My real point is that it would take Swish AND Abuelo to have a goot postseason to offset what would likely be a dismal one from Cammy.

You could rotate that scenario any which way. Two of those guys have to really outperform to make up for the sinkhole of the other one.

The reason is that they’re not elite offensive talents, so their skill set is weakened by premium pitching. I’m going to actually find a way to tally this up one of these days, my 1st attempt is admittedly poor.

Please, pretty please, stop posting your arguments for why you don’t want Mike Cameron. Do they need him like Gammons needs nudie pics of Pedroia’s older brother? No. But he fits VERY WELL into their outfield picture, with or without Granderson, Damon, Melky or Matsui.

So please, I beg you all. Post all you want. Debate. Argue. Facebook stalk 19 year old prospects. Site flawed UZR statistics. Imagine a world without ESPN. Just please, stop making up reasons why Mike Cameron on a one year deal is not a solid pick-up for the Yankees.

Good night.

My theory: The skill set relying on OBP+Power, with 125+K/year, at the expense of BA is likely to be exposed in the postseason, due to the smaller amount of PAs, and taking them against premium pitching.

My point: Since we already have two of these guys in our starting lineup in Abuelo & Swish, that’s 22% of the lineup that sports all the risks that this skill set raises. Ergo, we should not pursue Cammy, thus committing another 11% of the lineup to the same description.

My crudimentary research has yielded thusly:

Note: I am not a subscriber to baseball reference, so my search criteria was met with limited accessibility. Nor is this kind of thing my forte, but I was curious.

Ok, so I thought of McGwire & Schmidt off the top of my head, and ran a search in B-R for OPS leaders coupled with <.275 BA & further weeded through to over 125K/year. Also precluded anyone w/ <100 postseason ABs.

Mark McGwire:

162 game reg. season averages: .263/.394/.588/.982 138K

Postseason: 151 PA .217/.320/.349/.669 33K 21.9K%

Now it’s unfair to use cumulative postseason #’s due to the sporadic PAs & the SSS. To break it down, Big Mac had 7 postseasons in which he underperformed, and 3 in which he out-performed his career averages, for a net postseason underperformance.

Mike Schmidt:

162: .267/.380/.527/.908 127K

Post: 158 PA .236/.304/.386/.690 27K 17.1K%

For Schmiddty, he had 5 underperforming postseasons to 3 mean or outperforming ones. Net underperformance.

Jose Canseco:

162: .266/.353/.515/.867 167K

Post: 124 PA .184/.315/.398/.713 28K 22.9K%

Canseco had 5 underperformances to 3 mean or outperformances, although one of the unders he only got 1 AB, so it’s more like 4 to 3. Net underperformance.

Darryl Strawberry:

162: .259/.357/.505/.862 138K

Post: 145 PA .254/.345/.500/.845 38K 26.1K%

Straw had 4 underperformances to 6 mean or outperformances. Net wash.

Reggie Jackson:

162: .262/.356/.490/.846 149K

Post: 318 PA .278/.358/.527/.885 70K 22K%

Mr. October had 7 underperformances to 9 mean or outperformances. Net outperformance.

Jay Buhner

162: .254/.359/.494/.852 155K

Post: 98 PA *missed the cutoff, but he weighs in against my theory, & the 2 PA are negligible right* .306/.398/.624/1.021 28K 28.6K%

Buhner only had 2 subpar Postseasons, compared to 5 beastly ones. Big time net outperformance.

So we’ve got three guys who underperformed, and three guys who played to their mean level or beyond.

I’ve got to say I’m tired of doing this, so I’m going to stop after the three guys I’m talking about.

Mike Cameron

162: .250/.340/.448/.788 159K

Post: 112 PA .174/.309/.272/.581 29K 25.9K%

5 underperformances for Cammy to 1 outperformance. Net under.

Nick Swisher

162: .245/.357/.460/.818 142K

Post: 89 PA .155/.318/.254/.572 23K 25.8K%

Swish has underperformed 5 times to 1 outperformance. Net under.

Curtis ‘Abuelo’ Granderson

162: .272/.344/.484/.828 149K

Post: 59 PA .226/.288/.491/.779 10K 16.9K%

He’s only been in the Postseason in 06, and his WS #’s really dragged down excellent performances in the CS & DS. SSS abound, net wash.

In this limited sampling, I’ve got to say I’m thinking my theory doesn’t hold much water for guys that are excellent offensive threats, as all are on this list. All, that is, except for Cammy.

Cammy is the least offensive of any of these guys. IMO he would add more risk than he is worth, now that we have Abuelo.

Many apologies for reposting this monstrosity.

My theory: The skill set relying on OBP+Power, with 125+K/year, at the expense of BA is likely to be exposed in the postseason, due to the smaller amount of PAs, and taking them against premium pitching.

My point: Since we already have two of these guys in our starting lineup in Abuelo & Swish, that’s 22% of the lineup that sports all the risks that this skill set raises. Ergo, we should not pursue Cammy, thus committing another 11% of the lineup to the same description.

My crudimentary research has yielded thusly:

Note: I am not a subscriber to baseball reference, so my search criteria was met with limited accessibility. Nor is this kind of thing my forte, but I was curious.

Ok, so I thought of McGwire & Schmidt off the top of my head, and ran a search in B-R for OPS leaders coupled with <.275 BA & further weeded through to over 125K/year. Also precluded anyone w/ <100 postseason ABs.

Mark McGwire:

162 game reg. season averages: .263/.394/.588/.982 138K

Postseason: 151 PA .217/.320/.349/.669 33K 21.9K%

Now it’s unfair to use cumulative postseason #’s due to the sporadic PAs & the SSS. To break it down, Big Mac had 7 postseasons in which he underperformed, and 3 in which he out-performed his career averages, for a net postseason underperformance.

Mike Schmidt:

162: .267/.380/.527/.908 127K

Post: 158 PA .236/.304/.386/.690 27K 17.1K%

For Schmiddty, he had 5 underperforming postseasons to 3 mean or outperforming ones. Net underperformance.

Jose Canseco:

162: .266/.353/.515/.867 167K

Post: 124 PA .184/.315/.398/.713 28K 22.9K%

Canseco had 5 underperformances to 3 mean or outperformances, although one of the unders he only got 1 AB, so it’s more like 4 to 3. Net underperformance.

Darryl Strawberry:

162: .259/.357/.505/.862 138K

Post: 145 PA .254/.345/.500/.845 38K 26.1K%

Straw had 4 underperformances to 6 mean or outperformances. Net wash.

Reggie Jackson:

162: .262/.356/.490/.846 149K

Post: 318 PA .278/.358/.527/.885 70K 22K%

Mr. October had 7 underperformances to 9 mean or outperformances. Net outperformance.

Jay Buhner

162: .254/.359/.494/.852 155K

Post: 98 PA *missed the cutoff, but he weighs in against my theory, & the 2 PA are negligible right* .306/.398/.624/1.021 28K 28.6K%

Buhner only had 2 subpar Postseasons, compared to 5 beastly ones. Big time net outperformance.

So we’ve got three guys who underperformed, and three guys who played to their mean level or beyond.

I’ve got to say I’m tired of doing this, so I’m going to stop after the three guys I’m talking about.

Mike Cameron

162: .250/.340/.448/.788 159K

Post: 112 PA .174/.309/.272/.581 29K 25.9K%

5 underperformances for Cammy to 1 outperformance. Net under.

Nick Swisher

162: .245/.357/.460/.818 142K

Post: 89 PA .155/.318/.254/.572 23K 25.8K%

Swish has underperformed 5 times to 1 outperformance. Net under.

Curtis ‘Abuelo’ Granderson

162: .272/.344/.484/.828 149K

Post: 59 PA .226/.288/.491/.779 10K 16.9K%

He’s only been in the Postseason in 06, and his WS #’s really dragged down excellent performances in the CS & DS. SSS abound, net wash.

In this limited sampling, I’ve got to say I’m thinking my theory doesn’t hold much water for guys that are excellent offensive threats, as all are on this list. All, that is, except for Cammy.

Cammy is the least offensive of any of these guys. IMO he would add more risk than he is worth, now that we have Abuelo.