Prospect Profile: Jamie Hoffmann
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Jamie Hoffmann | OF
Background
Hoffmann was raised in New Ulm, Minnesota, which is about 100 miles southwest of Minneapolis. He starred in both baseball and hockey for New Ulm High, being named Minnesota Baseball Player of the Year as a junior and leading the school to the state championship as a senior. After playing in the United States Hockey League during the 2002-2003 season, the Carolina Hurricanes selected Hoffmann in the 8th round of the 2003 NHL Draft, however he went undrafted in baseball. He almost went to Colorado College to play hockey, but ended up signing with the Dodgers as an undrafted free agent in August of 2003.
Pro Career
After starting the 2004 season in Extended Spring Training, the Dodgers sent Hoffmann to their rookie level Gulf Coast League affiliate. He led the circuit in hits (71), runs scored (40), triples (7), total bases (105), and runs batted in (36), and was named to the All Star Team as a third baseman.
Assigned to Low-A Columbus to begin the 2005 season, Hoffmann moved to the outfield and hit.308-.383-.414 with 10 steals before being bumped up to High-A Vero Beach mid-season. He hit just .241-.287-.319 with the Baby Dodgers, and .285-.351-.382 overall. Baseball America rated him Los Angeles’ 27th best prospect after the season.
Sent back to Vero Beach in 2006, Hoffmann stayed there all year and hit .252-.309-.323 with just 21 extra base hits in 492 plate appearances. The Dodgers again assigned him to High-A to begin the 2007 season, however their new affiliate was located in Inland Empire, California. The move to the hitter friendly Cal League clearly boosted Hoffmann’s game, as he hit .309-.378-.455 in his season there.
Finally ready to be bumped up a level, Hoffmann hit .278-.350-.395 for Double-A Jacksonville in 2008, and was named the organization’s 22nd best prospect by Baseball America after the season. The Dodgers sent Hoffmann to their new Double-A affiliate in Chattanooga to start the 2009 season, however he forced a promotion to Triple-A by hitting .307-.457-.495 in his first 127 plate appearances. After just eight games with Triple-A Albuquerque, during which he hit .257-.366-.457, Hoffmann was summoned to the big leagues in mid-May because Manny Ramirez’s PED suspension left the Dodgers short in the outfield.
After two uneventful pinch hitting appearances, Hoffmann took Matt Palmer of the Angels deep in the first at-bat of his first start for his first Major League hit in the third big league game of his career. He later drove in a run with a double off Darren Oliver in the 7th. Hoffmann went 3-for-8 with two doubles, a homer, and six RBI in his first two career starts on May 25th and 26th, so naturally Joe Torre kept him glued to the bench for the team’s next five games. His big league stint lasted just 19 days and 24 plate appearances, during which he hit .182-.167-.409.
Sent back to Triple-A in early June, Hoffmann hit .288-.363-.455 the rest of the way. He was designated for assignment on Sept. 1st to clear a spot on the 40-man roster for the newly acquired Jon Garland. Hoffmann was left off the 40-man roster during the offseason, and the Yankees arranged for the Nationals to select him with the first overall pick of the 2009 Rule 5 Draft and send him to the Bronx per the terms of the Brian Bruney trade.
Scouting Report
A good athlete, Hoffmann’s one of those guys who does everything well but nothing great. His best attribute is his defense, and he can man all three outfield spots with aplomb thanks to his good jumps and direct routes. He also has a strong throwing arm and plays all-out all the time.
Offensively, Hoffmann is a line drive hitter that sprays the ball from gap-to-gap. He makes consistent contact and his approach is sound, though he can struggle against quality breaking pitches. At 25-years-old with a maxed out 6′-3″, 235lb frame, Hoffmann doesn’t project to add anything to his just okay power, however he makes up for it with good speed and baserunning skills. He hits from a slightly open stance and his swing can get out of whack, which leads to struggles against pitches on the outer half. The righty swinging Hoffmann traditionally had a reverse split, however he broke out and hit .308-.432-.542 against lefties in 2009. Chances are it’s just a sample size issue, however.
“He’s a big, physical outfielder with big league experience,” said Yankees director of pro scouting Billy Eppler. “Our scouts saw some good things in him, including good defensive ability and a good arm. He runs well for his size, we’ve got him as a 55 runner at 6-foot-3, 235. Kevin Long, our hitting coordinator, looked at him on video and thinks there’s a foundation there hitting-wise.”
Here’s a clip of Hoffmann’s first career hit/homer, an RBI double (yay Brad Hawpe), and a nice play in the outfield.
2010 Outlook
Hoffmann will get a look in Spring Training with a chance to make the team as a reserve outfielder, however those plans may change depending on how the rest of the offseason plays out. What happens after camp is anyone’s guess, though the Yanks are assuming he’ll stick around.
My Take
I like the pick. This is about what you’d expect in the Rule 5 Draft, a potentially useful role player, but not a cornerstone guy. It’s unfathomable to think the Yankees will carry Melky Cabrera, Brett Gardner, and Hoffmann on their 25-man roster at the same time this season, so something’s got to give. Regardless of what happens in Spring Training, it would behoove the Yanks to work out a trade with the Dodgers allowing them to keep Hoffmann in the minors. The Austin Jackson trade further thinned whatever little upper level outfield depth the Yanks had, so having a guy like Hoffmann stashed away and getting regular playing time in Triple-A is the best situation for everyone involved.
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Oh snap. RAB always on point. Exactly the prospect profile I wanted to see.
so do you think melky or gardy get dealt or just that gardy goes down to Scranton?
They’ll probably flip Gardy to KC if the sign Damon and/or Matsui.
for what? gardner cant have much value if any at all
Dayton Moore is an idiot with a hole in CF.
brian bannister is arb eligible, maybe kc doesnt want to pay.
Sounds perfect to me. One of Gardbrera + for Bannister.
if that actually happens, i’d be the happiest man alive. Not for bannister’s greatness (he’s pretty mediocre, actually), but for Cashman’s
We could turn around and deal Bannister to the Mets for Ike Davis or something.
They’re idiots.
Bannister is good enough and while Halladay would be great and all, the Yankees really need a league average guy which is what essentially AJ and Andy are.
How Halladay got into this convo, I have no idea.
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Bannister wouldn’t last 1 month in the AL East. Probably with worse results than Penny.
He has a higher GB% than Penny so if he could sustain it he would be serviceable enough.
You have servicable options on the team already that are better than Bannister. CC,AJ,AP,JC,PH,CG,AA,SM. Those are the initials of the top 5 Starters on the team this year with 3 back up options.
CC,AJ,AP,JC,PH,CG,AA,SM. Those are the initials of the top 5 Starters on the team this year with 3 back up options.
Source: The alphabet.
cashman got carla gugino, alan arkin, and sam “mayday” malone to fill out the bullpen?
sweet!
Yeah only like probably between 2.5-3 WAR next season, nothing at all.
Can people on here STOP saying we are going to flip / trade / horns waggle anybody into giving us ANYTHING for Gardy or Melky. Especially Gardy.
Gardy and McAllister for Mauer?
The righty swinging Hoffmann traditionally had a reverse split
His career splits seem fairly even with regard to BA & OBP, just seems to be generating less power off of left handers.
http://www.minorleaguesplits.c.....?pl=469845
It’s unfathomable to think the Yankees will carry Melky Cabrera, Brett Gardner, and Hoffmann on their 25-man roster at the same time this season, so something’s got to give.
Couldn’t the Yankees put Brett Gardner in left field, and have Melky Cabrera and Jamie Hoffmann join Francisco Cervelli and one of Jerry Hairston Jr. and Ramiro Pena on the bench?
Brett Gardner in LF would be a pretty weak choice. More likely they’ll send him down to AAA if they need the flexibility.
I don’t think Cash is done with the outfield.
Well, Gardner or Melky Cabrera.
What justification do you have that Gardner starts over melky… Who played all yeah?
year*… Was channeling my inner Boston accent..
Uhm maybe the fact that Gardner is a much more valuable player than Melky Cabrera.
Source: Fangraphs.com
Dude, you can’t give fangraphs.com, the entire freaking website, as a source. That’s like making a legal argument and citing “westlaw.com.”
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Ha, my bad… I’m catching up to this conversation (and clearly doing a bad job of it).
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I do wear contact lenses, so that’s pretty messed up barry :/
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actually most people are comparing him to Miguel Cabrera
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Uhm maybe the fact that Gardner is a much more valuable player than Melky Cabrera.
Source: Fangraphs.com
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I think if one of the 3 is starting or perhaps 2 are involved in a platoon, then carrying 5 OF is less of a big deal.
Nice writeup, Mike. One thing, though:
“however he makes up for it with good speed and baserunning skills.”
I guess in the sense that he’s fast he has baserunning skills, but he hasn’t really had much success on the base paths, especially in 2009 (15 SB, 11 CS).
One can be a good baserunner yet a poor basestealer.
Tex for example.
forget that. bernie williams is a much better example
I guess. I would argue that good speed doesn’t necessarily translate to good baserunning or good base stealing. However, if you’re a good baserunner, with good speed, I would think you would be a good base stealer. Mark Teixeira, Nick Swisher, these guys are actually good baserunners but, of course, they aren’t good base stealers because they don’t have the wheels.
hence bernie williams who had good speed and was a good baserunner but never really figured out how to steal bags.
Seems to me that the definitions are:
Good Baserunner = good instincts with good wheels, but not a big base stealer (Bernie for example)
Smart Baserunner = good instincts with bad wheels (Tex)
Bad Baserunner = bad instincts + bad wheels (Posada and Swisher)
What about bad instincts + decent wheels? (i.e. Cano)
What about horridly putrid instincts + amazing wheels? (i.e. Roger Cedeño of the Dodgers/Mets/Astros quasi-fame)?
I think vin has a good way to look at it, although I disagree about Swisher’s baserunning. He didn’t do as good a job this year, but he’s been pretty solid on the bases in years prior to 2009 (going first to third, etc.).
Nah we’re Yankee fans, we remember that one play he did and evaluate his whole career on it.
Cano for an example
Regardless of what happens in Spring Training, it would behoove the Yanks to work out a trade with the Dodgers allowing them to keep Hoffmann in the minors. The Austin Jackson trade further thinned whatever little upper level outfield depth the Yanks had, so having a guy like Hoffmann stashed away and getting regular playing time in Triple-A is the best situation for everyone involved.
Great point.
Can we give Kei Igawa?
If for no other reason than to fuck with Torre, I endorse this strategy. Even willing to eat all his salary.
Every last penny.
There is no team desperate enough to want Kei, not even the Nationals.
yeah – why trade one player for a back up outfielder you don’t expect to make the roster when you can trade 2?
Colorado College? They’re the main rivals of DU. We are not supposed to like them but I don’t give a shit about hockey.
Anyway, good enough pick for the Rule 5 draft. I hope he does some good things with the Yanks. I like his patience.
The real question for this thread should be: Who plays center in Scranton now that AJax is gone?
Curtis?
Russo.
Gardner
or Melky
Jesus Montero.
Jesus Montero on a Segway
You haven’t seen him use his wings yet.
And you wont if he plays CF. He’s just gonna leave his glove there and balls just get caught by themselves while he catches with his bare hands. It obviously wont injure him but it’ll help his CS% as it reduces the transfer time from his glove to his hand.
Jesus uses his wings on very special occasions.
Jesus Montero aka Bengie Molina without the catching skills.
Stop it Mr. Grant.
go away troll
How does Hoffmann compare to Collin Curtis? Better D? Better hit tool?
Interetsing infor from Cash:
Why he was available: When the Dodgers made their September call-ups this year, they took Hoffmann off the 40-man roster, but the story is a bit more complicated than that, at least according to Brian Cashman. ”The Dodgers last year reduced him from their roster, and teams put claims on him throughout the game,” Cashman said. “But (the Dodgers) had a deal with him of signing him back. They gave him a $25,000 signing bonus, so he rejected the claims and went to Triple-A for them. It was a smart deal by the Dodgers to try to protect their assets when they got into a roster crunch. They knew he wouldn’t get through the outright, and he didn’t.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....-hoffmann/
Players can reject claims?
It was news to me too.
“His best attribute is his defense, and he can man all three outfield spots with aplomb thanks to his good jumps and direct routes. He also has a strong throwing arm and plays all-out all the time”
Translation – Bye Bye Melky
Re-translation: Slow down.
Melky’s done it against big leaguers for 4 years now. Hoffman’s still a newb.
That’s what I read into it but I gather if they get a better package for Gardner they’d make that deal first.
Gardner put up more WAR than Melky in each of the last two seasons in considerably less playing time. In fact Gardner’s WAR as a part time player in his first full season of play was better than anything Melky has ever done.
have you stopped to think it is because of this limited playing time and that when playing full time he would be over exposed?
gardner’s WAR as a part time player is not the same as melky’s as a fulltime player over multiple seasons
Ohhh snap, over exposed.
Watch out Gardner.
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Why trade Gardner instead of Melky? Gardner is a better guy off the bench because of his speed and I don’t think we get enough back for either that I let go of a valuable piece for the meager return.
But hey, Maybe we trade both of them for an old guy who makes a lot of money
No, Melky is better than this guy, who has very limited major league at bats. The Yanks can stil option out Gardner.
i like it. He’s a good kid…a gamer..a battler…plays the game the right way.
(hehe…i know baseball nerds hate everything i just said)
I’m sure they wont. No one ever says they want a lazy/cancer. They do value someone who actually performs well but no one will complain about a guy being a gamer.
You forgot gritty.
but whats his WAR???
hoffman fulfills the “big goofy white guy with overly aggressive high fives” void left by shelly duncan
enjoymet factor of this comment is high
Can he win a fight?
hoffman played hockey
johnny gomes better back the f*ck up
Uh ohhh you did it…
Who would win in a fight…
Tim Meadows (SNL) or Don Cheadle
Hint: They’re the same guy.
Hint: They’re the same guy.
I laughed.
Hoffmann went 3-for-8 with two doubles, a homer, and six RBI in his first two career starts on May 25th and 26th, so naturally Joe Torre kept him glued to the bench for the team’s next five games.
TorreFAIL.
He was designated for assignment on Sept. 1st to clear a spot on the 40-man roster for the newly acquired Jon Garland.
CollettiFAIL.
(Yes, Garland actually did fairly well for the Dodgers down the stretch, but still. DFAing a decent young outfielder for Jon Garland should be a FAIL on general principles. And, since Garland was traded for a PTBNL, that’s TWO young players he cost the Dodgers.)
Pierre was hitting .404/.469/.544 on May 26th. Dont think its fair to say Torre should have benched Pierre or Kemp or Ethier for Hoffmann.
I was about to respond by saying that all Mike was saying was, while you don’t need to bench someone to get Hoffmann in the lineup after he has two good games in a row, you also don’t have to go to the other extreme and not give him any PT at all.
But, then I looked at the gamelogs:
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2009
Mike’s wrong. His first two starts were actually the 24th and 25th, not the 25th and 26th. And, After his first two starts on the 24th and 25, he didn’t “get glued to the bench for the next 5 days.” He actually played as a LIDR the very next day, the 26th, and then was an LIDR three games (four days) later, and then started again the day after that.
Hoffman actually got into quite a few games during his brief sojurn with the big club, until Manny got back and forced him out.
TorreFAIL withdrawn.
He wasn’t a LIDR. He was a pinch hitter. He only played defense (ostensibly his best attribute) in 5 games – his 3 starts, May 23 and May 26. The rest of the time he was just a pinch hitter for the pitcher.
How many players do you know that stay sharp at the plate by playing as LIDR?
He wasn’t talking about real glue he was talking about Torre not helping a young player develop by getting into any kind of a grove.
You make it sound like hes Matt Kemp. Relax.
if Damon and Matsui goes elsewhere, I think Hoffman and Miranda should compete for the DH spot. Loser goes to AAA or bench.
hoffman cant go to aaa unless we offer him back to la and they decided to take a player/cash instead.
oops. i meant just bench.
If you’re going to have Hoffmann in the lineup.. why waste his superior defensive talent at DH? Put him in RF, Swish in LF.
I don’t think he cracks any lineup though, as Cashman said he starts as a bench player.
you really think those 2 can replace matsui???
wow
No. He never said he thought those two could replace Matsui.
What he said was, those two SHOULD replace Matsui IF Matsui and Damon go elsewhere.
Stop putting words in people’s mouths (like you always do).
Kinda sounds like Chad Curtis. Which could be a nice addition.
Hopefully with less preachifyin’.
Sincerely,
Derek “Leave me the hell alone, Chad” Jeter
i hope he puts his all into a throw to the plate and goes flying forward superman style and lays himself out everytime. i used to love that haha. hat goes flying and he looks like he’s sliding headfirst into home
“He runs well for his size, we’ve got him as a 55 runner at 6-foot-3, 235.”
So we’re going to put him at tight end, then?
H-Back.
clearly middle linebacker.
i really like this pick. he seems like a decent all around player. i would definitely try to find a way to move melky/gardner. you just can’t have all 3 especially if we bring back damon.
If no other signings happen due to whatever, can’t Gardner play left, Cabrera play right and Swisher DH? Hoffman can stay on the bench with Pena, Cervelli and Miranda.
needs a shave. Have we ever had a Jamie on the Yanks? I know we have but….
Melky + Hoffman for Mauer. If Hoffman still retains his Minnesota accent they won’t even notice.
Minnesotans: “Hey, where did this random Dominican come from? We just counted all 25 of the Dominicans last week, and this guy wasn’t on the list. Something’s up… let’s investigate. Doublecheck all the white people and make sure Joe Mauer and Brett Favre are still here. WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!”
… aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!
You’re right! I forgot the biggest red flag of them all–Dominicans lack youthful enthusiasm. Sad but true.
We’re better off just trying to sneak across state lines and swapping Hoffman for Mauer by themselves.
Adding Melky’s just a huge red flag.
Can he play the infield too? HCane be Start
apparently he only played 1 game at 1B and 3B in his career:
http://www.baseball-reference......ffma004jam
No hate but is homeboy albino?
His eyes have pigmentation.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/.....eature.jpg
Great googly moogly. Maybe he will only be eligible for night games.
He is quite LarryBirdesque.
He makes Larry Bird look like Yaphet Kotto.
There is an actor who looks just like this kid but I can not recall his name or what movies he was in.
We’re gonna have to make sure Hoffmann and Mark Melancon don’t stand near each other during the team photo. That would cause some nasty glare effects.
He is the anti Hensley Mullens.
I stood next to Melancon after a game at Durham. Jaime-you’re no Melancon!
It’s not his fault. He is from Minnesota where it is winter and snowing all year, so he never gets to see sunlight.
Getting him outta LA might put years on his life. He is going to be our go to designated dome player.
He’s Duncan with less power.
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Update: And please don’t get too off track with this…but this is only to answer a question I’ve seen on several threads regarding Curtis Granderson, Joe Girardi, and the #28. You don’t have to respond. This is just an FYI.
Q: You wear No. 28, and Joe Girardi is rumored to be wearing that number next season … do you have a backup plan?
A: From what I last heard, his daughter wanted him to wear 28, butI’m not sure if he selected it yet. I’ve wore 28 in college, but my first year in pro ball I was 19, and I wore 23 and 26, too. If I have a chance to wear 28, I’ll want to get it, but if I have to wear something else, I can do that.
Q&A with new Yankee Curtis Granderson
http://thebiglead.com/?p=30970
Count me in the “Joe should stay with #27″ camp.
Girardi to Curtis:
“Nothing would be grander-son than you wearing #28″
Yup. He says he wants it, so he should have it.
I hope Granderson is wearing number 11.
This guy has no shot to beat out melky or Gardner. Can’t hit
And Gardner can?
Hoffman’s AAA stats last year translate to a MLE of:
.217 .282 .339
So…compared to Hoffman…yes Gardner can hit.
Looks like Tarzan, hits like Jane.
Gardner hit 270 with a 345 obp with 26 steals this year and played solid defense. I dont know why the yanks need to replace him. That is good production from a bench player.
Hoffmann has more power but he will not hit for a better average than Gardner in the spring.
And Melky can?
Big fan of Melky?
Thank you. There is nothing to see here. This guy won’t make the team and is strictly insurance. He will be back in LA or in AAA.
Hey, another opportunity to mention that Matt Palmer is a cheating piece of shit without going off topic? I’ll freaking take it. Thanks Jamie, bash that scrub back to the minors. See if his wife enjoys living on less than 20K a year.
I think Hoffman can be a useful player, and unlike Palmer, I bear him no ill will.
This Hoffmann thing could have something else behind it, first they didn’t really give up very much and they picked up a player that Joe Torre wrote off. Cashman may be looking to rub Torre’s nose in it if the Yanks can somehow turn this kid into something.
That can’t be true with the Torre comment. This guy didn’t make the Dodgers 40 man roster and a Dodger executive says he has a mechanical flaw in his hitting technique
Cashman has had his mojo working since the Yanks won the Series,
he said Torre’s book was garbage in a recent interview with Mike Francesa, you got to know he would love to develop a prospect that Torre rejected.
Hoffmann is low risk, he probably won’t amount to much but he really didn’t cost anything so we’ll see what happens.
Wonder if the Yankees regret getting rid of Juan Riviera. When healthy , he has put up some decent numbers, Remember that trade before the ‘04 season – Nick Johnson (good hitter) and Juan Riviera for Javir Vasquez who only lasted 1 year as as Yankee.
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