Piliere ranks the Yanks’ farm system middle of the pack


Frankie Piliere of AOL FanHouse released his organizational rankings today, one day after dropping his top 100 prospects on us. The Yanks came in at #15 overall, right in the middle of the pack. “The Yankees have plenty of depth,” he says. “What they don’t have right now is a great deal of impact talent behind Jesus Montero.” Hard to argue with that, I said the same thing a week ago.

The Rays top his list, and deservedly so. Their system is insane. And don’t even try the “it’s easy to have a good system when you have so many high picks from sucking so long” defense. Nine of their top ten prospects according to Baseball America were either a) drafted after the first round, or b) signing off the international market, where they were available to everyone. It’s time to stop being ignorant and start recognizing their amazing player development abilities.

Categories : Asides, Minors
  • Nick

    The question to me is can the Yanks flex their financial muscle and poach the key people in the Rays’ player development system. Is it as simple and crude as that: offer more money to the truly talented scouts and coaches who are responsible for the Rays’ amazing success in this area?

    • Accent Shallow

      Well, one area where teams have cut costs for a long time has been all non-MLB payroll and other expenses. Teams are reluctant as hell to spend lots of money on such things.

      • Ted Nelson

        Not the Reds, apparently…

    • ROBTEN

      Nothing against the Rays’ scouts/coaches, but this is probably as much of a factor in their success in player development:

      being an awful team from 1998-2008

      which led to:

      1999: 1st pick in the draft
      2000: 6th pick in the draft
      2001: 3rd pick in the draft
      2002: 2nd pick in the draft
      2003: 1st pick in the draft
      2004: 4th pick in the draft
      2005: 8th pick in the draft
      2006: 3rd pick in the draft
      2007: 1st pick in the draft
      2008: 1st pick in the draft

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        And don’t even try the “it’s easy to have a good system when you have so many high picks from sucking so long” defense. Nine of their top ten prospects according to Baseball America were either a) drafted after the first round, or b) signing off the international market, where they were available to everyone. It’s time to stop being ignorant and start recognizing their amazing player development abilities.

        Mike “Shmuck” Axisa

        • ROBTEN

          Doh!…I’ve been schmuck’d

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    Weren’t we middle of the pack at the end of the season? Considering all the young talent we dealt, I’m very happy to hear this.

    • 28 next year

      that is true but each evaluator has there own scale so there is no “official ranking” just estimate.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Considering all the young talent we dealt and promoted, I’m very happy to hear this.


      • AndrewYF

        Who did we promote from last year, really? Aceves? Robertson? Gardner? Those guys weren’t exactly the pride and joy top prospects of the organization.

  • 28 next year

    I think 15 is perfectly fine. Jesus Montero and Austin Romine provide catching options which the yanks will need as Posada is nearing the end. The only place the yanks could use options is in the outfield. THe infield is set for the foreseeable future and there is a good deal of pitching depth. Hopefully in a few years, a few lower level guys emerge and we could have options.

    • Bo

      Why be happy with 15?

      With their resources and talent why not strive for #1?

      Why settle?

  • DontChaKnow

    I know this is more for the left field discussions, but maybe the Yanks should use someone from their farm system to try to land Delmon Young for Left Field. Now that the Twins have signed Thome to be their DH, it seems like Young may be expendable.

    He doesnt have the best OBP overall, but he looks pretty good against lefties in 2009 310/321/512 and in 2008 he looked good against lefties as well 300/349/441.

    I think considering age, cost and talent he’s someone they should at least kick the tires on. I’m not sure if a ZMac gets him, but its always worth seeing what he would cost.

    • pat

      The upside is very tantalizing but he hasn’t really shown any improvement in close to three full years in the majors. I wouldn’t give them Zmac but it is definitely worth a look if he can be stolen for some spare parts. That’s pretty unlikely though.

      • Steve H

        All that and he’s a dick.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          All that and he’s a dick.

          You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    Do The Wrong Thing

    Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:39:50 -0500

    Doing the Wrong Thing

    An American soldier, serving in World War II, had just returned from several weeks of intense action on the German front lines. He had finally been granted R&R and was on a train bound for London. The train was very crowded, so the soldier walked the length of the train, looking for an empty seat. The only unoccupied seat was directly adjacent to a well dressed middle aged lady and was being used by her little dog.

    The war weary soldier asked, “Please, ma’am, may I sit in that seat?” The English woman looked down her nose at the soldier, sniffed and said, “You Americans. You are such a rude class of people. Can’t you see my Little Fifi is using that seat?”

    The soldier walked away, determined to find a place to rest, but after another” trip down to the end of the train, found himself again facing the woman with the dog. Again he asked, “Please, lady. May I sit there? I’m very tired.”

    The English woman wrinkled her nose and snorted, “You Americans! Not only are you rude, you are also arrogant. Imagine!”

    The soldier didn’t say anything else; he leaned over, picked up the little dog, tossed it out the window of the train and sat down in the empty seat. The woman shrieked and railed, and demanded that someone defend her and chastise the soldier.

    An English gentleman sitting across the aisle spoke up, “You know, sir, you Americans do seem to have a penchant for doing the wrong thing. You eat holding the fork in the wrong hand. You drive your autos on the wrong side of the road. And now, sir, you’ve thrown the wrong bitch out the window.”


    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Oh my bad, this should be on the open thread.

      Seems kind of redundant to repost it, though.

      • camilo Gerardo


  • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

    It’s just a shame that few of our big dollar, high-upside signability guys have shown much. Then again, we didn’t really begin focusing on the draft since 2006, so there may still be some time. The benefit of our overall organization is that we really don’t need a lot of impact talent. Would it help? Sure, it would provide good flexibility but it isn’t essential to our model.

    It would be great to really start seeing stuff out of Suttle, Angelini (shocking, I know), Marshall, Betances, Bleich, Higgy and to a lesser extent, D.J. Mitchell. Ajax was really the only guy drafted in the mid rounds that really established himself among that mix.

    It’s not a lack of spending, but we haven’t really hit on our high-priced signability guys.

    • pat

      Eh, a bunch of those guys got hurt this year which makes it seem a lot worse than it is. I think they really only shit the bed with Compton Chris. Angelini was very highly regarded before he was drafted, his sucktitude is straight up puzzling. Suttle put up a solid season in Charleston, Betances and Marshall were flashing some signs of dominance. Heck , DJ Mitchell had himself a fine season and Bleich was pretty good too. I know you’re not giving up on them but they’re mostly still mad young. Luckily Cash has supplemented our farm with some crazy under the radar guys like Ace and Banuelos.

  • Brian

    Try and resist commenting on this amazing CJ Henry article.

    “Instant career”!

  • Bo

    Using the words ‘amazing player development’ for the Rays is a tad strong. What good major leaguers have they developed after the first 2 rounds? Their system may be deep but player development has a ways to go.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Cvrawford, Shields, and Sonnanstine jump to mind. Wade Davis will be their fifth starter this year.

      • All Praise Be To Mo

        I’ll give you Shields, but even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then. Crawford was a 2nd rounder, Davis was the 1st pick in the 3rd round, so that’s a technicality. Sonnanstine = sucks, era last 3 years 2007-5.85, 2008- 4.38, 2009- 6.77

  • http://www.twitter.com/wahbjo01 Jordan – Cashman Has No Equal

    Even though this is going to come across as a Yankee-centric question I’m being serious in that I honestly think it’s something to toss out there…

    Red Sox are ranked #11. Yankees are ranked # 15.

    Montero, Romine, McAllister, Banuelos, DeLeon, Heathcott, Brackman, Sanchez (your choice), Melancon and Joseph


    Kelly, Westmoreland, Tazawa, Reddick, Kalish, Anderson, Bowden, Fuentes, Rizzo, and Pimentel

    Me, I take the Yankees.

    • AndrewYF

      Right, but that’s not all there is to a farm system. The Sox no doubt have a better farm at this moment. They don’t have a superstar like Montero, but they have several other 2nd-tier and 3rd-tier guys that outnumber what the Yankees have. It’s okay. The Yankees traded what most considered their number 2 and number 3 prospects, as well as a guy that could have ranked just outside their top 10. Farm system health is not the same as organizational health.

  • bottom line

    Seems to be a bit of a contradiction between Frankie’s individual and team rankings. Yanks have three of the Top 45 individual prospects. With 30 teams, that’s clearly above average (or expectations of average). They also have 4 of top 76 and if Bleich, as reported is #101, that gives them 5 in the Top 101. If they were just average they’d have three or four of Top 100. Beyond all that, none of the acknowledged “depth” at lower levels comes into play with these five, who have all competed at A or AA levels. Well, they’re Frankie’s ratings and he can do whatever he wants but there does seem to be some internal contradiction there.

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