Yanks select Jamie Hoffmann in Rule 5 Draft

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Via Joel Sherman, the Yankees will take Dodgers’ outfielder Jamie Hoffmann first overall in the Rule 5 Draft. Hoffmann, 25, hit .291-.390-.466 with 23 doubles, 10 homers, and 15 steals between Double- and Triple-A last year. He also had an uneventful 24 plate appearance cameo with the Dodgers.

The righthanded batter was ranked the Dodgers 22nd best prospect by Baseball America prior to the 2009 season, and their handbook says he can capably play all three outfield spots. Against lefty pitchers last year, Hoffmann was a .308-.432-.542 hitter. I approve.

Update by Joe: Diamondbacks took Kroenke.

Update by Joe again: Mariners take Texeira.

Update by Joe again: Yanks pass with their own pick.

Update by Joe again: Everyone passed in round 2. That’s it, folks. Minor leaguers next.

AAA portion: Yanks pass in the first round. No team took a player from their affiliates.

AA portion: Yanks pass. Everyone passes in the second round and no Yanks are taken.

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  • Stryker

    better than the reported “fact” that they were going to have the natinals select kroenke.

  • scott

    do we expect him to actually stick with the club? if so wont they have to move melk or cabrerra, or def not resign damon?

    • Stryker

      well, last time i checked melk and ‘cabrerra’ are the same guy hahaha. just messing with you though – it’s early.

      and they can stash gardner away in AAA and keep whoever they select (baseball america is reporting they’ll take raynor now) on the 25 man. it’d be nice to take a huge upside arm and while there’s a way to do it, it’d make more sense to take a guy (an outfielder, hopefully) that’s fairly MLB ready or needs a bit more seasoning. that way while he’d be no austin jackson upside-wise, there’d at least be a guy that could fill in at the upper levels of the system.

  • Moshe Mandel

    This tells me that either Melky will be playing everyday or there is a trade coming. No way they go with Melky, Gardner, and Hoffman all on the bench.

    • Rose

      Very good point. Put him as the 25th man? Or they can send Gardner down to Triple-A, no? Sign Matsui and pencil this Hoffman guy as the 4th OF? I’m sure there are still a few possibilities…but I don’t think signing a legitimate LF now is one of them (w/o trading Melky perhaps…OR SWISHER as the tabloids love to throw out there).

    • Steve H

      Has anything further come of the Royals interest in Gardner? All that was reported was that the Royals asked about him, never got the Yankees response (though I’m sure he’s available).

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I agree.

      I think it’s the former. Melky’s a starter, Gardner and Hoffman are the lefty-righty bench tandem.

      • Rose

        So, Matsui back at DH on the cheap?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Either him, or someone similar (Delgado, Thome, etc.

          Cashmeezy: GET ME HIDEKI MATSUI AT ONCE!!!
          Jean Afterman: He’s not available, sir.
          Cashmeezy: THEN GET ME HIS NON-UNION MEXICAN EQUIVALENT!!!

      • MattG

        Wait, so you don’t think Cameron’s coming? This addition of a right-handed hitting OF puts a serious kink in my plans…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Reading the tea-leaves. Just a hunch.

      • Russell NY

        Superbly disagree with this. Melky is not a good enough hitter for the corner OF spots, and the Yankees aren’t gonna have two guys on the bench:

        #1 a guy with no pop
        #2 an unproven MLB player

        Not gonna happen. Maybe Hoffman provides insurance if they ship Melky to the Cubs or something.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Not saying I like it. Just saying what I think happens.

        • MikeD

          I think the odds are good Melky will not be on the Yankees for 2010. He’s getting more costly and my guess is Girardi would rather keep Gardner because of his speed off the bench. Perhaps Hoffman is the replacement for Melky.

        • sciorsci

          Is Melky a good enough hitter for CF? Is Granderson a good enough hitter for LF? If the answer to both those questions is yes, then it’s fine. You’re just rearranging the defensive alignment to strengthen the team by putting Granderson in CF and Melky in LF.

  • Rose

    The righthanded batter was ranked the Dodgers 22nd best prospect by Baseball America prior to the 2009 season.

    22nd best? Isn’t that pretty bad? I mean I know for the Yankees it’s not that great…but I’d assume the Dodgers 22nd isn’t exactly the Rays 22nd best.

    • http://riveraveblues.com/2009/11/open-thread-you-have-the-red-sox-19930/ the artist formerly known as (sic)

      This is the Rule V draft.

      • Rose

        Yeah but there were quite a few decent arms floating around, no? We are kind of looking for cheap bullpen help.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          What he’s saying is, getting someone who was the 22nd best prospect in someone’s system in the Rule V draft is actually pretty good.

          Look at our top 22 prospects. How many of them are either
          A) too young to be eligible for the R5 yet, or
          B) already protected on the 40 man?

          It’s most of them. Getting the Dodgers, or Rays, or anyone’s 22 best prospect is a R5 coup, all things considered.

      • Steve H

        So we can’t get Strasburg?

  • Steve H

    If he can really play all 3 OF positions and hit lefties, sounds like a good 4/5 OF, especially with Granderson in tow.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      He could fill my “Mike Cameron” request quite nicely… provided that he can actually do it against big league pitching, which remains to be seen.

      • Steve H

        I still want Cameron. If there is truly interest in Melky from the Cubs or Gardner from they Royals and we can get some decent value for one of them, bring in Cammy.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I’m not holding my breath on either of those “Melky to the Cubs” or “Gardner to the Royals” quasi-rumors ever materializing into anything.

          • Rose

            Would you say that Brett Gardner is better than Joey Gathright? Or that they’re basically the same…

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              They’re basically the same, but Gardner’s white, so that instantly makes him ten times better.

              • Rose

                Why did the black guy cross the road?

                Because he was black.

              • Chris

                It’s hard to believe, but I think Gardner has more power than Gathright.

            • MikeD

              Gardner is better at this point.

      • Bo

        When Cameron signs with the Cubs will u be in mourning?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Robert Grant, don’t you have a “prospects suck” post to go write????

          /Lanny’d

          • Steve H

            Robert Grant, don’t you have a
            Yankees

            “prospects suck” post to go write????

            /Lanny’d

        • DP

          When Holliday signs with the Red Sox, and Halladay gets traded to LA, will you?

  • Mac

    Its insurance for not signing a DH that can play the field. Now we can all sleep a little better if they go after a primary DH such as DEEELLLGAAADOOOOOO.

    He will hit 40 HR’s in the Stadium behind Alex.

    • MatyRuggz

      In a related story, Ramiro Pena is the frontrunner for the 2010 batting title!

      /unrealistic expectation’d

      • Mac

        Delgado hit 38 home runs in 2008 in Shea.

        What makes you think he can’t hit 40 as a lefty in the Stadium? That has a astronomical amount higher of a chance of happening then Pena winning a batting title.

        • sciorsci

          Wouldn’t he have to play a lot of games for that to happen? That alone seems like a good reason to be at least a little bit doubtful.

    • Steve H

      +1. I am officially onboard the Delgado bandwagon.

    • SamVa

      bring back bonds… he could hit some homers in the stadium..

      (sarcasm)

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Yeah, as TSJC said, I’d rather have Bonds than Dye/Vlad. Seriously.

    • CapitalT

      I’m not a big Delgado fan, especially as long as they play the National Anthem before every game

      • Mac

        No but I think having a lefty with pop behind Alex is more important then going out and signing Damon.

        Matsui or Delgado. Take your pick.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        The more people bring this up, the more it makes me want to add Delgado, just to make Yankee fans uncomfortable and angry, then self-conflicted when Delgado, who they want to hate for his personal political beliefs, hits the ball well and helps the Yankees win a ring.

        I love political tension and moments of forced self-reflection.

        • Steve H

          +28

        • Amy

          Am I missing something with Delgado? I know he doesn’t stand during the National Anthem, but isn’t that a passive protest because he’s anti-war? … I dunno, I think that’s legit.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Here’s what you’re missing:

            Everyone who doesn’t sleep with (and possibly have sex with) an American Flag every single night is a Commu-Nazi terrorist, and since Delgado is making millions of dollars in America, that uppity darkie should just shut his ungrateful mouth.

            Sincerely,
            Glenn Beck and his legions of minions

            • Amy

              Ah, thank you. I assumed it was something to that effect.

              Also: IETCVM.

          • Mac

            Yes, he is a peace activist. Stated that 9/11 was a tragedy, but so was going to war. This was before he was with the Mets I believe. Because he would stand for the NA and GBA when he was a Met.

            No problem with me if he wants to be Ghandi.

            Now if he had the views of John Rocker I may have more of an issue. Even though he was one of the funniest characters in MLB. Queue this wonderful video up: http://www.blitzcorner.com/MLB.....ell-on-SNL

            • Januz

              I disagree 100% with everything he stands for. If Delgado is a “Peace Activist” then I am dating Shakira. He is a multi-millionaire, who should be thanking GOD for the millions he is making, instead of trashing the country that gave him the opportunity to make an income that would put him in the top 2% of wage earners in America.
              There are many people who share his politics, but at least they are devoting their lives to that cause. Charles Barron comes to mind. He is a leader who is devoted to improving the lives of minorities in America, and is unafraid to say what he thinks (I am on the opposite side of Barron, because I think his approach is wrong. But I still respect him, for trying to make a difference). Guys like Delgado, and Hollywood celebrities are the type that make me sick because they hate this country, and its people, but not its money. There is a song titled “The Fighting Side Of Me” By Merle Haggard that sums up my feelings very well.
              I would be one very unhappy guy if he ever played for the Yankees.

              • andrew

                ugh.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                He is a multi-millionaire, who should be thanking GOD for the millions he is making, instead of trashing the country that gave him the opportunity to make an income that would put him in the top 2% of wage earners in America.

                http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-712330

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Guys like Delgado, and Hollywood celebrities are the type that make me sick because they hate this country, and its people, but not its money. There is a song titled “The Fighting Side Of Me” By Merle Haggard that sums up my feelings very well.

                The joke practically writes itself.

                • Tubby

                  Especially since Merle Haggard is now an outspoken peace activist who also makes millions.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  In October 2005, Haggard released his album, “Chicago Wind”, to mostly positive reviews. The album contained an anti-Iraq war song titled “America First,” in which he laments the nation’s economy and faltering infrastructure, applauds its soldiers, and sings, “Let’s get out of Iraq, and get back on track.”

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merle_Haggard

              • DCBX

                1) I still like the idea of signing Thome.

                2) You’re trolling, right? God doesn’t exist, there is only Mo.

              • sciorsci

                You realize that what this country is about, first and foremost, is freedom. Freedom means not only defending the actions and opinions of those you agree with, but the rights of those with whom you don’t. He’s not causing any harm; he’s taken a very passive approach to his protestations. Personally, I’ve always been uncomfortable with the mandatory nature of some of our nation’s traditions, such as the anthem, the pledge, etc. It doesn’t mean I don’t participate in them, because I do believe in what they represent, but only that I’m uncomfortable with the concept of requiring participation in them to prove one’s American-ness.

        • Rose

          Do you think Delgado is a better sign than Matsui though?

          • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I think you lean towards Matsui and I do too, but it’s very close. Delgado’s coming off surgery, coming out of the NL East, and is 2 years older than Matsui, and Matsui has rubber bands and papier mache holding his knees together, is 2 years younger, and is coming off a successful Yankees career. Delgago probably has the higher upside, but not by much. I think I fall in the Matsui camp, when comparing those two players.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Who gives a shit?

        Question: Can he hit home runs?
        Answer: Yes. Therefore, I don’t give a shit if he doesn’t stand during the NA or GBA.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Queenan: Qui bono? Who benefits?
          Sullivan: Qui who gives a shit? It’s got a friggin’ bow on it.

          • Rose

            Brian: Hola, me llamo es Brian … Nosotros queremos ir con ustedes.. uhhhh …
            Bellboy (Spanish): Hey, that was pretty good, except when you said “me llamo es Brian,” you don’t need the “es,” just me llamo Brian.
            Brian: Oh, oh you speak English!
            Bellboy (sigh): No, just that first speech and this one explaining it.
            Brian: You …. you’re kidding me, right?
            Bellboy (Spanish): Que?

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            What’s the matter, smartass, you don’t know any fuckin’ Shakespeare?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Costello: You do well in school?
              Young Sullivan: Yeah.
              Costello: Good. So did I. They call that a paradox.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                Sullivan: Those firefighters are a bunch of homos.

                /IronHorse’d

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  (golf clap)

              • Rose

                MICROPROSSESSAHS…

  • YankeeGaGa

    Bye bye Leche?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      No, I doubt it.

      Connecting the dots here:

      Taking Hoffman, a decent righty 4th OF-type, added onto Cashman’s statements that we’re not increasing payroll and “There’s more cheap DH’s available than you can shake a stick at” comments means:

      1.) Our 5 man OF will be Swisher, Granderson, Melky, Gardner, and Hoffman. All good defenders, all of them (outside of Swisher) able to play CF, all cost effective.
      2.) We’re not signing Damon, or Cameron, or Nick Johnson, but we will add someone from the Matsui/Delgado/Thome/Dye/Bonds/Cust grab bag to be a solid offensive producer from the DH spot to offset some of the slightly diminished offense we’ll probably get playing someone from the Melky/Gardner/Hoffman amalgam every day.

      • Steve H

        Bonds semi-officially retired today. (not that it was an option other than on this site)

        /sheds a tear

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Bonds: I’m semi-officially retired.
          Cashmeezy: Here’s 4 semi-official million dollars. Let’s win a ring together.
          Bonds: I’m semi-officially unretired.

          … aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!

          • andrew

            well played, sir

      • nolan

        if thats true and we dont sign another outfielder (and sign Matsui/Delgado/Thome) does that mean we have money to go after Sheets or Lackey? I think we would still have about 10 million to play with and still stay under our “budget”

        • SamVa

          sheets maybe with an incentive laden contract..
          how are you thinking we could get Lackey for 10 mil a year?

          • nolan

            ha…no…I wasnt thinking we could get Lackey on a 10 million dollar contract. But if we can go 10 we can also probably go 15. I would actually prefer Sheets to Lackey at this point.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              I would actually prefer Sheets to Lackey at this point.

              You should prefer Sheets to Lackey at EVERY point.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          does that mean we have money to go after Sheets or Lackey?

          Sheets, maybe yes. Lackey, most definitely not.

          Which is a good thing.

          (I still doubt Sheets comes here, though.)

  • Doug

    Possible that we have a Miranda/Hoffman platoon at DH?

    Would be consistent, $-wise, with the speculation that we are still in on Holliday.

    • AndrewYF

      What’s the use of having an above-average defensive outfielder at DH?

      • Bo

        You really think they will go from Matsuis production to a combo between 4A players?

        • DP

          You really think the commenters of this site have gone from reasonable to a combo between Lanny and Bo?

          • ColoYank

            I don’t think anybody expects Hoffmann to be coming to the plate as a DH very often. If he stays on the roster.

            • DP

              I agree…but it’s a little silly to label two guys who have combined for less than 50 AB’s as “4A” players

              • ColoYank

                I agree with that. Miranda is still a mystery wrapped in an enigma. What are his real abilities vs. left-handed pitching?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                I agree…but it’s a little silly to label two guys who have combined for less than 50 AB’s as “4A” players

                Try telling that to Bo.

                Good luck.

  • MatyRuggz

    He sounds like a possible platoon partner with Granderson if things work out. Granted, he hasn’t proved anything against big league pitching, but with his little bit of power, little bit of speed, and little bit of defense, he should make for a solid utility outfielder.

    • Dan

      Bingo! He can “spell” Grandy against tough lefties. He seems like a very cheap caddy option to me. He will be good for about 200 at bats.

    • OldYanksFan

      FWIW, Hoffman’s scouting report lists his speed at 80 of 100. For reference, Curtis Granderson was scouted as 84 of 100. His MiLB career OBP is 70 pts higher then his BA, so he has some plate dicipline. He seems to be a ‘balanced’ ballplayer, but not much pop. Kind of an ‘Ellsbury Light’ guy.

  • pollo

    Great pick.

    Diamondbacks took Kroenke.

  • pollo

    Fucking Mariners dipping into our system again!

    Stay Away!

  • Bo

    Looks like Gardner will be adding OF depth to the org in Scranton next yr since he has options.

    • Chris

      I believe Melky has one left as well.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        Melky is out of options.

      • JGS

        don’t think so. He has played four full seasons

  • Mac

    The Yanks aren’t going to keep him on the team just to keep him. They would have probably DFA’d Bruney anyway.

    So if this kid can’t show any sign of life in spring training they will just put him on a flight back to LA.

    So I wouldn’t get ahead of ourselves here.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    The fact that there’s no chat liveblogging of this R5 draft saddens me.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Internet is not working there, says Joe.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Fucking backwater dipshit town.

      • ColoYank

        They held the Winter Meetings in Lower Slobbovia? Geez. I know the economy’s slowed down and MLB wants to appear responsive, but that’s a bit much.

      • Mike Pop

        Internet is not working there, says Joe

        Fire a warning shot at it.

    • ColoYank

      You’re just a very social creature, eh, TSJC? I miss the chats, too. But sometimes, isn’t it like speaking under water, as often as our comments actually get into the chat room?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Here’s a tip: If you want your comments in the chats to show up, give Mike/Ben/Joe sexual favors.

        It worked for me.

        • ColoYank

          Good to know. For me, though, it’ll have to be phone sex.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAaTrIIjA9Y (safe)

            (I believe this also happened to reporters given a number for a Hillary Clinton conference call by one of her aides last week as well…)

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          So you’re the River Ave. Hooker!

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            After our Native American conversation yesterday, I’m seriously contemplating opening up an all-Indian-girls strip club and naming it “Crazy Whores”.

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              Haha. I missed that conversation.

            • whozat

              O_O

              Having been to the Crazy Horse here in SF, I do not want to know what will go on in your den of iniquity.

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  • John NY

    So Kroenke and Tex are the only ones taken. I can see both sticking but we have Dunn, De La Rosa and Duff with more pieces coming up. You have to be happy with this situation.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I don’t know about Texeira sticking. He’s never pitched above AA so I think the jump to MLB might be a tad much.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        That.

        I’m not shedding a tear over the loss of either Kroenke or Mini-Tex until the end of the season. They have to make it 6 months without being returned before I feel sad.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Yessir.

      • Steve H

        Tex getting drafted further reinforces that the Swisher trade was a total beatdown, Cash-style.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Yessir Part Two.

  • themgmt

    Melky’s gone in my opinion. Hoffman is a solid choice but I think Raynor offered more speed and previously better SLG, down year must have been a red flag

    • ColoYank

      It just seems like a stretch to me, because you’re talking right now (absent another move) about a Gardner/Hoffmann platoon in LF. Not gonna happen, IMO.

      • themgmt

        Not much of a stretch. For all the talk about Melky having age on his side.. Hoffman is actually 8 days younger, faster, better defender, more power, and will make 2M less. He’s also 6’3. 6’3 > 5’11.

        • themgmt

          I could add that they could always option Gardner to AAA and pay the extra 2M to Melky rather than trade him.

          I think they burned Melky’s last option in 2008, no?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          You’re kidding with the height thing, right? Yeah. I know you are. No one could be so foolish as to think that a career minor leaguer is better than a guy with four years of major league experience because of his height.

          • themgmt

            Yes, it was a joke.

            Sarcasm

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

              My bad. My sarcasm detector is broken after a few days in Indy.

              • ColoYank

                HAH! I’ll just bet.

        • andrew

          Hoffman may be 8 days younger, but Melky reached the majors 4 years ago. That counts for something.

  • jsbrendog

    not KANEKOA TEXEIRA!!!!!!!!!!!

    • scott

      i think we all have to remember this is the guy we basically got for brian bruney. i wouldnt expect anybody we got for brian bruney to make the 25 man roster or even the 40 man roster

      • jsbrendog

        this makes no sense. texeira was part of the swisher deal and was selected in the rule V draft by the mariners. what does that have to do with bruney?

        • Bo

          hes talking about the player the yankees selected.

  • Doug

    .235/.316/.309 in 68 ABs in AFL; .184/.245/.265 vs. righties

    between his minor league #s last year and this small sample in the AFL, seems to REALLY struggle vs. righties

    • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

      ??
      281/359/401 Last year b/w AA and AAA vs. Righties.

      Is it me or is that not REALLY struggling?

      • themgmt

        It’s not you.

    • A.D.

      He was in the Dominican Winter League, not AFL. And beware of 50 at-bat sample size.

  • MattG

    Does Hoffman qualify as my call for a Murton equivalent?

    I think so, yes indeed.

    Alright, let’s have them ‘role’ one more year with Melky (CWIDT?), add Delgado or Cust (I think I like the idea of Cust more, but all those numbers are trending down), nab Chapman and call it an off-season.

    Can we get the memo out to Cashman today, guys?

  • Rose

    Hey! Remember when I asked about acquiring Boof Bonser yesterday? The Red Sox just acquired him lol.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      OH SHIT THEY GOT BONSER IT’S ALL OVER NOW THERE GOES THE AL EAST TITLE

    • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

      He I saw that..

      We should just throw in the towel and re-tool for 2011.

      • Mac

        F that. Sign Lackey, Trade for Halladay, Sign Damon and Matsui, Trade CC.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Maybe we should just have a fire sale, lay low for about 5 years, then try and get back into it after the Sox run of dominance is over.

        • Rose

          I think that’s a good idea.

    • Rose

      I agree. It’s like REM used to say. It’s the end of the world as we know it…except I don’t feel fine :(

      /Oh no’d

    • MattG

      More hurtful is Rafael Soriano to the Rays.

      Damn, the AL East is the friggin ivy league to the rest of baseball’s community college.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Damn, the AL East is the friggin ivy league to the rest of baseball’s community college.

        Yankees: Yale
        Red Sox: Harvard
        Rays: Princeton
        Blue Jays: Dartmouth
        Orioles: Brown

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          Sideshow Bob: “Oh, come now! You wanted to be Krusty’s sidekick since you were five! What about the buffoon lessons? The four years at Clown College?”

          Cecil: “I’ll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.”

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            The three Ivies that the students at the other ivies respect the least:

            Brown
            UPenn
            Columbia (it’s true)

            • Rose

              Ivies are overrated.

              /Yeah, I said it.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Education-wise? Absolutely.

                Connection-wise? Absolutely not.

            • andrew

              I gotta disagree there Tommie. Cornell’s gotta be in that top 3.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Meh, perhaps. I think Columbia is respected slightly less than Cornell, but it’s close.

                • whozat

                  If you’re not from NY, Cornell gets more respect. Most out-of-staters don’t know about the Hotelies.

        • Rose

          Afterall, Stansbury is the Harvard of the West…

  • JohnC

    Guess that pretty much wraps up the Winter Meetings then. Next signing could be Chapman, after they watch him throw next week in Houston.

  • Chris

    The guy I think the Yanks should be considering is Vlad. I have no idea why his name hasn’t been mentioned at all for our DH spot. I love Matsui, but having Vlad behind Arod would be sick. Plus Vlad can still play RF if needs be. He wasn’t offered arbitration. So it doesn’t cost us anything. We basically had Vlad in 04, but we signed Shef instead. So we know he had atleast some interest in playing for the Yanks at one point. Thoughts?

    • Rose

      We basically had Vlad in 04, but we signed Shef instead.

      That was in 2004…over 5 years ago. Both Vlad Guerrero and Gary Sheffield are not even close to what they were then.

      Matsui >>>>>>>>> Vlad

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      The guy I think the Yanks should be considering is Vlad. I have no idea why his name hasn’t been mentioned at all for our DH spot. I love Matsui, but having Vlad behind Arod would be sick. Plus Vlad can still play RF if needs be. He wasn’t offered arbitration. So it doesn’t cost us anything. We basically had Vlad in 04, but we signed Shef instead. So we know he had atleast some interest in playing for the Yanks at one point. Thoughts?

      I was gonna break this down, line by line, but…

      Vlad, 2009: .295/.334/.460 (106+)
      Matsui, 2009: .274/.367/.509 (131+)

      Let’s just leave it at that.

      Vlad the Impaler is dead.

    • Raf

      because Vlad can barely run anymore and his power is almost all but gone. not the same player he was a couple of years ago at all. Delgado/Thome would be a better option.

      • Bo

        They’ll have their pick of power bats when the time comes. Vlad will be on that list.

  • Chris

    So, Jamie Hoffman was on the Dodgers 25 man roster this season. That means that he was DFA’d at some point and exposed to waivers, right? If the Yankees wanted him, why didn’t they just grab him at that time?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Because we didn’t have room for him on OUR 25 man at that point.

    • BklynJT

      He didn’t necessarily have to be on the 25 man, he could of been a september call up. (Unless of course you were saying that he was on the 25 man, and not just assuming so because he had plate some plate appearances. I am too lazy to check either way and rather just let someone correct me.)

      • Chris

        He played in May/June. I can’t find when he was DFA’d, but the fact that he did not play in September suggests that he was probably DFA’d before then.

    • Tubby

      Why DFA’d? Wouldn’t he have just been optioned back to AAA?

      • Chris

        If he’s optioned back to AAA, then he stays on the 40-man roster. To be eligible for the Rule 5 draft, he has to be off the 40-man.

        • Mike bk

          and he could have been dfa’d after the year for the Rule V like we DFA’d shelley after the year.

    • andrew

      Wait, why does that mean he was DFA’ed and exposed to waivers? If he had options left, couldn’t they just have sent him back down to the minors?

      • sciorsci

        Because if he wasn’t DFA’d at some point, he’d still be on the 40-man roster (players with options can move freely on and off the 25-man roster, but the 40-man roster is static), and if he was still on the 40-man, he wouldn’t be eligible for the Rule 5 draft. By definition, since he was drafted in the Rule 5 draft, he must have been taken off the 40-man at some point, which means he was DFA’d/waived at some point last season.

  • mike

    Hello Johnny Damon, Hello Jermaine Dye as the mostly full-time DH, goodbye Godzilla……

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Boo all of this.

  • Chris

    I realize Vlad is coming off an injury plagued year, but the fact is he’s a year younger than matsui. Matsui was coming off an injury year last year and look what he did. If Vlad was our primary DH I think he could put up monsterous #’s for us.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I realize Vlad is coming off an injury plagued year, but the fact is he’s a year younger than matsui.

      Farrah Fawcett is a year younger than Victoria Principal. Would you rather go on a date with Farrah Fawcett or Victoria Principal right now?

    • andrew

      Right… but if both of them are old, and both of them are aging/on the decline, then we can assume they will both get slightly worse next year or maintain their abilities, but probably not improve. Vlad will probably not beat his numbers from last year.

      • mike

        i think Dye @ 450 AB’s and not playing the outfield will offer the Yanks flexability at the DH, a RH bat in the lineup, and someone who could play the outfield if needed for a few games – not well, but better than Matsui

        • Bo

          Dye wouldnt be a bad choice to be a right hand power bat and OF.

    • sciorsci

      Vlad’s a year younger as far as we know. That doesn’t mean he’s actually a year younger.

  • A.D.

    and 15 steals between Double- and Triple-A last year

    Yeah, but he was caught 11 times…probably shouldn’t be stealing bases.

  • Chris

    Compare matsui’s 08 and Vlad’s 09

    Vlad, 2009: Avg.295/ OBP .334/ HR’s 15/ AB 383
    Matsui, 2008: Avg .294/ OBP .367/ HR’s 9/ AB 337

    So is it really that impossible for Vlad to have a comeback season??????

    Plus is he’s considered “done” don’t u think we can get a better deal on him than on matsui?

    • Tampa Yankee

      Please use that cool little reply button in the lower part of the comments…

      also…

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-712386

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      So is it really that impossible for Vlad to have a comeback season??????

      Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Matsui’s bad ’08 was related to his balky knees. Vlad’s bad ’09 is related to his suddenly absent bat speed. He can’t get around on fastballs anymore. He’s done.

    • andrew

      There’s a good reason we can get him on a better deal than Matsui. He’s done. Did you see him in the ALCS, flailing all over the place at pitches in the dirt. I know he always swung like that, but it used to be effective, it’s not anymore.

      • Bo

        Done is a strong word.

        Many said Matsui was done too.

        • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          He’s done being the Vlad that Chris expects him to be.

  • Tubby

    Fun Fact: Hoffmann was a 2003 draft pick of the NHL’s Carolina Hurricanes.

  • A.D.

    Hoffmann has shown the classic struggle & adjustment at every level, so hopefully that continues in the bigs.

  • Chris

    What are u talking about? The reason for Vlad’s bad 09 was because he had a bunch of different injuries that lead to his subpar 09. In the playoffs when he was finally back healthy he hit .378 average with three doubles, a homer and seven RBIs in nine games

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      A) Use the reply button.
      B) The Angels are interested in Matsui but far less interested in Vlad. That should tell you something.

      He’s done. Kaput. Stick a fork in him. He’s a year younger than Matsui, but he’s aged WORSE.

      Matsui >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guerrero

      • Chris

        I disagree. A healthy Vlad is still dangerous. Just like a Healthy Matsui was this year. I can garuantee you a lot of the same things that were said about Matsui last year are the same things being said about Vlad now. I’m fine if we signed Matsui or Damon again. I just believe Vlad deserves consideration. Especially over some of the other names like Delgado & Thome that have been thrown out their in these comments. Neither of them can play a position anymore at all and Delgado is coming off a very serious injury.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          A healthy Vlad is still dangerous.

          He is.

          Or, perhaps I should say, he was.

          • Chris

            So now your arguement is he isn’t healthy? Before it was he’s old and his absent bat speed. Pick one bro.

            Obviously we don’t agree that’s fine and I know the chances of signing him are slim.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              His poor health and age and absent bat speed are all basically the same thing. I’m not changing arguments.

            • Bo

              You cant argue baseball with Eric. He’ll just turn the discussion into lame movie quotes.

              Or how Mike Cameron is the answer to all problems.

              • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
            • king of fruitless hypotheticals

              no, he’s old, has slow bat speed AND isnt healthy.

  • Doug

    Wasn’t sure where to put this but this is an active post; from Olney:

    “Heard this: The Yankees are in the process of negotiating with Johnny Damon’s camp.”

    “The Yankees intend to use market forces to pressure Damon to make a decision quickly.”

  • HC

    Does Hoffman mash LHP? I hope so. And if Miranda mashes RHP maybe (but probably not)Cashman plans on going for pitching and rolling with this lineup:

    Against LHP: Hoffman LF, Melky CF, Montero DH
    Against RHP: Dejesus LF, Granderson CF, Miranda or Posada DH

    • HC

      Wait, I forgot something- we can sign Mark DeRosa to DH against LHP and be a super-sub the rest of the time. What would it take to land DeJesus? Would Gardner, Gaudin, and a prospect (Miranda, Romulo, Russo, or Nunez?)

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Something that just struck me:

    I’m going to be sad when IPK and Kroenke combine to no-hit the Padres this summer.

    • Bo

      You mean the Padres Triple A team right?

      Because no one dominates the minor leagues quite like IPK.

      • mustang

        LMAO

        • mustang

          Remember IPK pitched better then Prior, Randy Johnson and Zito in college or they were his college roommates or something.

      • Mike bk

        what’s the difference other than Adrian Gonzo b/w AAA and the pads MLB club?

  • Pettitte’s Stare

    What is the chance that we move Hoffman in another trade? Do we really need a 5th OF on the roster?

  • Pettitte’s Stare

    What is the chance that we move Hoffman in another trade? Do we really need a 5th OF on the roster?

  • JMK THE OVERSHARE’s Milton Bradley Fat Park Factor

    So…were Archimedes, Pino or Rodriguez drafted?

  • http://nyyu.blogspot.com Mike

    WFAN says that the NATIONALS selected Hoffman then sent him to the Yanks as the PTBML in the Bruney deal.

    • sciorsci

      Right. That was the deal the whole time. Teams can’t formally trade draft picks in baseball, even in the Rule 5 draft. But they can agree to select a player on behalf of another team and then trade him as a PTBNL (in the Rule 5 draft; it wouldn’t work that way in the amateur selection draft).

  • Dwnflfan

    I’m not seeing any reason to think Hoffman can make the Yankee roster. In roughly 250 PA’s he put up a .815 OPS in Albuquerque which inflates offense by about 15%

    On the road, (AAA & AA) last year Hoffman had these triple slash #’s
    .251 .347 .380 for an OPS of .727
    That sound like a valuable bench player to you?

    His AAA stats last year translate to a MLE of:
    .217 .282 .339 That make Garbrerra look like Tommy Heinrich.

    His AA #’s translate out to about a .700 OPS MLE but thats for 106 AB’s.

    The guy hammered lefties last year but that was over 120 AB’s and he’d never shown the ability to do that previously.

    Is this really the best they could do?

  • sciorsci

    Thoughts on these potential lineups (with the roster as presently constructed):

    vsR:

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Miranda DH
    Cabrera LF

    vsL

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Posada DH
    Cano 2B
    Granderson CF
    Hoffman LF
    Cervelli C