Open Thread: Just in case you forgot how awesome 2009 was…


Good times.

Here’s your open thread for the night. The Nets and Knicks (combined 18-56) are both in action, but that’s pretty much it. Anything goes, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. thurdonpaul says:

    maybe its my sucky computer, but that link doesnt seem to work :(

  2. Ben S says:

    That was the YES montage with different music.

    • Zac says:

      Anyone else find it weird that the last song on the video is by a band called “Boston”

      /Queen – We are the Champions. would have been a fine pick

  3. Bob B says:

    I miss Matsui already… :(

  4. robert skollar says:

    Lots of moments with Matsui, Melky and JD.

    Hope Grandy, NJ, and GGBG have as many in them…

  5. pat says:

    Melky’s lefty homers always look so cool.

  6. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Do you think the Yankees will be a walk off machine like last year again? Or was that mostly luck?

    • Any good hitting team in a hitter friendly ballpark will get their share of walkoffs. The Phillies have been famous for them in recent years, and the Mike Francesa’s of the world think it’s because they’re “gritty” and “gutty”. But it’s a simple matter of three things:

      1)Playing in a hitter-friendly ballpark
      2)Having a good lineup
      3)Getting the last AB

      That’s it. So yes, they’ll get their share of walkoffs this year.

      • BTW-I’m well aware of the fact that YS3 played much more neutral as the season wore on, but it’s still a Lefty-friendly place to hit and the Yanks have plenty of Lefthanded sluggers.

      • thurdonpaul says:

        does the ballpark even matter, hitter or pitcher friendly, if you have # 2 & 3 ?

        • Sure, it makes it that much more likely. If the Yanks played in Petco, I’m sure they would have had less walkoffs since they would have scored fewer runs.

          • thurdonpaul says:

            but at that point we are talking about extra innings..right ?
            so with a good lineup and the last at bat i think that matters more then the ballpark.
            both teams are playing with the same ballpark conditions

            either way…heres a toast to another successful year :)

            • I meant “played in Petco” as their HOME ballpark. I thought that was clear in the context I was responding to.

              • thurdonpaul says:

                yeah, i understood you meant Petco as there home park..but i dont really see what the park has to do with it ? im looking at extra innings as each team basically has the same opportunities to score. so if you have a good lineup & also the last at bat i think your in good shape for a walkoff regardless of the ballparks dimensions.

  7. DerMegalodonster says:

    This is a response to the “Don’t Disparage the Strikeout” post of the 12th which I did not read until too late to respond.

    This whole argument espoused by the Sabermetric community brings to mind a quote by that great philosopher of mathematics and scientific method, Alfred North Whitehead, “fools [the common baseball fan, called an old-paradigm caveman in some quarters] act on imagination without knowledge, pedants [the vast majority of the Sabermetric community, called unenlightened pseudo-scientists and half-rate sophists in other quarters] act on knowledge without imagination. ” I think it would be only right to supplement this with Einstein’s famed quote, “Imagination is MORE important than knowledge.” What both were getting at was the need for the speculative, for conceptual analysis v. statistical analysis. Sabermetrics often fail conceptually, which SHOULD make us question the inferences we draw from the statistical analysis.

    IMPLICIT in the “strikeouts don’t matter argument” is their relative value to non-strikeout outs (anyone who does not see or accept this I cannot debate). Therefore, if you cannot give an empirically based hard value to non-strikeout outs, such as, the average number of bases advanced by non-strikeout outs or the ratio of bases advanced to potential bases advanced by a non-strikeout out, you necessarily cannot make a categorical statement that strikeouts don’t matter (anymore than a non-strikeout out). All you have is a notion. Once we have this general value we can refine or particularize the value, e.g., multiply it by the increased likelihood of scoring in each situation, tabulate the actual runs scored due to the increased likelihood and so forth. But again, if you are placing a value on a strikeout which is relative to another type of out then you MUST have a hard value for that other type before you can PRESUME the value of a strikeout.

    Oh and just to nip it in the bud, the two articles cited in the post are mere specious arguments which prove little to nothing but engage in fallacies of diction/shifting sense, relevance and, worse, (logical) structure. Including but not limited to: Fallacy of Composition, Argument from False Cause, Fallacy of Hasty Generalization, Petitio Principii Argument, & Fallacy of the Undistributed Middle Term. How truly the father of Western rational thought spoke, “much learning does not teach understanding.”

    The whole debate could be simply settled if only Dewan (?) and his Army of 2,000 would simply tabulate all the bases advanced, runs scored and consequent runs scored.

    Have fun.

    Festina lente et cogita ante salis.

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  9. DP says:

    That’s unfair to lump the Knicks in with the Nets on that combined record! I mean the Yankees, Orioles, and Nats were a combined 226-260.

  10. Drew says:

    I’m going to miss Melky for a while.

  11. Baseball was about the only thing about 2009 that actually went right.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      Perhaps on the world stage, but Ihad a pretty damn good year personally.

    • billbybob says:

      Yeah, we didn’t elect a black guy President or anything.

      • This will end badly.


        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:


          /Not that I agree or anything’d

          • pete says:

            God I love Giant Steps. It’s weird b/c melodically it’s incredibly easy to play – pretty much all half notes, but when it comes to soloing over those changes at the speed he plays at, it becomes damn near impossible. The key changes jump out of nowhere in the middle of measures.


        • pete says:

          i disagree. electing a black man to the oval office is, however belated, a tremendous step towards racial equality, and, perhaps (at this point) more importantly, a tremendous step in demonstrating the inherent intellectual and mental equality between races. That’s clearly all that billbybob was referring to, and I doubt that anybody would argue with it.

          /resisting urge to explain that the same patience required in allowing for the development of Joba and Phil into effective major league starters is required in allowing for the development of economic reform’d

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

            This will end badly.

            /Just saying’d

          • Dude, please do the politics elsewhere. It’s a Baseball site.

          • Rose says:

            This is what’s wrong with elections these days…it should have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the color of his skin. I don’t care if it’s a big step towards equality or what-have-you. It shouldn’t be. You shouldn’t elect a guy because MTV or Rolling Stone Magazine told you to. You should vote based on your beliefs according to their policies. You don’t like the guy because of the color of his skin? Just simply don’t vote…your vote is tainted anyway. If you don’t like his policies? Now we’re talking.

            IMO, the 2 party system has to go…bring back the Wigs! lol

            • pete says:

              no argument there. it’s stupid that it was a necessary step, but it was a necessary step. and furthermore, if you think the man was only elected because he was black, you’re an idiot. whether you agree with his policies or not, there was undeniably a whole lot more to the guy than being black. ok that’s enough politics. sorry

            • TheLastClown says:


              • Rose says:

                Yes, but I also meant “bring back the wigs…” literally…like let’s start having our politicians wearing them again…

              • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

                No way. If anything, California and Texas should have their status as states repealed. And definitely Utah. That place is weird.

      • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

        Technically, he was elected in 2008. He took office in 2009.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

        To be accurate, we did that in 2008.

      • Rose says:

        The color of his skin has nothing to do with anything. But we did elect yet another President who thinks the best way to pull ourselves out of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of debt (depending on what you read and who you talk to) is to create EVEN MORE debt!

        /boversimplified? Perhaps…but it’s an open thread now so I can get away with it! Booyah! lol

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

          “The color of his skin has nothing to do with anything.”

          I’m not going to engage in any of the political stuff above, but I don’t believe, exaggeration and partisan politics aside, that you could possibly really believe that sentence that I quoted. Electing a black president was historic. You have to, at the very least, acknowledge the historical significance of that moment and what it meant to millions upon millions of people, black or not, American or not.

          • Rose says:

            I mean sure. It certainly was a breakthrough in history…but I still don’t think a color of a person’s skin means anything…at all. It’s all how a person is raised.

            Electing a black president was certainly historic for what had happened. But the color of his skin certainly shouldn’t have ever been a determining factor in anybody’s mind in the first place. But we all know that is always will be unfortunately…in our lifetime anyway.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

              Yeah, as will how much of a “real American” someone is, or what religion they happen to practice, or if they happen to be a man or a woman, or what state they’re from, or a million other things. Let’s not go overboard bemoaning the racial aspect, there are plenty of silly things that people consider, instead of solely focusing on policy and ability. To be fair, there was one ticket in the 2008 election that included someone whose popularity was based almost totally on non policy/ability reasons, and it wasn’t the Democratic ticket. Yeah, some people like Obama because he’s black, but don’t tell me there aren’t people on the other side who are more concerned with non policy/ability issues than there are on the Democratic side. Without getting into naming names and going deeper into this, we all know that’s not true, no matter where we fall on the political spectrum.

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

                PS: I’m not going to respond to this conversation any more. Nothing personal, I just don’t want to stay involved. I think I’ve said my piece.

    • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

      Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus disagree with your assessment. As do I.

    • Heh. My aunt died and I dropped out of grad school. Not to mention hearing the words “we need to rule out a pulmonary embolis” (note to self: ERs LOVE to overreact)

      So aside from the Yanks (and everything connected to them) and my nephew, 2009 sucked.

    • billbybob says:

      At least the stock market recovered.

      /Angry 2008 trader’d

  12. Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

    Okay, this really cracked me up…


    • pat says:

      Hahaha nice, if you’re a HP fan (such as myself) this should crack you up too.


    • pete says:

      fave quote: “i honestly don’t know how slytherin is even still a thing”

      FUCK i want to go to hogwarts soooooo bad

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

        Well that’s the first time I’ve ever heard/seen someone say/write that.

        • pete says:

          please. frickin staircases that decide to go different places randomly without informing you? yes please. Crazy hidden passageways that go to all sorts of places? sweet. The general existence of magic and being a wizard? duh. honestly, what’s not to like?

          • pat says:

            I’m with you pete. Being a wizard would be fuckin AWESOME. You can kill people make things appear fuck with muggles and do tons of cool shit.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

              I actually agree. I’m just a bit surprised you actually said it.

              • pete says:

                i’m 18. pretty much everyone within a couple years of me would say the same thing. I remember three or four baseball games last year where all we talked about on the bench was HP. Given, we kinda sucked at baseball, but it just goes to show – everyone my age, i mean EVERYONE, has read, and probably re-read every HP book.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

        You know how I know you’re…

        Nah, too easy.

  13. Rose says:

    I’m in my Financial Management class after working 8+ hours all day…and I’d love to be doing something more fun…like fall down a flight of stairs…or impale myself on a picket fence…

    Somebody help meeee!!!!

    • Evilest Empire says:

      I work at least 10 hours a day and I’m about to help host a webinar for the next couple hours, something I do 2 or 3 times a week … I can relate.

  14. Mondesi, did you see Mo’s latest post where he quoted you on Girardi?


    He pretty much built his post around your comment, and (as Mo also said) I couldn’t agree more and really can’t add anything to what you said. Nicely done.

    • Ah! You commented already. I was looking at an old page view.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

        Ha, yeah, he gave me a heads-up in the thread here earlier, so I went over and read/commented. It was very cool of him to quote me like that.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

          (Not that I don’t read you guys otherwise, I didn’t mean for it to sound like I only checked out the site because he quoted me. I just meant that was why I went over right at 7, since he had mentioned it to me a bit earlier.)

        • Evilest Empire says:

          I just read the post. You laid it down.

          TYU is a solid blog, I finally bookmarked you guys.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

            Good, everyone should hop on the bangwagon. TYU is a must-read, as long as you can get past the posts by that Steve joker.

            • Fine. You think you can do better, Mr Smarty Pants? E-mail me a guest post and we’ll see how you do with those ravenous lions we have in the comments section.

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

                Haha, not a chance. What you guys do is hard… If I thought I could do it as well as any of you, I’d try my hand.

                (If I ever thought of anything I thought I could do justice and would be interesting, I’ll email you, thanks.)

                • Steve H says:

                  I have an idea for you Mondesi.

                  Compare the cast of Sunny to their Yankee counterparts. I’ll even give you a head start, Charlie=Swish.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

                  Ha… Charlie is obviously Swish, that’s easy.

                  Ummmm… Mac is Posada. Popo thinks he’s really tough, he thinks he’s the muscle of the team, just like Mac. I’m thinking A-Rod for Dennis, since he’s vain and has nicer stuff than everyone else and is always popping his shirt off. Dee… is tough. Girardi maybe? Always coming up with the ideas but not getting any credit? And Frank has got to be Pena right? Older guy who’s just hanging around because he wants to have fun with the young guys? Cricket is Pedro. Always getting tea-bagged by The Gang. I have to run for a while, I’ll come back later and refine this if I have further thoughts. There’s gotta be a better answer for Dee.

                  I just saw Sweet Dee in a commercial for an awful-looking romantic comedy, btw.

                  I’ve gotta be honest… I still love the earlier seasons of Sunny, but this past season was sub-par, and the one before it wasn’t so great either. I still watch and think it’s funny, but it’s fallen pretty far, in my opinion.

                • Steve H says:

                  Agreed on this season. I thought the few good ones were great (milksteak), but the majority of them were just meh.

  15. Steve H says:

    Building a team using the nerd-stats approach has never been so cool. And perhaps no franchise exemplifies this trend as well as the Boston Red Sox.


    • pete says:

      ESPN is where i go when a thread here dies, and there’s nothing new up on lohud, TYU, Fangraphs, THBT, BA, and BP, to look for baseball articles, only to be slapped in the face by the futility of my efforts.

    • vin says:

      My response below is tangential to yours, so I’m replying here:

      I had this thought the other day – MLB Network really should do a legitimate, weekly, stats-oriented show. A couple of weeks ago they did some half-assed attempts to educate the fans about sabermetrics and such, but it was such a weak show.

      Tom Verducci was their go-to “expert” and Harold Reynolds just sat there and disputed everything. Besides, they didn’t go much deeper than OPS – and they acted like they just invented it.

      Verducci did come up with a weird variation of RBI that I’ve never heard of, however. He used it to prove his point that Abreu had a great season… there’s nothing like reaching a conclusion first, and then finding stats to back it up!

      I think there’s a market for the show… people who watch MLB Network are already serious baseball fans. Most casual fans don’t even know it exists, and they just go to ESPN for the scores and highlights.

  16. Salty Buggah says:

    Yankees to Donate $500,000 to Rescue and Relief Efforts in Haiti.

    Greatest franchise ever.

  17. This was great, remember the other one? what’s the link to that?

  18. JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

    You guys think Gardy learns how to bunt this year? It would be pretty cool considering his skill set.

  19. billbybob says:

    How much of a douche is Lane Kiffin?

  20. Carroll and Cerrone say big news pending for the Mets and it’s not good. Dunno what it is, but the Mets fans on Twitter are already heading for the Verezzano…

  21. You know, I’m usually all about the simple, understated beauty of old-school, throwback-style uniforms, and I generally hate the gaudiness/garishness/over-the-top style of the new, uber-futuristic Nike-style uniforms, but…

    The Sixers neo-classic kits are tres boring. Snoozefest. I actually prefer the black/blue/red sets from before.

    If they were going to go back to the past and restore the classic red/white/blue, they shoulda gone back to this:

    Or this:

    The font on the ones they use now looks oddly too modern for the color scheme. It’s anachronistic.

  22. This college basketball season is going to be a hyper disappointment for me.

    • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

      The college football season was one of the most anti-climactic seasons in memory. The basketball season is shaping up the same way. Outside of Wall and Turner, no one really excites me. I do like watching Syracuse, Kentucky, Villanova, and Texas play, but still, it’s been a disappointing year thus far.

      Shitty year for college sports.

  23. Charlie says:

    Celtics-Nets: 71-35 at halftime.

  24. Steve H says:

    Speaking of Johan, what would everyone put his chances at making the HOF?

    I’d guess about 40%, unless the BBWAA gets smarter by then. I just don’t know how long he’ll be around to compile, and if he’s a guy with right around 200-225 wins, I don’t know if that’ll be enough (though if he’s healthy and relatively productie for 6-8 more years it’d be enough in my eyes)

  25. Steve H says:

    I was looking at Johan’s stats, and was amazed that he had a 70 inning (84 including playoffs) jump from his previous high in his first full season as a starter. And the previous 2 years he had made a Joba-esque transition back and forth from pen to rotation (why wasn’t that a big deal?) I’m wondering if by doing that it helped him avoid any Verducci effect, and if in the long run, as frustrating as it was, the Joba plan may benefit him greatly. Hell, that’s how they used to bring young starters up, put them in the pen for a while and then unleash as a full time starter, like Joba this year.

    • JGS says:

      Lester went up over 60 from 07-08

      and Nolan Ryan spent five years going back and forth between the rotation and pen (check out his game logs from 1970). This is nothing new

  26. Dodgers signed Nick Green.

    Adding him to the Berroa/Mientkiewicz/Russ Ortiz/Josh Towers smorgasbord of Yankee castoffs.

    They’re fetishists.

  27. RT @nyp_joelsherman Trying to get 2d confirmation, but hear that Beltran had microfracture knee surgery today without #Mets permission”

    The “without permission” is what gets me

  28. Jake H says:

    Watching that video makes me very happy.

  29. pc says:

    it never gets old does it!

  30. JohnnyC says:

    Belly full of guts?

  31. JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

    How bad will the Mets be next year with Beltran out? They may have a reasonably decent lineup with Reyes, Wright and Bay, but shit, that’s a huge loss.

    • Hey, the off season isn’t over yet. They can still make significant upgrades, if they’re willing to spend the cash.

      • Does this open up a spot for Damon? I doubt it, as he obviously can’t play CF and I don’t think they’d shift Bay to RF.

        • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

          Dude, no way. Even Omar’s not that stupid.

          **Puts hand to ear**

          I’ve just been told that Omar is in fact that stupid. Damon to the Mets. Book it. No way it doesn’t happen now.

      • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

        Outside of trades, there’s not much out there on the FA market that could be real difference makers.

        Sheets, Piniero, LaRoach, Bengie Molina makes them a contender even with Beltran possibly out for the year, right? It’s way too much to spend, in my opinion, but they could all be taken on two-year deals (maybe not LaRoach), I’d expect.

  32. JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

    Haven’t looked up to see if it’s there, but Beltran’s not the only one having season-ending knee surgery.

    Blake Griffin, #1 pick of the 2009 draft, is having surgery on his screwed up left knee.

    • thurdonpaul says:

      JMK i commented before about wanting to know if you did stand up. i apologize that i wasnt very clear, but, yes i truly enjoy your writing style. i enjoy reading what you write :)

      • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

        Oh, thanks. I did a few little gigs in college, but was remarkably unsuccessful. In fairness, Vermont is a PC, humorless state. I don’t do anything now, which is more a combination of laziness, lack of a functioning automobile, and long work hours. Also, a lack of tangible work skills may also be a factor in my long work week. I’m way overpaid for the crap work I produce, though I spend almost double the amount of time than my colleagues.

        I’m much funnier on the internet than I am IRL, if that’s any solace. Again, thanks for the nice comment.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Wait is this season ending? I’m only seeing 3-4 weeks.

    • Unrelated: at my internship seminar training thing last week, someone referred to the basement of the library as the “Garden level.”

  33. The Deep End looks like an awful combination of Scrubs, The Office, and Grey’s Anatomy in a law office. All the ads for it are pissing me off. I hope it gets canned.

  34. Reggie C. says:

    I’m absolutely floored about the Beltran microfracture news. Right now estimates (rotoworld) has Beltran missing at least the first month of the 2010 regular season. Mets simply can’t catch a break.

  35. pat says:

    Pam Beasley is so fucking hot.

  36. pat says:

    Ricky Gervais is gonna be on Conan.

    I bet he’s hilarious.

  37. aj says:

    I’ll never forget 2009, I’m only 23, but it was really one of the most memorable seasons I can remember. I’ll just ignore the drunkenness and disorderly conduct at the parade.

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