Dec
07

A Plan C at DH

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Carlos DelgadoOf the three major holes the Yankees have to fill this offseason, designated hitter is probably the least important. I think everyone’s preference is to bring Hideki Matsui back on a one year deal, and we’ve already discussed Nick Johnson as a backup plan. However, every good backup plan needs a backup backup plan.

One such backup backup plan could be former Toronto great Carlos Delgado. After spending the last four years stuck in Queens, Delgado hits the free agent market for just the second time in his career (the first time he cashed in on a four year, $52M deal from the Marlins of all teams). However, the former AL MVP runner-up missed all but a month of the 2009 season with an inpingement in his hip, which is the exact same thing that kept A-Rod on the shelf to start the season. Delgado went ahead and had the full blown surgery to repair the condition rather than the hybrid procedure the Yanks’ third baseman had. It was Delgado’s first trip to the DL in four years, a testament to his durability. A-Rod and Chase Utley came back from similar procedures like champs, however those guys are world class athletes and several years younger than Delgado.

Obviously, there’s a tremendous health risk in signing Delgado. He’s expected to join a Puerto Rican League winter ball team soon, which will give him a chance to showcase his surgically repaired hip. The risk comes with a potential great reward however, as Delgado remains one of the game’s best sluggers despite being 37-years-old.

Prior to the hip injury (SSS, yes), Delgado was hitting .298-.393-.521 this year (no doubt fueled by a .343 BABIP), and that includes .280-.393-.600 in 61 plate appearances at spacious CitiField (.314 BABIP). Over the last three seasons, Delgado’s been a .267-.347-.488 hitter, though that includes a .229-.306-.396 first half in 2008 before Ross Ohlendorf was nice enough to help get him back on track.  Delgado played in the AL for a long time, and he’s done the DH thing before, so there’s certainly some familiarity. Plus, I learned from watching Yankees on Deck that he’s great friends with Jorge Posada, another feature in the familiarity cap. Oh yeah, I went there.

Any team that signs Carlos Delgado shouldn’t expect the .290-.400-.580 monster he was for most of his career, instead he’s probably a .260-.380-.470 guy these days, which really isn’t that far off from what Hideki Matsui was in 2009. His power remains elite (sitting around a .220 IsoP the last few years), and it’ll probably get a bump up improve with a move to the New Yankee Stadium. Of course, the health of his hip is the controlling condition. If he’s not 100% a-okay, then forget it. Oh, and nothing more than a one year deal too.

Also, just because his name will come up, the soon-to-be non-tendered Jack Cust could also be an option. However the only two departments in which he provides value – on-base ability and power – have been in decline during the past three years. Is OBP has dropped from .408 in 2007 to .375 in 2008 to .356 in 2009, while his SLG has gone from .504 to .476 to .417. If more advanced stats are what you crave, his IsoD has gone from .152 to .144 to .116 in that time while his IsoP has dropped from .248 to .245 to .177. After three full years in the league, the book may be out Cust, and he doesn’t appear to have adjusted back yet.

I’m not saying Cust is a non-option at DH, but he should only be a “break glass in case of emergency” option. World Series MVP Hideki Matsui remains the most obvious and best choice to fill the DH spot going into 2010, however there are no shortage of affordable options.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • Yank Man

    Matsui please.

    • All Praise Be To Mo

      Adam Dunn please….

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    Sorry but our plan B is Matsui. Plan A is Damon. Plan C might be somebody like Nick Johnson. I would be you see Adam Dunn as our DH before you see the man that will not stand.

    And utter disgust if we end up with Cust. No way that really happens. No way in hell.

  • Mike RI

    Yeah. im going to pass on Del-old-o . no thanks

  • ABS

    Don’t rule out Cust so quickly – he reminds me very much of his old teammate, Nick Swisher. Swisher was in decline as well, and the Yanks bought low, and look how that turned out. Now I know they are different (age, defensive ability, etc), but they are both former moneyball first rounders who need a change of scenary.

    Here is the case for Cust – local guy, with a swing tailor made for Yankee stadium, would cost a ton less than any other option, and is capable, especially in the Yankee lineup (as opposed to the As lineup where he was their 4 hitter with no protection) with that short pourch in right, of 30+ HRs and an OBP approaching .400. Definately worth the risk, especially when they want to use the DH to rest their veterans a lot. Low cost, and at worst a power threat of the bench, with the upside of another Nick Swisher reclamation success.

    • Zack

      But it’s more fun to just focus on AVG/K/RBI/R

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

      “Here is the case for Cust – local guy”

      I was out right there. If being a local guy is the top reason, the first thing that comes to your mind it is a bad idea.

      Cust is roider who has bad conditioning. Horrible ball player, all around bad idea. We are not the Royals. We will get a top tier DH not a scrub like Cust.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Cust is roider

        We don’t care. Can he produce? That’s all that matters. If he can, the PED’s he was linked to doesn’t matter a whit, just like Delgado’s anthem protest also does not matter a whit.

        —————-

        We’re not recruiting for the Boy Scouts here…

        /SpiesLikeUs’d

        • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

          Well for one outside of a moral reason it actually does matter. He is in poor shape and his previous numbers are of chemical creation. Without use of those chemicals the numbers will slide of fall off a cliff.

          Cust is a beer league softball player with a chemist friend. We are the Yankees, WORLD CHAMPION Yankees, no way we go into 2010 with Jack Cust as our DH. Not going to happen.

          “just like Delgado’s anthem protest also does not matter a whit.”

          He will not be a Yankee. He could not even take the pressure of not standing while playing for the Mets. This guy is also not going to be the Yankees DH.

          Juan Gone will be our DH before these guys will.

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            He could not even take the pressure of not standing while playing for the Mets.

            Which is why, when he healthy, he was an above-average offensive player for the Mets in a hitter’s ballpark. Makes perfect sense.

            Anyway, the Mets haven’t played God Bless America in the 7th inning in years. This whole standing less is far less of an issue that you people are making it out to be.

            • rbizzler

              Last time I checked freedom of speech is still alive and well here. Unlike other professional athletes who have decided against making political/social statements(ahem, Mr. Jordan), Carlos is certainly entitled to express his opinion.

              I don’t see why fans would have any issue with the guy at all as long as he rakes.

              /invites irrational responses

              • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

                “I don’t see why fans would have any issue with the guy at all as long as he rakes.”

                because:

                “Last time I checked freedom of speech is still alive and well here.”

                See as people we have the right to have a problem with it, and vocalize it. Not to mention the money that the fans pay made him a millionaire and the military that he has a problem with has protected this country so he can live here and make his millions.

                If you want to protest do it on your own time, not at work.

                With all that said I would have more respect for him if he continued not to stand because at least it would mean that it actually meant something to him, obviously it did not mean much or he is a coward.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  It doesn’t mean he’s a coward.

                  He did his protest not to gain attention, just as a personal thing. People found out about it, asked him about it, and he explained. He continued to do it because his teams (the Blue Jays and Marlins) didn’t ask him to stop, they had no problem with it.

                  When he joined the Mets, his new team had a problem with it and asked him to stop, for team reasons. He agreed.

                  Tell me what part of that is “cowardice”.

                • Zack

                  “If you want to protest do it on your own time, not at work.”
                  So one side is allowed to present their beliefs during ‘work’ by playing music, but he’s not allowed to present his belief?

                • rbizzler

                  A brief response to your sad rant is that it is possible to be pro-soldier but against the war(s).

                  You are right in that you, as a fan, have the right to disagree with his opinion and vocalize that.

                  I have respect for him for having an informed and intelligent opinion, rather than cowering in the corner when confronted with a difficult situation like many other pro athletes/people do.

                • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

                  TSJC

                  “He did his protest not to gain attention, just as a personal thing.”

                  BS. A protest IS to gain attention.

                  ____________________________________________

                  Zack

                  “So one side is allowed to present their beliefs during ‘work’ by playing music, but he’s not allowed to present his belief?”

                  See they own the place. That is their choice to play whatever music they want. If you do not like the way it is work elsewhere. Nobody asked the man to salute anybody or take a blood oath or change religions.

                • Zack

                  “If you do not like the way it is work elsewhere.”
                  Love that mentality: If you disagree with us then get the fuck out.

          • rbizzler

            Hyperbole much?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            He is in poor shape and his previous numbers are of chemical creation. Without use of those chemicals the numbers will slide of fall off a cliff.

            He’s almost assuredly already off those chemicals, and his numbers already have taken a dip, but are still good numbers and productive.

            He could not even take the pressure of not standing while playing for the Mets.

            The Mets asked him to stand, and he acquiesced so as not to create a locker-room controversy. It had nothing to do with “pressure”. He didn’t end his protest because of pressure, he ended it because his media-phobic team made it a condition of his acquisition, because they’re heavy handed and poorly run.

            • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

              “He’s almost assuredly already off those chemicals, and his numbers already have taken a dip, but are still good numbers and productive.”

              RIGHT…. Sure he is. If you think anybody is off HGH right now, you are buggin. No blood testing. No HGH test. He maybe be off the cocktail that he was probably taking previously but whatever is not being tested for now, these guys are on.

              “The Mets asked him to stand, and he acquiesced so as not to create a locker-room controversy. It had nothing to do with “pressure”. He didn’t end his protest because of pressure, he ended it because his media-phobic team made it a condition of his acquisition, because they’re heavy handed and poorly run.”

              So he backed down. If it was a strong belief, he was so against it why would you change that belief? I get it, its that whole convenient protesting that is in fashion.

              • Mattingly’s Love Child

                I’m sure you’ve never compromised a belief or position for the sake of employment then?

                • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

                  Nope. I had to wear a tie at one job I had, so I started my own company and have only worn a tie at funerals and weddings since. But not at receptions or when you go back to a persons house after a funeral.

                  I do not believe in everything the military, government or Yankees do. I do not even believe in god. But I stand for God Bless America not because I am shook what somebody will say to me or feel about me because I do not. I stand because it is just a symbol that is used at the stadium to honor the people we lost on Sep 11th and to honor the people that are in harms way while we eat our high fructose corn syrup and watch our big screen TVs made in communist China.

                • andrew

                  Well congrats Donnie, that makes you better than the rest of us.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                If you think anybody is off HGH right now, you are buggin.

                Show me a study that says that HgH helps your athletic performance. I dare you.

                Cust may still be on HgH, and if he is, he should stop, because the medical community is in total agreement: It’s doing nothing to him other than creating medical side effects that will destroy his body without giving him any tangible performance enhancement.

                HgH can help you recover from an injury quicker. That’s it. It doesn’t help you hit a ball harder.

                • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

                  “Show me a study that says that HgH helps your athletic performance. I dare you.”

                  So players take banned drugs for no reason?

                  HGH does help growth. Do you know anybody on HGH? Have you seen the effects?

                  If you want to believe it only helps in recovery, we can pretend that is true. Do you understand that every time after a hard workout. A max load workout that your muscles are broken down and HGH will help them grow stronger and faster. HGH with whey and creatine and a tuff workout routine will put muscle weight on you and put it on fast, very fast. Fast enough that you could be ripped in………….. 4 weeks :)

              • rbizzler

                Why the assumption that he suddenly didn’t believe in his protest any longer because he decided to stand for GBA? It is possible and probable that he chose to express his displeasure in another manner.

                Sounds like he is not only a good hitter, but a rational person too.

                Color me impressed.

                • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

                  He folded because he wanted to be out of Miami and because he could not take the pressure of it being a full time issue in NY.

                  “It is possible and probable that he chose to express his displeasure in another manner.”

                  Yeah, he did. He cashed his $18 million dollar checks in NY instead of Miami.

                  Carlos is no freedom fighter. He is no Roberto Clemente. He is a fraud, a probable cheater, and a definite old and frequently injured hobbled shell of his former self.

                • rbizzler

                  The short answer to your attempted take down of Delgado’s character is that, while he may not be Roberto Clemente, he did win the Roberto Clemente Award in 2006. As a trained historian, I can ascertain that in 2006 Delgado was still a member of the Mets, so it is certainly possible that he chose to channel his efforts in another manner. One that involved significant involvement in charity work.

                  Fire up the google, I think that Roberto Clemente would be proud of the work that Carlos is doing in their native Puerto Rico.

        • rbizzler

          I personally had no problem with Delgado’s protest and would gladly welcome him into the fold. As Mike noted, his numbers are comparable to Zilla and he still provides pop and patience from the left hand side of the plate.

  • jsbrendog

    matsui will be the opening day dh. and if that prediction is wrong, it will most certainly not be delgado.

    i cannot help but feel we would be getting the first half of 08 delgado and that was absolutely awful.

    he just doesnt have the upside because of his injury.

    the only way is ee it happening is if the budget is full and we havent signed a dh because of signing pettitte, another pitcher, and an outfielder so they have to bring on someone like delgado for a mil or two and hope he takes the hey youre old, come for a chance to win one last time before your body fails you for good…

    and i hope it doesnt come to that

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Looking at that picture gives me an idea:

    A) Sign Damon for LF
    B) Let Matsui walk
    C) Move Posada to fulltime DH
    D) Sign Delgado to be the new starting catcher.

    BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM, THAT JUST HAPPENED.

    A Plan C at DH? Or a Plan DH at C? Hmmmm….

    • Mac

      I’d rather the Yanks give Juan Miranda the DH job over Delgado.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Really? No you wouldn’t.

        • Mac

          Yep, I would (as a plan C or lower option) – he’ll make the minimum and its not like the Yanks don’t have the option of rotating A-Rod, Teix, Jeter, Posada through there if he can’t do the job – it is somewhat predicated on having a suitable replacement for Damon’s O in LF.

          It all depends on the deal Delgado gets – if its incentive laden for one year (and the Yanks can dump him if he blows) then its debatable.

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      My Plan C: Move Posada to fulltime DH. Begin the era of Jesus at C.

      Ok, ok, he’s Jesus, so we’re probably not ready for him yet…

      • Reggie C.

        No way Montero’s ready to handle catching duties at the ML level.

        Whoever represents the fall-back to Mats signing elsewhere should be signed to strictly a one-year deal. That’s why Delgado or Thome or Dye appear attractive Dh options. The way Montero has handled minor league pitching, he’s a viable DH option for 2011, but the kid needs at least 400 PAs at AAA.

        • Mattingly’s Love Child

          Sorry, I guess I didn’t make my sarcasm clear enough. Definitely don’t think Montero’s ready to catch at the ML level.

          But the basis of my goofiness was a legitimate plan c to move posada to DH and try to get a different everyday catcher. One that can, you know, catch.

    • Sam

      Mind=blown

  • Reggie C.

    I understand why Delgado fits as a Dh option, and the writer makes a persuasive case. Jim Thome and Jermaine Dye also fits that bill. These are guys who probably wont sign deals right away, so we’re gonna have a good deal of time to discuss pros and cons.

    However, Nick Johnson is years younger and should land a multi-year deal somewhere. He wont last on the market for too long, and that’s why NJ isn’t an option for us.

    • Mac

      That better be a soft landing for NJ….

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      As DH options, money being equal:

      Thome >> Delgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jermaine Dye

      • Reggie C.

        Okay.

        I apparently like Dye alot more than other posters, as i see him as an emergency corner OF; something i believe Mats isn’t anymore. I’ve been on board with pursuing Thome for a while now, and i think he’s one of those 1-year guarantee / 1-year team option fellas.

        • Mac

          I also like Dye’s bat and would prefer him over Thome and Delgado, but I wouldn’t even let him bring a glove to spring training. DH and nothing but DH.

  • RobC

    what has Delgado been doing during God Bless America? Is he standing?

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Because that’s a perfectly valid reason to make a baseball personnel move…

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        If anything, it makes me like him more.

        The man has an opinion and takes a principled stand. Whether I agree with it or not, I respect it.

        • Steve H

          Agreed.

        • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

          Sorry but he is a fraud. He stood once he got traded to the Mets. Some big belief system the guy has.

          On a baseball only topic… we need no more hip impingement players on the roster.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            BECAUSE THEY ASKED HIM TO.

            • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

              They asked him to? or made it a condition of getting him off a horrible Marlins team? Make up your mind which one is it?

        • Mac

          I’d respect him if he decided not to take the money and retire because his principles caused him the angst. Yanks are actually likeable (even A-Rod!) lets keep it that way.

          • Mattingly’s Love Child

            Delgado, from all accounts, is a very guy that everybody likes. Just because he stood up for something at one time does not make him a bad guy.

            “Patriotism is supporting your country all of the time, and your government when it deserves it.” He was speaking out against the government with his actions. I have no problems with this.

            • Mac

              I also have no problem with him speaking out, but his actions were self-serving – if its so important to him he shouldn’t enrich himself from the people and country that he feels are perpitrating the actions he finds objectionable.

              I remember reading accounts that Delgado was sullen and not a clubhouse leader (this goes back to his days with the Jays) – maybe its his relationship with the beat writers that is giving him an undeserved bad rap – regardless, I’d like to see the Yanks not try to save a few million just to save a few million and get younger if possible.

              Lot of DH options, Matsui comes with his own revenue stream, hits lefties and is popular with the fans and team – do you really need to go down the Delgado road?

              Of course if Matsui and Damon get bigger deals than Abreu, then yeah, you look at guys like Delgado along with many other options.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I also have no problem with him speaking out, but his actions were self-serving

                How?

                if its so important to him he shouldn’t enrich himself from the people and country that he feels are perpitrating the actions he finds objectionable.

                That’s fucking ridiculous. I think there are things America does wrong, and I want my country to stop doing them. That does not mean I should give up my career and move to St. Kitts and Nevis.

      • RobC

        It could lead to bad team chemistry and poor fan responce.
        Isn’t the announcement “honor or servcemen and women” before God Bless AMerica is played?
        Aren’t fans asked to rise and not move around the stadium?

        • rbizzler

          Please. Standing for GBA is not a job requirement.

          And how exactky could it lead to bad team chemistry?

  • T-Dubs

    Miguel Cabrera will be the full-time DH next season and fill in horribly at 1st, 3rd, and LF every now and again. He will also be the drunkest Yankee since David Wells.

    BOOOOOOOOM.

    That just happened.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    A-Rod and Chase Utley came back from similar procedures like champs, however those guys are world class athletes and several years younger than Delgado.

    Nitpick: Delgado is a first baseman and not a 2B or SS/3B. I know that. He’s not an athlete on par with Utley or ARod.

    However, Delgado is a very good (if not “world class” per se) athlete. His recovery road may not be any harder than it would be for ARod or Utley.

    The man is not John Kruk, is what I’m trying to say. I don’t recall stories of him slacking off in the weight room or showing up with beer and sauerkraut stains all over his jersey. He’s a quality athlete of his own.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

      Delgado is closer to being John Krukesque than in the same league as Ut or Alex. It has been a long time since Carlos has been in good shape, before or after the hip problem.

      I know you always say you do not care if a guy is a cheater or does roids (when I say roids I am including HGH or any other PED that is not a stimulant). Actually you say that “we” do not care as if you speak for the whole board and maybe you do. But if you think that teams do not ask themselves these questions before they make moves these days you are mistaken.

      If the Yankees had believed that Alex was on roids and was going to have a breakdown because of them, no way they would have signed him to that long of a deal. A lot of hip injuries are going on these days, and as long as I have been a fan I can not recall there being this many. These drugs help build up muscle in various ways but they do not build bone and cartilage. You will continue to see players who put up big stats have these sorts of issues, and I believe the reason is roids or whatever you want to call them.

      • rbizzler

        How naive.

        I guess you missed the part where Giambi’s agent had Cash take the PED indemnity out of his contract as a condition of signing.

        That could have been seen as a major red flag, but they chose to sign him to a seven year commitment anyway.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

    I’d rather see Pete Incaviglia or Paul Blair DH before Jack Cust.

    • Mattingly’s Love Child

      How about Rob Deer?

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        He could work. Gorman Thomas, too.

        • jsbrendog

          steve “condo” balboni

          • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

            Clu Haywood? Former triple crown winner.

            • Steve H

              Leads the league in most offensive categories, including nose hair.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      If we’re gonna take on an A’s player to be our new DH, it shouldn’t be Jack Cust. It should be Travis Buck.

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-702163

  • Zack

    Cust would have a huge HR number in this park

  • Steve H
    • Reggie C.

      prescient post.

  • Crazy Eyes Killa

    A) Matsui
    B) Delgado
    C) Johnson

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    DH Plans:

    A) Matsui
    B) Damon
    C) Nick Johnson
    D) Jim Thome
    E) Carlos Delgado
    F) Jack Cust
    G) Jermaine Dye
    H) Vlad

    • T-Dubs

      No Sheffield?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I) Sheff

        ;)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      In full, total, dead seriousness:

      I’d bring Barry Bonds out of retirement before going with Cust, Dye, or Vlad. He’s probably 50% of what he was, but that’s still better than Options F, G, and H.

      • T-Dubs

        I had this exact thought a week ago and decided it wouldn’t be worth the headache.

      • Steve H
      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Hmm, maybe before Dye and Vlad but not Cust.

        I really wish they had gone out and got Bonds instead of Sexson. He made so much sense. Too bad that ship’s sailed.

  • MattG

    “World Series MVP Hideki Matsui remains the most obvious and best choice to fill the DH spot going into 2010, however there are no shortage of affordable options.”

    Now, I am not about to argue the truth of this statement, but any team other than the Yankees would probably go after one of the many affordable options first. What assuranace does Matsui provide at $10M guaranteed, over an incentive laden deal for Delgado, or a smaller guarantee for Johnson, Thome, etc?

    Those same people that cry about the Yankees’ payroll also cry about loyalty, and players staying with the same team. Some significant part of the Yankees $200M payroll is a lack of penny-pinching we are likely going to observe this year, when Matsui and Pettitte come back for 20-30% more than anyone else would offer.

    • Steve H

      Agreed. If a risky Delgado came at $3 million (no idea if that’s close), and a risky Matsui costs $10 million, what makes more sense? If Delgado came in cheaply and failed, he could be replaced at or before the deadline. These DH type FA’s that are getting 1 year deals will likely be available (cheap) if/when their teams are out of it.

      • T-Dubs

        If anyone in the world offers $10m to Matsushi, pat him on the back and wish him good luck. $7m would be an absolute ceiling if I was Cash.

      • Mac

        With age and injury its a tough call, but that said, I think Matsui’s knees (if you keep him out of the OF) are less of a risk than Delgado’s hip and bringing him to the major league NY team.

    • Ed

      when Matsui and Pettitte come back for 20-30% more than anyone else would offer.

      Doubt it. The Yankees have generally lowballed Pettitte. If they lowballed him when he was 32 and 37, I’d be surprised to see them overpay at 38.

    • Mike HC

      That is why the Yanks are so much better than their competition. They are willing to spend more than other teams to get their guys. It is pretty simple.

  • Rob in CT

    Matsui, Thome and Johnson are all about the same level to me. However you want to order them is fine. Damon is less of a threat with the bat, but more likely to stay healthy and he can still play the field (sorta).

  • Mike HC

    As long as we get someone who is specifically slotted for DH, rather than rotating our position players, it is all good with me.

    I am a big fan of Matsui, so I personally hope the Yanks re sign him.

  • Rose

    Is Mathew Lecroy still available?

    /Sarcasm’d

  • OldYanksFan

    There must be a dozen older DH/OF types who could post at least a .775 OPS. If the Yanks want to save money on the DH (and apply it to Andy or whomever), they can wait until Feb. and then pick-up whoever is left for 1/$5m.

    Holliday + (.775)/$5m >>>>> JD + Matsui.

    P.S. 2010 JD will NOT be as good as 2009 JD. JD is a career 105 OPS+ who posted a 126 OPS+ in 2009 (contract year). He is a year older, and in steep decline with the leather.

    In terms of bang-for-the-buck, I’d rather our DH be Posada (50 games), ARod/Jeter/Tex (20 games) and Miranda/Monteroand possible July pick-up.

    With NO DH cost, we could offer Holliday 4/$75.
    The only thing that scares me about Holliday is 5 or 6 years. We can do it for 4, and overpay him a bit.

    P.P.S. I believe that if the Yanks REALLY want to keep payroll under $195, and continue to slightly lower it, they will need to compromise a bit, try some low risk/hi reward guys, and give some kids a valid shot.

    Gritner willl NEVER be a very good player, but with his speed and defense, if he can post a .680 – .700 OPS, he will be a very good ‘worst player on the team’.

  • steve s

    Ask Willie Randolph about Delgado. Delgado’s political beliefs are a red-herring compared to his undermining of Willie. A rotating DH is a much better result than letting this guy near the Yankee clubhouse

  • coachcarter

    Cust would be an excellant signing for Yankees. Remember, this guy has playing in the worst hitters ballpark in the AL, with no protection around him for the past three years. He would crush at Yankees stadium, surrounded by great hitters.

    Start him at DH v. righties – bat him 7th.

    Give him 450 abs, will give you 30 hrs, .260 ba, .400 obp at yankees stadium.

    He will be a much younger 31 during 2010, unlike the other DH’s available, including Matsui, VLAD, Haeffner, etc. He also could be had for under 4 million. I think its a no-brainer.

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