Jan
20

Open Thread: Mobile app survey

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Ben, Joe, and myself are constantly looking for ways to improve the RAB experience for our readers, and one of the things we’re discussing is a mobile application. Before we move forward with actually having it developed, we need to see what kind of interest you guys have in one.

The survey below is a whopping six questions long and should take you all of one minute to fill out, but it’ll be a tremendous help giving us an idea of whether or not putting an app together is worth it. You guys aren’t stupid, I’m sure you realize that if we don’t think we could made some money off it, we probably won’t go ahead with it. We’re not looking to get rich (not that we’re opposed to it), but the more we have to offset our perpetually increasing hosting costs, the better.

You won’t have to input any personal information and we wouldn’t share it anyway, as per our privacy policy. We just want to add up all the survey information and use that to determine whether or not we move forward with a mobile app. At that point perhaps we can boost our revenue and justify spending even more of our time on the site. I think that’s works to everyone’s benefit.

Take the RAB Mobile App survey.

Thanks in advance, we greatly appreciate it.

Anyway, now that that’s taken care of, use this puppy as your open thread for the night. The Devils and Nets are the only local teams in action tonight, but American Idols auditions are on and those are usually good for a laugh. Anything goes, just be nice.

  • freemont

    who’s watching the marquette game? i know i am

    • Will

      I’m with you on that one! The most underrated team in all of college hoops!

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

    The answer to the Yanks LF/bench problem.

    http://www.theyankeeu.com/2010.....ield-14303

    You heard it here first.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      It’ll never happen just because he dissed Jeter. That’s like dissing the Don. He’s lucky he still has use of his legs.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I think what Gary Sheffield said was totally fine and acceptable.

        Sincerely,
        Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV)

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          Jeter is light-skinned with no Negro dialect, unless he wants to have one.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Not to start a political tangent, but I actually DO think what Reid said was totally fine. The only problem he made was using the word “Negro”, which happened not because he’s a racist of some sort but just because he’s really, really old.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

              Exactly. Stuff like that I generally chalk up to age group. It’s like my Grandma saying “Colored” which people stopped using about 40-50 years ago. But when she was young (1920s) it was in common usage.

              “Negro” and “Colored” were both originally simply descriptive and not pejorative (I think both were used by the Census bureau at one time or another) but both became to have more negative associations over time.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Eh, I don’t know if you can say they were “not pejorative”, but it is correct to say that some people could and did use them in a non-pejorative sense because they were ignorant and/or oblivious to the pejorative undertones, but whatevs. I get what you’re saying and agree.

        • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

          Before I even scrolled down to see past the “Sincerely” I knew who you were going for. Never change, Tommie.

          (But I do expect an apology lobster meal.)

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            I give because I love.

            But I’m not giving you a lobster meal until AFTER you put out.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        I wrote it expecting to get a huge backlash, and was shocked at how much support Gary had. About 50-50.

        BTW-I could fight off almost every argument against him except the one you just made. If Jeter was upset by the “He’s not Black” stuff, then there’s zero chance he comes here. But I never saw him say he was (not that he would say it publicly). IIRC, he just said ‘no comment’.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          On one hand, A-Rod dissed Jeter as well. I’m pretty sure Jeter despised A-Rod, but maintains a good working relationship with him. Maybe it’s possible with Sheff.

          I’m just sick of Sheff, he’s a dick.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Yeah, but he’s a dick who hit .276/.372/.451 (119+) last year (albeit in only 312 PA).

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              0.1 WAR

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                He only played part time. Hard to put up a sterling WAR in half a season (unless you’re Gritty Gutty Brett Gardner and you’re supported by an astronomically high defensive metric in a small sample size.)

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  Yeah, I agree. The problem was trying to play everyday, which he just can’t handle anymore. If you pick your spots with Gary I still think there’s plenty there. Still has an AMAZINGLY quick bat for a 41 year old.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  I’m on board.

                  He’s probably a riskier option than Reed Johnson, but I wouldn’t be upset with either one.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  He adds pop to a LF platoon with Gardner and you could wind up getting decent production between the two of them.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

            I wrote the piece looking to be provocative, and again was stunned at how many people would welcome him back.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Curt Schilling is an asstard douchenozzle gasbag, but if I thought he could actually help the 2010 Yankees win ballgames and all he cost was a small amount of money, I’d want him on this team.

              • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                Well, we all know Curt’s really a Yankee fan.

              • scooter

                Him and his ketchup bottle…

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Didn’t A-Rod diss Jeter?

    • Drew

      I love me some Sheff.

    • ultimate913

      In your ideal 2010 Yankee lineup, where would Sheffield hit? Do you still think he has what it takes to be a number 5 hitter? Or do you think he has declined past that point?

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        No no no no no. That Sheffield is long gone. I mentioned him as a bench player and Righty platoon with Gardner. That’s it.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        In your ideal 2010 Yankee lineup, where would Sheffield hit?

        Doesn’t really matter. The 2010 Yankee lineup, not including Sheff, currently has prototypical #5/#6 hitters hitting in spots 5-6-7-8 in the lineup already with Posada-Cano-Granderson-Swisher. Sheff would thus hit anywhere from 6-9 in the lineup, as all 5 guys are pretty interchangeable (but Posada’s likely locked into #5 due to veteran deference).

        Sheff’s probably declined to where he’s really a #6 and not a true #5, but he’s probably the #9 hitter in this lineup based on true talent levels at this point.

        I’d say:
        1-Jeter (R)
        2-Johnson (L)
        3-Tex (S)
        4-ARod (R)
        5-Posada (S)
        6-Cano (L)
        7-Sheffield (R)
        8-Granderson (L)
        9-Swisher (S)

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      i clicked the link. i saw the url. i closed the link.

      and i LIKE sheff…

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        Oh, come on. Give it a read, you might change your mind a teeny bit.

      • pat

        Something against TYU?

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          I think he meant the title of the post in the URL.

          ….how-about-gary-sheffield-14303

    • Accent Shallow

      I disagreed with you last night, and I disagree with you now, for the following reasons:

      -I’m skeptical that Sheffield would accept a bench role, or would be a good citizen in such a role
      -He’s an awful defender
      -Despite being signed for his bat, he slugged .450 last year, with a .180 ISO. He’s no longer a great slugger/elite hitter
      -He’s 41
      -The Jeter-related comments
      -He’s a crazy person

      (Ok, three of those are personality-related, but he’s no longer a good enough hitter to be worth the poor defense/other headaches.)

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        I actually wanted to thank you, you helped me write a better piece. I always like to get a debate going and/or a dissenting point of view so I can address the counter arguments made in the article.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          You sound like a gay.

          /Lombardi’d

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Since you brought it up Steve, I always thought you had a nice ass.

            Just sayin.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I see in the survey responses that people are asking about a mobile app cost. It won’t be expensive, like $0.99 to download or something like that, with no monthly subscription fee or anything.

    • Paul

      I’d been more than willing to pay for a RAB app. At 99 cents I’d probably consider it a great deal.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        That. I don’t generally pay for iPhone apps, but if it’s a well designed one that makes my life simpler, I’ll kick in a buck or two (or three).

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          i’m a cheap m@#$%^ f@#$%& but i’d pay .99 a year to make it easier to get my rab on…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            I hope it includes a button to auto-cut-and-paste our favorite lame movie quotes, so that it’s quicker and easier to annoy our mutual friend “SBGL”.

    • Drew

      99 cents would be great, I replied “I don’t know” because I didn’t realize it would be such a small fee.

      • vin

        Me too.

    • RichYF

      gogo BB apps. I’ll pop my “pay-for-apps” cherry on it just for you guys.

    • Accent Shallow

      I won’t give you a dime for it, but I’m the last person on the planet with a non-Web enabled phone.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Great story, Brian. Compelling, and rich.

        Well, that’s gonna do it for all of us here at Channel 4 News. I’m Ron Burgundy. You stay classy, San Diego.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

    What do you guys think will be the impact of the King Feliz/Josh Johnson extensions?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01.....38;emc=rss

    My first impression is that it doesn’t change much. The fact remains that they could be dealt in coming years, especially Josh Johnson. The Marlins didn’t really want to pay him, they had their arm twisted by the MLBPA and Bud Selig. They may decisde to deal him not because he isn’t signed, but because the big mnoney is kicking in and they’re rebuilding (Jake Peavy/Dan Haren). I could still see him being dealt, maybe as soon as this year’s trade deadline if they fall out of it and get a good offer.

    King Felix is a bit different, Seattle is a solid franchise. But if they have another 08 campaign, they will certainly make Lee available and possibly Felix as well.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Felix isn’t going anywhere for a long time. Seattle’s not poor, they could afford to pay him nine-figures when that deal is up.

      Johnson’s a different story, I’m sure he’ll be available soon enough. Lincecum and Verlander will get there’s soon, within a year.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        I agree. The only scenario I can see Felix being dealt is if they have another 08 and decide to blow it up and rebuild. That implies new GM and manager, which is basically a doomsday scenario. At that point, he may either demand a trade and/or they’ll figure they’re a few years from contending again and decide to deal him since he’s they’re most valuable commodity.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Frankly, the “Will the Mariners trade Felix or won’t they” is moot. We’d only be interested in him as a free agent.

          When he’s 29 and finally hits the market, THEN we can give him ridiculous money.

          • vin

            It’ll be like CC all over again.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              If he keeps at this rate, he’ll be better than CC.

              If we’re really lucky we’ll still have CC anyway.

    • Drew

      I heard the Fish were planning on the extension before Selig opened his mouth. I think Selig and the MLBPA may have forced their hand towards Uggla and Cantu but not so much JJ. That said, I’d guess that he’ll be there for a few more years, unless they get offered ridiculous talent which is more than possible.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        They absolutely were negotiating, that was reported everywhere. But they hit what appeared to be a major stumbling block where talks broke down, and then Bud and the Union stepped in and the deal got done.

        • Drew

          Still, I think the timing was coincidental, Loria told JJ a while ago not to worry and that a deal would be done. Like I said, I think Ugly and Cantu benefited from Bud’s stance more so than Johnson.

    • Accent Shallow

      The Marlins’ story for years is that they’ll open up the payroll when they get the new stadium. Now that MLB has forced their hand, they may be unlikely to go down the ultra-cheap path again.

      Not that they wouldn’t deal Johnson if it were advantageous, but now he’s not a lock to get dealt if he’s making more than $5m.

  • ultimate913

    Hey, Mike. Is the boxscore idea I mentioned a possible one? Or would you not do that because it is already possible to view through ESPN’s app or MLB’s app?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I’m not sure, we haven’t figured out the details yet.

  • http://www.geeks2you.net Marc

    For the mobile app, make it have some feature that the website normally wouldn’t have. Otherwise, I’ve got no reason to spend $0.99 to read the articles when I could just as easily open it up on the browser. I mean 99 cents isn’t a big deal to me, but may be to some people. That is sales tactic #101.

  • Ct_chris

    Don’t comment much, but love the content and discussion. Have both an itouch and palm pre. Use both to check RAB on web. Having a dedicated app would be great and would be willing to pay up a few dollars for the convenience.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    “Ben, Joe, and myself are constantly looking for ways to improve the RAB experience for our readers, and one of the things we’re discussing is River Ave. Hookers a mobile application.”

    /firstdraft’d

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Fun fact: That was originally mentioned in the Declaration of Independance as well.

      Jefferson was a genius after well. That damn Franklin bastard had it edited out. Stupid upright virtues.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Poontang.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Ugh. Typo. After well should be after all.

    • Joey

      One time charge of $0.99? Who the hell will be on the corner? Mike? I’ll pass thanks

  • DP

    Hahahah. Preston Wilson? Really?

    • vin

      I still can’t believe Preston was drafted the same year as Jeter. Derek made it to the big leagues in half the time.

      • vin

        Another Preston Wilson note:

        He has the lowest single-season OPS+ for any player to hit 35+ hrs, and 140+ rbi. Matt Williams had the 2nd lowest.

        2003 – .282/.343/.537/880 ops, 36 hrs, 141 rbi.

        Of course OPS+ adjusts for ballparks, and he played in Colorado that year.

        • J.R.

          He also batted behind Todd Helton that year and Helton was a machine. I remember they would always walk Helton to get to Preston.

  • king of fruitless hypotheticals

    i was thinking the app wouldnt be just like rab in a safari window, but more like my echofon twitter app…make sense?

  • J.R.

    I just use my Blackberry on the bus and have had very few problems with it. The only thing I cant do is post comments, and sometimes the format gets a little screwy around pictures.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Stop the madness, people.

    http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....-future-2/

    Leave it up to some folks and Manny Banuelos will be wearing triple digits.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I agree with all suggested names except O’Neill.

      • vin

        Yeah, me too. Too bad Jorge and Thurman doesn’t/didn’t wear #8, that would be more efficient.

      • DP

        I think it should basically just be HOFs unless there’s a real good reason. The currently retired numbers that aren’t HOF are Billy Martin who spent many years with the organization, Don Mattingly who basically represents the entire 80s and early 90s (and was a captain), and Thurmon Munson (for obvious reasons). That (to me) rules out Bernie and O’Neill, and without a lot more work, Posada and Pettitte.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

          THAAAAAANNNNK YYYYYOOOOOUUUUUU! You said it better than I would have. HOFers, or there better be a DAMN good reason.

          Unfortunately, they’ve retired a bunch of guys (Guidry/Howard/Rizzuto) who don’t fit that criteria. Even Reggie shouldn’t have his number retired, he spent 5 years with the team in a TWENTY ONE season career, and they weren’t even his best years.

          http://www.baseball-reference......re01.shtml

          They’ve already retired too many. Stop the madness.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Yeah, but Reggie went in the HOF as a Yankee.

            Whether he should have or not, he still did.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            They’ve already retired too many. Stop the madness.

            I agree.

            Similarly, since Jim Rice made the Hall when he shouldn’t have, the only logical solution is to not ever induct anyone into the Hall again, no matter how deserving they may be. It’s only fair.

            Wait, what?

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

              I never said that. But after certain “less deserving” HOF types were inducted by the Veterans committee (cough Rizzuto cough Mazerowski) Baseball stepped in a raised the standards by changing the way they were elected. I’m not saying undo what’s been done, just raise the standard going forward.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Fine. Raise the standard now for Monument Park, so that guys like Reggie don’t get their number retired.

                We should still retire 2, 11, 13, 15, 20, 42, and 51, though.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  11?

                  Hey, I like Brett Gardner as much as the next guy, but I think were getting ahead of ourselves a tiny bit.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  I’m not retiring 11 for Gardner, you big dummy.

                  I’m retiring it for Gary Sheffield. (Or possibly Chuck Knoblauch.)

    • JGS

      they should give 6 to Montero

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        I like the way you think, cowboy.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          They should give number three to Montero.

          BOOOOOOOM

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

      2 – Derek Jeter-Of Course
      6 – Joe Torre-No
      20 – Jorge Posada-No
      21 – Paul O’Neill-No
      42 – Mariano Rivera-Duh
      46 – Andy Pettitte-No
      51 – Bernie Williams-Yes

      Torre deserves it, but he’s burned so many bridges with the Yanks that he’ll die before getting his number retired. If George was himself, he’d bury the hatchet. But I don’t think his sons have any use for Torre.

      Bernie is top 5 on so many offensive franchise lists that he’s a no brainer. The Yanks have already told him that if he would just officially retire, they’ll give him a day. Could happen later this year.

      The rest are NO.

      • JGS

        I’m going to disagree on Posada–he is up there with Yogi and Dickey

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          That. Posada’s number should be a lock for Monument Park. One of the top 10 catchers in MLB history.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Maybe I’m wrong but wow, that sounds way too bold.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          I want Posada retired too but dude he’s not even close to Yogi or Dickey. They shouldn’t even be discussed with each other.

          • JGS

            by OPS+

            Dickey: 127
            Berra: 125
            Posada: 124

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Dickey: BA 313, OBP 382, 202 HR’s

              Yogi: 358 HR’s, OBP 348, BA 285

              Jorge: BA 277, OBP 379, HR’s 253

              Holy Fuck. I was totally wrong. Posada is unquestionably in, first ballot.

              • JGS

                his counting stats suffer because he wasn’t a rookie until 25, but all this from a catcher is historically good

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Jorge’s problem is that he was stuck playing with so many great players. Jeter, Mo, etc. He was never “The Guy.”

                Tremendous player, better HOF case than most realize, should be a Monument Park shoo-in.

              • vin

                I just realized myself that, Posada has been without a doubt a better hitter than Pudge.

                Of course Pudge has him beat in the counting stats because he reached the bigs at such and early age (I suppose there’s value in that).

                In terms of offensive catchers, Jorge is firmly entrenched in that 2nd tier… along with Cochrane, Dickey, Gabby, Bench, Berra, Campy, and Lombardi.

                Of course the 1st tier only has 1 member – Piazza.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  IDK. Great hitter, terrible defender. If WAR worked with ctacher defense I don’t know how kind it would treat Piazza. Yogi in contrast had superb defense.

                • vin

                  Oh yeah. I’m talking about offense only though. Which is why Pudge will probably be a 1st or 2nd ballot HOFer, and Jorge won’t (nor shouldn’t).

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Oh yeah. Offense only, it’s Piazza.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            He doesn’t have to be close to Yogi or Dickey to merit inclusion in Monument Park. That’s like saying that Jeter shouldn’t be included because he’s not close to DiMaggio or Mantle.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              His comment was, “He’s up there with Yogi and Dickey.”

              He deserves to be in monument park, butalthough he’s a first ballot HOF’er, Yogiand Dickey were still, you know, better.

      • Drew

        Bern, Jete, Mo and Torre are yes’s in my book.

        A couple more years of Po behind the dish will make him a yes too.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Quickly:

      2 – Derek Jeter – Yes
      6 – Joe Torre – Almost, but not quite
      20 – Jorge Posada – Yes
      21 – Paul O’Neill – No
      42 – Mariano Rivera – Yes
      46 – Andy Pettitte – Yes
      51 – Bernie Williams – Yes

      Left out from the list, but most definitely will be included when all is said and done:

      13 – Alex Rodriguez – Yes

      Something else to think about eventually, especially if he’s still good, resigns, and extends his Yankee career with more productive years after his initial contract is up:

      25 – Mark Teixeira – ?????

      —————————————–

      1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 7 – 8 – 8 – 9 – 10 – 13 – 15 – 16 – 20 – 23 – 32 – 37 – 42 – 42 – 44 – 46 – 49 – 51

      We SHOULD have like three or four times as many numbers retired as other teams. Our team is three or four times better than theirs is.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Of course you think Torre SHOULD make it, don’t you? You just don’t think he WILL.

        Right? Right?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I think Torre was a coinflip before the book flap. I would have been fine with his number being retired, I would have been fine with it not being retired.

          The book brouhaha turned it from a tossup to a definite NO.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I’m amazed you’re saying that. I mean, what more could you want? 4 world series titles, six appearances, and a playoff appearance every year? The book thing is seperate. It’s like the HOF. He may be in a subtle way a dick but he still produced at a tremendous level.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              I agree. He also managed the Yankees for 12 seasons, and was legally dead for about half of those 12 seasons.

              Okay, I exaggerated, but still. Torre’s the bomb, but he had an ungraceful ending even BEFORE the book, and it leaves enough of a bad taste in the mouth to make him a borderline case, IMO.

              But if the team retired his number, I wouldn’t protest.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                He’s up there with the best managers in history. I think I’d rank him above Mccarthy.

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  You should think twice about that.

                  http://www.baseball-reference......jo99.shtml

                  Unlike Joe, McCarthy had a decent record when he came to the Yanks. 36-44 is considered the apex of the franchise by many historians.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  True, he did have a decent record when he came…but on the other hand, the talent he had was better than Torre’s. And Torre had damn good talent.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  1) McCarthy
                  (small gap)
                  2) Stengel

                  (HUGE gap)

                  3) Huggins

                  (large gap)

                  4) Torre

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Hmmm…Mine:

                  1) Stengel
                  (large gap)

                  2)Torre
                  (microscopic gap)
                  3)McCarthy
                  (small gap)
                  4)Huggins

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  This.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I’ll assume you mean mine. ;-)

                • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  HEY! I was replying to TSJC.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Sure you were.

            • vin

              Did Torre produce, or did the organization & players produce?

              IMO, you can’t hold managers up to the same standards as players because they just don’t matter all that much. I’m sure Trey Hillman (randomly chosen manager) could’ve won with those teams.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                All right, no managers make the HOF. Take all of them out, they have nothing to do with it.

                • vin

                  I’m not saying that. I just think there are a lot of great tacticians and managerial minds out there… and the majority of the managers who are celebrated and enshrined were fortunate enough to be in the right place at the right time.

                  Tactically, I doubt Torre changed much from his Mets/Atlanta/Cards days to his Yankee/Dodger days. The only difference is the personnel was better.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Get Stengel out! He was bad before he came to the Yanks and bad afterward.

          • JGS

            did Joe McCarthy have a number? I know Huggins didn’t, but when did they start giving managers numbers?

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

              No, most managers didn’t wear numbers back then.

              I think it started with Casey Stengel, who wore #37.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Correct.

                http://yankeenumbers.com confirms that neither Huggins nor McCarthy ever wore a number as managers (or as players in their pre-managerial days, for that matter).

            • vin

              And why did they. It doesn’t make a lot of sense. I like the suit and tie, Connie Mack style myself.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        Argue Andy for me. I just don’t see it. The Yanks have had FAR better pitchers whose numbers aren’t retired. He was never even the ace of any staff that he was on.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Okay, Andy… I can’t make that argument, you’re right.

          I could live without his number being retired. You’re correct, he doesn’t measure up, so ax him from my list.

          Lefty Gomez’s #11 should be retired, however, and #15 should be co-retired for both Munson and Red Ruffing.

          • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Bingo, that was my counter argument in a nutshell.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

            Red Ruffing is my second favorite Boston trade/sell off. Look at his career as a Red Soxer(?) and then he gets traded to the Yankees and……BOOOM. Hall-of-Famer.

            http://www.baseball-reference......re01.shtml

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Andy’s really, really popular.

          I know that before I said it’s LIKE the HOF, but it’s not the HOF. He’s popular enough and has been such a staple of the Yankee championship teams for so long that I always thought he should have his number retired.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      Joe Torre’s number must be retired. He’s a legend. Made the playoffs every year and brought four world championships to New York. Clueless Joe? I don’t think so.

      If you notice..nobody has even mentioned the #6 since Torre left. I’m pretty sure they are saving it for a Joe Torre Day sometime down the road. Maybe after Torre retires after the 2011 season. (Torre said that 2011 will be his last year)

      Said by one of the guys running the blog.

      And I can’t disagree more. Torre is great and all but seriously why have a problem with Girardi? He’s a good manager. He’s made what a couple mistakes this year? He gets a lot of shit since he’s the poor guy who replaced Torre but damn even after a nWorld Series win he’s labeled as Clueless?

      Plus I have no effing idea how the hell Girardi can win 4 championships in 2 years. if anyone can tell me how that’s possible let me know. And if Torre had to endure some 2008 injuries I’m sure he wouldn’t lead that team to the playoffs.

      • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

        Look. . . .we all know that Ben has issues with alcohol and prescription drugs. It doesn’t make him a bad person.

        • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

          IETC.
          (Sorry Ben)

      • Nady Nation

        Wasn’t Ben just refuting the “Clueless Joe” newspaper headline Torre received when he arrived in NY, as opposed to calling Girardi clueless?

    • Accent Shallow

      Unfortunately, I can see all of those eventually being retired, with the exception of Paulie. (They gave the number to LaTroy Hawkins, I’m sure they’ll give it out again)

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    From Ben’s “Nine Innings” interview with Jesse Spector:

    Jesse’s question:

    Who’s been more important to the Yankees’ success over the last decade and a half: Derek Jeter or Mariano Rivera?

    Ben’s response:

    Hands down it’s Derek Jeter. I love Mariano Rivera as much as the rest of us. He’s one of my all-time favorite Yankees, and no one has been a better closer than he has. But he throws very few innings a year and doesn’t have a just to impact the game until the end. Jeter, meanwhile, plays nearly every inning of nearly every game. He has a more direct impact on far more aspects of the game than Rivera. I’ll take a Hall of Fame position player over a Hall of Fame closer any day.

    What Ben’s response should have been:

    Is it true that if you don’t “use it”, you “lose it”?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....z0dCiLpchI

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I’m just responding since this post looked lonely. I have nothing significant to contribute.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Thanks. Real praise is awesome, but contrived, fake, pity praise still feels good.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Don’t mention it. I’m happy to help.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            My mom says I’m a catch.

  • Hey ZZ

    Jerry Hairston: “Brian Cashmans going to get mad at me, but Yanks didn’t make me offer because he’s waiting on Damon price to come down”

    http://twitter.com/jimbowdeniv

    • Drew

      Ha. He was on BBTN this afternoon as an in-studio analyst. They asked him about the Mets situation and what their deal is, he was like, “I can’t say what I think because who knows I might be playing there next year.”

  • Drew

    Hmm.. Joel Pineiro to the Angels? Yes please.

    He had a great year with the Cards but I don’t see him translating to the AL like he did in 03-04 with Seattle. He’s a different pitcher now.

  • AndrewYF

    Posting via my mobile….I think something like what mlbtr uses would be perfect

  • Salty Buggah

    Jim Bowden just tweeted this:

    Jerry Hairston “Brian Cashmans going to get mad at me, but Yanks didn’t make me offer because he’s waiting on Damon price to come down” on XM

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I have a post up.

      • Salty Buggah

        Yea, just saw. I didn’t refresh. My bad.

    • Salty Buggah

      Ahh fuck, too late. That’s what happens when you don’t refresh

  • RobC

    I need some help from a stat head er I mean SABERmatrician..
    The fantasy league I am in is debating add some different scoring stats for this year.
    One guy wants doubles b/c HR are “too valuable” since they give a H, RBI, R, HR and inc OPS.
    Since HR are more valuable in real life I do not see a problem with them being more valuable infantsy.
    This lead to the guy saying “You can win a real life baseball game with just walks and singles and doubles hitters” I agree IF you have top pitching and defense.
    So how much more valuable are HR than BB, singles and doubles?

  • Danny

    Why not just a mobile version of the site instead of creating a separate app for each platform?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
    • Drew

      Just my 2 cents, an app would enable them to try and recoup some money. A mobile version would cost them money and time without any added cashola. I have a Pre and the site is fine as is, I’d guess it’s just as well on Iphones/touches. That said, if an app came along that made RAB even easier to work on my phone I’d gladly pay a couple bucks.

      • Danny

        I guess if the motivation was to make some money, then an app would make sense. Although making an app (for one or more platforms) will cost a lot more time and money than just creating a mobile site that any phone can access.

        If they do go the app route, I would like to see them use something similar to what Engadget recently released for the Pre. It would be a good template and they’ve got a pretty decent commenting system in place.

        I also have the Pre and like you said, the site displays just fine. An app would have to offer something a little extra. What that little extra is, I’m not sure.

        • whozat

          On my iPhone, the site looks great, and the phone’s tap-to-zoom makes it easy to bring the post and the comments to just the rght size. The commenting software, though, CRAWLS.

    • Accent Shallow

      They had a mobile version of the site, and it seemed to pop up at inopportune times via normal browser.

      (At least in my experience)

    • Slu

      Seconded. I’d love a mobile version of the site.

  • RobC

    BTW the coaches clinic I was at in NJ I asked Dave Eiland if Mariano River is human. Eiland is not sure.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      RobC: Dave, is Mariano Rivera human?
      Dave Eiland: I can’t tell.
      RobC: You can tell me, I’m a blogger.
      Dave Eiland: No, I mean I’m just not sure.
      RobC: Well, can’t you take a guess?
      Dave Eiland: Well, not for another two hours.
      RobC: You can’t take a guess for another two hours?

      • RobC

        ball buster…..

        He did sign a baseball for my son.
        I told him it would go on the shelf next to Cal Ripken Jr, Bob Feller and Kevin Long
        Im not sure if thats right….Ripken and Feller are not Yankees

        lets see you take a try at my early post

  • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

    Just in case anyone is bored:

  • Accent Shallow

    The Rays signed a Czech (!) 16 year old:

    http://www.baseballthinkfactor.....with_rays/

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

      What are the odds the dans nickname him “Hondo”? I’m guessing 1000% Tampa residents lack originality.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        *fans*

        (We Daytonans don’t spell well.)

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          You going to ST at all? I’m thinking about going.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

            Yeah, I’ll make the trip over for a couple of games. I have good friends over there, so I can go whenever. I just have to get time off at work.
            Go to the minor league complex. It’s awesome.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno
  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Fucking badass. Holy Shit.

    http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/.....epcke.html

    Summary (true story, BTW): A plane crashes in the Amazon rainforest, and a seventeen year old girl is the only survivor. She has a broken colarbone and a severe concussion, but her parents were biologits so she knew about the rainforest. She found (with a BROKEN COLLARBONE and a CONCUSSION) a small creek and followed it downstream, since she knew people lived by water supplies. For ELEVEN days this girl did this, with no food or water. She waded through piranha and candiru (read the article, nasty critters) infested water when the vegetation got too thick until she was finally found and gotten aid.

    Most badass. Thing. Ever.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      C’mon TSJC! No pity post?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Tu stultus es.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Now that’s not nice.

  • chriskeo

    Just putting this out there: Android app maybe?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The developer we’re talking to would put together an app for everything. BB, iPhone, Android, etc.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        You nerds make me sick. Your crazy made up stats was one thing, but hiring super-nerd developers to be able to talk about your VORPies and XHBs and wRC Cola on your Tweetie phones is going to far.

        I don’t even have a blog. I just have a place on the internet superhighway where my columns are posted.

        Sincerely,
        Murray Chass

        • chriskeo

          Not to mention that new stat OPS…

          /Tim McCarver’d

      • whozat

        Would it be a web app, then? Or native apps for all the different platforms? I don’t know about BB, but Android apps are (essentially) written in Java, whereas iPhone apps are written in Objective C. Totally different languages.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....29281.html

    Un-believable.

    (shakes head)

    • Drew

      That’s got to be a poor attempt at a joke, right?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Unfortunately, it appears to be legit. This schmuck actually intends to get that league up and running.

        Good luck with that shit.

    • Accent Shallow

      Willing to bet a game is never played.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    TSJC just lost your faith in humanity. If you want to regain it, read this:

    http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/.....%253D23703

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      (golf clap)

  • Evilest Empire

    If I ever randomly decided to start up a blog about the Minnesota Twins, this would totally be my banner image:

    http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ep.....CDZWrkT8Mh

  • http://spicelabs.in Ankit

    are you afraid to do business?If you have something in your mind guys you must execute it. Because i saw a company called Spicelabs from India Their CEO got an Idea of developing a mobile platform for all and he has started a company for their product Mitr (mobile software)and they are working very hard.for more information you can see
    http://spicelabs.in

    So my view is to go for it don’t afraid with the result unless you know what you are doing has potential.

  • CapitalT

    Survey site isn’t working this morning.

    I also tried last night from my blackberry but had difficulty. It might be me :)

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Wake me up when it’s the 4th quarter and there’s 3 minutes left.