Comments on: An outside look on Joba’s career http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 16:14:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Accent Shallow http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732320 Accent Shallow Fri, 25 Dec 2009 02:00:19 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732320 Actual analysis. Of course, that's far too much to expect from a fantasy site. Actual analysis. Of course, that’s far too much to expect from a fantasy site.

]]> By: dudes http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732248 dudes Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:53:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732248 i thought david did a pretty good job with the available information. what else do you want? i thought david did a pretty good job with the available information. what else do you want?

]]> By: dudes http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732246 dudes Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:47:15 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732246 which, then again might not be bad considering the extended workload associated with a deep playoff run. which, then again might not be bad considering the extended workload associated with a deep playoff run.

]]> By: Yankeegirl49 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732196 Yankeegirl49 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:29:06 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732196 Because, to the people arguing for keeping him in the pen, he already failed horribly as a starter. Anything other than winning 15-20 with an ERA under 3, is "failing horribly". never mind anything else. At this point, I just want the whole discussion to go away! Because, to the people arguing for keeping him in the pen, he already failed horribly as a starter. Anything other than winning 15-20 with an ERA under 3, is “failing horribly”. never mind anything else.

At this point, I just want the whole discussion to go away!

]]> By: no.27 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732194 no.27 Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:24:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732194 Before 2007 Hughes WAS considered the better prospect as a starter. A lot has changed since 2007. Hughes doesn't even throw the same pitches as he did back then. I don't know what scouts are saying about who will be the better starter this year, but what they have to say will have more to do with what happened since 2007 than before 2007. I'd think that Joba's fastball, slider, curveball, changeup are better than Hughes' fastball, cutter, curveball, changeup at this point. I think it would hurt Joba's development more than it would hurt Hughes' development for Joba to go back to the pen. He's set up to finally pitch a full season, no reason to not give him the chance. If Joba does well, then you can put Hughes in as the 5th starter next year. If Joba proves that he can't be a good starter, then you put him in the pen and see what Hughes can do. Before 2007 Hughes WAS considered the better prospect as a starter. A lot has changed since 2007. Hughes doesn’t even throw the same pitches as he did back then.

I don’t know what scouts are saying about who will be the better starter this year, but what they have to say will have more to do with what happened since 2007 than before 2007.

I’d think that Joba’s fastball, slider, curveball, changeup are better than Hughes’ fastball, cutter, curveball, changeup at this point.

I think it would hurt Joba’s development more than it would hurt Hughes’ development for Joba to go back to the pen. He’s set up to finally pitch a full season, no reason to not give him the chance.

If Joba does well, then you can put Hughes in as the 5th starter next year. If Joba proves that he can’t be a good starter, then you put him in the pen and see what Hughes can do.

]]> By: Riddering http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732182 Riddering Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:56:39 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732182 Actually, it's interesting how he doesn't spend much time writing on Joba's fastball velocity. Considering his is an 'outsider' pov and so many Yankee writers/bloggers focus on TEH HEAT. Just goes to show that it isn't as dire as many people make it out to be, when Joba pitches in the low-to-mid 90s range rather than the upper-to-100. Actually, it’s interesting how he doesn’t spend much time writing on Joba’s fastball velocity. Considering his is an ‘outsider’ pov and so many Yankee writers/bloggers focus on TEH HEAT.

Just goes to show that it isn’t as dire as many people make it out to be, when Joba pitches in the low-to-mid 90s range rather than the upper-to-100.

]]> By: Riddering http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732179 Riddering Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:51:38 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732179 I think that the Yankees should and will go into ST with the notion that the fifth spot in the rotation is up for grabs among Joba, Hughes, Aceves, Gaudin, Mitre, etc. However, it seems to me that unless someone else blows them away or Joba looks poor that the latter will take the fifth spot because the Yankees took extreme pains to smartly increase his workload as a SP in 2009. What sense would it make to throw away all the compromises of 2009 in order to get Joba fit for making 180-200 innings if they then put him in the BP? The best plan for consistent development would be to slot Joba into the rotation to begin the season, move Hughes to AAA or (gulp) the bullpen with the idea that he's the first option to move to the rotation when/if a spot opens up in 2010. That way Joba can pitch a full season with little to no limitations and Hughes can work back into building up his IP in order to be a future Yankee starter. I think that the Yankees should and will go into ST with the notion that the fifth spot in the rotation is up for grabs among Joba, Hughes, Aceves, Gaudin, Mitre, etc.

However, it seems to me that unless someone else blows them away or Joba looks poor that the latter will take the fifth spot because the Yankees took extreme pains to smartly increase his workload as a SP in 2009. What sense would it make to throw away all the compromises of 2009 in order to get Joba fit for making 180-200 innings if they then put him in the BP?

The best plan for consistent development would be to slot Joba into the rotation to begin the season, move Hughes to AAA or (gulp) the bullpen with the idea that he’s the first option to move to the rotation when/if a spot opens up in 2010. That way Joba can pitch a full season with little to no limitations and Hughes can work back into building up his IP in order to be a future Yankee starter.

]]> By: Accent Shallow http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732155 Accent Shallow Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:16:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732155 It'd be nice to get a view from someone who knows what they're talking about, rather than a fantasy site. This about the same level of analysis you'd get from a comment here. It’d be nice to get a view from someone who knows what they’re talking about, rather than a fantasy site. This about the same level of analysis you’d get from a comment here.

]]> By: ecksodia http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732142 ecksodia Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:06:07 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732142 Good post. What I don't get is how people can keep arguing for keeping him in the bullpen; surely, if he fails horribly as a starter, the Yankees are amenable to moving him to the bullpen if that happens? Good post. What I don’t get is how people can keep arguing for keeping him in the bullpen; surely, if he fails horribly as a starter, the Yankees are amenable to moving him to the bullpen if that happens?

]]> By: Gleb http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/an-outside-look-on-jobas-career-21723/#comment-732126 Gleb Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:42:25 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21723#comment-732126 "While Chamberlain didn’t set the world on fire in 2009, he just turned 24 in late September. Hopefully, he gets another crack at the rotation. For the sake of argument, let’s say Joba becomes “only” a 4.00 FIP starter at his peak. If he tosses 175 innings, that would make him worth about 2.7 wins above replacement per season. In 2009, the only reliever to top that WAR total was Jonathan Broxton, with +2.9. It’s awfully hard to make a reasonable argument that Chamberlain has more value out of the ‘pen. " This was the best part of the post. “While Chamberlain didn’t set the world on fire in 2009, he just turned 24 in late September. Hopefully, he gets another crack at the rotation. For the sake of argument, let’s say Joba becomes “only” a 4.00 FIP starter at his peak. If he tosses 175 innings, that would make him worth about 2.7 wins above replacement per season. In 2009, the only reliever to top that WAR total was Jonathan Broxton, with +2.9. It’s awfully hard to make a reasonable argument that Chamberlain has more value out of the ‘pen. ”

This was the best part of the post.

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