Dec
14

Report: Red Sox close to signing Lackey

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The Little Engine That Could is at it again, apparently close to bringing in free agent pitcher John Lackey after he took a physical for the team today. Kenny Rosenthal expects the deal to be similar to A.J. Burnett‘s five year, $82.5M deal. It’s good to see the only the 16th largest market in the game able to go out and do something to improve their team.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • AndrewYF

    Sweet, he will instantly go into my top 5 most hated Red Sox. I can’t wait to see who he blames when he has a bad start.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      1. Jason Bay for letting something drop in front of him, leading to a run scoring.
      2. Fenway Park for not holding a home run.
      3. Whomever the third baseman is for not throwing to first fast enough.

      • andrew

        odd that you say “whomever the third basemen is,” but include Jason Bay as a member of the Sox

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    See this?

    This is me not caring.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Hear that?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQcQWpABjfw

      That was the sound of me delighting in the Sox giving a big contract to an aging, injury prone pitcher who has lots of red flags, a contract they’ll quickly regret just like J.D. Drew, and Mike Lowell and David Ortiz and the like.

      • theyankeewarrior

        But JD Drew has been worth more than we paid him since his signing!!!!1!11!!!

        /Theo’d

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Well, to be fair, Drew is the least objectionable of those big contracts they’ve handed out, but… trust, they’d rather he wasn’t on their books.

          • Whitey14

            I agree all three contracts look bad now, but I doubt any were regretted “quickly”, especially while the Sox were enjoying the 07 World Series trophy which they DO NOT win without Lowell and Drew.

            Lackey is no worse a risk than Burnett was so not sure where you were going with that. Either guy could start 32 games or spend a month on the DL….

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada: not the biggest fan of the Burnett signing either

      • Rose

        But according to FANGRAPHS JD Drew has been worth the money!!!!

        Sincerely,

        Theo Epstein

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Indeed he has.

          The question is, how long will that continue?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD
    • Lanny

      You should care. He improves the rotation of a team that won 95 games.

      And now they can move someone for a bat.

  • Steve H

    Glad to see their truly is financial parity in baseball. When the Sox can dig thru couch cushions to get the #1 starter on the market, it’s a good day for baseball. Hopefully this holds off the communism that is a salary cap for another day.

  • http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/open-thread-you-have-the-red-sox-19930/ the artist formerly known as (sic)

    Commit a boatload of money to an over-30 injury-prone pitcher with declining peripherals while simultaneously ignoring their need for another bat?

    Why yes, that IS my wish for the Red Sox this offseason! How did you know?

    • http://aol Rob

      Beltre will sign soon and then there will be a shift in AL East power. Where is our upgrade to Pitching, pitching, pitching like jack ass Cashman said??

      • whozat

        Wait…swapping Chad Gaudin for Phil Hughes isn’t an upgrade?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Swapping 2009 Joba Chamberlain for 2010 Joba Chamberlain: also an upgrade

          What a jack ass Cashman is.

      • pat

        That jackass that handed us a top 3 cf for 2 pitchers we won’t miss and a CF who projects to possibly be as good as the guy we traded for? That jackass?

    • radnom


      Commit a boatload of money to an over-30 injury-prone pitcher with declining peripherals while simultaneously ignoring their need for another bat?

      Why yes, that IS my wish for the Red Sox this offseason! How did you know?

      Several things.

      1. Lackey is the same age as Burnett was he signed his deal.
      2. Lackey is arguably less injury prone than Burnett (although recent history has shifted a bit).
      3. Lackey has historically been a better pitcher.
      4. It seems like people slap the “declining peripherals” tag on any pitcher older than 30 who they don’t want the Yankees to sign. Lackeys peripherals have been quite consistent (and better than AJ’s) over the last three years. Look it up.

      I’m not trying to say that this was a good signing, or that I think the Yankees should have mad a play at Lackey (I don’t). But I think the fact is that most of us have come to terms with the Burnett signing and see it overall as a good one, that we maybe overpayed but he fills a useful hole and is worth it. If the terms of this deal are indeed for almost the same years/money as Burnett, then this is an equal, even slightly better contract for the Red Sox, due to the four facts I’ve listed above. It is just a little hypocritical that everyone is blowing their load over how dumb the Sox are, while at the same time being content with the remaining 4 years on Burnett’s deal.

      • OldYanksFan

        I resent this post It makes far too much sense!

      • Richard Deegan

        Only thing is (according to BB-ref splits), Lackey can pitch anywhere BUT Fenway and YS (splits indicate he gets eaten alive in those two parks). However, he does well at Rogers

        • Whitey14

          Most pitchers probably have similar splits when pitching against NY and Boston due to their offenses…just guessing though

  • Sam

    What does their rotation look like then?

    Lackey, Lester, Beckett, Dice-K, Bucholz/Wakefield?

    I’d like to counter with bringing in Ben Sheets but that might just be me.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      What does their rotation look like then?

      Ugly. It looks ugly.

      It may pitch fairly effectively, but Lackey will fit right in on that roster of unwashed neanderthal missing links.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        John Lackey once went on the disabled list after he bit his own nose. True story.

      • RCK

        Ha! So true. Add in Youkilis and Pedroia, and sometimes I think the Red Sox think they’re actually trying to assemble a team to win the world series of the Ugliest White Guy games.

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Don’t forget that Gammons and Abraham cover them.

          • Hey ZZ

            I laughed

    • Steve H

      I’d like to bring in Ben Sheets too, but not because of anything the Sox are doing.

  • Rose

    I hope this doesn’t cause Cashman to jump the gun on Halladay…but I wouldn’t mind if it nipped him in the ass to start looking at another pitcher…

    And sign Matsui dammit!! Quit dicking around!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Cashman doesn’t panic. You thus needn’t either.

    • Rod

      Lackey doesn’t help the Red Sox hit on the road.

      • Whitey14

        A truer point has not been made on this board yet today….

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
          • Whitey14

            I stand by my statement, John Lackey can’t hit, and can’t make others hit…without more bats, this signing is nowhere near as important as it could have been….

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              I stand by my statement:

              Your team is ugly as shit.

              • Whitey14

                I can’t argue against their collective ugliness, because, you know, I’m honest and all. But there are a few of them that can’t be considered ugly and if you don’t believe me, just ask my wife….

            • http://aol Rob

              Beltre will be their next signing! That makes them young and pretty darn good! We’re still looking at DAMON??? Go figure

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Take it easy, Champ. Why don’t you stop talking for a while, you know, maybe sit the next few plays out.

  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Omg!Zombies!

    If he signs with the Red Sox they have a very formidable rotation but their offense is what needs help. They lost both Bay and possibly Lowell and dont seem to be doing anything to replace their bats.

    Not only that they have to pay Beckett more money than Lackey seeing that hes better and younger.

    • Tampa Yankee

      “Not only that they have to pay Beckett more money than Lackey seeing that hes better and younger.”

      This.

      I hope signing Lackey forces them to commit more $ to Beckett than he’ll be worth as well.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        It’ll probably force them to let Beckett walk next year.

        • vin

          That’s what I’m thinking.

          • http://aol Rob

            Keep on thinking! Beckett will not walk. Neither will Bay, he’ll be signed.

        • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Omg!Zombies!

          Which also works in the Yankees favor also. Even though we hit Beckett well hes better than Lackey and doesnt not have the arm trouble history.

          But he does have more blisters than Ron Mexico

          • Steve H

            He even has blisters on his fingers too!

        • Whitey14

          Sounds like they’re trying to renegotiate with Beckett simultaneously, probably figuring on the nine million they won’t be paying Lowell next year and the twelve or thirteen million they won’t be paying Ortiz….plus, isn’t this is for Drew and his fourteen million…or does he have one year left?

  • A.D.

    the 16th largest market in the game

    Is there a source Henry was pulling that from?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
      • http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/open-thread-you-have-the-red-sox-19930/ the artist formerly known as (sic)

        Great minds…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Indeed. You were thinking of boobs right now too?

    • http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/open-thread-you-have-the-red-sox-19930/ the artist formerly known as (sic)

      if you consider his ass a source, then…yes.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I beat ya.

        • http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/open-thread-you-have-the-red-sox-19930/ the artist formerly known as (sic)

          Only bc I didnt refresh.

          NO ONE DENIES THIS!

  • Rose

    Like I said in the other thread. I heard rumblings about the Red Sox continuing to inquire about Adrian Gonzalez and being told they need a package of Buchholz (who is now 100% expendable) and one of Casey Kelly or Westmoreland…but the Red Sox felt that 2 of those would be too much. Two of those is TOO MUCH??? For Adrian Gonzalez??

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Not.
      Gonna.
      Happen.

      Be calmed, young padawan.

      • Rose

        Yeah but you have Lackey long term now. Which will trigger you to extend Becketts deal. Then you have Dice K for a while longer…and Lester isn’t going anywhere. That makes Buchholz expendable.

        There is absolutely no way the Red Sox sign 2 long term contracts this offseason. They need to fill LF and 1B/3B right now. The cheapest and smartest solution right now…is to do via trade…for somebody who is extremely affordable (A Gon).

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          OR:

          You have Lackey now, that makes keeping Buchholz MORE important, because you may not have the need or the inclination to extend Beckett, who has his own age/injury/decline red flags as well.

          • Rose

            Perhaps…but then you still have to sign another expensive long term guy to fill LF or 1B/3B. But who knows. Time will tell.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Adrian Beltre is a good mid-level option. He’ll provide solid production.

            • Steve H

              They can afford it. They have $$$ coming out of their ears thru NESN. They are not a small market team, no matter what they try selling you. They can easily go and get Holliday and Beltre if they want, right now. They can get Nick Johnson cheap and move Youk over.

        • Steve H

          Why not have 5 good pitchers? Why not have more? Beckett/Lackey/Dice-k all have health question marks surrounding them.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Exactly.

            Buchholz is just as critical to their long-term success as Joba/Hughes is to ours. A cost-controlled quality young pitcher who can give you league average now and possibly/probably ace in the future is a super-valuable chip not to be parted with lightly.

            Yes, Gonzalez makes a ton of sense, but he’s still going to cost Buchholz AND their top minor-league prospect (debate amongst yourselves who that is) and probably a good amount of other stuff as well. The Padres are non-motivated sellers; they’re practically anti-motivated sellers. They’re not giving him away unless they get bowled away.

            Still not gonna happen.

            • Rose

              Buchholz is just as critical to their long-term success as Joba/Hughes is to ours.

              If you had to rank the 3 (all bias aside) how would it go?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                It’ll sound like a copout, but I’d give all three of them perfectly equal grades.

                They’re identical.

                • Steve H

                  Buchholz loses points for being a thief.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Joba loses points for being a drunk, though.

                  /BitchyRedSoxResponse’d

                • Rose

                  Phil Hughes loses points for having his nickname as “Phil Pubes”

                  /WesternMassRedSoxFan

                • Whitey14

                  Damn TSJC, you beat me to it, and you were right, it was coming!!

              • vin

                Statisctical comparison from thebaseballcube.com:

                mlb career:
                h/9, hr/9, bb/9, whip
                Hughes 8.18, 0.89, 3.36, 8.27, 1.28
                Joba 8.50, 0.86, 3.87, 9.11, 1.37
                Clay 9.35, 1.13, 4.11, 7.65, 1.49

                Their minor league numbers are closer, with Clay still pulling up the rear.

                One thing Buchholz has going in his favor is that he pitched 190 innings last year, so he’s ready to pitch an entire season next year.

                However, Buchholz is 2 years older than Hughes, and 1.5 years older than Joba.

                • Rose

                  Those numbers include both Joba’s and Phil’s successful bullpen ‘sessions’ though right? Clay, on the other hand, started for a much larger majority of his MLB career thus far.

    • Reggie C.

      Hoyer’s gotta give Padres fan a reason to show up. Since the RS don’t have any high ceiling offensive prospects, it doesn’t make sense for Hoyer to part with a ML top-5 1B.

      Westmoreland and Kelly have never even played a full season above Low-A. Kelly may be getting the fast track, but he started in Low-A last season. Hoyer’s got to get back more sure assets.

  • Tampa Yankee

    So they plan on winning games 3-2? they have no LF, Ortiz/Varietk/Drew/Lowell (trade may not happen but if it does, no 3B) are declining, Taco Bellbury sucks, Scurtaro is not as good as last year’s stats. Plus, does that bullpen really scare anyone? It doesn’t scare me. But you never know, they could go get Beltre or Nick Johnson (slide Douchelis to 3B). I just don’t see how such a small market could spend that much though.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Drew’s had back-to-back 130 OPS+ years. Don’t sleep on Nancy. We may dislike him, but he’s a solid player.

      • Thomas

        True, JD has had two straight 130 OPS+ seasons. However, he has missed 78 games in that span. Thus, the overall Red Sox RF OPS is probably quite a bit lower.

      • Steve H

        He’s very good, at all phases of the game. Though he is due for a 100 game season soon.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        I will fear him for the 100 games he plays.

      • Tampa Yankee

        I didn’t look it up so my bad, I take that back. His numbers are better than I thought.

  • bonestock94

    I can’t wait for the Yankees to have a slugfest off that gargoyle. I never liked him, what better team to end up on. That is a formidable rotation though.

  • steve s

    Instant dissension if they don’t give Beckett an extension of equal or greater length at more $$$.

    • Steve H

      I heard on the radio that they are discussing an extension with Beckett now.

  • Will

    Now they can trade Bucholz for A-Gon potentially? If the padres are willing, I havent been following that too closely.

  • Steve H

    He hated pitching in Fenway too. Granted he was facing a strong Sox offense, but he has certainly struggled there. .314/.371/.527

    • http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/open-thread-you-have-the-red-sox-19930/ the artist formerly known as (sic)

      Huh. Where did I read that…

      Oh yeah: http://twitter.com/RiverAveBlues/status/6668938537

      • Steve H

        I didn’t plagarize, I swear.

        Ron Borges’d

  • Reggie C.

    Looks like a year removed from the Penny and Smoltz disasters, Theo Epstein is ready to make a surer bet. Lackey’s an improvement, but i’d be shocked if the RS didn’t sign Bay or Holliday.

  • Ghost of Scott Brosius

    Their entire outfield is a mess. What would their outfield be if the season started today? Drew, Ellsbury, and….? Yikes. They do not get enough production out of their infield to cpmpensate for that

    • Rose

      Depth chart had Anderson (Brian) although they non-tendered him I believe. So I’m not sure who’s out there right now.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Sox 2010 Opening Day leftfielder: Kevin Youkilis.

        Your mind, it is blown.

        • Evil Empire

          I would love to see that. Holy fuck.

          How hilarious would that be? A clown nose for the guy would be all that’s needed to complete that circus.

          I mean, seriously. ManRam quality LF defense.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            He’s not that bad out there. Career LF UZR is -4.1.

            Subpar, sure, but not a Manny/Bay/Dunn traveshamockery.

            I don’t think it’s a lock to happen, but if the Lowell trade goes through and they add Beltre, they could just play Beltre at 3rd, Kotchman at 1st, and shift Captain Caveman out to LF. Having that configuration is a pretty mammoth positive swing in defense over the Youk at first/Lowell at third/Bay in left crap they ran out there last year.

            • Chris

              His career UZR/150 in LF is -21.3.

              Of course, he’s only played 20 games out there (18 in 2006 and 2 in 2009), so it’s not like any of these numbers are really meaningful.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Which is why I didn’t cite it.

                I think UZR is a useful and valuable stat. UZR/150 is much less valuable, IMO. Extrapolation always muddies the waters.

                • Chris

                  But UZR by itself is meaningless without understanding the sample size because it’s just a counting stat.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Solution:

                  List UZR with the innings played, thus giving the necessary context. That’s a better solution than UZR/150.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Hermida, no?

        • Rose

          Forgot about Hermida. Anderson was before they signed Hermida I believe. Nice catch.

    • Steve H

      It’s December 14th. The season doesn’t start today.

  • Mike bk

    the counter to this move is just to sign Cameron because spending this on lackey means they wont be re-signing bay or bringing in holliday in all likelihood because beckett needs to get extended as will V-Mart. If they are going to go for the defense angle Cameron is the best of those 8 mil OF’s out there.

    • Evil Empire

      Very astute. I agree.

      Put the pressure on Damon and if he can’t commit within a couple days, snag Cameron.

    • Steve H

      The Sox can afford whomever they want.

      • Mike bk

        didn’t realize you ran their books. my bad then.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          This will end badly.

          • Mike bk

            if lackey gets burnett money counting what they are paying lugo and lowell they are at approx 135 mil next year. the highest they have ever gone is 143 is all im saying.

            • Steve H

              But that doesn’t mean they can’t afford it. NESN is a money factory for them, they way YES is for the Yankees.

              • Whitey14

                NESN is co-owned by the Red Sox and Bruins so they don’t receive all the profits and even if they did, NESN < YES, by about a gazillion viewers…

        • Steve H

          Is this John Henry?

  • Evil Empire

    A bold move for a small-to-medium franchise. Clearly they’re putting all of their eggs into one basket, they can’t afford to make mistakes with such a meager payroll. The fanbase is dedicated, sure, but also small. Not enough to truly support the team ala Baltimore.

  • DP

    Let’s not get carried away here the other way. 4 or 5 years from now, I’m sure they’ll regret it, and it’s not the best deal, but it still would make the 2010 Red Sox a lot better. Personally I still think they’re gonna get Bay or Holliday and Beltre, but if they don’t then I’ll agree it’s a huge mistake on their part. NOTE: I’m not panicked or anything nor do I think in any way the Yanks need to respond. But it’s still good for them to put John Lackey on the roster.

    • Thomas

      The Sox won’t have him in 4 or 5 years. By the end of year 3, they will have eaten 75% of his salary and traded him to another team.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Touché.

  • Jake H

    To me this means that they don’t think Beckett will be a Sox. No way does he take less money and years then Lackey who is 2 years older.

    Also if you look at Lackey his stats are going down since his huge season of 07. K per 9 going down, WHIP going up, both H and BB per 9 going up. K per BB going down too. I don’t mind that at all.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Josh Beckett is a sell-out. A hired gun. Unwilling to sacrifice for the good of the team. Always chasing the almighty dollar.

      /Boston media, summer 2010′d

  • Phil McCracken

    Didn’t hear any Lackey rumors at all until today. Red Sox must have paid 51 million to talk to Lackey exclusively.

    • pat

      Hahahha IETC.

  • Mike HC

    That is unfortunate but not unexpected. I was hoping the Yanks would be able to nab him, especially since I consider him better than AJ and we could have gotten him for the same money.

    The Red Sox are going to make their big free agent moves too. That is what makes it fun, I guess.

    • DP

      Eh, he’s about the same as AJ.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Burnett, career:
        1583 IP, 110 ERA+, 1.299 WHIP, 2.22 K/BB

        Lackey, career:
        1501 IP, 117 ERA+, 1.306 WHIP, 2.72 K/BB

        I’ll give the slight edge to Lackey.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Almost identical WAR the last three years. Frankly, stuff that happened prior to like, 2007 is pretty irrelevant.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Good point. Lackey’s helped quite a bit by his durability edge during Burnett’s TJS and subsequent complications.

            Still, though, Lackey’s got a little better rate stats and peripherals, no? Fewer K’s, but also fewer walks/hits/baserunners…

            • DP

              Worse hit rates, and by your own inclusion of WHIP up there, more baserunners.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                I was speaking of the ’07-’09 numbers Mike alluded to, not the career totals.

                Burnett, 2007-2009:
                594.0 IP, 109 ERA+, 1.320 WHIP, 8.1 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 3.8 BB/9, 9.1 K/9, 2.42 K/BB
                Lackey, 2007-2009:
                563.2 IP, 129 ERA+, 1.235 WHIP, 8.9 H/9, 1.0 HR/9, 2.2 BB/9, 7.2 K/9, 3.22 K/BB

                Career-wise, it’s Lackey by a nose. Recent history only, it’s actually Lackey by a WIDER margin.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Sure, but remember the divisions.

                • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

                  “Career-wise, it’s Lackey by a nose.”

                  pun intended?

                • DP

                  When John Lackey is involved, it’s probably best to not use the nose to express it being close.

                • Evil Empire

                  If you slim those numbers down to just 2008 and 2009, AJ will start to look at little more even. Probably 60ish more IP.

                  Plus AJ can hatefuck a 96 MPH fastball.

                  I’ll be an arbitrary, stubborn, ignorant homer and say I like AJ more than Lackey.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Mike Axisa says:
                  Sure, but remember the divisions.

                  Agreed. But, the AL East v. the AL West is not enough of an excuse to just brush off a 109 ERA+ vs. a 129 ERA+.

                • Section 39

                  That is most certainly enough of a difference to account fro 20 ER of 3 years. Look at last year alone (I am wayyyy to lazy to look back 3 yrs since this point is obvious)…

                  AL East Team RS Average = 825.8
                  AL West Team RS Average = 766.5

                  60 RUNS A YEAR MORE… That’s more than enought to account for the additional 6-7 ER/yr that Burnett has over Lackey

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  It’s not 6 or 7 more runs a year, it’s more like 14 or 15.

                  Burnett, earned runs allowed, 2007-2009: 262
                  Lackey, earned runs allowed, 2007-2009: 218

                  That’s a difference of 44 runs, not 20. Granted, Burnett pitched more innings, but still. AJ’s raw ERA, all in the AL, is 3.97. Lackey’s is 3.48.

                  Over the past 3 years, Lackey >>> Burnett

      • Steve H

        He’s about the same as AJ, and for the most part we consider that contract to be extremely risky, and probably won’t get a strong return for 1-2 of those years. Don’t need two of those contracts in the rotation.

        • Mike HC

          Very true. But a long contract for basically any pitcher in baseball can be expected to have a one or two year period of weak returns. So all things are still equal.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Having only one contract with a one or two year period of weak returns >>>>>>>>>>>>> having TWO contracts with one or two year periods of weak returns

        • DP

          Yep, it would’ve been much worse for us to sign Lackey given our long-term commitments. Boston doesn’t have as many, so it’s not that bad for them.

  • Brian Paul

    Ha!

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    My confidence level just dropped from a 10 to an 11.

  • Chris

    Don’t forget, you’ll have to watch MLB Network now to watch Peter Gammons pathetically fawn over this latest installment of Red Sox comedy.

  • OldYanksFan

    If they give Lackey $16.5m/yr, my guess is, it will cost $18m/yr to keep Beckett. Lester makes $6m in 2011, so in 2011, the Sox might have $40m tied up in their (very good) 1-2-3.

    • Mike HC

      That does not sound like a bad thing. I am not looking forward to seeing Beckett, Lester and Lackey every time we play the Red Sox.

    • DP

      Assuming they sign Beltre and one of Bay/Holliday, they are looking at a $170 million payroll next year. I’m gonna love to hear the justifications for small market talk then.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        “We have to mortgage the future to give the greatest fans in the world one more shot at glory before we sell everything off and move to Hartford, CT for cheaper rent.”

    • Mike bk

      well we have 50 mil tied up in CC AJ and Andy next year. my guess says beckett might get 20 (5/100) since he will still only be 31 the 1st year of the new deal

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    The worst thing about this signing is that we’ll have to look at the World’s Largest Chin more often.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Hopefull Bill Cowher returns to coaching next year to balance things out a bit.

  • bigpinklips

    It’s time to quit screwing around.
    It’s time to promote Kei Igawa!

  • Mike bk

    update:
    “1:03pm: ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick has a source saying an agreement is “not likely” by the end of the day.”

    probably still happens but could be like the lowell deal and drag on.

    in other news the mets offered escobar a minor league deal.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      in other news the mets offered escobar a minor league deal.

      Since it’s the Mets, I assume you mean Pablo and not Kelvim.

      • aj

        Why would the Mets sign a dead drug lord to a minor league deal? Is it because they do everything wrong?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Asked and answered.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Chalk lines will cost nothing.

        /Wilpon FTW’d

      • Thomas

        He’ll practically pay for himself.

  • Evil Empire

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4741670

    Angels in “serious talks” with Matsui

    • vin

      This is nothing more than trying to put a little heat on Cash.

  • aj

    Damnit. I wanted them both OUT of the league. This Lackey thing boils my blood, and I wanted the Yanks to retain Matsui. But that’s business. I hope the Yanks strike back with Damon or someone else.

  • Salty Buggah

    Here’s to Lackey sucking thanks to that bandbox in Boston.

  • Rod

    Now we just need some teams to snap up Bay and Holliday and the Yankees can sign Cameron and possibly take a flyer on Sheets/Duchserererer

    • Bronx Cheer

      If this does go through for the Sox, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them turn their sights on Cameron. Cheap OF option allows them to pick up Beltre or Nick Johnson to round out their infield and maximize defense behind a solid pitching staff.

      • Rod

        Precisely why the Yankees should go after him in addition to the fact that he would be great on a one year deal.

  • Bronx Cheer

    Is Lackey a fly ball pitcher?

    • Steve H

      His face is a fly catcher.

  • Neil B.

    With Lackey off the market (not that I wanted the Yankees to sign him, one long-term deal with an injury risk is enough), this pretty much confirms that the Yankees are gonna look to Sheets/Duchscherer if they want extra pitching depth.

    And unless Cash manages to convince management to go a good 5-8M over budget, that’ll mean no return for Damon (if/when Boras eventually caves to a two-year deal, there should be several offers in the $10M range).

    In my opinion, then, that makes a Matsui return even more important, so I really hope the Angels don’t snag him before the Yankees realize that negotiations with Damon won’t lead anywhere.

  • Tampa Yankee

    1:41pm: Yahoo’s Tim Brown has an Angels source who believes they’re still in the running for Lackey and the pitcher has not accepted a Boston offer.

  • Rose

    OK, a little off topic but just as important.

    Why the hell would the Phillies trade Cliff Lee in a blockbuster 3 team deal for Halladay?? Halladay is older and more expensive. And apparently the reasoning behind not keeping Lee is because he won’t take a “discount” to stay with them.

    Now I’m no rocket scientist, but I don’t think Halladay is going to take a discount either…and I’m sure he’ll be much more expensive.

    Just doesn’t make sense to me…but I would love it if that 3rd team were the Yankees (getting Cliff Lee). What do you think it would take to get Lee?

    • Reggie C.

      I think this rumor is going to get its own thread w/in the next half-hr.

      Halladay is supposed to in a Philly-area hotel right now according to Rotoworld. That part of Cliff Lee getting traded makes zero sense and it makes me doubt the whole thing. Keep both guys for 1 year , offer Lee arbitration, get back 2 draft picks when Lee signs with the Yanks.

  • Tampa Yankee

    2:55pm: Heyman says the Red Sox and Lackey are in agreement in a five-year, $85MM deal.

  • Ansky

    hmmm so the Sox just committed big money to another free agent once again. So…how long til the Sox trade Lackey to the Dodgers and pay 75% of the money owed on his contract?

  • Lanny

    Lackey certainly improves that rotation and gives them the best rotation in the league right now if all are healthy.

    • Drew

      Yeah Beckett and Dice-bb looked great last year.

  • Joe D.

    The Yankees are ruining competitive baseball with these endless attempts to out-and-out buy a World Championship. It makes me sick. They are destroying the greatest sport ever…don’t you Yankee fans care about that?

    Oh wait, *my* team signed Lackey for $85,000,000?

    Yay! Great signing, Theo! Excellent use of resources!

    /Sox Fan’d