Comments on: The difference between Posada and Molina’s game calling http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:17:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: A (somewhat) informed look at Posada vs. Molina | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-727292 A (somewhat) informed look at Posada vs. Molina | River Avenue Blues Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:31:49 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-727292 [...] week I linked to a THT article looking at the difference in pitch selection between Jorge Posada and Jose Molina whenever CC [...] [...] week I linked to a THT article looking at the difference in pitch selection between Jorge Posada and Jose Molina whenever CC [...]

]]> By: toad http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-725750 toad Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:26:37 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-725750 You are ignoring the 10 year delay in payments. Earning 8% over ten years more than doubles the original amount. So it would have gone to $12.74 million before being turned into a 25 yr. annuity. Eight percent is a lot more than the Mets would have gotten in a savings account, but was probably not too high. In 2000, 30-yr Treasuries were yielding generally between 5.5 and 6%, so there was a 2% premium for the fact that the Mets are not the US government. The prime rate at the time was running 8.5% to 9.5%, so I'm guessing they just took that as the rate to apply. It turned out well for Bonilla, of course, but was hardly a dumb thing for the Mets to do. You are ignoring the 10 year delay in payments. Earning 8% over ten years more than doubles the original amount. So it would have gone to $12.74 million before being turned into a 25 yr. annuity.

Eight percent is a lot more than the Mets would have gotten in a savings account, but was probably not too high. In 2000, 30-yr Treasuries were yielding generally between 5.5 and 6%, so there was a 2% premium for the fact that the Mets are not the US government.

The prime rate at the time was running 8.5% to 9.5%, so I’m guessing they just took that as the rate to apply.

It turned out well for Bonilla, of course, but was hardly a dumb thing for the Mets to do.

]]> By: AJ Burnett's Chin Music ensemble http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-725172 AJ Burnett's Chin Music ensemble Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:34:19 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-725172 you know the Mets are going after BENGIE Molina and not JOSE Molina right...I mean Jose is worthless but Bengie can be a Met...ha ha A MET...Maybe Jose can back him up? Mets suck. you know the Mets are going after BENGIE Molina and not JOSE Molina right…I mean Jose is worthless but Bengie can be a Met…ha ha A MET…Maybe Jose can back him up? Mets suck.

]]> By: MoJO http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-725019 MoJO Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:16:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-725019 Just so you know, a $5.9mln present value spread out over 25 years for $1,193,248.20/year works out to an interest rate of 20.013%. Either someone has the facts wrong or Bobby B made Warren B look like an armature investor. And over 35 years it’s interest rate of 20.1921%. Just so you know, a $5.9mln present value spread out over 25 years for $1,193,248.20/year works out to an interest rate of 20.013%. Either someone has the facts wrong or Bobby B made Warren B look like an armature investor. And over 35 years it’s interest rate of 20.1921%.

]]> By: A.D. http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-724885 A.D. Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:57:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-724885 I'm aware, the reason they likely put in the paragraph is so that someone that has no clue doesn't go NO WAY THAT DOESN'T ADD UP!!!! I’m aware, the reason they likely put in the paragraph is so that someone that has no clue doesn’t go NO WAY THAT DOESN’T ADD UP!!!!

]]> By: Mike HC http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-724799 Mike HC Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:08:23 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-724799 also preventing wild pitches, which don't count as passed balls. also preventing wild pitches, which don’t count as passed balls.

]]> By: Hobbes http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-724770 Hobbes Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:59:00 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-724770 Mike, you are usually the best of the bunch here at RAB, but your desire to quickly brush off the results of this extremely well put together analysis is surprising. the conclusions are dramatic, and I thought that a stat obsessed website like RAB would treat this kind of analysis with the weight it deserves. The article says, conclusively, that Molina calls a better game, and gets significantly better results. Not because of he has physical talents that posada doesn't, but because of intelligently calling the pitches in a more successful sequence. Posada should be able to learn that, no? For a site which so readily obsesses over a 2% difference in OPS, I am surprised you would flippantly toss this analysis out, it is right up your alley. Mike, you are usually the best of the bunch here at RAB, but your desire to quickly brush off the results of this extremely well put together analysis is surprising. the conclusions are dramatic, and I thought that a stat obsessed website like RAB would treat this kind of analysis with the weight it deserves. The article says, conclusively, that Molina calls a better game, and gets significantly better results. Not because of he has physical talents that posada doesn’t, but because of intelligently calling the pitches in a more successful sequence. Posada should be able to learn that, no?

For a site which so readily obsesses over a 2% difference in OPS, I am surprised you would flippantly toss this analysis out, it is right up your alley.

]]> By: sabes http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-724693 sabes Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:29:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-724693 "even if it means sacrificing an extra 90 OPS points to the opposition. The difference in offense – 325 OPS pt advantage over Molina, for example – makes up for it." Yeah, but the .325 difference is for one player. The .090 difference is for the entire team. “even if it means sacrificing an extra 90 OPS points to the opposition. The difference in offense – 325 OPS pt advantage over Molina, for example – makes up for it.”

Yeah, but the .325 difference is for one player. The .090 difference is for the entire team.

]]> By: Rich http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-724661 Rich Fri, 18 Dec 2009 20:17:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-724661 Very illogical post. Trying to discredit statistics that apply to the entire staff by looking at a stat related to one pitcher? Crazy. Plus, I wouldn't expect any difference between Molina and Posada to be demonstated based on analysis of the best pitcher on the staff. The value of a catcher's game calling would be best shown by looking at pitchers without dominating stuff, where deception is more important. This post looks like you shopped statistics in order to find one you liked and proved your point of view. Very deceitful Very illogical post. Trying to discredit statistics that apply to the entire staff by looking at a stat related to one pitcher? Crazy. Plus, I wouldn’t expect any difference between Molina and Posada to be demonstated based on analysis of the best pitcher on the staff. The value of a catcher’s game calling would be best shown by looking at pitchers without dominating stuff, where deception is more important.

This post looks like you shopped statistics in order to find one you liked and proved your point of view. Very deceitful

]]> By: Jim http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/the-difference-between-posada-and-molinas-game-calling-21442/#comment-724556 Jim Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:30:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=21442#comment-724556 It's odd that Burnett hasn't figured out that Jorge's bat is worth more in the lineup than Molina's defense/ability to call a game. Maybe someone here should explain it to him. It would certainly be in his best interest to figure that out. Posada is a well above average as a hitter, and not exactly great defensively (we all watched the WS, right?). I don't know where he ranks in calling a game, but I'm going to believe that Girardi and Burnett know more about that than anyone writing on this site. Well, except for all of you out there with years of experience pitching, catching or managing in the big leagues. Burnett's statement that it didn't matter who caught for him was meaningless. It was one of those statements like "I support the troops." What else can he say? "No comment" is not an option. "Would you rather have Molina or Posada catch you?" "No comment." "Hmmm... I wonder what he means by that?" It is disappointing to see the sarcastic parenthetical statement in the main article, "he sure helped A.J. Burnett in Game 5 of both the ALCS and World Series, right?" What's that all about? I thought this site was one that eschewed small sample sizes. To cherry-pick two games to support an argument is ridiculous. One game of the WS doesn't prove anything, any more than Game 2 proves Molina is a genius. Either don't use small sample sizes, or stop complaining when others do. It will be interesting to see who catches AJ next year. If it ends up being Cervelli (or whoever), then it will start to look suspiciously like "anybody but Posada." Or, it might all go away as we start the countdown to Jorge doing more and more DH-ing. It’s odd that Burnett hasn’t figured out that Jorge’s bat is worth more in the lineup than Molina’s defense/ability to call a game. Maybe someone here should explain it to him. It would certainly be in his best interest to figure that out.

Posada is a well above average as a hitter, and not exactly great defensively (we all watched the WS, right?). I don’t know where he ranks in calling a game, but I’m going to believe that Girardi and Burnett know more about that than anyone writing on this site. Well, except for all of you out there with years of experience pitching, catching or managing in the big leagues.

Burnett’s statement that it didn’t matter who caught for him was meaningless. It was one of those statements like “I support the troops.” What else can he say? “No comment” is not an option. “Would you rather have Molina or Posada catch you?” “No comment.” “Hmmm… I wonder what he means by that?”

It is disappointing to see the sarcastic parenthetical statement in the main article, “he sure helped A.J. Burnett in Game 5 of both the ALCS and World Series, right?” What’s that all about? I thought this site was one that eschewed small sample sizes. To cherry-pick two games to support an argument is ridiculous. One game of the WS doesn’t prove anything, any more than Game 2 proves Molina is a genius. Either don’t use small sample sizes, or stop complaining when others do.

It will be interesting to see who catches AJ next year. If it ends up being Cervelli (or whoever), then it will start to look suspiciously like “anybody but Posada.” Or, it might all go away as we start the countdown to Jorge doing more and more DH-ing.

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