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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgot to mention, you weren&#039;t the only one mad about seeing Posada&#039;s base running skills and smarts during the playoffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgot to mention, you weren&#8217;t the only one mad about seeing Posada&#8217;s base running skills and smarts during the playoffs.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one issue, I think we will trade either Joba or Hughes and not both but could be wrong and I trust Halladay more than Felix but I can be greedy and say why not both right?  Hughes in one deal, Kennedy in another.  Pujols and Mauer and Beltran could join us next year assuming that is allowed even which is one reason I want Jeter&#039;s extension over with.  Sheets vs Lackey though as well as Holliday vs Bay vs Damon.  I think Nady is gone but we shall see, an arbitration chance is ok with me for him, Damon needs a deal, not likely going to accept arbitration and Andy and Matsui a nice 1 yr deal each.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one issue, I think we will trade either Joba or Hughes and not both but could be wrong and I trust Halladay more than Felix but I can be greedy and say why not both right?  Hughes in one deal, Kennedy in another.  Pujols and Mauer and Beltran could join us next year assuming that is allowed even which is one reason I want Jeter&#8217;s extension over with.  Sheets vs Lackey though as well as Holliday vs Bay vs Damon.  I think Nady is gone but we shall see, an arbitration chance is ok with me for him, Damon needs a deal, not likely going to accept arbitration and Andy and Matsui a nice 1 yr deal each.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Yankees should flat out try to get a deal done with Damon and Matsui and Andy, Damon a 3 yr deal possible 4th and 1 yr each for Matsui and Andy.  I am hoping we can trade for Halladay and then get Lackey or Sheets but next year I think Beltran will be free whom I like more than Granderson and wish we would have signed him a few years ago instead or addition to someone named carl pavano.  Mauer is doing the smart thing by putting a deadline on his extension, there&#039;s isn&#039;t a good reason for him not to become a free agent and don&#039;t forget about Albert Pujols as well, Mauer replacing Posada, Pujols splitting time at 1B and being our DH, Beltran our new CF, things could become very very good.  Hope we get Halladay though for sure!  Let&#039;s Go Yankees!  On draft picks sure it be nice to get some but when the team is always going to set presently, you don&#039;t need alot of draft picks so I understand why the Yankees do things that way.  Was nice for John Henry to stand up for the Yankees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Yankees should flat out try to get a deal done with Damon and Matsui and Andy, Damon a 3 yr deal possible 4th and 1 yr each for Matsui and Andy.  I am hoping we can trade for Halladay and then get Lackey or Sheets but next year I think Beltran will be free whom I like more than Granderson and wish we would have signed him a few years ago instead or addition to someone named carl pavano.  Mauer is doing the smart thing by putting a deadline on his extension, there&#8217;s isn&#8217;t a good reason for him not to become a free agent and don&#8217;t forget about Albert Pujols as well, Mauer replacing Posada, Pujols splitting time at 1B and being our DH, Beltran our new CF, things could become very very good.  Hope we get Halladay though for sure!  Let&#8217;s Go Yankees!  On draft picks sure it be nice to get some but when the team is always going to set presently, you don&#8217;t need alot of draft picks so I understand why the Yankees do things that way.  Was nice for John Henry to stand up for the Yankees.</p>
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		<title>By: WayneD</title>
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		<dc:creator>WayneD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac, I understood your context and I by no means meant to belittle your comment. My concern is how ANDY perceives be snubbed once again on an arb offer. He left in 2004 because he felt he wasn&#039;t treated with the proper respect (and I agree with him on that: the Yankees took his loyalty for granted back then). 

But Andy has his fifth ring now, and I&#039;m sure he&#039;s financially secure, so there isn&#039;t much incentive for him to come back to the Yankees at this point -- other than loyalty to the organization. But loyalty is a two way street &amp; it&#039;s time the Yankees shower Andy with gratitude for all he&#039;s done. Overpay he some for one year, he&#039;s earned that gratitude. 

Andy&#039;s no longer a 1 or 2 starter, but he&#039;s still a great competitor, a better than league average 3rd or 4th starter, and one of the best lefties in Yankee History! We need to entice him back for one more year by showering him with affection, not ignore him &amp; hope he comes back.

Who&#039;s our #3 if he doesn&#039;t come back? Joba? Hughes? Are you kidding me? At this point, do you really want to rely on Joba or Hughes to win the clinching game in every round of the playoffs -- like Andy did this year? Hopefully, they both get to that point, but they&#039;re not even close right now.

One question to everybody: Does anybody know if any pitcher in modern playoff history has ever before won the clinching game in all three rounds? It would seem unlikely, but it would be interesting to know for sure. If Andy&#039;s the only one (or one of 2 or 3), it&#039;s a great trivia question for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac, I understood your context and I by no means meant to belittle your comment. My concern is how ANDY perceives be snubbed once again on an arb offer. He left in 2004 because he felt he wasn&#8217;t treated with the proper respect (and I agree with him on that: the Yankees took his loyalty for granted back then). </p>
<p>But Andy has his fifth ring now, and I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s financially secure, so there isn&#8217;t much incentive for him to come back to the Yankees at this point &#8212; other than loyalty to the organization. But loyalty is a two way street &amp; it&#8217;s time the Yankees shower Andy with gratitude for all he&#8217;s done. Overpay he some for one year, he&#8217;s earned that gratitude. </p>
<p>Andy&#8217;s no longer a 1 or 2 starter, but he&#8217;s still a great competitor, a better than league average 3rd or 4th starter, and one of the best lefties in Yankee History! We need to entice him back for one more year by showering him with affection, not ignore him &amp; hope he comes back.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s our #3 if he doesn&#8217;t come back? Joba? Hughes? Are you kidding me? At this point, do you really want to rely on Joba or Hughes to win the clinching game in every round of the playoffs &#8212; like Andy did this year? Hopefully, they both get to that point, but they&#8217;re not even close right now.</p>
<p>One question to everybody: Does anybody know if any pitcher in modern playoff history has ever before won the clinching game in all three rounds? It would seem unlikely, but it would be interesting to know for sure. If Andy&#8217;s the only one (or one of 2 or 3), it&#8217;s a great trivia question for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, by saying &quot;Doesn&#039;t Matter&quot; I am speaking to this thread which relates to who will be offered arbitration.  Not whether or not we should sign him.  Whether the Yankees offer Pettitte arbitration is irrelevant to the reason why he signed with the Astro&#039;s in 2004. 

He did not sign with the Yankees in 2004 because the Yankees did not treat him the way he thought he deserved to be treated.  He also was not offered arbitration last year and he ended up signing anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, by saying &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t Matter&#8221; I am speaking to this thread which relates to who will be offered arbitration.  Not whether or not we should sign him.  Whether the Yankees offer Pettitte arbitration is irrelevant to the reason why he signed with the Astro&#8217;s in 2004. </p>
<p>He did not sign with the Yankees in 2004 because the Yankees did not treat him the way he thought he deserved to be treated.  He also was not offered arbitration last year and he ended up signing anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: WayneD</title>
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		<dc:creator>WayneD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to throw an idea out their for everyone to comment on.

Trade Joba, Hughes, Posada, and Gardner or Melky (their choice) to Seattle for King Felix. I would even consider (but reluctantly so) substituting Montero for Gardner/Melky. That substitution might well get the deal done.

Why Posada? Four reasons:

1) He&#039;s done defensively; he&#039;s getting to be embarassing behind the plate, but he&#039; still better than anything Seattle has at catcher.

2) King Felix is young enough &amp; dominate enough to be around for a handful of WS titles.

3) With a starting four of CC, King Felix, &amp; Andy, we could easily get by with the great defense of Molina &amp; Cervelli behind the plate.

4) Trading Posada would re-open the DH spot for Matsui for two years. He&#039;s still one of the best hitters in baseball, and he&#039;s definately a better all-around hitter than Posada -- and they both carry about the same injury risk at this point in their careers.

We owe a great thanks to Jorge for all he&#039;s done for the Yankees, but if I see him watch another runner rounding the bases instead of RUNNING to get a passed ball, I&#039;m going to scream! Jorge, run &amp; pick up the freakin&#039; ball, then throw wherever Jeter, A-Rod, or Tex tells you to throw to! You&#039;re a veteran for god&#039;s sake; I expect that kind of stupidity from Cano or Melky, but not a 13-year veteran!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to throw an idea out their for everyone to comment on.</p>
<p>Trade Joba, Hughes, Posada, and Gardner or Melky (their choice) to Seattle for King Felix. I would even consider (but reluctantly so) substituting Montero for Gardner/Melky. That substitution might well get the deal done.</p>
<p>Why Posada? Four reasons:</p>
<p>1) He&#8217;s done defensively; he&#8217;s getting to be embarassing behind the plate, but he&#8217; still better than anything Seattle has at catcher.</p>
<p>2) King Felix is young enough &amp; dominate enough to be around for a handful of WS titles.</p>
<p>3) With a starting four of CC, King Felix, &amp; Andy, we could easily get by with the great defense of Molina &amp; Cervelli behind the plate.</p>
<p>4) Trading Posada would re-open the DH spot for Matsui for two years. He&#8217;s still one of the best hitters in baseball, and he&#8217;s definately a better all-around hitter than Posada &#8212; and they both carry about the same injury risk at this point in their careers.</p>
<p>We owe a great thanks to Jorge for all he&#8217;s done for the Yankees, but if I see him watch another runner rounding the bases instead of RUNNING to get a passed ball, I&#8217;m going to scream! Jorge, run &amp; pick up the freakin&#8217; ball, then throw wherever Jeter, A-Rod, or Tex tells you to throw to! You&#8217;re a veteran for god&#8217;s sake; I expect that kind of stupidity from Cano or Melky, but not a 13-year veteran!</p>
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		<title>By: WayneD</title>
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		<dc:creator>WayneD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote from Mac:

&quot;Pettitte – Doesn’t matter. He deserves a slight increase, doesn’t look like he would sign with anyone else anyway.&quot;

This is EXACTLY the type of thinking that lost us Andy to the Astros some years back. We desperately need Andy again next year or we&#039;re royally screwed. And the Yankees need to show some belated thanks and respect for what he&#039;s done in his career here by offering arbitration. If they once again refuse to offer him arb, my bet is that he retires with the one for the thumb.

If Andy isn&#039;t back, we&#039;ll have to either sign Lackey for more years and dollars than advisable, or trade a bunch of potentially great players for Doc. I don&#039;t like either of those prospect, even though Doc is a phenominal pitcher &amp; would make us unstoppable if our key guys remain healthy. 

CC, Doc, AJ, and Andy might be the greatest starting four in history, but the Yankees are close to their max-out dollar amount on players &amp; signing Doc would make it difficult to fill the LF hole with anyone of real value. But, god, it would be nice to have him, wouldn&#039;t it? What a staff that would be with Hughes or Joba in the five spot. Wow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote from Mac:</p>
<p>&#8220;Pettitte – Doesn’t matter. He deserves a slight increase, doesn’t look like he would sign with anyone else anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is EXACTLY the type of thinking that lost us Andy to the Astros some years back. We desperately need Andy again next year or we&#8217;re royally screwed. And the Yankees need to show some belated thanks and respect for what he&#8217;s done in his career here by offering arbitration. If they once again refuse to offer him arb, my bet is that he retires with the one for the thumb.</p>
<p>If Andy isn&#8217;t back, we&#8217;ll have to either sign Lackey for more years and dollars than advisable, or trade a bunch of potentially great players for Doc. I don&#8217;t like either of those prospect, even though Doc is a phenominal pitcher &amp; would make us unstoppable if our key guys remain healthy. </p>
<p>CC, Doc, AJ, and Andy might be the greatest starting four in history, but the Yankees are close to their max-out dollar amount on players &amp; signing Doc would make it difficult to fill the LF hole with anyone of real value. But, god, it would be nice to have him, wouldn&#8217;t it? What a staff that would be with Hughes or Joba in the five spot. Wow!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our payroll is already pretty high.  If the Yankees want to keep payroll at or near last years total we would not have much flexibility to do much else this offseason.  Right now we 166M committed to only 12 players.  This salary figure does not include anyone that needs to be tendered a contract, so Melky, Gaudin, Joba, Hughes, and the rest of the 40 man roster.  When you add those guys in it probably brings us to about 180M right now.  If we sign Damon to 15M we&#039;re at 195M.  That&#039;s 7M short of last years payroll.  That&#039;s not even enough to sign Pettitte and still stay at last year&#039;s number.  

If the team is willing to raise the payroll this year to fill other holes I&#039;m fine with that, but otherwise Damon at 15M is simply ridiculous.  

At 15M you could sign Matsui and a cheaper LF or another starter.    

Unlike previous years (mainly last year) the Yankees do not have that much financial flexibility to go spend a fortune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our payroll is already pretty high.  If the Yankees want to keep payroll at or near last years total we would not have much flexibility to do much else this offseason.  Right now we 166M committed to only 12 players.  This salary figure does not include anyone that needs to be tendered a contract, so Melky, Gaudin, Joba, Hughes, and the rest of the 40 man roster.  When you add those guys in it probably brings us to about 180M right now.  If we sign Damon to 15M we&#8217;re at 195M.  That&#8217;s 7M short of last years payroll.  That&#8217;s not even enough to sign Pettitte and still stay at last year&#8217;s number.  </p>
<p>If the team is willing to raise the payroll this year to fill other holes I&#8217;m fine with that, but otherwise Damon at 15M is simply ridiculous.  </p>
<p>At 15M you could sign Matsui and a cheaper LF or another starter.    </p>
<p>Unlike previous years (mainly last year) the Yankees do not have that much financial flexibility to go spend a fortune.</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Low money. 1 Year.  He is not a pitcher.  

I don&#039;t consider that high risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low money. 1 Year.  He is not a pitcher.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t consider that high risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nady – Yes. The injury concern is there. But it is still low risk, high reward.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s about a 30% success rate on Tommy John surgery the second time around, and Nady&#039;s been about league average for most of his career.

It&#039;s high risk, low reward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nady – Yes. The injury concern is there. But it is still low risk, high reward.</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s about a 30% success rate on Tommy John surgery the second time around, and Nady&#8217;s been about league average for most of his career.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s high risk, low reward.</p>
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