Jan
21

Minor Notes: Montero, Vizcaino

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Got a few minor league nuggets worth passing along this afternoon, so let’s get to it…

  • John Sickels at Minor League Ball posted some excerpts of player write-ups from his book today, and Jesus Montero was one of the lucky few. You might fool him once,” says Sickels, “but don’t try the same trick too soon or he’ll make you pay. I have absolutely no doubts about Montero’s bat.”
  • Meanwhile, the crew at Project Prospect posted their list of the ten best prospects in the game, and Montero checks in at number three. Jason Heyward tops the list, and is followed by Desmond Jennings of the Rays. Montero is one spot ahead of Stephen Strasburg, who I consider to be the very best prospect in the game. Either way, this is elite company we’re talking here.
  • Last, but certainly not least, Kevin Goldstein released his top eleven Braves’ prospects today. Former Yankee farmhand Arodys Vizcaino ranks third behind Heyward and Julio Teheran. Somehow he managed to go from a four star prospect with the Yanks to a five star prospect with the Braves in less than a month. Go figure.
Categories : Minors
  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Well, it is Strasburg’s first season of MiLB. Give him time and he’ll go to numero uno.

    • Steve H

      He’ll probably never be #1, he’ll be in the majors too quickly.

      • chriskeo

        Are you implying out of talent or Washington’s needs? (or both)

        • Steve H

          Both. And by Washington’s needs I would include the need to sell tickets.

  • 28 next year

    come on mike, our prospects are overhyped which is why they subtract a star off every yankee prospect.

    jk, I don’t know why. I think as fans, it is impossible not to overrate your own prospects.

    • Zack

      i dont get why it would even change. wouldnt they just copy-and-paste what they had for him with the yankees?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Because now that he’s not a Yankee, he’s an entirely different player. No way to compare the two.

        /ghostofalexgonzalez’d

        • Steve H

          he’s an entirely different player and it’s a totally different era.

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Somehow he managed to go from a four star prospect with the Yanks to a five star prospect with the Braves in less than a month. Go figure.

    I can’t even imagine how good Jesus would be if he got traded.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Well done.

      • Hughesus Cristo

        “His development behind the plate has eclipsed even his stunning offensive potential.”

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          “All the concerns about his defense were utterly unfounded. He’s a natural behind the dish. He has no flaws whatsoever.”

          • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

            “I’m not going to say he has the defense of the Molinas at their best, the bat of Ruth, and the body of a Greek god but given one more season to develop it could be said by someone else.”

            • Mr.Jigginz

              “I don’t know how to put this but,he’s kind of a big deal…He has many leatherbound books,and his apartment smells of rich mahogany…”

    • chriso

      While I usually find prospect rankings and organizational farm systems’ rankings a specious waste of time, I think there may actually be an argument for why Vizcaino is thought of more highly now, apparently simply as a result of his being in the Braves’ system.
      The Braves have an excellent track record in terms of developing young pitching. The Yankees don’t. You could argue that Arodys Vizcaino stands a better chance of becoming a star pitcher now that he’s with the Braves–and a lot of folks would agree with you.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    You might fool him once,” says Sickels, “but don’t try the same trick too soon or he’ll make you pay.

    Looks like the Red Sox’s plan to have Montero assassinated via crucifixion isn’t going to work. Back to the drawing board, Theo.

    • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

      IETCIMP.

      • AndrewYF

        I enjoyed this comment (so much) I might pee?

        • Accent Shallow

          “I’m so mad I could piss glue.”

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Mike, you agree with Goldstein that Teheran >> Vizcaino?

    I’d say it’s the opposite. Barely.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I like Teheran a bit better, but it’s not a big gap at all. Frankly, I wouldn’t argue either way.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Would you put them both in front of Freeman? Freeman seems more like a five-star to me than both Teheran and Viz.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          I’m not a Freeman fan, but it’s my personal bias.

      • Steve H

        I bet you liked Vizcaino a hell of a lot more than Teheran when he was with your team.

        /Bo’d

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I bet you liked Vizcaino a hell of a lot more than Teheran when he was with your team!!!!!!!

          /Bo’d

          Fixed.

      • pat

        Don’t call me Frankly

  • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

    I’m putting $200 away right now so it’ll be there when the jersey of Jesus is available for purchase.

    • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis (and is with CoCo)

      really? they’re that much now?

      • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

        The official prices range from $160-$185 but when Jesus arrives all bets are off, yo. It’ll make the Tickle Me Elmo craze look like a surplus in comparison.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Just wait for the “Tickle Me, Jesus” dolls.

          In-sane.

          • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

            Dolls?

            Pfft. We’re all waiting for a personal touch from Jesus. The touch that heals.

        • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis (and is with CoCo)

          i chuckled

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona
      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I call dibs on the Alvaro Espinoza #20 1991 Yankees Game Used Road Grey Pants.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          342 Billy Traber #61 2008 Yankees Spring Training Game Used Home Jersey (MLB Auth) 48

          … I’m speechless.

          That thing can’t be more than, say, five bucks. I’ve got half a mind to buy it and send it to Haiti.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            There are so many weird items on that list (bat boy’s pants, Zimmer’s jersey, etc.), but I think this one has to take the cake:

            “198 Dion James 1992 Experimental Home Pants”

            I’m afraid of what that might mean.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

            I can hear the Haitian kids now,

            “Billy Taber? Merci, mais non merci.”

        • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

          Greg Porter #96 2008 Yankees Spring Training Game Used Locker Room Nameplate (MLB Auth)

          I’ll take it.

          • Don W

            Carl Pavano #45 2008 Yankees Spring Training Game Used Home Jersey

            Who are they trying to kid! Pavano never actually played!

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    “You might fool him once,” says Sickels, “but don’t try the same trick too soon or he’ll make you pay.”

    There’s gotta be some sort of inherent jesus-related joke, but I’ll plead my general ignorance of all things NT.

    • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis (and is with CoCo)

      “What’s this bullshit? I don’t fuckin’ care! It don’t matter to Jesus. But you’re not foolin’ me, man. You might fool the fucks in the league office, but you don’t fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man – ha ha! I would have fucked you in the ass Saturday. I fuck you in the ass next Wednesday instead. Wooo! You got a date Wednesday, baby! “

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
      • Marcus

        Mmmmm…sacrilicious…

    • pat

      The old Jesus would turn the other cheek. The new Jesus turns your weak ass shit into homeruns.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

        IETCVM

  • arosen15

    Just buy a #3 jersey. I heard Babe Ruth Said Jesus is his son and he can wear the jersey

    • chriskeo

      Babe Ruth = God?

  • Brian

    I can’t wait to get my “Jews for Jesus” T-shirt.

    • arosen15

      Thats much funnier then my Babe Ruth comment

    • Guest

      If someone hasn’t already started printing these t-shirts, you better run with this idea Brian. Those things will sell.

    • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

      For Gentiles:

      “Jaws for Jesus” shirts. Adding a shark is the only way to make Jesus apparel more Xtreme.

    • nyy in sf

      “Jesus plays for the Yankees”

  • YankFanDave

    Not an omen or a wish but what about this — Nick Johnson gets injured and Montero is called up never to go down again. His bat is already MLB ready! Haven’t had this much excitement about a Yankee prospect since the you know who. Jesus (pun intended), hope I didn’t jinx Nick.

    • Brian

      or, we can call Jesus up in September (after a healthy 2010 AAA season), win #28 with a healthy Nick, and have Jesus win the 2011 Rookie of the Year.

      • YankFanDave

        Works for me.

    • Lanny

      If they want him as a catcher he needs to be playing fulltime in AAA and learning the position.

  • Guest

    This goes out to those much more in the know than I am:

    Is this idea of Jesus sticking at catcher really a pipe dream? We know he doesn’t have the kind of natural athleticism of other good, big defensive catchers like Joe Mauer. He has a strong enough arm, but a slow release. And he has a really strong work ethic and really wants to stick at catcher. Is this is enough for us to believe that he can be adequate enough defensively to stick at catcher?

    If it isn’t, why don’t the Yankees begin his training at another position now rather than later? The only reason I can think of his is trade value remains higher while he is still technically designated a “catcher.”

    But if 1) the Yankees only intend to trade him in a Halladay type situation (meaning he likely will not be traded since deals like that come around rarely) 2) his bat is just about major league ready now, and 3) no one believes he will stick at catcher, why not have him start gaining experience at one of the positions he will actually play in the majors? I understand he’s blocked at first and third, but there could be room in the corner OF.

    • Lanny

      If they didnt think he’d stick as a catcher he probably would have been moved already.

      You try to make him a catcher at all costs. Until he def proves he cant play the position. His value as a catcher is off the charts. His value as a DH is not so much

  • AndrewYF

    Is Montero’s BB% potential based on his minor league stats really all that reliable?

    Case for inflated: pitchers know how good he is, just stopped giving him pitches to hit.

    Case for deflated: Montero knows how good he is, can and will hit anything they throw at him, even if it’s off the plate.

    If Montero has such good judgment of the strike zone, and isn’t fooled by breaking pitches, doesn’t that mean he has the talent to draw walks at a higher level more than he has? Or am I just completely off base?

    • Tom Swift

      If you are on base, did you walk?

  • Mo

    Who thinks Jesus Montero can go .268/.325/.46/.793 with 12 HR in 314 ABs in 2010? or even better?Those are Miguel Cabrera’s numbers in 2003 at age 20. A June call up maybe? C/DH/PH/LF/RF? Cabrera played 3B, LF, RF when he came up. Montero would have about 1,200 ML ABs Cabrera had about 1,400. Thoughts?

    • Brian

      Let the kid develop in the minors. See if he can learn how to play catcher, and, if he can’t, let him play some games as a LF in the minors. The Yanks don’t need him right now- so, take it slowly. No need to rush him- other than for our own selfish reason of wanting to see him in the Bronx.

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