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	<title>Comments on: Rumor du jour: Yanks interested in various agent starters</title>
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		<title>By: WayneD</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/rumor-du-jour-yanks-interested-in-various-agent-starters-20810/#comment-706357</link>
		<dc:creator>WayneD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody, including some of the paid pundits, seems to believe that the Jays will get a number of top prospects for Doc. Under the current conditions, that won&#039;t happen, and here&#039;s why.

The Jays know that if they don&#039;t trade Doc this off-season, they&#039;ll get two picks next year when Doc is signed by one of the following four teams: the Yankees, BoSox, Phillies, or Angels. (The Rangers or Seattle would be outside chances if either team has the money &amp;  believes it is one pitcher away from a WS appearance.)

You can rule the Angels out from the above list if they resign Lackey; Moreno won&#039;t spend that much money on two pitchers.

That leaves the Yankees, BoSox, and Phillies, which means the Jays will most likely receive no better than the 28th pick for Doc, plus a supplemental pick. Pretty crappy compensation for Doc, right?

So, the Jays absoultely MUST trade Doc this off-season, which means the Jays are NOT dealing from strength here. They&#039;ll be lucky to get one good pitching prospect (Joba/Hughes or Buchholz, plus one mediocre prospect. No way do they get A-Jax OR Montero or anybody similar from the BoSox . . . unless they can get the Yankees &amp; BoSox in a bidding war . . . and both team are too smart to do that, I believe.

Why? If the Yankees get Doc; Boston simply signs Lackey. If Boston gets Doc, the Yankees sign Lackey. Neither team will give up the farm for Doc, as long as Lackey&#039;s out there. 

Lackey isn&#039;t as good as Doc, but he&#039;ll cost far less &amp; he&#039;ll cost zero current prospects. As long as Lackey&#039;s out there, the Jays will get very little for Doc. I think they know that and, more importantly, I think Lackey&#039;s people know that, and they know his value will jump after Doc is traded; so, unless a phenominal deal comes in from LAA or Seattle, Lackey won&#039;t sign with anyone until Doc is moved.

The second Doc is traded to the Yankees, Angels, or Boston, Lackey&#039;s value jumps at least $10-15 million over 4-5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody, including some of the paid pundits, seems to believe that the Jays will get a number of top prospects for Doc. Under the current conditions, that won&#8217;t happen, and here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>The Jays know that if they don&#8217;t trade Doc this off-season, they&#8217;ll get two picks next year when Doc is signed by one of the following four teams: the Yankees, BoSox, Phillies, or Angels. (The Rangers or Seattle would be outside chances if either team has the money &amp;  believes it is one pitcher away from a WS appearance.)</p>
<p>You can rule the Angels out from the above list if they resign Lackey; Moreno won&#8217;t spend that much money on two pitchers.</p>
<p>That leaves the Yankees, BoSox, and Phillies, which means the Jays will most likely receive no better than the 28th pick for Doc, plus a supplemental pick. Pretty crappy compensation for Doc, right?</p>
<p>So, the Jays absoultely MUST trade Doc this off-season, which means the Jays are NOT dealing from strength here. They&#8217;ll be lucky to get one good pitching prospect (Joba/Hughes or Buchholz, plus one mediocre prospect. No way do they get A-Jax OR Montero or anybody similar from the BoSox . . . unless they can get the Yankees &amp; BoSox in a bidding war . . . and both team are too smart to do that, I believe.</p>
<p>Why? If the Yankees get Doc; Boston simply signs Lackey. If Boston gets Doc, the Yankees sign Lackey. Neither team will give up the farm for Doc, as long as Lackey&#8217;s out there. </p>
<p>Lackey isn&#8217;t as good as Doc, but he&#8217;ll cost far less &amp; he&#8217;ll cost zero current prospects. As long as Lackey&#8217;s out there, the Jays will get very little for Doc. I think they know that and, more importantly, I think Lackey&#8217;s people know that, and they know his value will jump after Doc is traded; so, unless a phenominal deal comes in from LAA or Seattle, Lackey won&#8217;t sign with anyone until Doc is moved.</p>
<p>The second Doc is traded to the Yankees, Angels, or Boston, Lackey&#8217;s value jumps at least $10-15 million over 4-5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: WayneD</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/rumor-du-jour-yanks-interested-in-various-agent-starters-20810/#comment-706348</link>
		<dc:creator>WayneD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 04:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Yankees seriously consider signing Pineiro and Wolf, Cashman should be shot.

Pineiro and Wolf are this year&#039;s JC. Penny(ies). They&#039;re strict good NL ptchers; that&#039;s it. They&#039;ll both pitch to a 5.50 ERA in the AL East.

And forget about Wang rejoining the Yankees. If I&#039;m reading between the lines correctly on the dozen or so stories I&#039;ve read on Wang, the Yankees don&#039;t believe Wang will be physically fit enough to be a real factor this year . . . so if they&#039;re going to gamble on extra pitching help (assuming Andy comes back), then Sheets is the better gamble.

I would say Wang will sign with the Dodgers. Torre likes him &amp; he won&#039;t cost the cash-strapped Dodgers much money.

He only comes back to the Yankees if he absolutely positively wants to, to the exclusion of all other teams in MLB. That&#039;s not likely. LA, for one, will give him more pitching opportunities in a division with a ton of AAA hitters, which will raise his market value immensely next season, assuming he signs a one year deal with LA, which is very likely, given their financial restraints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Yankees seriously consider signing Pineiro and Wolf, Cashman should be shot.</p>
<p>Pineiro and Wolf are this year&#8217;s JC. Penny(ies). They&#8217;re strict good NL ptchers; that&#8217;s it. They&#8217;ll both pitch to a 5.50 ERA in the AL East.</p>
<p>And forget about Wang rejoining the Yankees. If I&#8217;m reading between the lines correctly on the dozen or so stories I&#8217;ve read on Wang, the Yankees don&#8217;t believe Wang will be physically fit enough to be a real factor this year . . . so if they&#8217;re going to gamble on extra pitching help (assuming Andy comes back), then Sheets is the better gamble.</p>
<p>I would say Wang will sign with the Dodgers. Torre likes him &amp; he won&#8217;t cost the cash-strapped Dodgers much money.</p>
<p>He only comes back to the Yankees if he absolutely positively wants to, to the exclusion of all other teams in MLB. That&#8217;s not likely. LA, for one, will give him more pitching opportunities in a division with a ton of AAA hitters, which will raise his market value immensely next season, assuming he signs a one year deal with LA, which is very likely, given their financial restraints.</p>
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		<title>By: yankeewanabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>yankeewanabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ben sheets could be lighting in a bottle i or 2 yr deal relativley cheap and a possibillity to have a heathy top end of rotation pitcher you got to do that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ben sheets could be lighting in a bottle i or 2 yr deal relativley cheap and a possibillity to have a heathy top end of rotation pitcher you got to do that</p>
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		<title>By: Mike HC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike HC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 07:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys like Lackey don&#039;t just grow on trees.  If we can get him, we should get him.  You can wait for Felix, or Lee or some other guy, but I why wait when we can grab Lackey this year.  The Yanks don&#039;t need the best pitcher ever.  We need a guy who can eat innings and is reliable in the playoffs.  Lackey is perfect.

Even a guy like Halladay has had some years with shoulder problems.  So has AJ. So has a ton of other pitchers.  it is part of the job.  The fact that Lackey was so effective and productive even when coming off injuries in encouraging to me, not a negative.  His build is just as big as Halladay, and his delivery just as smooth.  He is not as good, but if we don&#039;t trade for Halladay, there is a good chance we never get a shot at him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys like Lackey don&#8217;t just grow on trees.  If we can get him, we should get him.  You can wait for Felix, or Lee or some other guy, but I why wait when we can grab Lackey this year.  The Yanks don&#8217;t need the best pitcher ever.  We need a guy who can eat innings and is reliable in the playoffs.  Lackey is perfect.</p>
<p>Even a guy like Halladay has had some years with shoulder problems.  So has AJ. So has a ton of other pitchers.  it is part of the job.  The fact that Lackey was so effective and productive even when coming off injuries in encouraging to me, not a negative.  His build is just as big as Halladay, and his delivery just as smooth.  He is not as good, but if we don&#8217;t trade for Halladay, there is a good chance we never get a shot at him.</p>
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		<title>By: currambayankees</title>
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		<dc:creator>currambayankees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked Sheets last year until we learned just how badly his injury was but I&#039;m still a fan of Sheets and would love for the Yanks to try to bring him aboard like you said on a 1-2yr decent deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Sheets last year until we learned just how badly his injury was but I&#8217;m still a fan of Sheets and would love for the Yanks to try to bring him aboard like you said on a 1-2yr decent deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt ACTY/BBD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt ACTY/BBD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IETC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IETC</p>
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		<title>By: Matt ACTY/BBD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt ACTY/BBD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They hired him &#039;cause he probably gets their site a good deal of attention. Yankee fans read because their team is mentioned, people who don&#039;t like the Yankees read because they want to get pissed that the Yankees are gonna sign so many people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They hired him &#8217;cause he probably gets their site a good deal of attention. Yankee fans read because their team is mentioned, people who don&#8217;t like the Yankees read because they want to get pissed that the Yankees are gonna sign so many people.</p>
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		<title>By: radnom</title>
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		<dc:creator>radnom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;
He’s not going to want to be part of a team with 6 legit MLB caliber starters; too risky, rotation wise.
&lt;/b&gt;

I don&#039;t think that would be an issue. 
Any team he went to, healthy Sheets = guaranteed rotation spot, no debate. That would include the Yankees in this scenario. 
From the team&#039;s side, it wouldn&#039;t hurt to have Hughes as the 6th starter--everyone knows how much use they get, especially with such an injury prone rotation as they would have.</description>
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He’s not going to want to be part of a team with 6 legit MLB caliber starters; too risky, rotation wise.<br />
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<p>I don&#8217;t think that would be an issue.<br />
Any team he went to, healthy Sheets = guaranteed rotation spot, no debate. That would include the Yankees in this scenario.<br />
From the team&#8217;s side, it wouldn&#8217;t hurt to have Hughes as the 6th starter&#8211;everyone knows how much use they get, especially with such an injury prone rotation as they would have.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy in Sunny Daytona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy in Sunny Daytona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That team must run the wishbone.</description>
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		<title>By: JMK aka The Overshare</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMK aka The Overshare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. Let me explain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. Let me explain&#8230;</p>
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