Dec
15
Hot Stove Open Thread
ByBen, Joe, and I are going to be out at an RAB power lunch for a few hours to discuss our soon-to-launched China division with potential investors. We believe China is the future baseball blogging mecca of the world, so we’re trying to get in on the ground floor. The RAG (River Ave. Gulfstream) will have us back this afternoon, but in the meantime use this thread to talk about any breaking hot stove news. We’ll be sure to cover anything major once we get back.
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Open thread during the day? Awesome.
And the pitchers and catchers countdown returns! Sweeeet.
What would happen if Damon does get a 3 year deal from elsewhere? If we are going to sign a DH on the level of Thome for 2/3mil wouldn’t it have been worth it to get a proven commodity back in Matsui? I’m comfortable with an OF of Granderson/Melky/Swisher but Damon at DH would be a downgrade from Matsui. If Damon goes to LF then again we are faced with a problem at DH.
Who else actually wants Damon?
I’m comfortable with an OF of Granderson/Melky/Swisher but Damon at DH would be a downgrade from Matsui.
The counterargument is, Granderson may be an upgrade over Damon, making the downgrade at DH and upgrade in LF/CF a wash.
Ehh…Damon has outproduced Granderson in a majority of offensive categories the past 2 seasons. It’s certainly debatable.
Defense counts too.
And yet, Damon’s offensive production is only half of the equation.
Johnny Damon, WAR, 2007-2009:
+2.3, +3.6, +3.0
Curtis Granderson, WAR, 2007-2009:
+7.3, +3.7, +3.4
FWIW:
Hideki Matsui, WAR, 2007-2009:
+2.4, +0.8, +2.4
And don’t forget Melky probably getting a defensive boost from playing an easier LF instead of a harder CF.
Swapping LF-Damon/CF-Melky/DH-Matsui for LF-Melky/CF-Granderson/DH-Damon is probably a net positive, even if Granderson doesn’t bounce back (which he may).
We’re weakened against lefties; that’s probably the only real drawback. However, we’re much better defensively and much more flexible (we can now play our DH bat instead of benching him when we need to give a half-day to Posada/ARod/Jeter).
we’re much better defensively and much more flexible (we can now play our DH bat instead of benching him when we need to give a half-day to Posada/ARod/Jeter).
That’s very true…good point. That’s probably my favorite point of them all.
DH = Dime Hadozen
I’ve got nothing to do at work today and you jerks gotta go leave for a power lunch?! WTF?!
White Sox just acquired Juan Pierre for two minor league pitchers.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ierre.html
Looks like no more Gardner to the White Sox trade proposals.
But BG to the Dodgers rumors can now start!!
Rejoice!!
The entire universe knew the Pierre contract wouldn’t end terribly well for the Dodgers. They’re chipping in 9 million over the next 2 years.
Ouch.
Couldn’t Bay be our DH/LF? If Damon can get 3 years from someone, and we can get Bay for 4, we’d only be committing 2 extra years (than we wanted) to a guy 5 years younger than Damon.
I don’t think there’s any way Damon gets 3 years and I have a hunch Bay will want 5 years.
I should’ve said “in the unlikely event Damon gets 3 years”- this being a backup plan. Bay may want 5 years, doesn’t mean he’s gonna get it (at least at the AAV he wants)
I agree with both points.
The Mets will cave and give Bay the fifth year. Book it.
Yes, please lets discuss life without Damon/Holliday/Bay/Matsui/Cameron. Who do we target if so?
LF – Melky
DH – Delgado/Thome/Johnson?
So therefore we are looking at:
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Alex
DH
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Melky
I’d be cool with this ONLY if the money not spent on a FA LF’er was invested on Sheets and or Justin D. and or another reliever.
pitching pitching pitching!
Agreed on the pitching. Like RAB brought up the other day, I’m curious as to how much it would cost to take a flyer on Matt Capps.
Agreed on pitching, we need one more solid pitcher in case Joba/Hughes don’t pan out. Thome isn’t very good, Delgado might be a solid option and Johnson should get a multiyear deal from someone. Matsui was the perfect fit but oh well.
Yeah. While I think Joba and Hughes are/will be great pitchers, I also thought that about Kennedy and Hughes in 08, and there’s no use taking that risk twice.
It’s not the same risk.
It may LOOK like the same risk initially, but the more you think about it, the more you realize how different he situations are.
2010: not 2008
well, if we do manage to get damon at a reasonable price, i’d assume it’d look more like this:
Jeter
Damon
Tex
Alex
Jorge
Robbie
Granderson
Swish
Melk
Rosenthal’s got Escobar pitching in front of teams in Venezuela today. I’m starting to think that’s a ride we should jump on. He’s good for SP depth and, if need be, he can go back to relieving.
HELLS YES
He’s been quoted as saying that he wants to come back as a RP. Him and his doctors aren’t sure he can hold up anymore as a starter.
I heard he was planning to relieve all year to spare his shoulder.
Okay in light of what you’ve all said (links please, I’d like to write about it later tonight after work), then yes. Give him a small base, high incentive Major League deal. There’s a spot for him, especially if Dunn needs another half a year in SWB. Kelvim, plz.
Kelvim/Marte/D-Rob/Aceves: an awesome Bridge to Mowhere
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....ng9/091203
There you go!
I’ve advocated for virtually everyone on this list at some point.
I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.
So basically you are Jerry Crasnick….
(grabs a hank of rope, begins tying noose)
In my defense, I’ve been firmly anti-Vlad all winter long, I’ve been anti-Hudson for TWO straight winters, I don’t care much for the Putz/Myers chin-fuzz duo, and I haven’t expressed an iota of support for acquiring Rick Ankiel since the days Bush administration.
So, there is some difference there.
Still, if you’ll excuse me…
(seals up windows and doors, turns on oven)
lmao
DH… Why am i saying this… Milton Bradley…
No.
A) There’s still like 5-7 better options at either LF or DH
B) They’re all available on the market and not via trade
C) They’re all cheaper
D) None of them are legally insane
Annnnd BOOM goes the dynamite.
the best part of that video is when he looks into the camera and mouths “i’m so sorry.”
I was just going out on a limb, Cubs will pay most of his salary.
The Cubs could pay ALL his salary, and our interest should still be lukewarm at best.
I know that’s unrealistic, but if it were to happen and say all Yanks had to do was ship a marginal player back.
The Yankees interest should be every day of the week and twice on sundays.
I may have exaggerated to prove a point.
Noooooooo.
Translated: Chinese takeout.
I would like a 1 year deal to either Thome, Delgado or Cust to be the full time DH.
Sheets to a 1 year deal with an option. The 1st year would be heavily incentified.
Sign Chapman as well to bolster up that AAA starting pitching.
Championship!
One thing. Chapman likely wouldn’t start at AAA. He’s much more of a work in progress than people would like to think.
Agreed. I’m firmly in the “Sign Chapman” boat, but he’s a project. Tampa or Trenton is more likely, and an ETA of a September 2011 callup is probably the best we can hope for.
Chapman is a non-factor for the 2010 season.
+all of this
Agree with all, except where Chapman is pitching, but that’s a minor detail.
Melancon, McCallister, Russo, and Melky for Berkman. Who says no?
I do, there’s too many options that don’t require a trade still on the market, that’s way too much to give up
no.
Who says no?
Everyone.
ietc
Berkman is past his prime and a first basemen. A great player, but if you’re going to go get Berkman, you might as well sign Holliday or Bay considering Berkman’s defensive limitations and age.
I do. Why trade if there are cheaper ways to get a DH?
PLus, he may be a FA next year.
Vlad 1 year 7.25???????
matsui >>>>>>>> vlad so if mats got 6.5 then vlad shouldn’t get mroe than 5.5-6
If we didn’t sign Matsui though…there is no chance they sign Vlad.
Unless all other holes are filled and Vlad is literally holding a sign “will DH for food”
I think when the game of musical chairs ends, there’s gonna be a DH (dunno who) who’s gonna end up at a HUGE discount. There’s too many for too few spots. Whoever that ends up being is who we should sign.
I agree…but the quality of DH’s to choose from might sure be dwindling. But there certainly will be choices available.
Ben, Joe, and I are going to be out at an RAB power lunch for a few hours
Where we going? I specialize in International Business AND Innovation & Technology…
You’re in luck!
I’m in Murders and Executions.
/PatrickBateman’d
I represent sex offenders on the internet. We’ll call it a draw.
Are we sure matsui is really greater then Vlad?
If mastui went to the Angels that quickly, something had to have been said to his agent about the fact that the Yankees had no intent at all to bring him back.
Vlad for 5?
my point is, he is a nice option for a year.
Delgado is better…
Have you seen him run? He makes Matsui look athletic at this point.
Oh and by the way…
Are we sure matsui is really greater then Vlad?
Yes.
No thanks. If the Yanks are going to sign a full-time DH, IMO, it should be a lefty-power bat who can take advantage of the short porch.
Plus the fact the Vlady’s bat speed seems to be rapidly declining.
Which players on the free agent market are going to offer Nick the Stick multiple years? San Fran? I would think one year might get it done. Plays a great first and HITS LHP!
Plays a great first and HITS LHP!
Teixeira plays an extraordinary first…and Swisher showed that he ain’t so bad either…
BUT, I still think Nick “Long” Johnson will sign more than a 1 year deal. Then again…he may want a 1 year deal to prove that he’s healthy…so he can go back out and get more money the next year. He’s young enough.
When’s he ever gonna play first, though? Once every two weeks? I love Johnson (no homo, that’s what she said, etc.), but the Yankees will probably have to come with the big bucks (relatively speaking) to get him.
From last week:
I’d say the Giants and Mariners are still the top two options, but the M’s will probably go with Adam LaRoche instead. So, let’s say San Fran.
And no, they haven’t offered a one year deal yet, but they will, when push comes to shove.
See also: Mike Cameron
Just gonna throw this out there.. what about Pedro as a mid-season acquisition? He could solidify the starting rotation and boy that would be something to see him in pinstripes.
Did you see the way he got lit up in Game 6? I think he’s NL only at this point in his career.
marlon byrd anyone?
http://www.instantcrickets.com
I think you got the wrong number, buddy.
His home/away splits make you think his numbers are a byproduct of Arlington
His D would be solid – but he’s not worth a lot of cash and years
His D would be solid
Would it?
Yeah, take a look at his career UZR numbers. Not the greatest sample size, but enough to say he’s better than Melky.
I’m pretty much on the anybody but Melky bandwagon. I don’t like him, I don’t think he’s a good baseball player, and I sure as hell will not put him and Bernie Williams in the same sentence (save for this one).
Let’s say Mauer makes it to free agency. These are the only ways I see the Yankees adding him with the current budget constraints:
1) let Pettitte retire, replace him with a minimum salaried starting pitcher: McAllister or Nova?
2) with Cabrera on the roster, try and turn Montero into a left fielder
OR
1) letting Pettitte retire, if McAllister/Nova won’t cut it, trade Montero for a starting pitcher with less than 3 years service time
2) commit to Melky in left field long term
Is it possible this is why the Yankees are trying to shoehorn Melky into LF this off-season?
TUESDAY, 10:40am: Kovacevic hears that the Yankees are interested.
In talking about Matt Capps. that would be nice.
Do you think it’s the lack of a certifiable #2 hitter that’s the major thing putting Damon ahead of everybody else? Sure, he also plays defense…but extremely poorly and the Yankees have been using that as a catalyst to actually get his price down.
From who’s left, he’s still a very good hitter…but you could pay much less for perhaps more production from Delgado, etc.
Is it more than just the need for a legit #2 hitter?
I really doubt that’s ever entered Cashman’s mind.
Agreed. Lineup positions are pretty overrated. You know who would make greaet #2 hitters? Jeter/A-Rod/Tex/Swisher/ any other good hitter.
Exactly.
The #2 spot in a lineup is rather underrated. I wouldn’t mind being fucking crazy and making it Jeter-Tex-Rodriguez as the 1/2/3.
3>2>1>4>5>6>7>8>9 IMHO
The problem with that lineup is that after the first inning, the number 9 hitter (with his likely bad OBP) would be coming to bat ahead of Tex and A-Rod. You ideally want more good OBP guys ahead of your big power guys. It’s the same reasoning that leads to more runs being scored if the pitcher bats 8th instead of 9th.
A better option would be Jeter-Swisher-Tex-ARod as 1-4.
You could bat Swisher 9th and that would take care of the OBP issue.
Do people think that Cash either got a little flat footed or overestimated the market for Matsui a little bit?
It seems hard to believe that Cash wouldn’t have jumped all over Matsui at 1 yr. 6.5 million (you have to guess that all things being equal money and year wise, Matsui would have chosen the Yanks over the Angels). Perhaps Cash just wrote off Matsui early on because he felt that someone would have given him more years or more dollars than he actually ended up getting. Or perhaps he felt that Matsui could have been had for one year 6-7 million, but only after he spent more time trying to find a better deal (a la Abreu last year). Either way, it seems as if Cash didn’t think that Matsui could have been had for 1 yr 6.5 million in mid-December.
I have to believe that, otherwise this whole thing just doesn’t make sense. If we go outside for a DH solution, (Vlad, Thome, Delgado, etc.), we can’t possibly save that much money over what Matsui will make for the Angels. And there is no pure DH out there who would fit the role better than Matsui. If the whole issue is we wanted a DH who could replace ( or nearly replace) Matsui’s hitting production also play the field, wouldn’t that guy be worth at least 6.5 million?
Furthermore, 6.5 is such a relatively small amount that we could pretty much have made up for it without doing THAT much (non-tendering Gaudin, for example).
Again, it just seems pretty hard to believe that Matsui for 1 year 6.5 million would be something that Cash would turn down.
But hey, Cash has one way more World Series championships than I have, so perhaps I am all wrong here.
you mean underestimated.
You mean “misunderestimated”.
Sincerely,
President George W. Bush
No, I actually did mean overestimated. In other words, I am wondering if Cash believed that Matsui would have gotten more years or more dollars and decided he didn’t want to get in on the bidding. If he knew that 1 yr 6.5 million was all it would take, I believe he would have shown greater interest.
I have no evidence to back this up, but I’m 99% certain that Matsui’s agent Arn Tellem would have taken the Angels offer to Cashman first and given him a chance to match. He most certainly declined.
The 1% is for the other alternative: That Cashman told Tellem to not bother giving him the opportunity to match, because he wasn’t interested in HazMat at any price.
It really is one or the other though. Matsui wanted to come back to the Yankees, obviously.
Its not like the Angels pulled a stealth move here. It was confirmed and verified that the Yankees would not match that offer.
If Cash didn’t jump on 1 yr/ 6.5 mil for HazMat he never had any interest in bringing him back IMO. Which means they know something that we don’t about his knees.
Agreed. Even as a DH, Hideki is far from a sure thing to play 140+ games next year. As a hitter, once your legs go….toast. Better to let him go a year early than a year late, especially with so many other options out there.
I think the Yankees really just want to have Damon back and then call it a day, in terms of offense. Basically 2009′s lineup minus Matsui plus Granderson. Which would be fucking awesome.
Yeah, slight hit on offense, huge upgrade on defense. And with the pitching staff they have, tons of strikeouts+strong(er) defense means more outs and less runs.
Its debatable whether its even a hit on the offense, honestly. In YSIII, 29 year old, a 100% healthy Granderson could very well outslug Old Man Matsui. Plus Granderson will project to play, what, 155 games during the regular season?
It doesn’t even mean he knows something we don’t. Matsui has bad knees. Not one, but two of them. Everyone knows this. Cashman is not willing to take the chance on him. The Angels are. End of story.
People always play the “they must know something we don’t” card. Like with Jason Bay. The sox aren’t resigning Bay, so they must know something we don’t. Maybe we all know that Bay can hit and can’t field. And maybe they felt Lackey was the better big name for their team.
What I’m saying is while most people assume Matsui is physically capable of replicating his 2009 production, they obviously know/feel that he is not.
I’m not trying to play a “card” and I’ll probably use different phrasing in the future.
Right, what i mean is just that, most of the teams have the same information on a player’s health or ability. The Yankees have a hunch, an inkling, a premonition, that Matsui is near the end; the Angels on the other hand, think he has one more year left in him. Both came to different conclusions from the same information.
He didn’t get caught flat-footed, he decided that there are a ton of DH options, as it’s the easiest position to fill, and he didn’t want to commit to one right now. Matsui is a good bat, but he’s eminently replaceable.
Really? I understand in theory that DH bats are the most fungible assets out there in baseball (other than middle relievers). But is that actually the case right now on December 15, 2009?
Who out there do you feel will replace Matsui that you can get for one year 6.5 Million? I haven’t checked his numbers recently, so I don’t know, but is Thome the answer? Do we feel like he still has enough left that we won’t feel any drop off from Godzilla? Again, I don’t know if this is true or not, I am just asking.
I find it very hard to believe that Delgado or Vlad can replace Matsui. In fact I don’t believe it. Who else is out there?
What matters is that Cashman believes it. Further, it seems that he believes 2010 Matsui won’t equal 2009 Matsui.
There are plenty of viable DH options out there, Thome being my personal favorite, so don’t worry about that part. The real thing to keep in mind is that HazMat was really good last year and it’s possible that no one (including him) will match that production in 2010.
What matters is that Cashman believes it.
And Cashman knows a LOT more than the rest of us.
Yup. I respect Cashman’s evaluations more than my own, by a large degree.
My point re: a DH option that could replace or nearly replace Matsui’s hitting production and play the field wasn’t very clear.
Here’s what I meant: That guy would be worth at least 6.5 million and probably way more. That guy would probably also want more than 1 year. Consequently, if we are trying to save money at the DH position, signing “that guy” would not allow us to accomplish this goal. Finally, I do not believe that “that guy” exists on the market currently, though I would be happy to be proven wrong.
No, I don’t think he was caught flat-footed. I think he has an alternative in mind.
is the Cards offer a fact or just speculation/ a rumor?
I’m hoping there are a bunch of option years and the Yanks swoop in and get him with a 5/90 deal.
WHo’s going to patrol the posts!
I nominate mryankee.
If people aren’t in favor of trading for Grady, Verlander, or Halladay.
BAM, YOU’RE GONE BUDDY!
Exactly.
It’s not a Kansas City Royals thread after all!
dbhof
You said his name, and then he appeared….
Thought I had to say it 3 times for him to appear.
So did I, unless TSJC said it the other 2 times under his breath…..
(reaches under mattress, pulls out shiv)
Halladay. Hamels. Happ.
Is it too late to get Haren and Harden?
Are you talking about us? Or the Phillies? I’ll assume you’re talking about the Phillies.
Still available to join the Philadelphia rotation:
Mike Hampton
Livan Hernandez
Orlando Hernandez (hey, they signed Pedro… it fits)
Mark Hendrickson
Matt Herges and Bobby Howry (convert them back to starters)
Aubrey Huff (I’m sure he could handle it)
Kei Higawa (think about it)
Kei Higawa used to lead the league in strikeouts!
Check this out: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....llace.html
The Jays are flipping the newly acquired Michael Taylor to the A’s for Brett Wallace. Interesting.
Holy shnikes.
Very interesting.
Wallace is the better bat, and closer, but… if I’m Toronto, I may prefer Taylor. They need outfielders, IMO.
Also, I think Oakland needs corner bats more than they need outfielders. I don’t get this trade much.
Whatevs, they know their farms better than I do, probably.
They already have Wells. What use do they have for Taylor?
Vernon Wells sucks balls.
Play Taylor, bench Wells, pay Jeff Gillooly to fuck up his knee, and see if you can get out from under the contract with insurance money.
oh SNAP. A Tonya Harding reference!
Its 1994 all over again.
“OWWW MY LEG WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH”
/Nancy Kerrigan’d
why me?!?!?!?! why me?!?!?!?!
Guess they weren’t sold on E5 for 3B
To respond to everyone: I’m equally confused by this.
I can accept Melky playing LF…
I think the Yankees should pick up a DH and a pitcher(Sheets) and theres your offseason.
Why? Melky is a bad player.
Just went to lunch…a lot of chatter on WEEI. The Red Sox are in talks with the Padres about Adrian Gonzalez…obviously. Mike Cameron is taking his physical today (Lackey did yesterday)…and Nick Johnson has confirmed that he has been in negotiating talks with the Red Sox as well (according to Gordon Edes). My guess as a fall back option if Adrian doesn’t get dealt. Olney seems to believe that the Sox would throw out Kotchman at 1B and Youkilis at 3B if Beltre can’t get signed for under 8 figures a year but I doubt it.
Everybody is so surprised that the Yankees didn’t grab Lackey. I’m not. And I’m certain I’m not the only one.
It was real annoying the other day when they kept saying “the reason the Yankees didn’t get Halladay is because they didn’t have the prospects to land him.” Assuming that since we traded our “#1 prospect” Austin Jackson to Detroit for Granderson…nobody else was any good. Oh well.
Just went to lunch…a lot of chatter on WEEI.
That’s where you took a wrong turn.
Turn off WEEI.
That’s all I get! ESPN Radio doesn’t come in clear, 660AM doesn’t come in clear. There really isn’t anything else to possibly listen to. I basically had it on because of the Hot Stove…if it were an idle Tuesday in March…I wouldn’t think of it.
WEEI is doing it’s best to try to take over New England, I’ll give you that….
there wasn’t any Rush Limbaugh you could listen to?
Go on eBay, buy a used Walkman and a nice EPMD tape.
Or, listen to NPR or the news or music. Do something else, something that doesn’t kill your braincells.
Does Ordway still lead the “Big Show”? It provided endless amusement – imagine taking the worst WFAN callers, and give each one about 5 minutes.
When I was in grad school, the worst/best was the Big Show with Eddie Andelman. It was a bit like Jerome Mittelman (and his speshul friends) having his own radio show
You can stream WFAN and 1050 ESPN radio – I’d much rather hear Benigno talk about the Mets for 3 hours
98.5 the Sports Hub?
This is what it’s come to. Majority of my friends are annoying Red Sox fans, I’m forced to listen to WEEI if I want to listen to sports radio, and not only do I not get the YES Network in CT but they black out the Yankees when they are on ESPN, TBS, etc. because Major League Baseball THINKS I do get the YES Network.
It’s aggrivating and you can see why sometimes I’m a little uptight lol
Where in CT you at? You must be pretty far east of the river. I thought they just got YES up at UConn recently? Matty would have to correct me on that though.
RI might as well be part of Massachusetts, so it’s not like you’re getting much relief from their radio stations.
Yeah, I live a 1/2 hour east of Hartford and I get YES (though ESPN radio doesn’t come in most days, not that I’d subject myself to that often).
Yeah I’m basically on the border of Massachusetts…but we’re technically suppose to get the YES Network…it showed up when they were setting up the cable…but quickly disappeared once I got excited.
I used to live in Western Mass and now live here for the time being to save some money. It’s not the wealthiest section in the world and they basically had to pick between keeping NESN or YES (due to how expensive it is to carry)…and seeing how close they are to MA, they chose NESN…YES Network got mad and now the fans get screwed. I can’t even order the baseball package because it gets blacked out. I have, however, ordered the radio thing and put it on all season. It’s still extremely inconvenient.
YES Network is available as far “north” as Bradley Airport…which is said to be “Hartford” on itineraries and terminal screens…but it’s actually 10 minutes north of Hartford, in Windsor Locks. Then I believe it’s not offered anywhere above that…which is like less than a handful of towns…which is annoying.
I can’t even order the baseball package because it gets blacked out.
This is just redic.
Best recommendation, buy a Slingbox for a friend that lives in an area with YES.
It’s aggrivating</b
Indeed, it is.
and you can see why sometimes I’m a little uptight lol
No, I can’t. Find better coping mechanisms. Learn Tai Chi. Drink chai tea. Meditate. Practice frequent tantric sex. Go to rehab.
Do something, other than your current cycle of “listen to stupid Red Sox propaganda, panic, overreact, annoy others with your panicking and overreactions, and then blame your shitty environment for your panicking and overreaction as if it’s valid justification when it’s not”.
You’re my homie, Rose, but that excuse does not pass muster. Plenty of us are beset on all sides with the rank stupidity of the unwashed and the ignorant. We deal with it by holding firm to the mantle of rationality and calmly dismissing the foolishness of the uneducated and lazy. You do the opposite, you allow the inane to root around in your brain and create fanciful spiderwebs of logical fallacies and leapt-to conclusions.
I don’t know how to say it any nicer than this, but: Deal with it.
Listening to EEI regularly would cause me to want to drive the wrong way on the Mass Pike at 530pm……
I come very close every day…
I thank the good Lord everytime I pull into the parking lot at night…
“Assuming that since we traded our “#1 prospect” Austin Jackson to Detroit for Granderson…nobody else was any good. Oh well.”
The Montero slight aside, it is nice when 2 of your 3 best prospects graduate to major league contributors, though.
The trick is not to give a shit what those assholes say. They know jack about the Yankees, and not much more, really, about the Red Sox. Nothing like getting paid to be a jerk-off!
Rare prospect for prospect trade:
Taylor for Wallace:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....llace.html
UPDATE: TUESDAY, 11:19am: A source familiar with the talks tells ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick that “nothing is imminent.” The source says Boras and Holliday “are still looking for something that they’re not finding.”
I guess that was all horseshit afterall…
At least 80% horseshit
If your name isn’t Pujols, you’d have to be nuts (N-V-T-S nuts) not to jump on 8/120
Gotta think it was 5/90 with some team options at the back end
Would you do 5/90 (that’s it) for Holliday? At this point (No Jackson in the future, no Cameron stop gap, LF market shrinking), I think about it.
Yes you do it you do what it takes to improve. Now is the worst time to be cheap. Your division rival is loading up by the hour or so it seems.
The Yankees should not make moves because the Red Sox are making moves. They should make moves that make sense for them.
Ok Matt Holliday to me is a major upgrade over Melky Cabrera. That is a need based move. Name 3 other respectable left fielders.
I’m not disagreeing that Holliday is good for the Yankees–he is–I’m disagreeing with your idea that they should do it just because the Sox made some moves yesterday.
Hell yeah! 5/90 for Matty H, I’d be all up on that. Which you already know.
Hehe, of course, of course.
If that deal did happen, I’d want them to structure it like the A-Rod deal–very front-loaded so it doesn’t shoot payroll too much.
But, as it’s been said, perhaps roll with Melky and a cheap DH then go after Lee this time next season.
Well if it was 16M AAV, my guess is its a semi backloaded deal where much of the money was backloaded into option the said option years, that would make the most sense for rejection.
Though the other likely scenario for “still looking” is Boras driving the price up further.
Ok if the Yanks want to be cheaper about DH-Sign Nick Johnson SP-Sign Ben Sheets ad Left field-I guess we are stuck with Melky Cabrera. I dont know what the delay is. I assume they will be in on Chapman.
I dont know what the delay is.
WHY THE FUCK IS MY BURRITO TAKING THIS LONG TO COOK IN THIS MICROWAVE?!?!?!?!??!?!??!
Sometimes I wish he would forget and leave a spoon or fork in the microwave with the burrito….
It’s almost as if mryankee is the devil offspring of Steve Lombardi and Mike Silva.
Ken Rosenthal tweets that Yanks are ‘very interested’ in Ben Sheets but beleive he is in no rush to sign, via MLBTradrerumors.com
If he wants $12MM, he can go fuck himself.
and somehow injure his anus in the process
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_fissures
Why do you care what they pay him? I dont care what they pay him, he is a serious upgrade and probably just as good as Lackey for a tenth of the cost.
/Bo’d
/Lanny’d
So Sheets at 9 mill or so is good signing but at 12 Million he is overpaid? This is insane.
Sheets at $9MM is too much as well. He didn’t pitch last year. At all. 0.0 IP. There is no reason to give him more than $4-5MM.
BUT THE YANKEES HAVE THE $$$$$. If CASH teh SUXOR doesn’t SPEND IT, we might as well BE THE ROYALS!!11!!
would give sheets a 2009 pettitte contract…$5-6M base + $3M-4M in incentives
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Now your nitpicking I mean come on man. 6 million lost in the sands of time.
No, I’m not. That’s too much money for a guy who hasn’t pitched since 2008, and was hurt when he did pitch. So, no big money to Sheets. I also don’t like the idea of, once again, retarding the growth of one of Chamberlain or Hughes. They need to be full time starters.
This offseason is turning into some kind of serialistic nightmare.
For you or for us?
He’s also a serious injury risk. He’s topped 157 IP, once since 2004, the one time being when he broke down at the end. And, oh yeah, ZERO IP last year.
Rosenthal says that we’re “very interested” in Sheets. Guess we were to assume that, but nice to see in print.
I am “very aroused”
[steps back carefully, quickly turns and runs away...]
Well Rosenthal “tweeted” it, so its far from “print”. In reality he needed some filler to kill time.
I like the non moves by the Yankees so far.
Here is a thought, what happens in Boston if Mike Lowell is not traded to Texas? $12 million is a lot to pay a player to sit on the bench or DFA.
In my opinion, I see Boston acting out of panic based on a poor season, the Yankees winning the WS, and the Yankees great off-season additions from last year.
Well they’re paying at least 9M of that contract either way. Also figure they’re not signing a 1B/3B until that deal goes through.
The deal MAY NOT go through because Peter Gammons was tweeting the other day that Lowell will probably need thumb surgery.
Surprised that the hip stuff came back totally fine but they wanted to reevaluate the thumb injury? Hmm…
Quickly looked for this but didn’t see it mentioned, so fwiw, heyman says we were willing to part with montero for halladay, but not hughes or joba.
Well all of you guys against trades must think that the sox possible aquiring of Adrian Gonzalez is the dumbest move ever made. I dont understand how anyone can be content with Miranda at DH and Melky in left field and no damon and matsui. Now is it to much money all of a sudden to sign Sheets and Nick Johnson? I mean the sox just signed Lackey they offered Chapman 15 million. Do they all of a sudden have some new money tree? And they may have to pay Adrian Beltre.
as gordon edes of ESPNBoston said: “….. the Red Sox, as much as they like to downplay it, have boatloads of cash with which to work.”
They dont need cash for this move. His contract is insanely cheap. That’s why the price in players will be crazy.
yes, was responding to mryankee’s comment about the sox having a new money tree
Oh, I know. i wasnt ripping on you or anything.
What the f do we have? They have more than us. The boat is passing right by the Yankees. I want to know how a lineup with Ellsbury-Pedroia-Adrian Gonzalez-VMART-Youk-compares to the Yankees at present.
Why don’t we wait to see how the Yankees offseason goes before we jump off a bridge? If they sign, say Damon and Delgado- the lineup compares VERY favorably.
Delgado? you mean Carlos Delgado? Why not Nick Johnson he fits the Yankees philosophy he came up with them. Why have they no interest in Nick Johnson. Another player who looks like he is going to Boston.
Nah, I mean Jimmy Delgado. Nick Johnson is also an option. However, as has been said here many times, he probably wants to play first, and probably wants a multi year deal, both of which Jimmy probably does not want.
Jimmy probably won’t get*
Yeah but Delgado sucks and is old and injured. You may as well have signed Matsui. Instead of bringing in worse players.
Ok. So Delgado sucks, and is old and injured.
Johnson is injured all the time.
The Yankees didn’t resign Matsui, probably because they didn’t trust his knees.
Who, REALISTICALLY, would you want to DH for the Yankees this year?
Does Delgado suck? I didn’t realize a .929 career OPS sucked.
I said Adam Dunn but I get shot down because we might have to give up someone to get him. I mean those 50 hr guys really hurt your offense.
Hell, in 2008, when he was healthy, he had an OPS of .871.
You don’t sign Delgado unless you think he’s healthy…..but if he is, makes sense to me.
not if only dunn hit 40 HRs, we’d be onto something
mryankee, let me put it this way.
Option A:You see $100 on the floor, you have to a pay a $2 toll to go pick it up.
Option B:You see $125 on the floor, you have to pay a $30 toll to go pick it up.
Which option do you choose?
WE AREN’T THE ROYALS WHY DOES IT MATTER WHAT WE PAY
mryankee–I’d say the majority of people here love Adam Dunn and would love to have him DH for the Yankees.
However:
1. We don’t know if he’s available.
2. You’d have to give something to get him.
3. You’d only be guaranteed one season of Dunn.
We love Dunn, but it’s not going to happen. I’m a huge Adam Dunn fan, probably his biggest fan around here, but the Dunn-to-the-Yankees ship sailed this time last year.
I f I amke millions of dollars a year what do I care what option.
As Michael Douglas said to Charlie Sheen in Wall Street. So I would say to Cashman” The ice is melting right underneath your feet”
mryankee
Wild overspending on injury prone players is what got us Carl Pavano and Jaret Wright. Give me a break with all this talk.
If I remember correctly last year everyone was saying CC didn’t want to play in NY, AJ was going to sign w/ ATL and Teixeira was going to BOS. How did that turn out?
Just because you don’t know Cash-$’s plan, that does not mean he doesn’t have one.
mryankee, when is the last time Cashman won a ring?
did they get an exemption by the commish to have a 12-man lineup?
Nick Johnson is always hurt. If the choice is Nick Johnson or Gonzalez for the Sox, I’d much rather they get Johnson.
Still, I wouldnt hate him on the Yankees. But it sounds like he still wants to play the filed and that’s not happening in the bronx.
There was an article linked in this thread saying the Yankees were one of the teams interested in Johnson.
Ellsbury is rumored to be in the trade proposal for A Gon.
you want to compare OUR present lineup with a fictional sox one…r u serious?
IF this trade gets done it will be the best player the Sox have picked up in years. But they will have to give up a ton of talent for him…and that’s why I doubt it happens.
Who or what exactly are you responding to?
Why are you surprised that the Sox have money?
I didnt see the tweet myself, but supposedly heyman said the yanks were willing to package Jesus for Doc…but not Joba or Hughes.
The only way I would trade Monetro(plus hughes/Joba) is for a young positional player like Hanley.
Do not feed the trolls!
You know what worries me? Matt Holliday wants too be a Yankee just as badly as Tex did. I wonder if he would take a shorter deal to wear pinstripes, though.
Why would it worry you for the best FA of 2009 to want to take a discount to play on your favorite baseball team?
Sounds rather appealing.
If he is willing to take a discount to play for the Yankees, great, I’m all for it. But I think that Boras and Holliday’s desire to wear the pinstripes might actually push Cashman to offer a deal beyond what I’m confortable with (read more than 5 guaranteed years at 18+MM per).
No.
Cashman isn’t going to go “Awww, pwoor lil Holliday. He wants to play for the Yankees, so he’s worth 6/120 to us now!”
I’d love ot be a Yankee because if I’m good I’ll be overpaid. That’s why he wants to be a Yankee.
With what is left in the market for FA/Non Tenders, it seems like very high risk for high cost. Why would the Yankees retreat from the plan put in place 2 years ago that seems to be paying off?
Some of these players might sound great because they are familiar but I liken some of them to investments in a Bernie Madoff portfolio.
I think some in here need to have a little more faith in the players on our team and wait until the July trade deadline and see where things are at. It is not like we are going to be 30 games out of first place by then.
All this talk about Boston move’s and how the Yanks are falling behind them is laughable (yes mryankee, I’m looking at you). Do you remember the Yankees ran away with the East last year and won the WS too? They did this in a season in which ARod missed a month, Teixeria got off to a very slow start, Wang basically contributed nothing and he used Guadin and Mitre for 15 starts, and Joba hit a wall after 100 or so innings. Moving Hughes to the rotation is better than anything Guadin or Mitre offers. A healthy Marte will fill in Hughes 8th inning role. Granderson is an upgrade over JD (combined offense and defense) and there are still plenty of serviceable DH, SP and RP in the market to fill in the rest. Plus it’s f’n December 15th. There is plenty of time. Like I said above, just because you don’t know Cashman’s plans, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one.
AAAAAAAAnd end thread! Amen!
BOOM LAWYERED!
Why aren’t the Yankees all over Kelvim Escobar???!?!
who says they aren’t? we all thought just a year ago that tex to boston was all but official. cashman is a ninja. embrace it.
also, not sure if anyone knew, but the yanks apparently declined sergio mitre’s team option back in november (according to the WFAN yankees hot stove site: http://www.wfan.com/pages/3189677.php)
so this further depletes our pitching depth. i would look at escobar/sheets for depth.
He’s still under team control (arbitration)
He was tendered a contract too, so he’s going to be around. Not sure what his status in terms of options is.
“Via Mark Feinsand, the Yankees have decided to not tender a contract to Chien-Ming Wang. Sergio Mitre, Melky Cabrera, and Chad Gaudin were all offered deals.”
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....red-21208/
He’s still around.
Mitre is still arb-eligible and under team control.
Hah. RAB posters got this shit locked down tight!
hahaha no kidding. wow. fail on my part.
If the Cards did actually offer 8 years $128 million, I wonder why Holliday hasn’t signed yet
1:30pm: ESPN.com’s Buster Olney hears that the Cardinals don’t believe many teams are competing for Holliday on the level they are. Olney says the Cards intend to stand by a five-year offer – that’s considerably short of the eight-year deal hinted at yesterday.
The Yankees have no intention of bidding on Holliday, according to Olney’s sources.
Then Olney’s sources do not know about Cashman’s Ninja like prowess.
I can’t wait to see Cashman’s next move. I’m sure he’s planning something that no one expects.
“Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman worked out in front of about 15 teams in Houston today, according to Jorge Arangure Jr. of ESPN.com. The Astros and Pirates were there, along with the Angels, Marlins, Pirates, Orioles, Yankees, Red Sox and others. The Dodgers weren’t there because they don’t have the money to bid, according to Arangure Jr.’s Twitter.
The teams saw the 21-year-old throw for five minutes two different times. Chapman’s fastball topped out at 96 mph and he also threw his slider and change-up. Arangure Jr. expects several teams to meet with him today.”
what, he doesnt throw 100? no more than 10 mil now.
Cuban lefty Aroldis Chapman worked out in front of about 15 teams in Houston today, according to Jorge Arangure Jr. of ESPN.com. The Astros and Pirates were there, along with the Angels, Marlins, Pirates, Orioles, Yankees, Red Sox and others.
Huh, that’s funny. In the wake of the Lackey/Cameron signings yesterday. ESPN was making it seem as if Chapman was going to work out in Houston for nobody but the Red Sox.
You say the Yankees were there too? Shocking.
In wake of the Lackey/Cameron signings, where are the small market Red Sox coming up with all of this money to now look at Chapman as well?
Those poor Red Sox, who have made a $100 million investment in their #4 starter. How can they ever compete.
“The Mets are close to signing Japanese pitcher Ryota Igarashi to a two-year deal, according to David Waldstein of the New York Times.”
WTF CASHMAN?!?!?! What are you doing?!?!?! I can not believe you are sitting on your hands while everyone else makes all these moves?!?!?! That’s it, lets pack in the season, there is no way we can compete now!
AND WHY THE FUCK IS MY BURRITO TAKING THIS LONG TO COOK IN THIS MICROWAVE?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!
/mryankee’d
If I had season tickets I would cancel them. This is getting utterly ridiculous. When is Cashman going to fill out the 75 man roster with his $400 million payroll? There’s only 110 days until Opening Day!!
So I’ve been wrong about the entire offseason so far (as have most of us).
But I’m going to keep pretending to think along with Cashman because that’s just what I do….
We will be waiting it out for:
1) Sheets
2) Damon
3) DH-types – Johnson, Delgado, Thome
4) Pen/Spot starter arms – JDeuch/Escobar
5) Swooping in and getting Chapman to bolster our prospect pitching depth??
Please tell me at least one of the top two here happen and at least one more after that.
Who here is the “Church of the Perpetually Outraged” on Shysterball’s blog?