Comments on: Yanks order of operations starts with Pettitte http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 16:14:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: pon http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-705689 pon Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:29:51 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-705689 To All: Tell me why Girardi cannot be as wise as the posters on this page? To All:
Tell me why Girardi cannot be as wise as the posters on this page?

]]> By: dch http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-705080 dch Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:15:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-705080 Touching on what somebody else said-Damon DHs-Posada catches Cabrera in LF. Posada-DHs-Damon LF-Cervelli-Catches. The drop off is from Cabrera-Cervelli (for now). And the defense is better. Touching on what somebody else said-Damon DHs-Posada catches Cabrera in LF. Posada-DHs-Damon LF-Cervelli-Catches. The drop off is from Cabrera-Cervelli (for now). And the defense is better.

]]> By: bkight13 http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-705055 bkight13 Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:37:59 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-705055 They probably banked an extra $50m by winning the Series. Now is not the time to have a budget. They already have about $40m coming off the books if they lose Damon, Matsui, Pettitte, Wang, Nady and Molina. If they bring back Pettitte $8M and sign Damon or Matsui $8m they have plenty of money to fill LF/DH and the bench. They probably banked an extra $50m by winning the Series. Now is not the time to have a budget. They already have about $40m coming off the books if they lose Damon, Matsui, Pettitte, Wang, Nady and Molina. If they bring back Pettitte $8M and sign Damon or Matsui $8m they have plenty of money to fill LF/DH and the bench.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-705000 Benjamin Kabak Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:34:44 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-705000 There's absolutely no reason for Cashman to trim payroll unless he has to. As long as the Yanks can afford to spend the money to win, why wouldn't they? That argument — that he wants to and doesn't have to — just doesn't fly. There’s absolutely no reason for Cashman to trim payroll unless he has to. As long as the Yanks can afford to spend the money to win, why wouldn’t they? That argument — that he wants to and doesn’t have to — just doesn’t fly.

]]> By: OldYanksFan http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-704998 OldYanksFan Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:33:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-704998 One has to remember that even if healthy, Posada will only start 100 games at C. That leaves him 50 games at DH. Without a 2nd surgery, it can't hurt to give ARod a dozen or so games at DH. Throw in a few for Jeter and the DH slot is almost 1/2 used. Whether we have a DH or not, we will see our BUC and UINF start some games. The same will be even more true in 2011, when ARod, Jeets and Po are a year older. This is the nature of keeping players for their whole career. Miranda will be 27. His position is DH. He's free. Why not give him a shot at a few ABs? I believe Cashman does want to trim payroll. NOT because he has to, but because he wants to. If so, DH is the position to compromise on. There is no problem going into April 'lean and mean', and touching up at the ASB IF necessary. I'm sure there will be plenty of cheap bats to be had in July. One has to remember that even if healthy, Posada will only start 100 games at C. That leaves him 50 games at DH. Without a 2nd surgery, it can’t hurt to give ARod a dozen or so games at DH. Throw in a few for Jeter and the DH slot is almost 1/2 used.

Whether we have a DH or not, we will see our BUC and UINF start some games. The same will be even more true in 2011, when ARod, Jeets and Po are a year older. This is the nature of keeping players for their whole career.

Miranda will be 27. His position is DH. He’s free. Why not give him a shot at a few ABs?

I believe Cashman does want to trim payroll. NOT because he has to, but because he wants to. If so, DH is the position to compromise on. There is no problem going into April ‘lean and mean’, and touching up at the ASB IF necessary. I’m sure there will be plenty of cheap bats to be had in July.

]]> By: Brian Cashman is Watching http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-704932 Brian Cashman is Watching Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:32:43 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-704932 Your point is valid. I just have a feeling this is more what Girardi means when he says "rotating DH". At least that is more in line with his recent statements, rather than giving Ramiro Pena and assorted scrubs make up the bottom of his lineup every day. Point on Matsui is well taken as well, but all year long we heard multiple stories about Matsui's knees and other assorted aches and pains, such as Rodriguez. They are also a year older. If they can't find another outfielder, then a full time DH makes more sense. But I think Girardi prefers a DH that can play the field. Your point is valid. I just have a feeling this is more what Girardi means when he says “rotating DH”. At least that is more in line with his recent statements, rather than giving Ramiro Pena and assorted scrubs make up the bottom of his lineup every day.

Point on Matsui is well taken as well, but all year long we heard multiple stories about Matsui’s knees and other assorted aches and pains, such as Rodriguez. They are also a year older. If they can’t find another outfielder, then a full time DH makes more sense. But I think Girardi prefers a DH that can play the field.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-704907 Benjamin Kabak Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:20:53 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-704907 What you have presented here, though, isn't the rotating DH situation. Rather, it's the situation where the Yanks sign Cameron to play center and retain Damon to serve as the DH/4th outfielder. That's not what the Yanks mean when they talk about rotating DH. <em>But having a set DH, like a David Ortiz, hurts the teams ability to keep its older players in top form.</em> Hideki Matsui and the 2009 Yankees beg to differ. What you have presented here, though, isn’t the rotating DH situation. Rather, it’s the situation where the Yanks sign Cameron to play center and retain Damon to serve as the DH/4th outfielder. That’s not what the Yanks mean when they talk about rotating DH.

But having a set DH, like a David Ortiz, hurts the teams ability to keep its older players in top form.

Hideki Matsui and the 2009 Yankees beg to differ.

]]> By: Brian Cashman is Watching http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-704904 Brian Cashman is Watching Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:18:23 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-704904 Again, why do we jump to the conclusion that the rotating DH automatically means utility player starts often? They just want a DH that can play the field, such as Damon. Matsui, Johnson, Dunn, all are nice choices if plan A doesn't work. But wouldn't you rather have Damon as the DH and let him play 80 games in the field, with Cameron, Posada, and Swisher spending some time at DH? Think about the potential lineups: Jeter SS Damon DH Teixeira 1B Rodriguez 3B Posada C Cano 2B Swisher RF Cameron CF Cabrera LF This is your strongest defensive lineup, and still a very good lineup. Damon+Cabrera will not be "too" expensive and will likely come with shorter term contracts if the Yankees were to resign them. Now, say Posada needs a day off: Jeter SS Damon LF Teixeira 1B Rodriguez 3B Posada DH Cano 2B Swisher RF Cameron CF Cervelli C Your offensive drop off is Cabrera to Cervelli. Not that large. You can also shift Cabrera around to center with Cameron DHing, or right for Swisher. All outfielders and your catcher get plenty of rest. Every one worries about Rodriguez, Jeter, Teixeira getting days off. But under this configuration, the Yankees can do that and not take the offensive hit because Cabrera would sit with Damon in the field. Besides, I none of those three is going to play 162 games this year, and this configuration gives the most flexibility. Now, admittedly, this depends on Cameron/Damon, but there may be other outfielders out there that might work just as well. But having a set DH, like a David Ortiz, hurts the teams ability to keep its older players in top form. Let's not just assume this means Ramiro Pena will start 50 games a year. Again, why do we jump to the conclusion that the rotating DH automatically means utility player starts often? They just want a DH that can play the field, such as Damon. Matsui, Johnson, Dunn, all are nice choices if plan A doesn’t work. But wouldn’t you rather have Damon as the DH and let him play 80 games in the field, with Cameron, Posada, and Swisher spending some time at DH? Think about the potential lineups:

Jeter SS
Damon DH
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cameron CF
Cabrera LF

This is your strongest defensive lineup, and still a very good lineup. Damon+Cabrera will not be “too” expensive and will likely come with shorter term contracts if the Yankees were to resign them.

Now, say Posada needs a day off:

Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cameron CF
Cervelli C

Your offensive drop off is Cabrera to Cervelli. Not that large. You can also shift Cabrera around to center with Cameron DHing, or right for Swisher. All outfielders and your catcher get plenty of rest. Every one worries about Rodriguez, Jeter, Teixeira getting days off. But under this configuration, the Yankees can do that and not take the offensive hit because Cabrera would sit with Damon in the field. Besides, I none of those three is going to play 162 games this year, and this configuration gives the most flexibility.

Now, admittedly, this depends on Cameron/Damon, but there may be other outfielders out there that might work just as well. But having a set DH, like a David Ortiz, hurts the teams ability to keep its older players in top form. Let’s not just assume this means Ramiro Pena will start 50 games a year.

]]> By: Brian Cashman is Watching http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-704879 Brian Cashman is Watching Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:08:08 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-704879 Exactly. If the catcher is a good hitter, then he will want to start, or at least be paid like a starter. Cervelli is fine if you accept him for what he is: a good defensive back up catcher. And the Yankees will let Posada catch around 120 games this year. They are not going to drop back to 80 games unless Posada gets hurt, in which case we might be seeing Montero sooner than expected. . . Exactly. If the catcher is a good hitter, then he will want to start, or at least be paid like a starter. Cervelli is fine if you accept him for what he is: a good defensive back up catcher.

And the Yankees will let Posada catch around 120 games this year. They are not going to drop back to 80 games unless Posada gets hurt, in which case we might be seeing Montero sooner than expected. . .

]]> By: Brian Cashman is Watching http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-order-of-operations-starts-with-pettitte-20802/#comment-704873 Brian Cashman is Watching Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:04:53 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=20802#comment-704873 If the back up catcher was a good hitter, he would be starting. Besides, back up catcher is the least of any teams worries. If the back up catcher was a good hitter, he would be starting. Besides, back up catcher is the least of any teams worries.

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