Comments on: The best fastball, curveball, slider, cutter, and changeup on the Yankees http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:17:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: brad http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-1765217 brad Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:03:58 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-1765217 WATS GOOOD niggas WATS GOOOD niggas

]]> By: Mike R http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758810 Mike R Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:43:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758810 I don't know how many drugs you'd have to take to give Ben Sheets 10 Million guaranteed with incentives. What a joke, I'm sorry I'd give that guy a base of 5 million guaranteed with incentives, anyone who even tries to make a case that he's better than Pettite should be paid no attention, not to mention I'm pretty sure Pettite has less guaranteed money. A team especially like the A's signing Sheets just makes me laugh, the guy did nothing in 2009 because of injury, sure he impressed people in a workout, but that doesn't guarantee anything whatsoever. Good luck to the A's, but signing Sheets to 10 million isn't taking a gamble, it isn't a good sign, it's essentially a money sink for a pitcher who is clearly riddled with injuries and reminds me of our good buddy Carl Pavano. I don’t know how many drugs you’d have to take to give Ben Sheets 10 Million guaranteed with incentives. What a joke, I’m sorry I’d give that guy a base of 5 million guaranteed with incentives, anyone who even tries to make a case that he’s better than Pettite should be paid no attention, not to mention I’m pretty sure Pettite has less guaranteed money. A team especially like the A’s signing Sheets just makes me laugh, the guy did nothing in 2009 because of injury, sure he impressed people in a workout, but that doesn’t guarantee anything whatsoever. Good luck to the A’s, but signing Sheets to 10 million isn’t taking a gamble, it isn’t a good sign, it’s essentially a money sink for a pitcher who is clearly riddled with injuries and reminds me of our good buddy Carl Pavano.

]]> By: Tom Zig http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758726 Tom Zig Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:22:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758726 True or false: The gyroball is just a meme. It never is actually thrown because it would really just turn into a gopher ball. True or false:

The gyroball is just a meme. It never is actually thrown because it would really just turn into a gopher ball.

]]> By: MJ http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758656 MJ Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:20:32 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758656 I've wondered about that regarding pitch linear weight values, specifically with respect to Trevor Hoffman's fastball/changeup. The changeup is good but probably moreso because of how much it fools hitters relative to his average fastball. I guess it's an issue of pitchability, no? I’ve wondered about that regarding pitch linear weight values, specifically with respect to Trevor Hoffman’s fastball/changeup. The changeup is good but probably moreso because of how much it fools hitters relative to his average fastball.

I guess it’s an issue of pitchability, no?

]]> By: pete http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758636 pete Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:00:15 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758636 I think a non-rate version of pitch linear weights would be much more useful. Otherwise, it's less indicative of how good of a pitch it is an more indicative of how effective a pitcher's other pitches are. A pitcher with 3 or 4 quality pitches will have abnormally high rates on each on account of his ability to keep hitters off balance. At the same time, though, a pitcher with a really crappy fastball like joba's, will have success with the slider not because hitters are "geared up" for the fastball, but simply because they know that A) the fastball sucks, and B) it's almost certainly going to come a couple times in every at-bat. If you know you can hit a guy's fastball, you're not going to think much about his slider, because there's almost no chance that you don't get a fastball to hit before you strike out on sliders. I think a non-rate version of pitch linear weights would be much more useful. Otherwise, it’s less indicative of how good of a pitch it is an more indicative of how effective a pitcher’s other pitches are. A pitcher with 3 or 4 quality pitches will have abnormally high rates on each on account of his ability to keep hitters off balance. At the same time, though, a pitcher with a really crappy fastball like joba’s, will have success with the slider not because hitters are “geared up” for the fastball, but simply because they know that A) the fastball sucks, and B) it’s almost certainly going to come a couple times in every at-bat. If you know you can hit a guy’s fastball, you’re not going to think much about his slider, because there’s almost no chance that you don’t get a fastball to hit before you strike out on sliders.

]]> By: pete http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758630 pete Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:55:57 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758630 no not stuck up. I can't read the comments there now, not just because so many of them suck to begin with, but they are chronically incapable of keeping them on-topic. I hate reading cano-pedroia fielding debates (dumb to begin with) on a post about LF options. no not stuck up. I can’t read the comments there now, not just because so many of them suck to begin with, but they are chronically incapable of keeping them on-topic. I hate reading cano-pedroia fielding debates (dumb to begin with) on a post about LF options.

]]> By: MJ http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758598 MJ Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:32:28 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758598 I find it interesting to note that back in 2007, Wang's slider was worth 2.27 runs above average/100 pitches. He threw the slider 16.2% of the time so he would've qualified for this study. Given how Greinke led this category at 2.90 last year and Joba led the team with a 1.29, it makes you appreciate how, once upon a time, Wang was a pretty good pitcher. I find it interesting to note that back in 2007, Wang’s slider was worth 2.27 runs above average/100 pitches. He threw the slider 16.2% of the time so he would’ve qualified for this study.

Given how Greinke led this category at 2.90 last year and Joba led the team with a 1.29, it makes you appreciate how, once upon a time, Wang was a pretty good pitcher.

]]> By: T-Dubs http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758592 T-Dubs Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:26:54 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758592 my bad. Ben/Mike/Joe YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!11!111!1 my bad. Ben/Mike/Joe YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST!11!111!1

]]> By: Andy in Sunny Daytona http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758591 Andy in Sunny Daytona Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:25:43 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758591 A Lohudian, no doubt. /stuck up'd A Lohudian, no doubt.

/stuck up’d

]]> By: pat http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/the-best-fastball-curveball-slider-cutter-and-changeup-on-the-yankees-22950/#comment-758590 pat Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:25:00 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=22950#comment-758590 Where isn't Melvin? Where isn’t Melvin?

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