Jan
08

Who wants a fringy starter?

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The Yankees have reached the point this winter where they’re searching for one last piece. Not a major piece but rather a complementary one, an outfielder who can provide an alternative, if need be, to Brett Gardner. With just 41 days left until pitchers and catchers, the Yankees can take their time and let the market develop — and perhaps let Johnny Damon‘s asking price fall into their range. But, until then, we’ll continue to speculate.

For the most part we’ve focused on free agent acquisitions, mainly because we’ve discussed trade options and haven’t found much. But things change as Spring Training nears. The Yankees acquired Javy Vazquez, and now might trade one of their pitchers. Does that open up any new possibilities?

While it’s possible that the Yankees could trade Sergio Mitre or Chad Gaudin to a second-tier team for outfield fodder, but if they want to do so they’ll have to be patient. A number of starting pitchers remain on the free agent market — including Jarrod Washburn, Vicente Padilla, Jon Garland, and Doug Davis — who are similar to the Yankees’ duo. As we near Spring Training and their prices come down, they’ll begin to fill out team’s rotations. Unless a number of them continue holding out for more money, Gaudin and Mitre will probably remain fallback options.

The one scenario where the Yankees could unload Mitre is in a salary dump. The problem there lies in finding a team that matches up. How many teams would trade a moderately priced outfielder for Mitre? What if they added a fringy prospect to go along with the fringy starter? When discussing plans for the outfield, Brian Cashman said, “It might not just be a free agent. It could Come via trade.” Unless the Yankees plan to deal prospects and not one of their surplus pitchers, I’m not sure there’s an obvious match.

As the Yankees continue to wait, we’ll continue to wonder. From everything Cashman has said lately, the team does seek a right-handed outfield bat. Tired as the subject has gotten, it’s the last item left on the team’s agenda. They’re taking their time, as they should. It’s best at this point to wait for the right player, not the easiest to acquire.

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  • Rose

    While it’s possible that the Yankees could trade Sergio Mitre or Chad Gaudin to a second-tier team for outfield fodder, but if they want to do so they’ll have to be patient.

    “You may have been a good smuggler, but now you’re bantha fodder…” – Joba Jabba the Hut

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    The problem there lies in finding a team that matches up. How many teams would trade a moderately priced outfielder for Mitre? What if they added a fringy prospect to go along with the fringy starter?

    Mitre and Wordekemper for Justin Upton.

    • http://thebronxbloggers.wordpress.com Bronx Blogger

      Hahaha could you imagine?

    • brooklyn ed

      Mitre and Mcallister for Willingham.

      oh yeah I went there, lol.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I don’t like where you went.

      • Steve H

        Please no.

    • vin

      Maybe if they threw in IPK.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I like the cut of this man’s jib.

  • Zack

    “The one scenario where the Yankees could unload Mitre is in a salary dump”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....elder.html
    Royals are about to sign Podsednik so DeJesus is the first to come to my mind; although his contract isnt expensive, and I doubt they’d take Mitre and a fringy prospect, maybe they should just stop signing bad players?

    • Rose

      You would think if they were going to do that…they would have taken a Gardner and Mitre (and whoever else) for DeJesus deal before keeping him AND signing Brett Gardner Scott Podsednik for more money…

      • Zack

        True; unless they dont like Gardner?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I’m sure they’d take Mitre for Jose Guillen, straight up. But we’re not that dumb.

      • A.D.

        Even the Mets didn’t go for the Guillen salary dump…so no one might be that dumb

  • Moshe Mandel

    I suggested Gaudin to the Dodgers for one of their myriad late inning relievers. They need a starter, and Gaudin is a solid bet in the NL and would be cheaper than the players on the FA market. I would trade Gaudin for a guy like Belisario, who is expendable to the Dodgers due to Broxton, Kuo, SHerrill, and Troncoso.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I like that too. We were sort of heading the same direction, but you traded the better fringy starter for the better reward.

    • Ed

      The problem with that is Belisario got the “Joe Torre’s favorite reliever” award last year. The guy had a disgusting number of appearances in the first half last year, then missed time with an elbow ligament injury. Despite missing a month, he still had 70.2 IP in 69 appearances, which is on the high side for a reliever.

      I’d put high odds on Belisario needing Tommy John surgery in the near future.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I bet Proven Veteran™ George Sherrill has replaced Belisario as Joe’s favorite reliever.

        • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

          He would be but Sherrill throws with his left arm and can therefore only be used against people who bat lefty.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Your logic is impenetrable. I bow to your mastery of baseball stratagems.

            Sincerely,
            Moe Torry (who gets money)

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    (thinks)

    How about trading Sergio Mitre to the Dodgers for the minor league rights to Jaime Hoffmann? Think about it…

    I looked at the Dodgers 40 man roster: I count only six actual starting pitchers on it. Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, McDonald, Stults, and Haeger. They could probably use the depth of another fringy starter, which explains why they’ve been sniffing around Garland and Davis. And that park is one where Mitre could actually have some decent success. Mitre is probably on par with Garland/Davis in terms of what you can actually expect, maybe a slight hairtick underneath them, but he’s only going to cost the Dodgers 1yr/850k.

    • brooklyn ed

      +1

      I think the dodgers will ask for more for hoffman’s rights though.

      • Steve H

        I can see that working though, because the Yankees can easily say ok, no deal, we’ll just keep Hoffman. If they sign a Reed Johnson type, they can easily keep Hoffman as their #5 OF.

      • A.D.

        The Dodgers would want more for Hoffmann’s rights? or the Yanks would want more for Mitre/Gaudin?

        For the Yanks could be true

        For the Dodgers they should take it, likely they lose Hoffmann’s rights and get nothing, so they might as well get something.

    • adayoff

      Cashman should also find out who owns the lease on Hoffmann’s car and buy that too.

  • Reggie C.

    So can it be agreed that Nady signing with the Yankees for a 1-year scenario is far-fetched considering Nady likely wants to accrue 500 at-bats in an effort to boost his market value for one more run at free agency. Some team is going to find a starting spot for Nady, and that’s probably going to be enough to land him.

    Not sure if Cash is continuing to play hardball with JD by crafting the remaining team needs as “RHH.” Reed Johnson and Hairston appear the best fits.

  • Bucksky619

    I could easily see Juan Miranda get traded. He’s not going to play first base with the Yankees in the foreseeable future so if a team needs a first baseman they may as well move him.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Problem is, there’s not that many teams that still need a first baseman, and there’s still Adam LaRoche, Russell Branyan, Carlos Delgado, Ryan Garko, Mike Jacobs, and Kevin Millar still on the market. All of whom cost more than Miranda in raw salary, but also probably outhit him and won’t cost a prospect.

      I still don’t think there’s much of a market for him, but it’s not impossible, no.

    • AeroFANatic

      Miranda will stay at Triple A for depth, in-case Johnson gets hurt. I’d then not be shocked to see Miranda moved AFTER this season, as DH will be clogged for the forseeable future (Posada, Jeter, etc)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        as DH will be clogged for the forseeable future (Posada, Jeter, etc)

        Jeter wouldn’t DH, he’d either stay at SS or move to the outfield.

        And Posada’s gone after 2011.

  • Will

    Can someone tell me why we are not expressing interest in Jermayne Dye (or any other team, for that matter)? The guy is consistent every year, and I’m sure could play left field if asked. He’d provide a nice right handed bat in the lineup. Is he asking to much? I’m just not sure why he hasn’t been mentioned.

    • Rose

      He’s worse than Damon in the field and might be asking for similar money. You might as well pay for Damon who’s skills are more desirable than Dye’s.

    • Reggie C.

      We’re actually not sure he can play LF competently. Dye remains a steady, productive bat, but since the Dh role has been addressed with Nick Johnson, there’s no reason to seek a drop off in OF defensive value when there are far superior defensive players who can actually hit decently still on the market.

      • Steve H

        We’re sure he can’t play RF competently, so we can pretty much assume LF will be a disaster too, especially in YSIII.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Jermaine Dye is a DH.

      • Tom Zig

        You hit the nail on the head

  • SM

    The yanks have the advantage to be able to kick in Money as well.
    I wonder if Elijah Dukes could be had. Both Gaudin and Mitre project about the same as Marquis so maybe it would have been better to ask before they signed him.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Both Gaudin and Mitre project about the same as Marquis so maybe it would have been better to ask before they signed him.

      2009, IP and ERA+
      Jason Marquis – 216.0, 113+
      Chad Gaudin – 147.1, 83+
      Sergio Mitre – 51.2, 63+

      Jason Marquis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chad Gaudin >>>>> Sergio Mitre

      • Chris

        Mitre was less than a year removed from TJ surgery when he came back, so it’s reasonable to expect some improvement next year. Also, Marquis was pitching in the same league where Brad Penny had a 2.59 ERA.

        • Steve H

          Both Gaudin and Mitre have pitched in the NL and have not pitched nearly as well as Marquis.

          Gaudin-72 ERA+ in the NL
          Mitre- 81 ERA+ in the NL
          Marquis- 99 ERA+ in the NL, and 105 in the past 3 years.

          Jason Marquis is not a very good pitcher, but it is delusional to consider him on par with Gaudin and Mitre

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Both good points.

          I still don’t see how those two things equal up to Mitre closing a 40 point gap in ERA+, though. And, Marquis moving from the Rockies to the Nationals isn’t changing leagues, he’s still pitching in the same league where Brad Penny had a 2.59 ERA.

          • SM

            Lets go to some projections
            Player/2010 James FIP/2010 CHONE FIP

            Marquis/4.7/4.46
            Mitre/4.39/4.44
            Gaudin/4.24/4.58

            Why would you use ERA+ to predict future performance? Possible that Marquis *may* have some more value as he could be likely to give you more innings.

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  • Steve H

    Would the A’s have any interest in either of these guys in a swap for Scott Hairston, who would be a perfect fit imo. They have a glut of OF’s, we might have to throw in something if it’s Mitre, but how would they look at a Gaudin-Hairston swap?

    • Rose

      Hairston’s a free agent…

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Scott, not Jerry.

        The A’s have Scott under contract.

        • Rose

          Ahh my mistake…skimming too quickly there.

        • Tom Zig

          Let’s get both!

  • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

    The Yankees have 38 players on the 40 man roster, so they definitely have room to maneuver. Mitre and Edwar are, to me, empty roster spots.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      The Yankee FO probably shares your view on Edwar. I think Mitre is held in slightly higher esteem, though.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Probably so.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          And, to avoid any ambiguity, the Yankees currently have 38 men on the 40 man roster, INCLUDING both Mitre and Edwar (and all our recent additions this offseason). We can add two players even without DFAing Mitre and Edwar.

          • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=nf Andy in Sunny Daytona

            Sorry, I didn’t make myself very clear there. With the 38 man roster, I still feel like Damon’s return is going to happen.

          • Steve H

            Ehhh, they have 37 men on the 40 man roster plus 1 Nick Swisher.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              True story:

              The other 29 teams in the MLB complained that we were violating the 40-man rules by not leaving an extra space open, since Nick Swisher technically counts as two men.

              The compromise we hammered out with Bud Selig was that Swisher was to intentionally make a few errors in RF and on the basepaths to even things out a bit and decrease our massive roster permutation advantage.

  • A.D.

    who are similar to the Yankees’ duo.

    Personally (money aside) I’d take those 4 over Gaudin or Mitre. That said they will likely make more money.

    Potentially something with one of the starters & Miranda to the Giants, though given they could use an OF not really sure what would be had in return.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Well, leaving all money/contractual concerns out of it, and just ranking them on pure talent/ability level, I’d rank their current desirability at:

      1. Gaudin (27yo, career 94+)
      (gap)
      2. Padilla (32yo, career 100+)
      3. Washburn (35yo, career 105+)
      (gap)
      4. Davis (34 yo, career 106+)
      5. Garland (30 yo, career 100+)
      (gap)
      6. Mitre (29yo, career 78+)

      • Am I the only Kevin?

        For a number 6 or 7 starter, though, wouldn’t having MiL options be a big plus? That roster flexibility plus the promise of youth would to some extent counterbalance the slight performance benefits that the other FAs offer. Throw in a little optimism regarding expecting a young guy to improve, and I can see how a club barren at the AAA level would see Guadin and Mitre as attractive rotation insurance.

        The Yanks, on the other hand, have a good number of back end starters on the 40 man, so I can see one being moved for Phil Coke-esque bullpen arm.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          None of those 6 pitchers have minor league options left.

  • stu

    Jerry Hairston is a f/a, Scott is the 5th of in OAK. I’ve been wondering myself why we never hear his name. He seems like a younger/faster/more talented version of Marcus Thames
    And it seems as if oak is not sold inn based upon their moves to date

  • JFH

    a mitre salary is only 850K. hardly enough to make a real dent in the supposed budget if the f.o. trades him.

  • mryankee

    I said this the other day and over the TYU I had some backup. Rocco Baldelli as a low cost maybe 500.000-1 mill contract as your right handed left fielder. Incentive laden deal might work as well.

    • Steve H

      Are we going to trade Mitre or Gaudin for him?

      • mryankee

        Thats the beauty part do not have to. Baldelli is a fa.

        • Steve H

          Exactly. So your post (again) is completely off topic.

        • Tom Zig

          Well considering we want someone who can play the field and do it with some frequency…Rocco Baldelli should not be considered.

  • George

    Not a big fan of Mitre last year. But – You NEVER have enough pitching. If he could pass waivers, and go to AAA to work on being a better pitcher, Gaudin as #5, Joba and Hughes to setup Mo. Then bring back Damon.

    • Steve H

      Gaudin as #5 with Joba and Hughes in the pen? Not in a million years.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        George likes his chicken spicy.

  • Bo

    If cashmna gets anything of value for Mitre than you can really start calling him a great GM.

  • Mo

    Trade targets:
    Conor Jackson
    Rajai Davis
    Chase Headly
    David DeJesus
    Josh WIllingham
    Ryan Ludwick
    Cory Hart
    any other suggestions?
    all can be had for various cost in contracts and/or prospects. Cashman start working the phones!

    • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com Joltin’ Joe

      “There was a bug in the system that kept sending him a paycheck even though he was laid off.”

      This is what they’ll be saying about Omar Minaya in due time

  • adayoff

    I wonder what it would take to get Brad Hawpe from the Rockies. He is a free agent outfielder after the 2010 season, with a club option of $10M.

    Neither Mitre nor Gaudin would get this done. Maybe some combination like Zach McAlister and Brett Gardner?

    Have the Yankees ever done business with the Rockies?

    • adayoff

      As I see it, if you are looking to supplant Brett Gardner, as opposed to backing him up, then a LHH becomes a viable choice.

    • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com Joltin’ Joe

      Hawpe is a good hitter but has consistently ranked amongst the bottom dwellers in terms of fielding range and runs saved.