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By: thurdonpaul

thurdonpaul — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:55:08 +0000

ok, i guess i have to concede, somewhat.
thank you for explaining your point rationally

By: king of fruitless hypotheticals

king of fruitless hypotheticals — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:27:52 +0000

best shot of the year by far

By: king of fruitless hypotheticals

king of fruitless hypotheticals — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:26:31 +0000

Worse than Meat tray flavor.

By: Matt

Matt — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:51:09 +0000

The thing about bullpens is that they are always terribly inconsistent, from year to year and even from game to game. Let’s face it: if these guys were consistent, they would be starting or closing.

The great thing about the Yankee bullpen last year was it’s depth. There always seemed to be someone hot. Aceves was great early in the year, Hughes was terrific in the second half, and Marte and Robertson stepped up in the playoffs.

By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:44:44 +0000

but there are certainly times when just by seeing a pitchers record for the year you know if he was good or not, my example would be Ron Guidry 25-3

Counterargument, of sorts:

In 1992, an American League pitcher (who didn’t win the Cy Young, btw) went a sterling 21-6 as the presumptive ace of an AL East juggernaut. His 21 wins lead the league. Now, that’s not Guidryesque 25-3 dominance, but a 21-6 mark is still quite shiny and should indicate that he was quite good, no?

That pitcher had an ERA on the year of 4.04. That’s a 102 ERA+. WHIP 1.255, K/9 and BB/9, 4.9 and 3.0. Fairly pedestrian. He just happened to pitch more often on days where his team scored him runs.

That pitcher’s name? Jack Morris.

(Oh, and there’s others. According to Play Index, there’s 27 seasons where a pitcher had 20 or more wins and fewer than 10 losses, with an ERA+ lower than 110. Catfish Hunter in ’73, John Burkett in ’93, Andy Pettitte the year before he left for Houston, Rick Sutcliffe in ’84, etc.)

By: Evilest Empire

Evilest Empire — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:34:39 +0000

I’m totally going to serenade my girlfriend with things like the top 100 starter FIPs of 2009 the next time we engage in sweet, sweet lovemaking.

By: Steve H

Steve H — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:30:30 +0000

Agreed, if we’re worried about the last guy in the pen in April and May the Yankees will be in fine shape. Also, what was the pen ERA in April/May last year? I care about where the pen ends up, not where it starts.

By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:29:37 +0000

im pretty new here and im not sure i believe in all these newer stats that you guys talk about, but i have an open mind to them, i am trying to learn them and i believe they have a lot of merit

Well said. Reminds me of one of my favorite comments ever on RAB (and one of Joe’s best uses of his special admin powers ever, as well):

http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-585576

By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:26:34 +0000

He also signed for so little that the Yanks can just cut him if he’s not useful.

Absolutely. Alls I’m sayin is, unless he’s just patheticly atrocious in the spring, and one of Melancon/Logan/Romulo/WDLR is Swisheresque lights-out dominant, no point in cutting him just to go north with the slight upgrade of one of those younger options.

He wins all ties, since he can’t be stashed in the minors and we don’t need to give away assets that still can produce some.