Dec
11

The market for Harden, the market for Sheets

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They Yankees could, if they were so inclined, enter the 2010 season without adding another starting pitcher. After bringing back Andy Pettitte, they have five starting pitchers in him, CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Joba Chamberlain, and Phil Hughes. Since they continue to see Hughes and Chamberlain as starters, they might want to let both of them, entering their age-24 seasons, to start the season in the rotation. Yet both have struggled at times as starters, and the team might want to bring in a veteran to add some competition in Spring Training.

John Lackey sits atop the free agent market, and could be a potential solution. Even in years when he has missed time with injuries, as he has the past few years, he’s still thrown over 160 innings. He’d slot into the rotation behind Burnett, moving Pettitte to four and allowing for a competition between Hughes and Chamberlain for five. By adding Lackey, the Yankees would certainly bolster their rotation. But that doesn’t come without drawbacks.

While he probably won’t get it, Lackey wants more years and dollars than A.J. Burnett. No one gets more than they ask for, so we can expect Lackey’s price to drop, probably right into the Burnett range. That would represent the third long-term pitching contract the Yankees will have handed out in the past two off-seasons. I’m not sure they’re so inclined to do that, especially with a second pitcher who has shown something of an injury streak. And that’s before the payroll implications.

Another path the Yankees could explore is a high-risk starter — someone with a high ceiling but who has battled injury problems over the past few years. These pitchers will not command nearly the years or dollars of Lackey, so if they don’t fulfill their promise in 2010, teams aren’t on the hook for future years and dollars. The 2009-2010 free agent class features a number of these, though their numbers are already dwindling.

At the Winter Meetings on Wednesday, the Texas Rangers signed Rich Harden to a one-year, $7.5 million contract. It will pay him $6.5 million in 2010 with a chance to earn $3.5 million in incentives. The extra million comes as a buyout of a 2011 option of $11 million. Now that the first risky starter has dropped, perhaps the market will become more clear. That could be good for the Yankees, who have contacted Casey Close, agent for Ben Sheets (also, Derek Jeter). Harden’s deal might give them a better idea of what to expect from Sheets contract-wise.

For his part, Sheets doesn’t want to take a paycut from his 2008 salary, which was $12 million. It’s unlikely any team offers Sheets that much money guaranteed, but hey, he won’t get more than he asks for. That $12 million could provide a good basis for an incentive-laden contract, much like Harden’s.

The knock on Sheets is that he missed all of 2009 with a torn flexor tendon in his right elbow. It’s another in a long line of injuries, though he’s really had only one arm injury in the past, a shoulder issue that recurred not long after he returned from it. Even so, he might be less of an injury risk than Harden. Over the past three seasons (and remember, Sheets missed all of the last one), Sheets has pitched 339.2 innings. In that span, Harden threw 314.2 innings.

Chances are, it will take more than the Harden deal to acquire Sheets, but probably not much more. As ESPN’s Keith Law notes, “the year off may do him wonders, as he’s had a lot of non-arm injuries that have limited his workload for the past few years, and he was never terrible when pitching at less than 100 percent.” So how can we take that information, along with Harden’s contract, and make a fair proposal?

I’m sure Brian Cashman is on the case. Signing John Lackey will mean a huge commitment in years and dollars, and trading for Roy Halladay will mean a huge commitment in prospects (plus, possibly years and dollars). Sheets is a shorter-term option who has plenty of upside. More upside, probably, than Harden, if for no other reason than Sheets walks about half the batters Harden does. Would a one-year contract with $8 million guaranteed, plus incentives to push that around $12, $13 million, with a vesting option, work? Here’s to hoping. That would be a value on the free agent contract, and leave the Yanks a bit of flexibility to upgrade left field.

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181 Comments»

  1. Abe says:

    I’m all for signing Sheets. But $8 million guaranteed seems like a bit much for a pitcher who missed all of 2009.

  2. ADam says:

    Sheets – 1 Year 5 Mill with Incentives … Tops…

  3. Nitpick: Hughes is 9 months younger than Joba. Joba turns 25 at the end of the season (September), Phil turns 24 midway through the season (June).

    I wouldn’t call 2010 both Joba and Hughes’s “age-24 season”. 2010 is Joba’s age-24 season, 2011 is Phil’s age 24 season.

    JMHO.

  4. J says:

    Sheets at 1 year and 9 million with incentives bumping it to 12. If his innings incentives are met, he will be more then worth the 12. Plus, the Yankees would get a draft pick compensation at the least next offseason. This is one instance the Yankees should definitely take advantage of their money.

    I would rather have Sheets on a 1 year deal then Lackey on a 5. Lackey will have some sort of surgery soon; two straight years having the same injury reeks of long term issues. He is not the same pitcher he was 3 or 4 years ago.

    • Doug says:

      “I would rather have Sheets on a 1 year deal then Lackey on a 5.”

      no question

    • Abe says:

      I think we would all rather have Sheets for 1 year than Lackey for 5. However, the two options having little to do with one another. The reason I wouldn’t want Sheets on a $9 million guaranteed contract is because the money could be spent elsewhere (Cameron or Matsui). So if we believe the Yankees have a $185-$200 million cap then I would rather invest that money in more secure investments like the aforementioned Cameron and/or Matsui. If the Yanks are willing to go over that cap then I would love to have Sheets.

      • J says:

        I agree. However, my feeling is that this is the type situation where the cap should be secondary. I realize every business has a budget, and the Yankees are no exception. It is rare a pitcher like Sheets would sign a one year deal though, and it could pay huge dividends. Going over the cap by a couple million for Sheets is well worth it, IMO

        • Abe says:

          Agree. But if there is a cap I would rather go for the safer bets.

          • J says:

            That’s fair. I wonder who would actually have a bigger positive impact on the team, Cameron with his bat and strong D or an ace level Sheets. You’re probably right.

            I still want Sheets though ;)

  5. Zack says:

    8m guaranteed sounds alot for a guy who hasnt pitched in over a year, when he was suppose to sign with Texas to pitch half way through last season.

    Then again Penny got 7.5m and Wolf got 30m so who knows he might get it.

    • J says:

      8 million is reasonable. Sheets is dominant when healthy, and Keith Law wrote that this arm injury isn’t necessarily that serious of an issue. When Penny makes 7.5 as you said, there is no reason Sheets doesn’t deserve a similar base with a strong innings incentive bonus. Those innings would be well worth it, and perhaps he winds up a type A FA (Wagner was after his injury for some reason…)

      • Doug says:

        “Keith Law wrote that this arm injury isn’t necessarily that serious of an issue.”

        in fairness, he didn’t say that it wasn’t serious. and i quote:
        “Sheets ended up missing the entire 2009 season after undergoing surgery to repair a torn flexor tendon in his elbow — that is, an elbow operation considered less serious than Tommy John surgery”

        • J says:

          Right. He also didn’t say it WAS serious. I read it that Tommy John is a 1 year recovery, 2 years till full strength, and if it’s not as serious as TJ, the rehab and recovery wouldn’t be as long. I’m not a doctor though so I have zero clue; it’s pure speculation on my part.

      • Zack says:

        Sheets was dominant when he was healthy yes, he also just had sugery. And atleast Penny actually pitched last year, and did well in the NL.

        When was the last time Sheets pitched? Did he take part in any fall or winter leagues? He hasnt pitched since 9/27/08 and is coming off arm surgery, dont see how 8m is reasonable.

  6. JFH says:

    why roll the dice on sheets but not wang? is it only b/c of the expectation that wang will not be ready until mid season?

  7. Reggie C. says:

    I don’t know why Cash is meeting with Casey Close. Why can’t it be to discuss the parameters of an extension for DJ? Why are we assuming the discussion is re: Ben Sheets?

    Cash seems committed to keeping Joba a starter. The question now is: Is Cash committed to fill that last rotation spot with another kid (Hughes)? We’ve seen Hughes dominate as a set-up man. With Bruney gone and Robertson not possessing nearly as good stuff, should Cash keep Hughes in the ‘pen it won’t be met with opposition.

    Will Ben Sheets outpitch Phil? OH hells yeah … but I think Hughes will outperform the league avg 5th starter, and Hughes will probably throw as many innings as Sheets. Pass on Sheets. Sheets wants a chance to start 30 games, and frankly, he deserves too. Let Sheets do it with the Mets.

  8. Dan says:

    I completely agree with signing Sheets. If he was willing to take an incentive-laden contact with a base salry of $7-8 million, it’d be a fair deal. As the third or fourth starter he won’t have to pitch as many innings, and thanks to the decent Yankee bullpen he won’t be pressured to go deep into games. With his high ceiling, he’d be a great pickup. Plus he already has a rapport with CC.

  9. Evil Empire says:

    I don’t think many people would object to signing Sheets in and of itself. Having Phil Hughes as your #6 starter is serious depth.

    So long as getting him doesn’t preclude signing some combination of Damon/Cameron/Matsui/Johnson (or at least one of them), seems like an easy choice.

    The only question, in theory, is if the Yankees wish to spend the requisite amount of money needed to acquire 2 or 3 of the aforementioned players, including Sheets.

  10. You know who should be all over Ben Sheets like white on rice?

    The Pacific Time Zone Angels of Anaheim, Los Angeles, and California.

    • Evil Empire says:

      Agreed. Ditto the Mariners.

      • You know, in Safeco, with the M’s defense behind him, he might have a sub-1.50 ERA.

      • What’s the M’s rotation at this point?

        Rotation candidates (with 2009 ERA+)
        Definites:
        King Felix (174)
        Ian Snell (103)

        Other guys who started games for someone in 2009 who are currently on the M’s 40-man:
        Ryan Rowland-Smith* (116)
        Doug Fister (105)
        Brandon Morrow* (99)
        Jason Vargas (88)
        Chris Jaukubauskas (81)
        Yusimero Petit (79)
        Garrett Olson* (77)
        Luke French* (65)
        Carlos Silva (50)
        Gaby Hernandez (quality prospect)

        They’ve got so many potential rotation guys, I bet they don’t add any starting pitchers and just roll with what they’ve got. Spend the rest of the budget on offense somewhere.

    • jsbrendog says:

      The Pacific Time Zone Angels of Anaheim, Los Angeles, and California of disney movie fame

      go hard or go home

    • J says:

      Yankees should be on him as well. Depth is a great thing to have, and he would get 30 starts with the team.

      I am a huge Sheets fan, but I want him for depth. I do worry about relying on Joba and Hughes, but I also realize that at some point they need to allow them to prove themselves.

      It’s a great situation to be in.

      • Bronx Cheer says:

        That is just it … “they need to allow them to prove themselves.”

        Couple that need to give our two young guys a legit shot at starting with holes at LF and DH and only $10-15M more to spend on those spots plus the rest of the roster, and I think Sheets has no spot on the Yanks. At this point, I think re-signing Wang or the like to a make-do contract with incentives (and no promise of an instant rotation spot when healthy) is more likely. If one of the two young guys completely bomb after a legit shot (two months or so), then you have some insurance. Likewise for an injury. If all goes well, then Wang becomes the swing man (or trade fodder) and uses that chance to prove he is healthy for his next contract.

        Don’t get me wrong, Sheets is a good pickup. I just think the roster needs (and Cashman believes it needs) some cost effective young guys being relied upon for production to balance out the current and future big money deals. Very few of the top starters in the game dominate consistently from day one. You have got to give them the ball every turn in the rotation and let them grow, or pay them insane money in free agency after they go through their growing pains with another organization.

  11. terri says:

    Let’s keep in mind that Sheets pitched in the NATIONAL league…Yanks haven’t had much luck with that…

  12. Patch says:

    I think that next season’s FAs will affect what we do this offseason. Both Cliff Lee and Halladay will be a FA, along with some other good options.

    Here is a list from MLBRumors.com:

    Starting pitchers
    Bronson Arroyo (34) – $11MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Josh Beckett (31)
    Joe Blanton (30)
    Jeremy Bonderman (28)
    Dave Bush (31)
    Matt Cain (26) – $6.25MM vesting option
    Kevin Correia (30)
    Jorge De La Rosa (30)
    Jeff Francis (29) – $7MM club option
    Freddy Garcia (35)
    Chad Gaudin (28)
    Roy Halladay (34)
    Rich Harden (29) – $11MM mutual option with $1MM buyout
    Aaron Harang (33) – $12.75MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Hiroki Kuroda (36)
    Cliff Lee (32)
    Ted Lilly (35)
    Kevin Millwood (36)
    Sergio Mitre (30)
    Brian Moehler (39)
    Jamie Moyer (48)
    Carl Pavano (35)
    Brad Penny (33)
    Andy Pettitte (39)
    Tim Redding (33)
    Nate Robertson (33)
    Jeff Suppan (36) – $12.75MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Koji Uehara (36)
    Javier Vazquez (34)
    Brandon Webb (32)
    Jake Westbrook (33)
    Dontrelle Willis (29)
    Chris Young (32) – $8.5MM club option

  13. PaaakmaaaN says:

    Let’s say the Yankees do sign either Lackey or Sheets, what do you think they do with Joba and Hughes?

    Also where will they go next, what else do they have to do

  14. Neil B. says:

    so assuming the Yankees are actually committed to staying around $200M, there’s no chance of getting Sheets, correct?

    certainly there can’t be if Damon relents and ends up signing – his $10M by itself would bring the budget to the limit.

    but if Sheets signs for $8M base, and then the Yankees find a DH for $5-7Mish (Matsui could be $6.5M, right?), non-tendering Gaudin would leave them around $201M, which seems pretty decent.

    what’s better, having Sheets and a DH who can’t play the field, or having a Damon/Cameron type and Gaudin as pitching depth?

    • PaaakmaaaN says:

      i like the sheets and a dh idea.. we don’t need a dh to play the field we have gardner and mr. rule V draft pick Jamie Hoffman

  15. terri says:

    AL vs. NL

    The american league has the DH and has far better hitters than the national

    check out the pitchers that the yanks have gotten from the national league and show me one that did well

    when american league pitchers go to the national…they tend to do good, when national league pitchers go to the american laegue…not so good….granted there are some notable exceptions

    • Thomas says:

      Yes, the AL has better teams and a DH. Additionally, most pitchers put up better numbers in the NL than the AL, because of this fact.

      However, if a pitcher from the NL is talented enough, he can definitely succeed in the AL. Probably not with the same numbers, but he still can be a very good pitchers. Thus, I doubt Sheets will put up a 2.50 ERA like in the NL, but if he is healthy, I would suspect he could post a 3.50 ERA in the AL.

      Also, the Yankees have four starters who pitched in the NL: Sabathia, Pettitte, Burnett, and Gaudin. All, except for Gaudin (who has pitched better in the AL), followed a pattern similar to what I laid out above (great stats in the NL and worse, but still very, very good stats in the AL). So it can be done by the Yankees.

      • terri says:

        good point, but CC & Andy did start in the AL…and if the talent is there, then yes, they can do it…but TALENT is the operative word here…or maybe i still can’t shake Pavano out of my head

        • Quoting myself:

          AJ Burnett, Josh Beckett, Curt Schilling, Pedro Martinez. All National League guys who, like Ben Sheets, came over into the AL East with solid ace potential and overpowering, strikeout stuff.

          All did just fine.

          http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-714069

          • terri says:

            that is some class of pitcher you are putting ben sheets in with….do you think he is of that caliber? and we cannot discount his health issues…they are real, so the if healthy argument does not apply…and me think the list of unsuccessful pitchers is 4-5 times longer

            • Thomas says:

              While Ben Sheets is worse than Schilling and Pedro (both of those guys are likely HOF and Pedro is one of the greatest pitchers ever), I’d say Sheets is on par with Burnett and Beckett in terms of pure stuff, command, and injury-proneness. If he is healthy (something that would be checked before any signing), he can easily have a season similar to Beckett’s and Burnett’s AL seasons.

    • DP says:

      Ask Barry Zito how the NL is working out

    • Zack says:

      “granted there are some notable exceptions”

      -If you have mediocre stuff you’re mediocre in the NL and suck in the AL
      -If you have great stuff you’re great in the NL and great in the AL

  16. Abe says:

    With payroll restrictions, I would go with Matsui and Cameron and call it an offseason. The Yankees have some pitching depth behind Gaudin. Keeping Matsui in the 5 hole and replacing Melky with Cameron’s D and bat in the 9 hole would make the team noticeably better than last year, assuming everyone stays healthy again. Then again, I am afraid to pass on Sheets and him having a dominant comeback season that he is capable of. Therefore I hope it is Cameron + Matsui + Sheets. Pretty optimistic but I would be very pleased and confident going

  17. Guest says:

    What happens to Joba/Phil if we sign Sheets? If the money is there, I would obviously prefer that the Yankees sign Sheets because it seems like a pretty low risk high reward move. (If it doesn’t work, its only a one year commitment and our staff will still be sufficiently solid to win).

    I ask because there doesn’t seem to be a snowball’s chance in heck that the loser of the Joba/Phil 5th start competition would get sent to AAA to hone the craft of becoming a starter? That would be a very difficult move to pull of since the entire fanbase/management has seen that Joba/Phil can be highly effective out of the pen. And even if the Yanks do send the loser of the fifth starter competition down to AAA, how shortly after the first game the pen blows in “Teh Eighth!!!111!!!” will that guy be called up to be “The Bridge to Mariano”? 10, 20 seconds?

    So signing Sheets pretty much guarantees that we would lose one more year in development for either Phil/Joba as starters. Furthermore,another year out of the pen would cement the idea that the loser of the fifth starter competition is not a “stahtin pitchuh!”

    Again, I think that the upside Sheets bring to the table is more than likely worth this headache; but we should certainly acknowledge the fact that it will undermine our hope that both Joba and Phil will become bigtime starters (for the Yanks, at least).

    • PaaakmaaaN says:

      but imagine if we get sheets…our starting rotation is sooo solid.

      1. CC
      2. AJ
      3. Sheets/Pettitte
      4. Sheets/Pettitte
      5. Joba/Hughes

      can u beat that?

    • Abe says:

      If Sheets pitches well then he probably deserves to start over one of Joba or Phil. If not, he won’t start and that’s that. It’s a very good problem to have.

      • Abe says:

        And that view assumes that everyone in the rotation stays healthy which is far from a guarantee.

      • Bronx Cheer says:

        “If not, he won’t start and that’s that.” – ABSOLUTELY FALSE

        If we sign him, promises will be made to give him a “fair” chance to prove himself. He’d have to outright bomb on 2/3 of his starts before he is removed from the rotation. What if he is just merely sucking (e.g., >1.5 WIP or >5 FIP)? Then he’d likely be run out there every five days, killing the bullpen, all the while taking an opportunity from one of Phil/Joba to prove they can do the same for less than a tenth of the cost and taking up $ that could have been spent on LF or DH.

        • Abe says:

          I don’t know about ABSOLUTELY FALSE. You may be correct about this and in that case I have little interest in having him on the Yankees (not that my opinion means anything to anyone besides myself). But I don’t think Cashman would make these promises, or at least I hope not.

          • Bronx Cheer says:

            Sheets wouldn’t sign with us otherwise. He’ll go somewhere that has huge holes in the rotation or that expressly promises to give him enough starts (20+?) to round into shape. Hell, even Smoltz, crappy as he was, arm hanging by a thread and having a giant fork sticking out of his back, complained about not getting a fair shot to round into shape when the Bosox DFAed him. When you demote/cut proud vets like this before they have completely and utterly embarrassed themselves (especially where escalators are involved), you piss them and their agents off and get a reputation in the league for being a team that doesn’t care about its players. While it is debatable whether this reputation truly matters in the larger scheme, my opinion is that the Yanks believe it does.

            With the way the Yanks have given consistent starts to the likes of the Ponsons and Mitres of the world despite poor performances, do you really think they would have a hair trigger with a guy having Sheets’ track record?

            • Abe says:

              This is likely true. And this is yet another reason, which I didn’t think about until this point that makes it unlikely that Sheets ends up a Yankee. I think Cashman values flexibility and won’t want to make any such promises to a pitcher who missed all of 2009. I am ready for a Joba Hughes 4-5 anyhow and that is what I anticipate we see going into the season.

    • Charlie says:

      I don’t think it is so obvious that Cashman wouldn’t sent Joba down to AAA. Weren’t there rumors to that effect circulating around August?

    • If we signed Sheets, I would hope we’d take the loser of the Joba/Phil spring training competition and put him in Scranton, working on his craft as a starter and awaiting the forthcoming AJ/Andy/Sheets injury.

      (commence shitstorming about how they have nothing to learn in AAA and should be in the bullpen helping the big league team, even though that bullpen role has a way of becoming permanent and probably exposes the prospect to undue injury risk if he does transition from bullpen to rotation midseason).

      I want the 6th starter to be a 6th starter, not a bullpen guy. We have plenty of bullpen guys. 6th starters are important too.

      • Abe says:

        Agreed. And especially when it comes to Joba – I get the feeling the MSM gets to him and makes him truly believe that he is ‘meant to be the 8th inning guy,’ He clearly has a lot to learn when comes to pitching efficiently, and I think AAA could only help while the bullpen will stifle his development.

        • If we don’t sign Sheets, we should do this:

          CC-AJ-Andy-Joba-Hughes in the rotation, Gaudin as the 6th starter waiting in the big league bullpen, Nova and Mitre as the 7th and 8th starters waiting in Scranton.

          If we DO sign Sheets, we should do this:

          CC-AJ-Andy-Sheets-Joba in the rotation, Hughes as the 6th starter waiting in Scranton, Gaudin as the 7th starter waiting in the big league bullpen, Nova and Mitre as the 8th and 9th starters waiting in Scranton.

          • Abe says:

            Yea that makes sense. I would do something of the sort if they sign Sheets. That being said, I feel that between Joba and Phil, Joba could benefit from AAA more than Phil could. I’m speculating here, but Joba has been sort of rushed throughout his pro career while the yanks took their time with Hughes. Joba has the better stuff, but I just get the sense that Joba also has more to learn.

      • DP says:

        Does Phil still have options?

        • vin says:

          I believe he has 2 remaining.

          IIRC, he was added to the 40 man prior to his callup in 2007. Pitched in the big leagues, got injured, worked in minor league games as part of his rehab, but was back up by the end of the year. No options used.

          He broke camp on the 25 man roster in 2008 – got injured, appeared in 8 minor league games as part of his rehab, but was back up by the end of the year. No options used.

          In 2009 he was optioned to SWB at the end of ST, got called up in April, and remained up the entire year. 1 option used.

          Where I may be wrong is in the length of his rehab starts – not sure if he exceeded the alotted time and that counted as an option.

          I’m still not sure why player options are such a mystery – there should be a database of this stuff.

      • Evil Empire says:

        Well to me, I think Joba gets first shot at the #5 spot unless his arm falls off in ST. He’s good for 180 innings and he’s earned the right to a spot.

        As for Hughes, I’d prefer to put him into the bullpen and if we need a long term replacement, send him down, stretch him out proper-like, and then call him back up. If we just need to cover 1 or 2 starts, use Chadio Gaundintre

      • Bronx Cheer says:

        Never going to happen (Joba/Phil to AAA to stay a starter), which is one of the reasons why I am not interested in Sheets.

        Further, is this insurance really all that necessary? We will retain at least one of Gaudin and Mitre, and we already have Aceves, Nova, and ZMac on the 40 man. I have every faith that this group would be able to give us an above replacement level, if not league average, 10-15 starts. If all hell breaks loose in the rotation, and one of these candidates doesn’t step up, then you scramble and look for a pickup from the Royals and Pirates of the world.

        • Nitpick: ZMac’s not on the 40 man.

          Other than that, I agree on everything. I love Sheets, but I’d rather just give Joba and Phil the rotation spots they have earned through their talent, ability, and demonstrated ability to be a successful big league starter.

        • Evil Empire says:

          You can never have too much starting pitching. I whole heartedly want to see Joba and Phranchise as starters too, but the opportunity to have Sheets in the rotation – and the extra depth that provides – is too tempting to turn down. Its not the end of the world if Phil waits one more year and solidifies the ‘pen in 2010.

          • Bronx Cheer says:

            Fine, lets set our 40 man with 40 pitchers, then. Or maybe sign Lackey and Sheets, and then trade for Halladay. We can have a battle royale in spring training to see who gets to start, and the loser can pitch the eighth.

            Your statement is as true as saying you can never have too much hitting. You can’t focus merely on one side of the equation.

            Assuming we are approaching our payroll ceiling, money is better spent on replacing Damon and Matsui with somebody other than a craptacular smörgåsbord of at bats from Cabrerra and someone else from the bench (one of Gardner, Hoffman, Pena, and Cervelli EVERY DAY if we have a rotating DH).

            In a world where we have unlimited payroll to sign Sheets plus fill the DH and LF roles with a free agent, and where the team actually would consider sending Phil/Joba to AAA to get innings, fine. But that isn’t the case.

            • Evil Empire says:

              I do agree with this, if Sheets precludes us from acquiring a LF and/or DH, I wouldn’t be interested. If the Yankees are strictly adhering to that $200M cap than yeah, he wouldn’t make sense.

              Its a cost effective move though, the team would be right around its 2009 payroll level I think.

        • Abe says:

          Agree. I think it’s their time.

    • yankeewanabe says:

      cahman said on the mike francessa show he want another Pitcher for competion on the last 2 spost on the 5 man rotation. he also indicted the move would alow a look at lfers

  18. vin says:

    Surprised I haven’t seen Duchscherer’s name mentioned anywhere. He seems to be an interesting fit simply because the Yanks can go into ST with a 3 man competition for the final two roster spots – with the loser going to the BP. All 3 guys have experience in the pen and in the rotation.

    He’d also sign for less than Harden.

    1) Damon 2/20
    2) Matsui 1/7
    3) Duchscherer 1/5
    4) win # 28

  19. PaaakmaaaN says:

    Olney heard the Blue Jays’ asking price of the Phillies for Roy Halladay “is about the same” as it was in July. That doesn’t seem logical, but we are talking about two different GMs here. Olney was able to confirm the reported Halladay demands the Jays made of the Yankees: Jesus Montero, Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, and more.

    So does this mean Halladay demands to be traded to the Yanks?

    this is on mlbtraderumors

  20. theyankeewarrior says:

    Let’s say the Yankees get Sheets at 8M + incentives. That, along with Damon AND Matsui coming back would put the Yankees around 213M for the 2010 payroll. I’m not saying this is what should or will happen, but if you look at these salaries, it give you a better feel for what they have the room to accomplish.

    I’m figuring they want payroll to be as close to 200M as possible, so maybe one of Damon/Matsui is toast. Or maybe a guy like Gaudin gets non-tendered. Feel free to insert Nick Johnson or Mike Cameron also (possibly for less $$)

    Rotation:
    CC Sabathia Ace 23M
    AJ Burnett 2 16.5M
    Andy Pettitte 3 11.75
    Ben Sheets 4 8M
    Joba Chamberlain 4 .5M

    Bullpen:
    Mariano Rivera CL 15M
    Phil Hughes SU .5M
    Damaso Marte LHP 4M
    David Robertson RHP .5M
    Mark Melancon LHP .5M
    Alfredo Aceves RP .5M
    Chad Gaudin LM 3M

    Lineup:
    Derek Jeter SS 21M
    Johnny Damon LF 11M
    Mark Teixeria 1B 20M
    Alex Rodriguez 3B 32M
    Hideki Matsui DH 7M
    Curtis Granderson CF 5.5M
    Jorge Posada C 13M
    Robinson Cano 2B 9M
    Nick Swisher RF 6.75M

    Bench:
    Melky Cabrera UOF/PR 2M
    Francisco Cervelli BC .5M
    Ramiro Pena UIF .5M
    Brett Gardner PH/UT .5M

    • Neil B. says:

      Real solid team, but almost surely not to happen due to budgetary constraints.

      Most likely, it’ll be this team minus Damon (with Hoffmann as the last man), or this team minus Matsui and Sheets (again, with Hoffmann as the last position player and Mitre as the last pitcher).

  21. Evil Empire says:

    Mark Melancon = RHP

  22. Nick Whitt says:

    I feel like signing Ben Sheets is the best option. The yankees won’t loss the 1st round draft pick and they get a good pitcher. The yankees can do a contract like cleveland did with Pavano and the better he pitches the more money he gets.

  23. Jack says:

    I am a Yankees fan living in Wisconsin, so I have been able to see Sheets pitch a bunch over the last few years. He has filthy stuff- it’s like Burnett but with control when he is at his best. Doesn’t walk many, filthy changeup and makes hitters look silly with the curve. A lot of fun to watch, and he can definitely succeed in the AL if he is healthy. Definitely an injury risk, as it always seems to be something or another, whether it is arm-related or not. Would be cool to see him as a Yankee…we’ll see.

  24. The Yankees definitely need to get another starting pitcher just to be on the safe side. We don’t know what Joba and Hughes are gonna give you in the starting rotation.

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