Dec
03

Power meetings begin in Tampa

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Tomorrow will mark the one month anniversary of the Yankees capturing their 27th World Championship, but today Brian Cashman and Joe Girardi will meet with ownership in Tampa to discuss their proposed offseason plan and the 2010 budget in advance of next week’s winter meetings. Cashman, Girardi, and basically anyone with a voice in the front office met a few weeks ago to hammer out the details, and the first step of their plan was to decline to offer arbitration to all of their free agents.

“We’ll talk about some more things and gear up for the winter meetings,” Girardi said of today’s meeting with the Steinbrenners. “You want to know what you’re going to have when you go into spring training. As we saw last year, a lot of guys didn’t sign until real late, so I know it’s going to take time.”

Unlike last season, when starting pitching was priority number one, two, and three, the Yankees don’t seem to have placed much urgency on filling any of their holes. By this time last year, they had already offered CC Sabathia a massive contract and stolen Nick Swisher out from under Kenny Williams’ nose, but this year we haven’t had any actual non-rumor news at all. Being the defending World Champs allows to the team to be patient, and that’s going to be the theme of the offseason of the Yanks: patience.

Even though leftfield and designated hitter are legitimate concerns, free agent and trade options are plentiful enough that the team doesn’t have to go out and make a big splash early. Scott Boras won’t take accept any contract offer for Matt Holliday or Johnny Damon before giving Cashman a call. Arn Tellem will likely do the same with Hideki Matsui, and frankly any agent with half a brain would give the Yankees a chance to top any offer for their clients. Roy Halladay set a Spring Training deadline to be traded? Good, that gives Cashman three months to wait out Alex Antopoulos.

Aside: Here’s my mental image of Cashman during trade negotiations.

Despite their aggressiveness last winter, the Yankees have put themselves in a position to let the offseason come to them. I want to see free agent signings and big trades as much as the next guy, but the Yanks aren’t in such dire straits that they need to go out and declare that they’re the biggest kid in the playground like they did last offseason. Just be patient. The moves will come when they come, and they will be glorious.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Being the defending World Champs allows to the team to be patient, and that’s going to be the theme of the offseason of the Yanks: patience.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sltSm5mUniw (safe)

    • Evil Empire
      • Evil Empire

        (safe)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’m shocked this was posted by you, and not by Rose.

        • Evil Empire

          I’m fairly new around here. Is that Rose guy’s name as in Axl?

          • Rose

            You are correct, Sir.

        • Rose

          What is it?? I can’t see Youtube at work!!

          • Rose

            I’m guessing the Patience video…just was curious if it were a live concert version or not lol

            • Evil Empire

              It is indeed the Patience video. Pretty sure its the music video.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Cashman to Alex Anthopoulos regarding Roy Halladay: My offer is this: nothing.

  • Evil Empire

    Cashman is indeed the Godfather of General Managers.

    You’re absolutely right that Cashman and Co. can take their sweet-ass time their off season and let the market come to them. I just hope the agents show C-Money the proper respect and kiss his most recent ring before talking business with him.

    • Rose

      Cashman is indeed the Godfather of General Managers.

      Wasn’t that photo from Apocalypse Now?

      • Rose

        /sarcasm

        woops forgot to put that haha

      • Evil Empire

        Well, George Steinbrenner is a little reminiscent of Col. Kurtz.

        His last words could very well be

        “The championships … the championships”

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I love the smell of Tampa in the morning.

        • Rose

          Rosebud…

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Oh, and Mike, your mental image of Cashman is wrong. We’ve long since agreed that Michael is Hal, and Sonny is Hank.

    This should be your mental image of Cashman, talking to Joe Torre:
    http://tinyurl.com/cashmanandtorre

    And, this should be your mental image of the agents that Cashman deals with:
    http://tinyurl.com/cashmansopponents

    • Evil Empire

      I think that 2nd image could be accurately paralleled to John Henry as well.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        George Steinbrenner= Don Vito Corleone
        Hank Steinbrenner = Santino Corleone
        Hal Steinbrenner = Don Michael Corleone
        Jennifer Swindal = Connie Corleone
        Steve Swindal = Carlo Rizzi
        Randy Levine = Fredo Corleone
        Joe Torre = Frank Pentangeli
        John Henry = Hyman Roth
        Theo Epstein = Johnny Ola
        Stick Michael = Clemenza
        Michael Kay = Johnny Fontaine
        Brian Cashman = Tom Hagen
        Joe Girardi = Al Neri
        Luca Brasi = Howie Spira
        Damon Oppenheimer = Rocco
        Don Zimmer = Enzo the Baker
        Bud Selig = Jack Woltz
        Bart Giamatti = Senator Pat Geary
        Scott Boras = Virgil Solozzo
        Carl Pavano = Appolonia

        http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-590934

        • Evil Empire

          Wow. Fucking AWESOME.

          Michael Kay as Johnny Fontaine made me laugh.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Kay: I don’t know what to do, Godfather.
            Big George: YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN!!!!

            • Evil Empire

              Wait … so does this mean that if in 2010, Torre’s Dodgers faced the Yankees in the World Series … Torre would commit suicide?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Yes. We’d take care of his family, though.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Side-note: Did you watch any Dodgers games over the past 2 years?

                  Joe Torre may be dead already.

                • Evil Empire

                  Mattingly is pulling the old “Weekend at Bernie’s” fake-that-the-important-dead-guy-isn’t-dead trick.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    I want to see free agent signings and big trades as much as the next guy…

    Does that include all “next guys”?

    Because I can think of one next guy who wants to see them WAY MORE than you do.

    (unwraps burrito, wipes down microwave)

    • ColoYank

      You should never microwave those burritos while they’re still in their foil wrappers. Bad ju-ju.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        That’s why I unwrapped it first.

        • ColoYank

          /sighs with relief

    • Tom Zig

      This may or may not end well

    • ColoYank

      Seriously (for once), what moves make sense for the Yanks this winter? I doubt a deal for Halladay happens any time soon, and truly I doubt he ends up in New York, for either team.

      John Lackey? Very doubtful, IMO.

      Matt Holliday? Ditto.

      I’m looking to be pleasantly surprised by something Cashman does this winter, because I also doubt both Damon and Matsui come back. He may do something for the bullpen, but for the life of me, I can’t think of what it would be. Which is saying something, because I have no life.

      Just sign me, Doubting Thomas in Freezing Colorado

      • Rose

        I don’t see how he puts out a WORSE team than last years…this year. Everybody’s a year older AND on top of that…you let either Damon or Matsui go without replacing him??

        He’s going to make some moves. Everybody is a year older…Joba and Hughes have never pitched a full season and we’re also diminishing the bullpen by taken one of them out of there…and you think all he’ll do is plug in a much worse bullpen guy for more money…and just leave a crucial offensive force out of the lineup and call it an offseason??

        God, I hope not…

        • ColoYank

          No, I don’t expect literal standing pat. I expect something to happen, and I expect it to be a surprise.

    • Rose

      What flavor Icee you got today?

      Kiwi-cheddy

      Yuck

    • jsbrendog

      mryankee is lurking

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        OH SHIT YOU SAID HIS NAME HERE HE COMES

    • Jack
  • Crazy Eyes Killa

    I’m hoping we get some vet discounts from guys who want to win championships. I can’t reveal my source (so don’t ask) but I happen to know that Mike Cameron told Milwaukee he’d come back for 4mill, If he’d join the Yanks for that, they’d have money left to fill all the holes

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      …I can’t reveal my source (so don’t ask)…

      http://tinyurl.com/icallbullshitonthat

      • ColoYank

        My one of those has pictures, but they’re cheesy and they look fake.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Damn Photobucket bullshit.

            http://fred2blue.files.wordpre.....nosaur.jpg (safe)

            • ColoYank

              Safe for whom? Certainly not the Philistines, or … the Saducees (sp), or … other un-righteous type-guys.

              I wanna know how you tame a T-Rex – oh, Duh! Mo and Melvin do it.

      • Crazy Eyes Killa

        I feel you TJSC but I’m not bs’ing that, you can believe or not, (I prob would’nt) but it’s true….I don’t think he’d join the Yanks for that money anyway, but who knows

        • A.D.

          That would be quite the paycut.

  • JohnC

    Cashman has vowed to ‘make the Jays an offer they can’t refuse’.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You have 24 hours to give us Roy Halladay for Eric Wordekemper, straight up.

      And, to show you that we’re serious… you have TWELVE hours to give us Roy Halladay for Eric Wordekemper, straight up.

      • Marcus

        But with that you’re just asking for Theo to come in at the deadline with a Yakuza delegation offering Luis Bastardo for Halladay straight up.

  • mryankee

    I think the Halladay deal will go down over the next week or so Why wait if you know who is interested you start soliciting offers and pick the best one. You also hope Halladay will agree to pitch where you want to trade him. The Santana deal went down at the trade deadline and there is no reason this deal could not happen in a similar timeframe. Please no Lackey he is not anywhere near a suitable replacement for Halladay.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      The Santana deal went down at the trade deadline and there is no reason this deal could not happen in a similar timeframe.

      Johan Santana was traded to the Mets on February 2nd.

      Please no Lackey he is not anywhere near a suitable replacement for Halladay.

      In order for Lackey to be a “replacement” for Halladay, or vice versa, one of them would need to already have been on our roster, filling a void that is now a need.

      Neither of them were. Thus, neither of them need to be “replaced”, there is no void, there is no need.

      • mryankee

        No wait a minute The Cabrera trade went down at the winter meetings

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          That’s different though. Florida was trying to move those two before they got huge arbitration raises, and the deadline to make them an offer was a week or so after the Winter Meetings.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Heh.

          “Oh, yeah, that trade I described that I said was totally analogous to the Halladay trade? I meant to say that other trade that’s totally not analogous to the Halladay trade. My bad.”

          ————–

          Cmdr. Buck Murdock: So who’s flying that thing?
          Soldier: A civilian. Ted Striker.
          Cmdr. Buck Murdock: (startled) Ted Striker!?!
          Soldier: You know him, sir?
          Cmdr. Buck Murdock: No, never met him. (pause) That’s not… entirely true. We were like BROTHERS!!!

      • mryankee

        I respect your opinion but its obviosu we will never agree on this matter. What you see in Hughes or Joba that tells you they willbe dominant starters must be quite perceptive. I just dont see the same outcome. I know you say wait ofr Felix wait for Mauer but there is no guarantee they will bemcome available.

        • DP

          They are both the same amount of available as Halladay.

          • mryankee

            You think you could trade for Felix or Mauer today?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              :: facepalm ::

            • Rose

              Who would win in a fight…

              Captain Kirk or Captain Piccard?

        • JobaWockeeZ

          What you see in Hughes or Joba that tells you they willbe dominant starters must be quite perceptive. I just dont see the same outcome.
          And how can you tell? Hughes never pitched a full season of starting in the majors.
          Joba just did.
          If you can tell the future with hardly any data then you must be on the level of Theo “Superman” Epstein.

          • mryankee

            I think both will probably be good pitchers. I believe 5 years of Halladay will be better than 10 years of Joba. I would be willing tomove one of the two. I would also add Romine and I think Juan Miranda could be a good fit for the Jays.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Okay. There’s no way this guy actually means what he says. Juan Miranda in a deal for Roy Halladay? No one, not even mryankee, could actually mean this seriously.

              • jsbrendog

                sadly, youre mistaken

              • mryankee

                Why just a few days ago on this blog there was a debate about having him be the DH on the Yankees?

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Adam Lind
                  Lyle Overbay
                  Travis Snider

                • mryankee

                  Hey you do not know what the answer will be until you ask. If Miranda was added in as the 3rd or 4th prospect in the deal.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  The. Blue. Jays. Do. Not. Need. Him.

                  They said they want an ML ready bat and a similar young arm. Juan Miranda is neither one of those things.

                • Chris

                  Two things:

                  1. Miranda’s probably ML ready as a bat. I don’t know that he would have anywhere to play on the Jays, so he’s pretty useless to them.

                  2. Just because a team says they want something doesn’t mean they will get it. The Twins said they wanted Wang and Hughes, and settled for Carlos Gomez and some scrubs.

            • jsbrendog

              joba romine and miranda does not get it done. no one wants miranda. he could be nontendered and cano thit lefties. he is borderline worthless to most teams.

              10 yrs of joba, half of which cost controlled, are better than halladays 33-38 season. esp with the red flag of a nagging groin injury this yr.

      • jsbrendog

        im sorry for mentioning his name. i put the whole station in danger.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      What else makes you think Cashman will do a deal?

      • mryankee

        Cashman has said that prospects are good for your team but also for trade. I do not think he will ignore the opportunity to add Halladay if the price is right, What the right price is I have no idea because I am not the GM for the Yankees or Blue Jays. I do know that at the very least the Yankees were considering moving Hughes for Santana before the trade did not happen. I do think its possible that Cashman could determine that Halladay is worth the stretch.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Please no Lackey he is not anywhere near a suitable replacement for Halladay.

      Well it’s a good thing that a) the Yankees likely won’t sign Lackey and b) that they’re not trying to replace Halladay.

      • A.D.

        OORRR The Yanks trade for Halladay, only to then trade him to another team, and then replace his departure with Lackey

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I like it.

          ——-

          Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications?
          Bart: Stampeding cattle.
          Hedley Lamarr: (dejected) That’s not much of a crime.
          Bart: Through the Vatican?
          Hedley Lamarr: (smiling) Kinkyyyy! Sign here.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Someone’s gonna have to go back and get a shitload of dimes!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Buddy Bizarre: Sounds like steam escaping…

            • Rose

              Yarrr…this here be ‘Dancin’ Pete’…he dances for nickels…
              Pete! Get in here…you’ve got some customers…

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                Ar, a quarter! He’ll be dancin’ for hours!

            • ColoYank

              What the hell is this out here? Some kind of cyclone?

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Wow. You’ve figured it out.

        • jsbrendog

          not gonna happen. why would he waive his ntc again? and what would that axccomplish?

          • A.D.

            This is what happens:

            Yankees trade for Halladay, without an extension window, then they proceed to tell him they’re moving him to teh 8th inning, because they want to sure up the pen, thus angering Roy. From there he’s willing to waive his NTC (again), and the Yanks trade him (with an extension window) thus been able to demand more than they traded the Blue Jays for.

            • jsbrendog

              i’m in. you sold me. do i get a free warranty?

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                Tommy: Let’s think about this for a sec, Ted, why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting.
                Ted Nelson, Customer: Go on, I’m listening.
                Tommy: Here’s the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box ’cause he wants you to fell all warm and toasty inside.
                Ted Nelson, Customer: Yeah, makes a man feel good.
                Tommy: ‘Course it does. Why shouldn’t it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted?
                [chuckles until he sees that Ted is not laughing too]
                Ted Nelson, Customer: [impatiently] What’s your point?
                Tommy: The point is, how do you know the fairy isn’t a crazy glue sniffer? “Building model airplanes” says the little fairy; well, we’re not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that’s all it takes. The next thing you know, there’s money missing off the dresser, and your daughter’s knocked up. I seen it a hundred times.
                Ted Nelson, Customer: But why do they put a guarantee on the box?
                Tommy: Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit. That’s all it is, isn’t it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer’s sake, for your daughter’s sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me.
                Ted Nelson, Customer: [pause] Okay, I’ll buy from you.
                Tommy: Well, that’s…
                Tommy, Richard Hayden: …What?

                • jsbrendog

                  well done

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Interesting (but ultimately moot) question of mine:

            Would Halladay’s NTC carry over to us, if he waived it to be traded here? I don’t know how that works.

            Is it permanently voided when he agrees to be traded the first time, or does he have a total non-trade clause that survives any individual trade?

            Hmmm…

            • jsbrendog

              it is part of the contract…so if waicved…..would then be void?

            • A.D.

              I think he still would have it, Cot’s still has Peavy has having a full NTC for 2010, before it winds down in the final 2 years.

              Basically the player has the right to block a deal to any team vs just not being able to be traded. Thus when traded he waives his right to block the trade, but still maintains for future trades.

              What one would lose is 10-5 rights, so if you have 10-5, then are traded, waive your right to block, then you no longer have it, because you’re no longer a 10-5 player.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Danke.

                That makes sense.

  • ColoYank

    Oh it’s twue, it’s twue!

    • ColoYank

      Reply button hitting FAIL … AGAIN!

    • Rose

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      Prince Humperdink: Skip to the end…

      The Impressive Clergyman: Have you the wing?

      • ColoYank

        Man and vife!

        • Rose

          You know, I met Chris Sarandon (Prince Humperdink) on the MetroNorth train a few weeks back…the only reason I knew it was him was because I saw a Law and Order SVU episode like 2 nights before…he looks so much older now. Nice guy though. Love’s the single seat…clearly.

      • ColoYank

        I don’t suppose the RAB monitors would let us get away with calling anyone a “vomitous mass,” or a “warthog-faced buffoon,” would they?

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