Jan
16

Report: Committee forming to work on draft changes

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Via Bob Elliott, a committee is being formed to work on changes to the amateur draft, most notably making it world-wide and instituting a slotting system. “This time it has a chance,” said Elliott’s source, a scouting director.

The current CBA expires after 2011, and I have a hard time believing they’ll open it up to implement these changes before then. The 2010 draft is now less than six months away, and it just doesn’t seem reasonable that the two sides could get away with making any changes before then without giving the club’s plenty of notice. Then again, what do I know.

Categories : Asides, Draft

70 Comments»

  1. Mike bk says:

    so that would mean the yanks and other big clubs if they are going to use their monetary advantage in IFA and the draft had better do it this year before any changes were to happen.

    • Brian Ewart says:

      The problem is that you can’t sign 1,000 dominican players just because… you need to have room for them in the system, and they have to have some talent.

      • Mike bk says:

        im not saying that. what i am saying is that if there are 3-4 higher priced guys they like but would normally pick the one they like best (Sanchez) maybe this year they sign 2 or 3 instead since it seems the IFA budget will be a non-issue if they are melded into the draft process.

  2. ultimate913 says:

    Excuse my ignorance but if something like this would be approved, would any team be able to sign IFA’s? Or would there not just be any IFA’s anymore and they are all just forced to enter the draft?

    • Mike Axisa says:

      No more IFA’s, everyone’s in the draft.

      • ultimate913 says:

        Having a team get the # 1 overall pick in the International draft, regular draft and rule 5 pick would really help that team out for the future.

        • ledavidisrael says:

          The international draft would be the regular draft.
          AKA
          WORLD DRAFT

        • JMK aka The Overshare's Garden Apartment Complex says:

          Especially if they’re slotted. Unfortunately, the team that picks 1st is generally there because of organizational ineptitude, not because of money.

          For what it’s worth, some of the lower-payroll teams are the ones who toss the most on the draft. The teams who spent the least in ’09 were the Mets, Cubs, Rangers, Phillies and Rays.

          http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1763

          As far as IFA goes, again, it’s not like the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, Sox, Mets, Phillies and Angels are signing all of the players. Teams like the Reds, Pirates, Brewers, and Marlins are more than happy to shell out 7-figure bonuses on IFA.

          Who does this benefit?

          • Chris says:

            Just glanced at the list and I’m already questioning it. The Nats are listed 1st with a total spending of just under $11M. Considering Strasburg is guaranteed roughly $15M in his contract, I don’t see how that number can be correct.

            • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

              Everyone else took a -$4 million just for the chance to play with him.

              Seriously, I think it only counts his signing bonus and everyone else’s too.

  3. Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

    Once again it seems the owners need protection from themselves, or the union wants to design rules about people not in their union.

  4. Jake H says:

    No way there is a world wide draft. Why would other countries would want this is beyond me. They make more money from the current system and they could tell the MLB that they won’t let them come into the countries.

    Also this will make more kids go to college and have college coaches blow kill their futures by abusing them. Coaches have one thing on their mind and that is winning games not developing kids and improving their draft status.

    • Zack says:

      Do other countries have a choice?
      Hockey and basketball have world wide drafts, did NBA/NHL contact Russia/Ukraine/China and get their permission?

      (Serious question)

      • Jake H says:

        They could bar teams from setting up facilities, make teams jump through hoops to get into the country and do things to have MLB stay out. I’m sure there are things the country could do to make it harder for the MLB to come into the country. Their country is losing money since kids would be drafted 2 years later and wouldn’t have that income stream to come in.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      If they’re going to take this step, with slotting and a world wide setup, they should make players declare for the draft. So this way the teams know ahead of time who’s in play.

      • Jake H says:

        Why would IFA want this thou? They would make the age of signing 18 instead of 16. They are losing money by doing this.

        • Zack says:

          Q: Why would any prospect want this system?
          A: They dont. The league wants it, it gives an equal opportunity for the worst teams to get the best amateur talent.

          • Jake H says:

            Right now the system gives every team the opportunity to get great talent. You have to pay for it. Out of the top 15 spenders on the draft from 06 through 08 there are 3 teams who you would say is a large market team. The Yankees, Red Sox and Tigers. If you want to put Atlanta in there then it’s 4.

            • Zack says:

              It’s not equal opportunity, you can think that it is but I dont agree. Porcello would not be on the Tigers if it was; prospects would not drop rounds because of their asking price.

              • Jake H says:

                Any team can spend whatever amount they want on a guy. If teams don’t think the value is worth the $$ that is up to them. So the pirates signed Moskos for 2.475 million, Porcello’s signing bonus was 3.58 million. Moskos before this year hadn’t gotten higher than High A. Projects as a reliver now. Wouldn’t 1.1 million be worth it?

                All the new system is going to do is make the mistakes of clubs not cost as much. That is it. Teams will just pocket more money, that is it. Kids will go to college and while I loved my college years I’ve talked to guys who were told things by coaches that never came to be. They had a bad season and the coach has to win games so he only would go with guys he can trust, not develop talent.

                • Zack says:

                  “Wouldn’t 1.1 million be worth it?”
                  Except teams have budgets and are not on equal levels. A fair/equal system means the worst teams drafting the best amateur talent- regardless of bonus money.

                  That doesnt happen. If it did, you wouldnt hear “[Player X] dropped to [Team X] because there were signability concerns.” That does not happen, therefore it is not a fair system.

                • Jake H says:

                  Life isn’t fair. If you want a fair system then you want a salary floor and a cap to level out talent. That is the only fair thing to do. The floor and the ceiling should be about 10 million apart.

                  Those low revenue teams are getting between 50 and 70 million before they are selling a ticket. They have the money if they want to spend it. Also if they wanted to take money from other players to pay for that 1.1 million that would be fine. They could have taken guys in other rounds that they knew for sure wouldn’t ask for more then slot money.

                • Zack says:

                  “They could have taken guys in other rounds that they knew for sure wouldn’t ask for more then slot money.”

                  Yes, so you dont take the best talent later on because you are forced to overpay for the good talent in the beginning.

                  I agree with your point that teams need to spend more- but that still does not make the system fair or equal.

                • Jake H says:

                  I think that every team has a chance to get good talent. Some of the teams that spent the least amount last year on the draft were the Mets, Phillies, Rangers and Cubs. I would say 3 large market teams and a higher medium market team. The top 10 spenders on last years draft were, the Nats, M’s, tigers, padres, dbacks, pirates, rockies,angels, A’s, brewers. 2 large market teams, the rest are mid to lower market teams.

                  But also you have to have a good front office and scouts to find the talent that you draft regardless of the amount you spend. Right now some teams are firing their scouts and are just going off the MLB scouting department.

                  Once guys are drafted even if you get elite talent you have to develop it. If you don’t do that all the sytem is doing is making your failures cost less.

                • Zack says:

                  “I think that every team has a chance to get good talent.”

                  Again, that is NOT the objective. The objective is to have the worst teams get the best talent available when it’s their turn to pick.

                  You can argue there is no clear best talent at certain rounds-and thats fair, but if its the 5th round and a team is picking a guy whos projected by everyone as a 10th rounder then its not about scouting, its about money.

                • Jake H says:

                  Being bad you get to pick every round before the better teams. You get first crack at talent and really if a team doesn’t pick it they might be saying it’s because of signability but it could be their scouts don’t like that player. Money isn’t the only reason that guys fall.

                  The twins aren’t big spenders on the draft yet for most of the decade their farm system ranked high. It’s because they spend on players that they think will do the team best.

                  Why aren’t teams like the Rays? They didn’t shy away from taking elite talent and they have built a great team. The teams that suck year in and year out are because they are run terribly. If they choose to not spend that is their right just like it’s the right of the Royals to spend a ton of money.

                  The system lets the clubs spend how much they want and if they have to go in the red a little for elite talent they should. If they don’t want to that is on them. They have 30 million each year from MLB’s central fund. Keep 10 million for the draft, if you don’t spend that put it somewhere else after the draft on getting a guy at the break or signing a player to an extension.

                • Zack says:

                  “if a team doesn’t pick it they might be saying it’s because of signability but it could be their scouts don’t like that player”

                  Again, I’ve already said what I had to say about scouting and stuff. I understand guys fall due to character concerns and injuries, no system will fix that and each team has its right to pass on those guys.

                  The point of the hard slotting is to eliminate a variable that puts a team at a disadvantage; you can say teams dont spend enough or whatever, fine let them trade picks then. But if you’re going to continue to try and act like the current system is fair then there is no point of continuing.

                • Jake H says:

                  I actually think this will hurt small market teams. All it’s going to do is make their errors in drafting guys less expensive errors. That is it.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

        This is your worst nightmare, Axisa. For all the fun you have working towards Rule V Draft, you will your joy on this.

  5. ledavidisrael says:

    Sucks for darvish

    • ledavidisrael says:

      and his team I suppose…

      • IRememberCelerinoSanchez says:

        I assume it wouldn’t impact Japanese players already signed to Japanese teams. Since these players wouldn’t be unaffiliated (like current IFAs, high school kids, and draftable college players), they wouldn’t be subject to the draft. If the Japanese team has the player’s rights, it could still post him (like what happened to Dice-K). This process would be unaffected.

        Even guys like Matsui who play out their Japanese contracts to free agency would not, I assume, be affected. They would probably be treated the same as MLB free agents. But, again, even if they weren’t, a draft wouldn’t affect players under contract to Japanese teams (like Darvish).

  6. Zack says:

    But going off of Jake H’s point for IFA; the world wide draft screws them if there is no hard-slotting system. Kids in HS/college have the leverage to go back to school and rebuild their stock if a team low-balls them; what leverage does a kid from the DR have? And I realize not every prospect has the financial status of Gerrit Cole, but VERY few US prospects are share the financial status of prospects from the DR and other countries.

    • ledavidisrael says:

      Why can’t a kid from the DR get his GED? and apply to a american university? It wouldn’t be hard to get a college program to try to work give you a ride if you were just drafted by a major league team. Right?

      Also what about indy leagues? what about mexico? what about japan?
      They can go make a name for them selves their.

      • Zack says:

        Kids from poor countries get signed at 16, some lie about their age with fake birth certificates so it shows them as 16 not 18. These kids are out on the field trying to get their families out of bad situations- you think they suddenly will have the education to goto college in US? I’m not making fun of them, it’s just the situation they’re in.
        Like I said previously- their families do not have the ability to wait around for 3 years for their son to goto college and then get paid, they’re going to accept whatever bonus they’re offered if there is no hard slotting system.

        how much do indy/mexico leagues pay? how many IFA go to japan?

  7. ledavidisrael says:

    Does this mean the type A free agents are worth much more?

    The second round would be much more valuable with so much more talent out their.

    • ledavidisrael says:

      Does this mean Type A free agents would be worth much more?

      I think because the second round picks will be worth so much more with the deeper pools of talent.

      • AndrewYF says:

        They’re likely going to get rid of free agent compensation. It’s broken, and it vastly decreases the value of free agents.

  8. crawdaddie says:

    You won’t have to worry about type A free agents as compensation picks will be eliminated in order to get union approval. I still have a hard time thinking the union will allow slotting.

    • Jake H says:

      I think the union will fight slotting but technically prospects who aren’t drafted and signed contracts aren’t a part of the union.

      • IRememberCelerinoSanchez says:

        The players may not be part of the union, but it doesn’t mean that incoming players aren’t covered by the CBA. The NBA union caved to a slotting system, but the NFLPA (up to now) has not, really, since while there is an allocation pool, it’s really high, especially for top picks (see, for example, JaMarcus Russell).

        Personally, I think that overpaying unproven talent is bad for the player body as a whole, so I support the NBAPA position. But the MLBPA is so strong, I’m not sure it would roll over on the issue so easily.

        • Zack says:

          The situations are completely different in my eyes.

          NFL top picks become the HIGHEST paid guys at their position. Jake Long had the biggest contract for a LT ever- Upshaw and the union didnt want a limit because they felt that rookie contracts were helping veterans get paid more.

          Whatever money propsects get in MLB has no impact (positive or negative) on what MLB veterans receive.

          • IRememberCelerinoSanchez says:

            You are right that the NFL system is just stupid, with top picks getting paid all that money before they’ve done anything, while even a Strassburg deal is less than what Randy Wolf got this off-season.

            But it’s an exaggeration to say rookie salaries have no impact. First of all, every salary has an impact in two ways: 1) It’s that much less a team can spend (since their resources are finite), and 2) It helps set the market, even if only a little.

            I’m not saying I oppose a world draft or anything like that. The point I was addressing was Jake’s remark about it not being union business because the players involved aren’t members yet.

            • Zack says:

              I dont get how Strasburgh help set a market for ML players. A player in arbitration isnt brining up Strasburgh, they have to bring up guys with comparible numbers with comparible service time. And a FA isnt going to point to Strasburgh’s contract IMO.

              • IRememberCelerinoSanchez says:

                Maybe not directly, but Strassburgh is still a pitcher making X dollars per season, which contributes to the overall curve of MLB pitcher salaries. In the small picture, I agree with you. In the big picture, I think that everything affects everything. There is a finite number of dollars in the system, so distributing any one dollar affects how the rest of the dollars are distributed.

                • Zack says:

                  I see what you’re saying; and probably right if you break it all the way down to how teams allocate all of their budgets.

  9. VO says:

    This would really help the Yankees I think. Players that have enough potential to be an early-mid first round pick could now drop to the Yankees because of the abundance of talent.

    • Zack says:

      And not being able to sign IFAs balances out that gain.

      • IRememberCelerinoSanchez says:

        Exactly. On the whole, this is a positive for the small-market teams and a negative for the big-market teams.

      • VO says:

        That’s also true but I think just think that it’s better because the smaller market teams won’t have the ability to say Draft Bryce Harper, then go out and sign Yu Darvish the same year.

        • whozat says:

          The smaller market team doesn’t have that ability anyway.

          • VO says:

            That’s not necessarily true many teams have different budgets for the draft and IFA signings.

            • Zack says:

              Yeah but spending a few million on a guy like Ynoa is different than posting 50m for the rights to give DiceK a 50m contract.

              • VO says:

                Also true, I’m not saying necessarily this is bad for smaller market teams. In the end I think it will make it more balanced. But in my opinion I think that the smaller market teams had the advantage for getting players because they choose high in the draft and have the ability to sign IFA players.

                • Zack says:

                  Well I think we need to seperate IFAs with guys like DiceK/Darvish/etc.

                  Do small market teams have ability to draft in the top 10 then sign IFA with bonuses from 2-4m? Yes.
                  Do small market teams have the ability to draft in the top 10 then spend 60-100m on an established foreign pitcher? No.

  10. V says:

    100%, absolutely, totally, opposed. I’m with Keith Law – get rid of the draft. Let teams sign amateur players to however much they want.

  11. Andrew says:

    am i the only one getting a pic of a woman in her underwear magically losing about 50 pounds on the main page? its really gross.

  12. Accent Shallow says:

    This is an awful idea, unless MLB is going to significantly increase the amount of money it puts into youth baseball programs worldwide. Look at what happened to Puerto Rico after the draft took effect there . . . a talent crash, because teams are no longer training kids.

  13. [...] The committee will look into making the draft worldwide and instituting a slotting system.  Mike Axisa of River Ave. Blues doesn’t see any changes being made until after 2011, when the collective bargaining agreement [...]

  14. [...] The committee will look into making the draft worldwide and instituting a slotting system.  Mike Axisa of River Ave. Blues doesn't see any changes being made until after 2011, when the collective bargaining agreement [...]

  15. David M. says:

    One draft annually. College, high school, and internationals all in the same hat. Three separate drafts is giving the shitty teams the ability to skim the cream off of everything.

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