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		<title>By: TheLastClown</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700803</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLastClown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, let&#039;s say Mauer doesn&#039;t sign an extension pre-ST.

Then let&#039;s say the Twins deal him before the deadline, to try &amp; get some kind of return out of the deal.

Do you think the Twins would deal him for Montero + whoever&#039;s not named Hughes/Joba/AJax?

They won&#039;t be able to get the king&#039;s ransom that Mauer&#039;s worth for just a half season of him, and Montero&#039;s got the potential to at least be about 60-70% of Mauer, if he can stick behind the plate of course.

We do have the catching depth, we could have Romine spell Mauer, and the Twins would get as good a replacement candidate as possible.  The Sox don&#039;t have any C prospects like Montero, do they?

I don&#039;t know if this is such a pipe-dream.  I mean, having both Jesus &amp; Mauer is probably too far-fetched, because the Twins are going to deal him if he doesn&#039;t sign.  Although he won&#039;t necessarily sign with whatever team trades for him, there&#039;s the distinct possibility that he does.  Especially if the trade partner is the Yankees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let&#8217;s say Mauer doesn&#8217;t sign an extension pre-ST.</p>
<p>Then let&#8217;s say the Twins deal him before the deadline, to try &amp; get some kind of return out of the deal.</p>
<p>Do you think the Twins would deal him for Montero + whoever&#8217;s not named Hughes/Joba/AJax?</p>
<p>They won&#8217;t be able to get the king&#8217;s ransom that Mauer&#8217;s worth for just a half season of him, and Montero&#8217;s got the potential to at least be about 60-70% of Mauer, if he can stick behind the plate of course.</p>
<p>We do have the catching depth, we could have Romine spell Mauer, and the Twins would get as good a replacement candidate as possible.  The Sox don&#8217;t have any C prospects like Montero, do they?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is such a pipe-dream.  I mean, having both Jesus &amp; Mauer is probably too far-fetched, because the Twins are going to deal him if he doesn&#8217;t sign.  Although he won&#8217;t necessarily sign with whatever team trades for him, there&#8217;s the distinct possibility that he does.  Especially if the trade partner is the Yankees.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700754</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would Mauer sign an extension now when Boston and NY and NYM will need catchers next yr??

His agent would be doing him a disservice.  And the PA would crucify him for screwing with the market and hurting other players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would Mauer sign an extension now when Boston and NY and NYM will need catchers next yr??</p>
<p>His agent would be doing him a disservice.  And the PA would crucify him for screwing with the market and hurting other players.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuckey</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700666</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuckey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In fact, YOU were the first one to bring this up in this thread. We weren’t even talking about Jorge, we were all talking about Joe Mauer.&quot;

In fact, here is a passage from the orginal Blog entry....

&quot;For the Yankees, the timing couldn’t be better. Jorge Posada is playing out the waning days of a potential Hall of Fame career behind the plate, but the growing sentiment is that he is not either physically capable or good enough to catch more than 100 games.&quot;

Do you not see that THIS is what prompted my response? 

&quot;He IS not capable or good enough&quot;... NOT &quot;he won&#039;t be capable or good enough in 2012&quot;.

Context...

&quot;All true and valid points, but points that do not change the fact that Jorge is not the long-term answer at catcher.&quot;

But once again, I made a general remark about the GROWING sentiment about the immediate decline of Posada, which if you scroll up and see the discussion with the poster who is convinced that Posada doesn&#039;t even try to block pitches in the dirt anymore and that his play in the post-season which resulted in a 8-2 record was &quot;unacceptable&quot; you&#039;ll understand to whom and to what I was referring to.

I also clearly point out that of course the Yankees need to explore options for 2011. Cherry pick much?

&quot;None of that has anything to do with being interested in Joe Mauer&quot;

And neither does the comment you&#039;re determined to fabricate a debate out of. 

Read the post again, AFTER addressing Mauer specifically, the Posada comment begins &quot;Generally&quot; which is a fairly clear indication I&#039;m no longer discussing Posada in the context of whether IS Mauer a better choice. 

Is your head so far up your ass you honestly think I&#039;m suggesting Posada is a better option than Mauer, this year, next year or the year after?

My comments on Posada has NOTHING to do with interest in Joe Mauer. One isn&#039;t mutually exclusive to another. 

It was a &quot;general&quot; comment about the &quot;growing sentiment&quot; that Posada is incapable of playing the position for parts of the next couple of years, which again if you&#039;ll scroll up you&#039;ll see was entirely relevant. 

You&#039;re trying WAY too hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact, YOU were the first one to bring this up in this thread. We weren’t even talking about Jorge, we were all talking about Joe Mauer.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, here is a passage from the orginal Blog entry&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;For the Yankees, the timing couldn’t be better. Jorge Posada is playing out the waning days of a potential Hall of Fame career behind the plate, but the growing sentiment is that he is not either physically capable or good enough to catch more than 100 games.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you not see that THIS is what prompted my response? </p>
<p>&#8220;He IS not capable or good enough&#8221;&#8230; NOT &#8220;he won&#8217;t be capable or good enough in 2012&#8243;.</p>
<p>Context&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;All true and valid points, but points that do not change the fact that Jorge is not the long-term answer at catcher.&#8221;</p>
<p>But once again, I made a general remark about the GROWING sentiment about the immediate decline of Posada, which if you scroll up and see the discussion with the poster who is convinced that Posada doesn&#8217;t even try to block pitches in the dirt anymore and that his play in the post-season which resulted in a 8-2 record was &#8220;unacceptable&#8221; you&#8217;ll understand to whom and to what I was referring to.</p>
<p>I also clearly point out that of course the Yankees need to explore options for 2011. Cherry pick much?</p>
<p>&#8220;None of that has anything to do with being interested in Joe Mauer&#8221;</p>
<p>And neither does the comment you&#8217;re determined to fabricate a debate out of. </p>
<p>Read the post again, AFTER addressing Mauer specifically, the Posada comment begins &#8220;Generally&#8221; which is a fairly clear indication I&#8217;m no longer discussing Posada in the context of whether IS Mauer a better choice. </p>
<p>Is your head so far up your ass you honestly think I&#8217;m suggesting Posada is a better option than Mauer, this year, next year or the year after?</p>
<p>My comments on Posada has NOTHING to do with interest in Joe Mauer. One isn&#8217;t mutually exclusive to another. </p>
<p>It was a &#8220;general&#8221; comment about the &#8220;growing sentiment&#8221; that Posada is incapable of playing the position for parts of the next couple of years, which again if you&#8217;ll scroll up you&#8217;ll see was entirely relevant. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re trying WAY too hard.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700656</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>question: when all is said and done, where will mauer rank among all-time catchers? I&#039;d definitely go top 5, maybe #2 behind johnny bench</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>question: when all is said and done, where will mauer rank among all-time catchers? I&#8217;d definitely go top 5, maybe #2 behind johnny bench</p>
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		<title>By: Stuckey</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700654</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuckey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What I am saying it that Posada’s technique had become so bad that he can’t catch anymore.&quot;

But didn&#039;t he start in 10 games in the post-season, and the Yankees went 8-2 in those games?

Wasn&#039;t Pettitte and Sabathia more effective than Burnett?

Didn&#039;t the Yankees win 103 regular season games. 

BY what metric are we concluding he CAN&#039;T catch anymore? His team seems to have significant success while he&#039;s on the field, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I am saying it that Posada’s technique had become so bad that he can’t catch anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>But didn&#8217;t he start in 10 games in the post-season, and the Yankees went 8-2 in those games?</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t Pettitte and Sabathia more effective than Burnett?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t the Yankees win 103 regular season games. </p>
<p>BY what metric are we concluding he CAN&#8217;T catch anymore? His team seems to have significant success while he&#8217;s on the field, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike HC</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700581</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike HC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very true.</p>
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		<title>By: Toki</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700566</link>
		<dc:creator>Toki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well then lets talk about the money the Twins would be losing with Mauer not being their He&#039;s in every Twins commerical and add you see. You think that new stadium won&#039;t have some empty seats cause Mauer isn&#039;t there? Go to a Twins game and you&#039;ll see 80-90% Mauer jerseys in the crowd. 

For all the talk about what he&#039;s gonna cost, remember how much the best player in the AL and local boy brings in for the Twins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then lets talk about the money the Twins would be losing with Mauer not being their He&#8217;s in every Twins commerical and add you see. You think that new stadium won&#8217;t have some empty seats cause Mauer isn&#8217;t there? Go to a Twins game and you&#8217;ll see 80-90% Mauer jerseys in the crowd. </p>
<p>For all the talk about what he&#8217;s gonna cost, remember how much the best player in the AL and local boy brings in for the Twins.</p>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700563</link>
		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THAT IS HOW YOU DEBATE!!!!!!


... what happened?  I blacked out.  Did we win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THAT IS HOW YOU DEBATE!!!!!!</p>
<p>&#8230; what happened?  I blacked out.  Did we win?</p>
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		<title>By: RobC</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700556</link>
		<dc:creator>RobC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mea culpa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mea culpa</p>
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		<title>By: MatyRuggz</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/dreaming-of-joe-20627/#comment-700529</link>
		<dc:creator>MatyRuggz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if Boston cripples their system to get him? Now that may be a train wreck worth watching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if Boston cripples their system to get him? Now that may be a train wreck worth watching!</p>
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