Comments on: Open Thread: Looking at the Granderson Trade http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:49:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: toad http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-715465 toad Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:11:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-715465 It doesn't make sense to me to calculate Granderson's value based on 5.0 WAR in 2012 and a decline of his option. If his option is declined it will be because he performed much below these projections, maybe under 3.0 in 2012. Of course I understand that you're just fooling around here, but even so there should be some internal consistency. It doesn’t make sense to me to calculate Granderson’s value based on 5.0 WAR in 2012 and a decline of his option.

If his option is declined it will be because he performed much below these projections, maybe under 3.0 in 2012. Of course I understand that you’re just fooling around here, but even so there should be some internal consistency.

]]> By: emac2 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-715189 emac2 Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:25:07 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-715189 Nice to see a clear proof of how much we overpaid for granderson. I don't agree with any of their actual values but they seem reasonable in relation to each other if not to an actual dollar value I would pay. If the opportunity presented itself would you trade AJ in a multi team deal that netted Roy for Philly and Lee for us? - 4th team would get AJ. I prefer Lee and like the idea of directing all of the good pitchers away for the AL east. Nice to see a clear proof of how much we overpaid for granderson. I don’t agree with any of their actual values but they seem reasonable in relation to each other if not to an actual dollar value I would pay.

If the opportunity presented itself would you trade AJ in a multi team deal that netted Roy for Philly and Lee for us? – 4th team would get AJ.

I prefer Lee and like the idea of directing all of the good pitchers away for the AL east.

]]> By: V http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714947 V Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:47:29 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714947 Yeah, no. Yeah, no.

]]> By: scooter http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714930 scooter Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:36:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714930 Isn't Ted now a-head? *cough* Isn’t Ted now a-head?
*cough*

]]> By: pat http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714925 pat Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:17:31 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714925 You know what I'm adamantiumly in favor of? Retractable metal claws. You know what I’m adamantiumly in favor of?

Retractable metal claws.

]]> By: JMK THE OVERSHARE's Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714924 JMK THE OVERSHARE's Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:14:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714924 Yes, he's a better pitcher. I said nothing to the contrary. But his value is only better if he <i>does</i> pitch a lot of innings. I wouldn't hedge my bets on that happening. He'll probably cost $9 million or more, meaning if our budget allows for about $14 million left to be spent, we're filling pieces with scraps and trades (which carry their owns risks). Maybe, just maybe you can pick up a lower-level DH for $4 million. On pure stuff, Andy is our #5 starter. We have four pitchers that could all be 1s and 2s. Not that they will, but it wouldn't be crazy to see them all excel. Sheets, with his risks, is just not a good allocation of resources considering our needs at this point. Sheets just isn't a <i>need</i>. We do have a depth problem with the rotation. Agreed. But I don't think we need a guy like Sheets. Skip Sheets, sign a Dusch-type, Wang or figure out a lower-cost option that can eat innings and keep you in games. They're not great pitchers, but I think they offer a better cost/benefit with our roster construction. /rambling Yes, he’s a better pitcher. I said nothing to the contrary. But his value is only better if he does pitch a lot of innings. I wouldn’t hedge my bets on that happening. He’ll probably cost $9 million or more, meaning if our budget allows for about $14 million left to be spent, we’re filling pieces with scraps and trades (which carry their owns risks). Maybe, just maybe you can pick up a lower-level DH for $4 million.

On pure stuff, Andy is our #5 starter. We have four pitchers that could all be 1s and 2s. Not that they will, but it wouldn’t be crazy to see them all excel. Sheets, with his risks, is just not a good allocation of resources considering our needs at this point. Sheets just isn’t a need.

We do have a depth problem with the rotation. Agreed. But I don’t think we need a guy like Sheets. Skip Sheets, sign a Dusch-type, Wang or figure out a lower-cost option that can eat innings and keep you in games. They’re not great pitchers, but I think they offer a better cost/benefit with our roster construction.

/rambling

]]> By: donttradecano http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714923 donttradecano Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:12:10 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714923 Knicks creeping toward .500 Knicks creeping toward .500

]]> By: Matt ACTY/BBD http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714922 Matt ACTY/BBD Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:09:56 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714922 Excellent use of "enraptured" by the way. Excellent use of “enraptured” by the way.

]]> By: Nostra-Artist http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714921 Nostra-Artist Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:09:32 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714921 I don't see how either of them logging MLB innings effectively sacrifices anything. They're helping the team win and learning the league in small bites. If they're good enough, they'll stick in the bigs. Blaming bullpen use on a failed pitching prospect would be pretty lame. There's no magic number of innings that pitchers need, it's more about learning, gaining confidence and maturing. I don’t see how either of them logging MLB innings effectively sacrifices anything. They’re helping the team win and learning the league in small bites.

If they’re good enough, they’ll stick in the bigs. Blaming bullpen use on a failed pitching prospect would be pretty lame. There’s no magic number of innings that pitchers need, it’s more about learning, gaining confidence and maturing.

]]> By: VO http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/open-thread-looking-at-the-granderson-trade-21155/#comment-714919 VO Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:07:39 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21155#comment-714919 He was, and is a bust. He couldn't even hit 40 homeruns. Betemit could have done that, waste of money. He was, and is a bust. He couldn’t even hit 40 homeruns. Betemit could have done that, waste of money.

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