Dec
18

Open Thread: Yankees All-Decade Team

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That’s right folks, more best of the decade stuff! If I had any foresight, I would have anticipated all of this and started a category for it, but alas. Today’s feature is the Yanks’ All-Decade team, provided by Scals at The Blue Workhorse. He provides a little blurb on each player, but I’ll trim it down and give you his roster:

C: Jorge Posada
1B: Jason Giambi
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Johnny Damon
CF: Bernie Williams
RF: Bobby Abreu
DH: Hideki Matsui

SP: Andy Pettitte
SP: Mike Mussina
RP: Joba Chamberlain
CL: Mariano Rivera

Four of the everyday positions are obvious. You can make a good case for Alfonso Soriano over Cano at second, though I won’t argue it too much. As for the outfield, I’m going with Gary Sheffield in right over Abreu. In 347 games in pinstripes, Sheff hit .291-.383-.515 with 76 homers and more walks (183) than strikeouts (175). Abreu was “just” a .297-378-.465 hitter with 43 jacks and far more strikeouts (276) than walks (190) in 372 games with the Yanks. Sure, Sheff was a jerk, but he was damn productive jerk.

The two starting pitchers are pretty obvious, ditto Mo at the back end. But Joba as the reliever of the decade? Come on. The guy made just 50 relief appearances (60 IP) for the team, which barely qualifies as a full season’s worth of work for an elite reliever. Tom Gordon, on the other hand, was straight up dirrrty in his time with the Yanks. Two years, 159 appearances, 170.1 IP with a 2.38 ERA and 165 strikeouts. Joba has the wow factor, but Gordon was pretty clearly the team’s best non-Mo reliever during the aughts.

What do you guys think, disagree with anything else? Talk about that, or whatever else you want here. The Knicks, Nets, and Devils are all in action. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

    Heh now it looks like JD came back to the Yanks last night and asked for 2/20.. Sorry JD, too late man.

    He really did a number on himself.

    • Salty Buggah

      1/7…take it or leave it. Let’s see if anyone else wants him. (Yanks offered 2/14 BTW last night)

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        It’s a shame, seems like he really did want to come back.

        • Paul

          It does seem like he sincerly wants to come back, and I really want him to return. I do prefer him over Johnson (I do like him though), but Damon really screwed himself (or Boras).

        • Zack

          I think we’re taking this a little too far.
          It was the same in Boston, he loves Boston, never leave, never ever go the the Yankees, signs with the Yankees.
          All year he loves NY, wants to retire in NY, then its 4yrs/40m and other clubs are interested, ok you’re talking to somebody else so ill go down to 2/26, ok you signed NJ now I have absolutely no market so i’ll take 2/20.
          Sure he loves NY, but at his price. And that’s his right to do, too bad he screwed himself.

          • sciorsci

            I think that’s 100% correct. I love JD as a Yankee, but we’re talking about a mercenary of the highest order: he has NEVER hit free agency and signed with his old club.

    • Ryan

      what about paul o’neill as the right fielder? i realized he was only there 2 seasons, but so was abreu and shef was really only 2.5.

      shef may have been a little more productive, but the initial list up theres got abreu > shef already, and for all the intangibles/team spirit pauly brought, i may go with him.

      also, if swish is here more than just the 1 year, i’d go with him, easily. i compare him to a modern paul o’neill with what he does for the clubhouse, and honestly, his production is right up there as well. he’ll never have the batting average, but his obp and home runs make him a valuable, valuable asset to the yanks. i can’t believe how much talk i hear about trading him away, i don’t get it.

      • sciorsci

        Reply fail?

    • Stephane

      How abt Jeff Nelson

    • http://www.thebaseballchronicle.blogspot.com Ryan Kelley

      C: Jorge Posada
      1B: Mark Teixeira
      2B: Robinson Cano
      3B: Alex Rodriguez
      SS: Derek Jeter
      LF- Hideki Matsui
      CF: Bernie Williams
      RF: Paul O’Neil (2001 World Series where his name was chanted…)
      DH: Nick Swisher (everybody loves Nick and he won a WS)

      PH: Aaron Boone
      Util: Luis Sojo

      SP: Andy Pettitte
      SP: Mike Mussina

      RP- Tom Gordon
      RP: Joba Chamberlian
      CL: Mariano Rivera

      Best Moment: Paul O’Neil WS, Aaron Boone homerun and Pedro’s demise, 2000 Subway Series, 2009 WS, Derek Jeter Yankees hit record

      Anti-All Decade Team

      C- Ivan Rodriguez
      1B- Travis Lee
      2B- Chuck Knoblauch
      SS- Enrique Gonzalez
      3B- Drew Henson
      OF- Matt Lawton
      OF- Gerald Williams
      OF- David Delucci
      DH- Jason Giambi (good production but steroids fiasco and no WS)

      SP- Kei Igawa
      SP- Carl Pavano
      SP- Jeff Weaver
      SP- Kevin Brown
      SP- Jaret Wright

      RP- Octavio Dotel (payed him for rehab)
      RP-Esteban Loaiza
      RP- Sterling Hitchcock
      RP- Paul Quantrill
      RP/SP- Jose Contreras

      Worst Prospects
      1. Kei Igawa
      2. Drew Henson
      3. Ed Yarnall
      4. CJ Henry
      5. Brandon Weeden

      Biggest Embarassment- Chase Wright against the Red Sox, signing Kei Igawa, anything having to do with Jeff Weaver or Drew Henson
      Most Hated Player: Carl Pavano hands down, but Jeff Weaver wasn’t beloved either.

      Worst Moment: Bobby Murcer passing away, Torre fiasco, Jeter shoulder injury, Giambi steroid use, Scooter passing away.

      Worst Acquisition: Kei Igawa (maybe the worst deal in history).

      • http://www.thebaseballchronicle.blogspot.com Ryan Kelley

        C: Jorge Posada
        1B: Mark Teixeira
        2B: Robinson Cano
        3B: Alex Rodriguez
        SS: Derek Jeter
        LF- Hideki Matsui
        CF: Bernie Williams
        RF: Paul O’Neil (2001 World Series where his name was chanted…)
        DH: Nick Swisher (everybody loves Nick and he won a WS)
        PH: Aaron Boone
        Util: Luis Sojo

        SP: Andy Pettitte
        SP: Mike Mussina
        RP- Tom Gordon
        RP: Joba Chamberlian
        CL: Mariano Rivera

        Best Moment: Paul O’Neil WS, Aaron Boone homerun and Pedro’s demise, 2000 Subway Series, 2009 WS, Derek Jeter Yankees hit record

        Best Acquisition: Sabathia, Justice for Ledee, Teixeira, AROD, Matsui

        Best Prospects:
        1. Hideki Matsui
        2. Robinson Cano
        3. Alfonso Soriano
        4. Chien Ming Wang
        5. Joba Chamberlain
        6. Phil Hughes
        7. Jesus Montero
        8. Melky Cabrera
        9. Nick Johnson
        10. Juan Rivera

        Anti-All Decade Team
        C- Ivan Rodriguez
        1B- Travis Lee
        2B- Chuck Knoblauch
        SS- Enrique Gonzalez
        3B- Drew Henson
        OF- Matt Lawton
        OF- Gerald Williams
        OF- David Delucci
        DH- Jason Giambi (good production but steroids fiasco and no WS)
        SP- Kei Igawa
        SP- Carl Pavano
        SP- Jeff Weaver
        SP- Kevin Brown
        SP- Jaret Wright
        RP- Octavio Dotel (payed him for rehab)
        RP-Esteban Loaiza
        RP- Sterling Hitchcock
        RP- Paul Quantrill
        RP/SP- Jose Contreras
        Worst Prospects
        1. Kei Igawa
        2. Drew Henson
        3. Ed Yarnall
        4. CJ Henry
        5. Brandon Weeden
        6. Jose Contreras
        7. Eric Duncan
        8. Ryan Bradley
        9. D’Angelo Jiminez
        10. Andrew Brackman
        Biggest Embarassment- Chase Wright against the Red Sox, signing Kei Igawa, anything having to do with Jeff Weaver or Drew Henson
        Most Hated Player: Carl Pavano hands down, but Jeff Weaver wasn’t beloved either.
        Worst Moment: Bobby Murcer passing away, Torre fiasco, Jeter shoulder injury, Giambi steroid use, Scooter passing away.
        Worst Acquisition: Kei Igawa (maybe the worst deal in history).

  • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

    As soon as I saw Joba as the RP choice, I had a similar reaction. He was never in the bullpen for a full season or full season’s worth of work. It’s more of the love affair with his bulldog eighth.

    On another topic altogether: it’s probably too soon to begin referring to Nick Johnson as Big Willie Style, yes?

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Johnson, Big Willie, I see where you’re going with this.

  • Crazy Eyes Killa

    Thats the ’08 team, minus Bernie, and they missed the playoffs!1!!!

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      Jorge Posada man. People can bash him all they want but losing him for 100+ games was one of the reasons we missed the playoffs.

      • radnom

        I think the fact that 40% of the starting rotation was Ponson and Rasner had more to do with it, but yeah, the Jorge hurt too.

        • Salty Buggah

          Ponson, Rasner, Giese, and a hurt Andy Pettitte. :shivers:

          Thank Mo for Moose.

          • JobaTheHeat62

            oh i never thought i would have to revisit that rotation again. if not for Moose I would have stopped watching games that season. oh my

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          and that Hughes and IPK combined for 0 wins in April/May didn’t help either.

        • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

          Yepp, losing him was one of several reasons.

          The team wasn’t built to win come October. Still, we can usually get to October based on our offense. When Jorge went down, shit hit the fan.

          • radnom

            The offense was an issue yes.

            BUT

            They still won 89 names while trotting out a shithouse rotation. I can’t exactly place the majority of the blame on the offense, nor can I attribute it to one player out of several who was injured (Matsui missed that year as well).

          • Salty Buggah

            Dont forget we missed Hideki, Jeter, and A-Rod for a significant time too.

            2008 just wasnt our year but it made 2009 feel that much better.

    • Ryan

      i think the idea is who were the best players, and if thats the case you’re supposed to imagine them in their respective primes. if thats the case that team is damn good. imagine the 2007 jorge, 2000, 2001 or 2002 giambi, 2007 cano, 1999, 2006 or 2009 jeter, 1996, 2003, 2005, or 2007 a-rod, 2009 damon, 1998 bernie, 2001 abreu and 2004 matsui. thats actually a ridiculous offense.

      • sciorsci

        I’m pretty sure you’re supposed to remember their production for the 2001-2010 time period, otherwise it wouldn’t be an “all-decade” team.

        • Spaceman.Spiff

          2000-2009 most likely

    • AJ Burnett’s Chin Music ensemble

      exactly nice catch on it being 08 minus Bernie…I’d replace Giambi with 3 years of Tino…Hey he got us to the show twice in the decade, winning one (counting 2000 why not?) and because he is Tino…heck even just counting 2000 and 2005…it’s Tino…Oh and Tom Gordon.

      • sciorsci

        (counting 2000 why not?)

        Because it’s not part of this decade? Details, details.

        • Once and Future Lurker

          If we’re calling this a decade (ie, 10 years), you have to count 2000. What we’re going to call it, exactly, is anyone’s guess, but 2000-2009 is most certainly a ten year span.

  • JSquared

    Tom Gordon was NaZtY!!!1!! Totally Agree.

    • r.w.g.

      Wasn’t Flash awful in the post-season, though? Or am I misremembering?

      I don’t usually get too hung up on post-season numbers (SSS), but wasn’t he like.. fucking terrible?

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Didn’t he also only pitch 2 years in New York?

        • r.w.g.

          Yeah. Two or three. I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I’m pretty sure he was like, staggeringly bad in the PS.

          Is he the guy who threw up in the bullpen cause he was nervous to face the Red Sox or something? Or was it the Marlins in 2003?

      • Tank the Frank

        Yeah Flash was bad in the postseason but he only pitched about 10 innings.

        It’s tough to pick a reliever because of the high rate of turnover in the Yankees bullpen. I think Gordon is a good choice (better than Joba anyway). If you don’t go with Gordon then you’re looking at guys like Mendoza, Stanton, and even :gasp:Kyle Farnsworth. They’re really the only relievers who have been with the team for extended amounts of time.

      • AJ Burnett’s Chin Music ensemble

        Gordon got lit up by the BoSox in ’04 10H, 6ER, 2HR…not what you want from your 8th inning guy!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Large samples >>>>>>>>>>> small samples

  • jay

    Without a market, i got this creeping suspicion, when its all said and done, Damon will be back, Melkster will gone for pitching and a 2011 run for Crawford, with JD dhing in 2011.

    maybe this is just wishful thinking though. Cause i truly did want him back.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

      I could see Damon coming back, easily. Melky goes to being the 4th outfielder, either Brett goes to Scranton, Hoffman goes back to LA or Hoffman stays by working out a trade with LA and gets sent down to Scranton.

      OR…….just sign Sheets and call it an offseason.

      Cash Money Trillionaire then goes pussytubing with Alex in Miami and the Caribbean.

      • anon

        Nah, I see Damon moving on. Some team will give him 2 years, and if he only gets 1 year offers what is the motivation to come back to New York really? It would be pretty obviously a one and done contract with the Yankees, and if he were to do a 1 year trial with another team he might impress them into keeping him around (a la Abreu).

        • jay

          I see your point, but one and done for JD doesn’t have to be the way. 2 years, on Yanks terms, allow him to DH next year. Which wouldnt be the worlds worst thing.

          I’m more concerned about a year of him in LF.

      • jay

        nicely done andy! would you be joining them??? Also make my night and tell me you dropped a Modern Fam refernce last night in the posts.

    • Chris

      I really don’t see the Yankees making a run at Crawford. He’s a clear step down from Holliday, but I wouldn’t expect his contract demands to be much less than the offers Holliday is receiving. If they want to lock up LF, then just sign Holliday this year (5/$90 or 6/$100).

  • Salty Buggah

    Grade the Yanks offseason so far.

    I will give it a A- so far. Cash made a championship team younger and better using lesser money. But I still want another starter for depth. Other than I’m good.

    • http://sportsshowlive.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      Want to make it a quick A+? Ben. Sheets.

      • Salty Buggah

        Yea, Ben Sheets automatically makes it A+ for me too

        • http://sportsshowlive.blogspot.com/ Joey H

          Totally regardless of how it turns out too. Too much upside there to not fork over some change on a short term deal.

    • radnom

      I would go with a solid B/B+. Replaced Damon + Matsui (making ~26 million) with two much younger players making about half that next season. I see production being similar.

      Only thing missing is starting pitching depth. Agreed that Sheets brings it up to an A+.

      • radnom

        Chapman would help as well. Not with the depth, but in terms of overall off season quality.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Not sure if its better just yet, but it’s definitely younger and cheaper. I have a feeling the Opening Day team won’t be better than the (healthy) 09 version, but will be deeper. If it’s deeper, we’ll win more games. Depth is highly underrated, but injuries always happen and have quality replacement players is huge over the course of a long season.

      If he signs Sheets/Wang and DeRosa, we’ll be deeper than last year’s squad at a lower payroll number. That’s a great job by Cash.

      • Salty Buggah

        I agree its not set in stone that its better. I’m assuming Johnson will increase his SLG after moving to YSIII and being another year removed from his injury that probably sapped his power. Also, I’m thinking Grandy will improve considering he will also in YSIII and not in Comerica Park.

    • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

      Eh, we had two holes and we filled em.
      /pat’d

      I say a hard A.

  • John NY

    Cashman today on Michael Kay’s show pretty much said Holliday is not coming. He said Holliday is a real nice player and there is mutual interest, BUT they simply don’t have the money this year.

    Hmmm….who the hell is hitting in the 5 hole?

    Jeter
    Johnson
    Tex
    ARod
    Posada
    Granderson
    Cano
    Swish
    Melky

    OR……..

    Jeter
    Johnson
    Tex
    ARod
    (INSERT AROD PROTECTION HERE)
    Posada
    Cano
    Swish
    Melky

    Yanks can’t be done yet this off season.

    • http://sportsshowlive.blogspot.com/ Joey H

      There were plenty of times you could have made the argument for Posada to bat fifth all year. I guess what factored into that not being a constant was his 111 games play and possibly having Cano/Matsui (LHB/LHB) Back-to-back. Gotta go with Jorgey.

    • radnom

      Your second line up doesn’t have Granderson.

      Really, the only person in this lineup who is replaceable is Melky. So if an Arod protector is acquired it has to be in LF. Damon? Holliday? They could both fill that role, but I don’t see either of them signing.

      I’m ok with Granderson there against righties, Posada against lefties.
      Or just play the hot bat.

      • Tank the Frank

        This. I’m still not sold on batting NJ 2nd every game. I think it will largly depend on matchups. I would like to see Granderson bat 5th, with Posada/Johnson batting 5th vs lefties. I think Johnson’s a good enough hitter to bat 5th.

        • radnom

          Out of curiosity, who bats second against lefties if you slide NJ down to 5? Swisher?

          To start – Granderson 5th vs righties, Posada against lefties. If Nicky J shows that his power is back from that wrist injury that yes, I think you can put him in the discussion for the 5th spot against lefties.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            NJ has a reverse split, he hits lefties better than righties.

            • radnom

              I know, which is exactly why I would consider him for the 5 hole against lefties, assuming he shows some regained power.

              I didn’t mean it as a demotion, more of a restructuring to address Gradnerson’s wild platoon splits. Replace NJ’s OBP in the two hole with Swisher and move Johnson to 5 to replace Ganderson.

              I think just swapping Posada and Granderson is a better move though.

              • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

                Personally I’d rather Robbie hit 5 than NJ.

                • radnom

                  Not a bad choice either.

                  I still think it is Posada’s spot to lose (against lefties).

                  But really….it doesn’t matter a whole lot.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  I agree with what I believe Mike said earlier: “The 5-6-7-8 batters between Posada-Granderson-Swisher-Cano can pretty much be any order you like.”

                  They’re all solid .340 to .380 OBP guys and all solid .460 to .480 SLG guys. Their batting lines, both career and recent history, are actually surprisingly similar across the board. We basically have 4 guys who are all ideal #5 hitters, so just stack them up any way you like.

                  I’d say the likeliest option is to put Posada at #5 out of loyalty/deference to him, and the three younger guys slot behind him, with Swish in the #7 spot to break up the lefties.

                  So, it’s either Posada-Cano-Swisher-Granderson or Posada-Granderson-Swisher-Cano, IMO.

                  Nick stays in the #2 hole all year long. He’s the best OBP guy on the team, easily, and he doesn’t have a platoon split. And, his lefty bat keeps the alternating handedness theme from last year going, replacing Johnny’s bat there.

                  1- The Blazing Copper Horse (R) (locked)
                  2- Stick Johnson (L) (locked)
                  3- The Best Tex I Ever Had (S) (locked)
                  4- Nails Krzyzewski (R) (locked)
                  5- Urine Trouble (S)
                  6- The Lazy Dominican (L)
                  7- The Most Interesting Man in the World (S)
                  8- My Man, 100 Grand (L)
                  9- Marellky Gardbreramann (S/R/L) (locked)

    • Rod

      Protection is a myth and in any case, A-Rod is going to have guys on base all the time, they can only pitch around him so much. And if they do pitch around him, it isn’t like the next four guys are Miguel Cairo.

      • pollo

        Don’t know if this has been said here before, but Juan Miranda’s been taking reps in Left.

        Jus’ Sayin’

        • AJ Burnett’s Chin Music ensemble

          I like getting Juan Miranda some time…who knows he may be the 2nd coming or he may end up being Shelly Duncan…but then if can’t play LF he ends up DH/1B after Tex & johnson.

          • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

            I’m sure they’ll look at him play LF during Spring Training. I wouldn’t get my hopes up, though.

  • r.w.g.

    I’m not sure where JD can go ply his trade. Before the move to YSIII, he had like 17 HR and 12 HR in the preceding seasons.

    He had 24 this year, but 17 came at home, with the aid of the now-eight-feet-shorter short porch.

    Giants need a hitter, but I would think that deep right field would really kill his HR numbers. Like, significantly.

    STL if they don’t sign Holliday? Maybe BOS if they move Ellsbury in a trade? Places like TEX, CIN.. other bandboxes, don’t really have an opening for the guy or don’t have the inclination to spend the money.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Kansas.
      City.

      Your mind… it is blown.

    • whozat

      Just because it’s obvious to us that Damon would be a bad fit in SF doesn’t mean that Sabean won’t go get him. He’s a Proven Winner, and a Great Clubhouse Guy who Plays The Game The Right Way.

      That’s the Brian Sabean trifecta.

  • http://sportsshowlive.blogspot.com/ Joey H

    A few things I found staggering about this article:
    1, He almost gave Teix consideration as the first baseman. Sure we all love him, but c’mon.
    2, We also all love Robinson Cano but you gotta give Alfonso more credit. Sure he really only had monster years in 2/5 spend in pinstripes but he got us A-Rod. That’s worth a lot.
    3, Joba. ………..

  • Salty Buggah

    http://www.wfan.com/Cashman-s-Folly/5927781

    :facepalm:

    It’s a pretty bad article overall but the last 2 paragraphs are the worst.

    • V

      People like that should not be allowed to write articles. Wow.

    • Tank the Frank

      It’s WFAN…

      They’re a Mets station.

      • NDR

        Funny thing is Nick would have been a great low risk/high reward signing for the Mets.

  • TheZack

    Doing an all deacade team for the 2000’s seems kind of silly. The team really didn’t change that much. There was the shift from the late 1990s team and then the shift last season, but for the most part, that team has been dominated by the same players. Yawn.

    • radnom

      Yeah.

      I mean an all-decade-team isn’t absurd, but going through and looking at each position is a little much considering there are only a few legit debates in that lineup for the reason you mentioned.

  • Dan2

    If he put together a 4 or 5 man rotation, would you go with Wang and Clemens in the starting rotation? He went 69-32 with a 3.86 ERA in this decade for the Yankees

    • radnom

      Which one? Clemens right?

      Those seem like good options to me. Who else would be up for consideration? No one even stands out.

      • Tank the Frank

        El Duque? David Wells? Randy Johnson pitched well in 2005…

        I’d have to go with Andy, Moose, Wang, Clemens, El Duque.

        • radnom

          Wells only pitched 2 seasons for us in the 2000’s. One was pretty good.

          I think El Duque would be my choice as well. Four seasons, all pretty productive.

          Only…..looking up his stats…..what happened to him in 2003?

          *I looked up the answer to my own question. He was injured the entire year for the expos. I remembered the Yankees trading him/reacquiring him, but it was weird how b-ref just showed a blank year in 03, no team so it looked like he just took a year off and never left the Yanks.

  • Tom Zig

    If you had to pick one of the following, who do you pick and why:

    Wang
    Sheets
    Bedard
    K. Escobar

    • Tom Zig

      add to the list: Justin Duchscherer

    • radnom

      Sheets.

      Why?

      If health he is the best of the four. Also, the second best starter on the Yankees. You can also make the argument that he is comming back from the least severe injury of the group.

      Why not the other guys?

      Wang – unlikely he ever fully recovers, not as good as Sheets in his prime anyway. Also, not expected to be ready until mid season.

      Bedard – again, shoulder trouble like Wang, less certain he can come back. Also a bit of a headcase, has publicly said he doesn’t want to pitch for a big-market team.

      Escobar – biggest longshot, coming back from the worst injury. Has said he wants to pitch in the bullpen next year to preserve his shoulder. Would not mind taking a flyer on him to fill out the BP (minor league deal) but Sheets is much more important.

    • Reggie C.

      Sheets.

      Mike Axisa: “Go big or go home.” Can’t be better put.

    • Pasqua

      And while I’m not a “team chemistry is the key” guy, I can’t help but be put off by everything I’ve ever heard about Bedard, which is to say that he’s a malcontent who isn’t exactly always chomping at the bit to get on the mound. He would wilt in the NY media’s spotlight.

  • sciorsci

    Since, you know, 2010 is actually part of this decade, how about we wait a year until deciding on “All-Decade” teams? Is that a ridiculous thought?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The decade is the 00’s, 2000-2009. The 10’s are the next decade, 2010-2019.

      • http://dinosaursneverexisted.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/melky.jpg Drew

        Yeah but are the era’s the same?

      • sciorsci

        What do you think was the first year of recorded history, 1 or 0? Quick answer: 1. Which means the first decade was 1-10, the first century was 1-100, the first millennium was 1-1000, etc. The 2000’s are actually 2001-2010.

        Just sayin’.

        • Spaceman.Spiff

          That’s not how people measure it in this context though. Sorry.

    • http://www.facebook.com/TaintStick Taintstick

      Do you consider 1990 to be part of the decade of the ’80s?

      • radnom

        You know, I was thinking this whole thing was pretty arbitrary until you brought up this point.

        Makes it much more obvious.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        You know why 1401-1500 is called “The fifteenth century”?

        Because it ends in 1500. The 20th century ended in 2000.

        • Once and Future Lurker

          Decades and centuries differ on that point, says Wikipedia. The 20th century did end with 2000, but the decade of the 2000’s will end at the end of this year, according to the common usage of the word.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Sure, that works.

            All this is arbitrary anyway. Centuries and decades and any era of years starts and ends where we all want it to.

    • Bob Stone

      The decade is 2000 through 2009. 2010 starts a new decade.

      • AJ Burnett’s Chin Music ensemble

        well the if the franchise started in 1903 as The Highlanders…and the Yankees in 1913…then shouldn’t we just count our decades by the 3’s…fuck all that Boston Sucks, Angels Suck, Phillies Suck, Twins…yeah they suck…Yankees World Champs in ’09…looking to repeat in ’10 and then start fitting Girardi for a new jersey with the #29 on it…and maybe see if LeBrond James can LF!!! GO YANKEES!!!!!!

        • Bob Stone

          To keep the decades by 3’s thing going here’s a few additions. Can anyone fill in the blanks?

          1903 – Start as Highlanders
          1913 – Change to Yankees
          1923 – Open Yankee Stadium
          1933 –
          1943 – Yankees win the World Series over the Cardinals
          1953 – Yankees beat the Dodgers in the Series
          1963 – Yankees lose to the Dodgers (Koufax and Drsydale)
          1973 – Steinbrenner Era Begins
          1983 –
          1993 – Last year of not making playoffs before the 1994 (Yanks in first and way ahead before the strike started) to 2007 run.
          2003 – Last visit to the World Series until 2010.

          • Bob Stone

            2013 – Yankees win fifth consecutive World Series.

            • Bob Stone

              1953 – Yanks World Series victory is fifth consecutive.

          • bobtaco

            1983 – Don Mattingly Era begins

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

    http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=13328#comments

    Just finished this a few minutes ago. If any of you people have to transcribe stuff for a living, you’re underpaid. Whatever you make.

    Anyway, Cash cleared up the ‘One spot’ stuff from yesterday. Long story short, if they get Sheets, one of Joba/Hughes goes to the bullpen. That really shouldn’t surprise anyone, but I know how ideological people get on this topic, on both sides.

    • radnom

      Which is reasonable.

      A healthy Sheets is better than any pitcher on the team not named CC.

      It would have been a little absurd if he was delegating one of the two to the bullpen for the sake of helping the bullpen, which the original quotes implied.

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      I Would prefer the dropped starter to develop their pitches in AAA. (I assume it’s more Hughes, since Joba will not have an innings limit and has shown more in limited time as a starter.)

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        This is of course under the assumption they sign someone like Sheets, something I don’t believe will happen.

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090810&content_id=6355462&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy JobaWockeeZ

      Great job on finding out Artist. It’s good to know it was hypothetical and not necessarily his plan.

      The rest of the media definitely blew this out of proportion because they love young starters in the bullpen.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      That really shouldn’t surprise anyone, but I know how ideological people get on this topic, on both sides.

      As one of the biggest “Joba and Phil are both starters and both should start” people, I will admit that Sheets is worth the possible delay of one of Joba or Phil’s developmental years (preferably Phil’s).

      Because
      A) Sheets is awesome, when on
      B) Sheets, unlike Lackey or any other number of potential import FA starters, would only require a one year deal, thus re-opening a spot next year if we need one for Phil
      C) Andy’s also on a one year, meaning if Sheets is good and we sign him to an extension, Andy can be shown the door to open a spot for Phil

      I’m 100% fine either way. If we add Sheets and move Phil to the pen, it will suck for Phil but Sheets’s upside makes it worth it. If we decline to sign Sheets and just give spots to both Joba and Phil, that decision is also a good one.

      Win-win.

  • AJ Burnett’s Chin Music ensemble

    Jeter
    Johnson or Granderson
    Tex
    AROD
    Posada
    Granderson or Johnson
    Cano
    Swisher
    Melky

    flip Posada and Cano if need be…Posada will be a 38 year old catcher next season and Robbie is gonna earn it by hitting .340 30HR 100RBI next season (just watch) and we’ll be like “Matsui who?
    I’m putting all my chips in on Robbie having an MVP caliber season (just watch)

    • Matt-Pitt

      Considering he is my favorite current Yankee, I would like this very much.

  • JobaTheHeat62

    i like the all decade team, but i agree with the differences you had. you gotta have sheff, and soriano, and def. tom gordon. i was so sad that year we didnt resign him, he was awesome.

    • radnom

      So was I, but we got Joba + IPK out of that so I’m ok with how things went down.

  • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

    I just want to say that I’m in North Carolina (Chapel Hill for sister’s college graduation) and Mo, I can’t believe people willingly live here.

    Horrible state.

    • aj

      Well…they’ll always have the….um…Tar Heels?

      • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

        Yeah…I’m there. Sort of boring. I’m over the college appeal. It all seems quite foolish at this point; and I love going on panty raids and date raping and stealing rivals’ mascots as much as the next guy…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          “and I love going on panty raids and date raping and stealing rivals’ mascots as much as the next guy…”

          The Overshare: always humorously inappropriate.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Petey Pablo?

        No? Nobody? Meh.

        • Tom Zig

          North Carolina…come on and raise up…take your shirt off!

          • Carl

            you must spin it like a helicopter.

    • Rod

      The Triangle and everything not Asheville and the coast is crap.

  • Hey ZZ

    Better 2010: NJ or Matsui?

    • Lower Case j

      NJ with the benefit of a much stronger line up

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Hmmmmm… Nick.

      Not on production (I bet they’ll put up pretty identical OPS+ numbers, although Nick’s will be more OBP heavy), but in games played.

      I bet having him play DH all year long keeps him healthy. HazMat, meanwhile, will probably need to miss two or three small chunks of games every season for the rest of his life to have his knees drained.

      • radnom

        Especially if LA actually puts him out in left at all.

      • Hey ZZ

        I agree. While NJ and Matsui are both injury risks, NJ is going into 2010 injury free while Matsui is going into 2010 with the knees of a 90 year old

    • http://www.facebook.com/TaintStick Taintstick

      NJ is a beast. .477 obp hitting in front of Hanley. WTF will he do with both Tex AND Arod behind him? Shit is real.

  • Nels

    MLB.com’s Defensive Player of the Year is Jacoby Ellsbury and his .994 FPCT. For real.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      … sigh.

      Just when you think you’ve turned a corner… you realize how much further you have to go.

      • Tom Zig

        Somewhere, Franklin Gutierrez sheds 3 tears.

        /TSJC’d

        • Sleepy Carl

          Gutierrez made like 8 errors where Jacoby only made 1!!!!!

          MSM’d

  • whitey

    Paul O’Neil

    • radnom

      ……………… ok?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        MATT DAMON

    • http://www.facebook.com/TaintStick Taintstick

      …should be nominated for Top 10 ovations of the decade.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    BREAK UP THE KNICKS!!!

    No, seriously. Break up the Knicks.

    ————–

    Something I read from Bill Simmons today, emphasis mine:

    I can’t wait to see how this plays out in the NBA. When you consider the influx of foreigners, the extended shelf lives of quality careers, the medicine/health strides, the positive impact of the rookie salary scale, the successful drug policy and the equally successful one-year waiting period for high schoolers, for the first time since the early ’90s, you can make a case that the NBA finally has enough talent to stock every one of its teams. Recently, I watched my Celtics almost lose to Memphis and found myself thinking, “Wait a second … is Memphis secretly good, or did my wife spike my drink?” And they’re 10-14. Really, there are only two hopeless teams right now: Minnesota and New Jersey. Every other team has enough talent to beat any other team on any given night.

    • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

      That’s a bold statement for someone who frequently shits on “narrative” for almost always being false. Simmons’ shtick is built almost entirely upon narrative.

      I’d rather see the Knicks terrible (novelty terrible, mind you) than mediocre.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I wouldn’t call it a “bold statement” as much as an “interesting paragraph to mull over”.

  • http://www.lennysyankees.com lenNY’s Yankees

    I don’t know what they were thinking with Joba as the reliever. 100 percent agree with you on Gordon, Mike.

  • jonathan

    The ONLY way I’m satisfied with what Cashman has done with the offense is if next year they’re planning to spend big again on potentially Mauer/Crawford/#1 pitcher and they didn’t want a bunch of multi year deals clogging up the roster. If Mauer gets locked up, Crawford gets traded or stays and gets locked up, Lee gets locked up and Webb isn’t healthy….we’re in trouble. All of those are very possible.

    I still think we should go after Sheets. His injury wasn’t nearly as serious as Tommy John and if we catch lightning in a bottle, we have the best rotation in baseball and can move joba/hughes to the pen in october. Imagine if the only pitchers that ever pitched in the playoffs were CC/AJ/Andy/Sheets Marte(vs LHB)/Joba/Hughes/Rivera. I’d be willing to take Wang back on a split contract, i know he turned one down but he wont get a better offer and his agent and Cashman say the door isn’t shut.

    Plus, the defense we gain of Melky/Granderson will make up for some of the runs we lose from last years offense. And WHEN Nick Johnson goes down hurt next year it will be a lot easier to find a DH than a pitcher that Sheets is capable of being. I just don’t get Cashman blowing all that smoke up our asses about getting more flexible and athletic and then goes and gets Nick Johnson coming off a power sapping wrist injury and a brittle body. And I’m pretty sure he’s Quasimodo…I’m still hoping Nick fails his physical and Johnny comes back.

    Is anyone buying the fact that we need to cut payroll after opening a new ballpark and winning the world series???

    • pollo

      I’m not buying it.

      But I’m buying the fact that Lee, Web and Crawford are free agents next year.

      • jonathan

        Imagine a lineup of:

        SS Jeter
        LF Crawford
        C Mauer
        3B Arod
        1B Teixeira
        DH Posada
        2B Cano
        RF Swisher
        CF Granderson

        Rotation of:

        CC
        Lee
        Burnett
        Joba
        Pettitte

        It would take about 4 major injuries to keep us from winning the world series.

    • Meat Loaf

      Ugh, dude, really? You’re really going to go there?

      1. We will not be in trouble if we do not sign Joe Mauer or a number 1, front-of-the-line starter. We have 2 of them (debatable but lets not split hairs).
      2. The only options for an additional starter next season are not Lee and Webb. Don’t panic.
      3. Melky has a -UZR/100. We don’t exactly ‘gain’ anything from that. Plus, I don’t understand how Melky results in a gain over last year when… he played all year last year.
      4. There is no guarantee Nick Johnson goes down with injury. If I could say stuff like that and have it be true, I’d be having a threesome with Eva Longoria and Betty White tonight.
      5. The whole point of bringing down payroll is to bring it down toward ‘acceptable’ league standards, plus make the team more profitable.

      • jonathan

        I’m not saying we wouldn’t be a good team. i’m just saying if we hold our cash for next season there’s a good chance our top targets wont reach free agency. And thanks for pointing out that there are more than two pitchers next year hitting the FA market. I didn’t know that. I should have typed out every single free agent pitcher available. If you actually look at it all i said was a #1 and there are several of them on the market next year. I’m not sure if you know this but playing LF is a lot easier than CF. Especially in Yankees Stadium. And UZR is really unreliable anyway but if you want to use it, his career UZR/150 for LF is 4.0. His UZR in LF in the 4 years he’s been here are 6.3, 17.9, -6.9, -19.2. Pretty random. And he was 2.3 in CF in 2009. Do you really think he was a 21.5 difference in LF to CF? So you go from the worst OF arm in the game and a -URZ to a strong arm and a positive UZR. How is that not an upgrade? The point is an OF of Granderson in CF and Melky in LF is a major defensive upgrade at both positions from damon in left and melky in CF. A run saved is just as good as a run scored. And Teixeira was -4.1 this year at 1B….he was awful all year wasn’t he? I think past results are a pretty good predictor of future results. And Nick Johnson is very injury prone and brittle. You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think he spends some time on the DL. And there are no acceptable league standards. There is no salary cap in baseball. We can have any payroll we want. Why would we run our business and team to cater to what other people want our payroll to be? And we aren’t the LA Clippers with Donald Sterling. We’re trying to win first, then make a profit. My point was our payroll was much larger when we didn’t just win the WS and move into a new ballpark, and the Steinbrenners weren’t exactly in the poor house. We shouldn’t sacrifice a better team so people think our payroll is “acceptable”. The Pirates don’t have to spend to get UP to “acceptable” league standards…why should we have to cut payroll at the expense of upgrading our team? If you’re that douchey and argumentative, answer that one negative nancy.

        • Meat Loaf

          /head explodes.

          According to Fangraphs, JD did not play center field in 09. So how did he have a 2.3?

  • joemomma

    i think we need a DNA test for Mariano Rivera…that guy just isn’t human

  • Brian

    Here is something kind of neat…re-enactment of the 1986 world series with RBI Baseball

    http://video.google.com/videop.....243429315#