s while Ride the Lightning blares from the speakers

  35. claybeez says:

    Good start K-Rob. Keep it up. Keep it close. Philly fans will be crying when the O starts to roll.

  36. Riddering says:

    Am I surprised that people are giving up already even after last night’s game?

    Well, yeah, I kind of am.

  37. pat says:

    If you’re bitching about game 6 you should just fucking leave. You’re a poussy and an amateur and we have no patience for your garbage.

  38. Holy shit, people.

    JUST BECAUSE BURNETT DID NOT PITCH WELL TONIGHT DOES NOT MEAN PETTITTE WILL PITCH POORLY IF THERE IS A GAME SIX!

    The two have nothing to do with each other. At all.

  39. Salty Buggah says:

    Well, Molina again didn’t pitch well.

  40. Jay says:

    I would love to see a double play here.

  41. D M says:

    The ump is awful. It’s a total squeeze

  42. ShuutoHeat says:

    AJ beating himself up on the inside, it’s tough seeing him like that.

  43. Bobtaco says:

    Think Girardi should have had a faster hook tonight?

  44. Jay says:

    It really sucks when a guy hits a cheap grounder like that and it scores a run.

  45. JoeFromBayRidge says:

    When will people realize that nothing factors into Burnett’s starts except that he flips a coin before a start. Head = Good AJ. Tails = Bad AJ. He could be on 2 days rest, 8 days rest, starting consecutive games of a day night double header. Just the coin toss.

    • Alex S says:

      where do you live in bay ridge? i’m right near owls head park

    • pete says:

      thank you. there isn’t always a reason why burnett sucks sometimes, or why anything happens in baseball. Personally, I’m pretty sure AJ was just pissed that he had to miss How I Met Your Mother tonight, and couldn’t get over it.

    • JJhammer31 says:

      that’s absolutely true. Last week, this guy gave up four runs before recording an out. He’s electrifying when he’s on, but he often doesn’t have it. Hence, the career 4+ era. Better he did this tonight than have gaudin go out there and get killed and then see AJ cough it up in a game 6. Worse case scenario, we need to win one out of two in the stadium against Pedro and Hamels. I like those odds.

  46. natalMike says:

    If this game gets out of reach, then it’s time for the drilling. A -Rod deserves payback. Utley’s my pick.

  47. Klemy says:

    Yeah, this zone is as bad as last night, only the opposite direction.

  48. Reggie C. says:

    We need extra base hits to get back in this game. We’re gonna need contributions from Cano and Gardner to get back in this game.

  49. Mike Axisa says:

    C’mon D-Rob, you gotta get the pitcher.

  50. Rose says:

    It’s been a pattern of his. The game after that nasty one in Tampa Bay he got slaughtered by the White Sox…it’s just what he does.

  51. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Oh noes Girardi is teh idiot for brining in K-Rob1

  52. Brazilian Yankee says:

    Somebody please answer how can a right move not work out? A right move is the one that works out. The wrong one doesn’t work. Starting AJ tonight was the wrong move cause it didn’t work out. You can applaud Girardi for taking the risk, but it doesn’t make the move right.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      You are constructing your lineup for the World Series. Someone starts Jose Molina over Jorge Posada. So Jose Molina goes 4 for 4 with 2 doubles, a HR and a single. Does starting him make it right? No.

      Or flip this. You want your best lineup out there. Jorge goes 0-5 and strands 5 runners. It didn’t work out. So sicne it didn’t work out it’s the wrong move and since it’s wrong Jose Molina should be brought in?

      Your logic sucks.

    • toad says:

      Ever heard of probabilities? Of course a right move can fail.

      Suppose I offer you 2-1 on a coin flip. The right move is to take it, obviously, but you still might lose.

    • Zack says:

      Batting Jeter leadoff and playing SS is the right move, if he goes 0-4 and has 2 errors, was starting Jeter in Game 5 of the WS the WRONG move?

    • pete says:

      this sounds sarcastic, but knowing you, it isn’t. Since the move was made BEFORE the result was known, the result has NOTHING to do with the rightness of the move. All that factors into whether or not a decision was correct is the evidence available pre-decision. Which said that AJ is a good pitcher, who has pitched on 3 days rest before and done well, and Chad Gaudin is a mediocre pitcher who hasn’t started a game in a month and sucks against lefties. the result of AJ’s start tells us that AJ is inconsistent. Which we already knew.

  53. JJhammer31 says:

    burnett has to go into the locker room. He’s fucking depressing me.

  54. Jose says:

    Mike, you said that same thing in Game 1 of the World Series. They never brought the tying run to the plate. I’m hoping you’re right this time.

  55. cr1 says:

    The question of whether Molina can keep Babycakes from imploding had already been asked and answered in previous games, so nothing new learned there.

    Luckily Molina won’t start another game as a Yankee and we’ll never have to see another travesty just like this one again. Babycakes will pitch to whoever the starting catcher is on his day, just like any other grownup.

    Probably too late to matter, though, that the bottom third of the lineup just got less embarrassing.

  56. D M says:

    The pitcher?

  57. Klemy says:

    To tire Lee out, we should throw to first 25 times in a row.

  58. Evil Empire says:

    Oh well, Bad AJ days happens. All the people I give a shit about seem to agree that Girardi made the right decision so that’s all good. This team is not out of this game, those who got the faith know that shit.

  59. Klemy says:

    WHat the fuck was wrong with that pitch!

  60. Hova says:

    Good news is Posada will be entering the game shortly.

  61. ansky says:

    This strike zone fucking BLOWS!!!

  62. The 0-1 pitch was more of a strike than the 1-1 pitch! This umpire is A W F U L .

  63. TJ says:

    Man now McCarver and Buck have more Lee jerk-off material

    One more, K-Rob!

    • Klemy says:

      In their trailers with Barry White playing on the CD player, thumbing through the Philly media guide…

  64. Mike Pop says:

    Only down 5 runs. Posada is going to come in, the chances don’t look too high but it ain’t over.

  65. D M says:

    Someone has to hit utley. Paging bruney…..

  66. Reggie C. says:

    Burnett’s ridiculous attachment to Molina lessens him.

    • JMK aka The Overshare says:

      He has none. You are misinformed. Do some reading.

    • Mike Pop says:

      This statement is ridiculous.

      All Girardi.

    • MikeD says:

      Well, Molina almost certainly has caught AJ for the last time. I’m sure the Yankees will part ways with Molina and have Cervilli take over as the back-up catcher next season, and save a couple million in the process.

      I think there’s little evidence that AJ pitches better to Molina than Posada. It’s basically a question of timing. Molina happened to catch AJ on more days when his game was on. Posada caught some great games with AJ, but Molina got more of them.

  67. Camilo Gerardo - your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense says:

    safe to assume AJ won’t take home WSMVP?

  68. Bobtaco says:

    I don’t know how you could have gone to Gaudin since he hasn’t pitched in almost a month. The Yankees didn’t really have a choice…

  69. MikeD says:

    It’s just a flesh wound.

  70. Michael Kay says:

    I can’t believe Victorino is on deck despite a career threatening hand injury….what a heroic performance.

  71. pat says:

    Love k-Rob and his balls of steel.

  72. Arman Tamzarian says:

    Alright, here we go!!!

  73. Rose says:

    Burnett still get MVP if we win today? LOL

  74. Salty Buggah says:

    Looky there, Rollins sucks without the help of an umpire.

  75. Riddering says:

    That was a nice job by D-Rob to get out while only giving up the run at third.

  76. Reggie C. says:

    Bullpen mission: HOLD THEM TO SIX RUNS.

    We can get back in this game. I know we can.

  77. Dave G says:

    We start the climb back right now.

  78. ansky says:

    Damn I’d be freaking pissed about this 5 run deficit….If I wasnt a YANKEES fan!!! C’mon boys lets go get this shit!!!

  79. Alex S says:

    maybe AJ can work out of the pen if theres a game on wed?

  80. stuart says:

    aj personal catcher can’t pitch on the road came up miniscule tonight.

    the ultimate tease burnett what a joke…

    aj is a clown, he will break your heart every time.. yea he has pitched a few very good games, and yep he has sucked in 2 in the playoffs…

    that is why he is the ultimate cement head tease…..

    • TheLastClown says:

      If he’s pitched a few very good games, how can he break our heart all the…nevermind.

    • Obnoticus says:

      Should we play you some Dashboard Confessional while your cry yourself to sleep? We have a comeback game to watch.

  81. Phil "Bud" Selig says:

    The recession has shrunk the strike zone too.

  82. Hold ‘em and fight back.

    If anyone can come back from this deficit, it’s the Yanks.

  83. Rose says:

    When I looked up and saw 47 pitches – 24 balls, 23 strikes…I just couldn’t believe it…that’s pretty god awful

  84. Tom Zig says:

    All this game means is that the parade will be on Friday…which works out better anyways

  85. Helix C says:

    Victorino is tough.

  86. Salty Buggah says:

    It’s not fuckin broken, stop talking about his toughness.

  87. ShuutoHeat says:

    If it’s not broken and you’re fine, please stop wincing at every little fucking movement you fucking ass clown.

  88. DreDog says:

    Let’s get to Cliff Lee. That bullpen is scared, except for Mister Spitball.

  89. danny says:

    now the dilema. do i shut off the tv and do my paper thats due tomorrow or do i try to multitask and end up doing the paper late at night after a yankee lose?

    fuck the paper, i believe in yankee magic! GO YANKEES!

  90. kunaldo says:

    molina has to be out now, right? I mean, Posada HAS to pinch hit, no?

  91. Pasqua says:

    Odds that Buck / McCarver will ominously remind the audience that the Yanks have no catchers left on the bench when Posada enters?

  92. Reggie C. says:

    If pitchers’ AB comes up this inning , who pinch hits? Mats? hairston? save mats for later?

  93. Hugh Jassman says:

    Well, I think a lot of us figured this game would be a loss with Clifford starting. I do kind of wish we could have AJ at home on full rest in game 6 now, and Andy on full rest with CC on short rest in a game 7. Now everyone is burned.

  94. Salty Buggah says:

    Man, Lee is getting lucky tonight. So many hard hit outs.

  95. Reggie C. says:

    Damn.

    Swisher made good contact.

  96. Third well struck ball right at someone.

  97. Pasqua says:

    Three runs will scare the shit out of the Phillies. Let’s do that, shall we?

  98. Michael Kay says:

    how come Girardi is the only manager that has to do these terrible in game interviews?

  99. Mike Axisa says:

    Every time the Phillies play, we’re going to hear about Shane Victorino’s fingers. It’ll be like Jon Lester and cancer.

  100. pat says:

    Haahaha I love how people can come here and definitively say that starting a career journeyman with shitty platoon splits on thirty something days rest was indisputably the better choice over the guy who went 7 ip 1 er 4 days ago.

    Unbelievable.

    • Michael Kay says:

      I heard Francesa saying that last night, and I guess I saw the point that Burnett would be available on full rest…but even with tonight’s results I disagree with him because you want Andy & Sabathia for 6 & 7 no matter what, and AJ will be available out of the pen if need be.

  101. Reggie C. says:

    That sucks Cano. You just let a good one go by.

  102. Okay, the 2-1 pitch was definitely a strike, but it was called a ball earlier.

  103. Girardi out to the mound says:

    Any consideration for screwing the OF defense and having Matsui pinch hit for Gardner

  104. YankeeScribe says:

    Inconsistent strike zone

  105. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Why do they interview the assorted coaches? What are they going to say? “No, that guy is dogshit. In fact, we just didn’t happen to have anyone else who could even reach home plate besides him, so…yeah.”

  106. PsiFighter37 says:

    Goddammit Robbie, act like you fucking care. Just swinging the bat like it doesn’t mean a thing.

    • Doug says:

      You believe in the narrative; you fail.

      • trueblue says:

        This is a results game. His results have been shit.

      • PsiFighter37 says:

        No, I just want to see some passion. He just goes up there, grounds out, runs back to the dugout, ho-hum. I hear about Swisher taking extra BP when he’s in a rut, and at least he’s doing better now. Cano has just been doing terribly…one of his hits in the series was a pop fly to no man’s land.

        Just want to see some passion. Not seeing it from Robbie right now.

    • Jim says:

      He hit it hard. He’s hit the ball hard twice. Sometimes they don’t find holes. It happens.

  107. Arman Tamzarian says:

    Right or wrong, there seems to be an excessive amount of bitching about the strike zone from the players

  108. JMK aka The Overshare says:

    Cue the Robbie is lazy chatter.

  109. Mike Nitabach says:

    I really wish these fucks would shut the fuck up about Demuth’s fucking strike zone already.

  110. Pasqua says:

    You know, blaming AJ Burnett’s performance on 3 days rest is like blaming the damage of a Category 5 hurricane on the fact that it hit Florida on a Tuesday. Shit’s gonna do damage at any given moment, and so it is with AJ.

  111. crapula says:

    So to feel better, we yell at each other. Nice.

  112. trueblue says:

    What a fucking joke.

  113. Reggie C. says:

    Cano’s current futility is maddening.

    He’s gotta hit tonight in order to get back in this game.

  114. MikeD says:

    It’s only five runs if we can hold it here. Need the bullpen to hold the line, but we also can’t burn out the pen.

  115. I’m still waiting for an explanation from someone. How does Burnett’s performance tonight hold any predictive value for Pettitte’s possible Wednesday performance?

  116. Stadium Garlic Fries says:

    If game gets further out of hand, does Joe bench Cano and put Pena to send a message? he looks so lost and not interested

  117. Mike Axisa says:

    Right in on Victorino’s hands, D-Rob.

  118. Matt M. says:

    this ump might be worse tonight with that zone

  119. Doug says:

    Make Victorino swing!

  120. Doug says:

    There you go. He can’t generate any power on contact.

  121. ansky says:

    What I cant understand about people criticizing the Burnett move is that everyone who wanted Gaudin to start was reserved to a Yankee loss. So “if” the Yanks lose tonight dont you get the same result you expected? All this does is change the possible game 7 starter. I’m sorry I love Andy but there’s no one I’d rather have starting a game 7 than CC. Because even when he struggles we still WIN.

  122. TJ says:

    Why are they still talking about it if there’s no break in Victorino’s hand?

  123. pat says:

    Hahah Melk sippin hot chocolate.

  124. Doug says:

    D-Rob solves Utley. Wow.

  125. JJhammer31 says:

    who remembers game 4 in 1996. kevin brown gives up 6 in the first two innings. Leyritz sends a Wohlers slider deep into the night and the Yanks win it in extra innings. Shit, we’re only down 5.

  126. Michael Kay says:

    Joe Buck don’t let these alleged “x-rays” showing no break fool you. What do THEY know? Right? You saw Shane’s face on that swing, you know the truth. And you also must know that we don’t have the power to fight this battle, but you do Joe Buck, you do. You’re a big famous TV guy with guts & a microphone and a national audience. LEAD US JOE! FOR THE HAWAIIAN!

  127. So do you think they’ll give D-Rob another inning?

  128. JJhammer31 says:

    I think we’re looking at the closer of our future. (hopefully, that future doesn’t start until 2015)

  129. charlespoet says:

    Still early but celebrating in the Boogie Down is not a bad option. Yanks will come back.

  130. Vinny the Bull says:

    K-Rob is the real deal.

  131. Camilo Gerardo - your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense says:

    i still don’t understand how AJ couldn’t get the fastball down. whatevs.. let’s go Yankees!!!!!!!!1

  132. Riddering says:

    D-Rob is the fucking man.

  133. Obnoticus says:

    <3 K-Rob