Jan
08

Who wants a fringy starter?

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The Yankees have reached the point this winter where they’re searching for one last piece. Not a major piece but rather a complementary one, an outfielder who can provide an alternative, if need be, to Brett Gardner. With just 41 days left until pitchers and catchers, the Yankees can take their time and let the market develop — and perhaps let Johnny Damon‘s asking price fall into their range. But, until then, we’ll continue to speculate.

For the most part we’ve focused on free agent acquisitions, mainly because we’ve discussed trade options and haven’t found much. But things change as Spring Training nears. The Yankees acquired Javy Vazquez, and now might trade one of their pitchers. Does that open up any new possibilities?

While it’s possible that the Yankees could trade Sergio Mitre or Chad Gaudin to a second-tier team for outfield fodder, but if they want to do so they’ll have to be patient. A number of starting pitchers remain on the free agent market — including Jarrod Washburn, Vicente Padilla, Jon Garland, and Doug Davis — who are similar to the Yankees’ duo. As we near Spring Training and their prices come down, they’ll begin to fill out team’s rotations. Unless a number of them continue holding out for more money, Gaudin and Mitre will probably remain fallback options.

The one scenario where the Yankees could unload Mitre is in a salary dump. The problem there lies in finding a team that matches up. How many teams would trade a moderately priced outfielder for Mitre? What if they added a fringy prospect to go along with the fringy starter? When discussing plans for the outfield, Brian Cashman said, “It might not just be a free agent. It could Come via trade.” Unless the Yankees plan to deal prospects and not one of their surplus pitchers, I’m not sure there’s an obvious match.

As the Yankees continue to wait, we’ll continue to wonder. From everything Cashman has said lately, the team does seek a right-handed outfield bat. Tired as the subject has gotten, it’s the last item left on the team’s agenda. They’re taking their time, as they should. It’s best at this point to wait for the right player, not the easiest to acquire.

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74 Comments»

  1. Rose says:

    While it’s possible that the Yankees could trade Sergio Mitre or Chad Gaudin to a second-tier team for outfield fodder, but if they want to do so they’ll have to be patient.

    “You may have been a good smuggler, but now you’re bantha fodder…” – Joba Jabba the Hut

  2. The problem there lies in finding a team that matches up. How many teams would trade a moderately priced outfielder for Mitre? What if they added a fringy prospect to go along with the fringy starter?

    Mitre and Wordekemper for Justin Upton.

  3. Zack says:

    “The one scenario where the Yankees could unload Mitre is in a salary dump”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....elder.html
    Royals are about to sign Podsednik so DeJesus is the first to come to my mind; although his contract isnt expensive, and I doubt they’d take Mitre and a fringy prospect, maybe they should just stop signing bad players?

  4. Moshe Mandel says:

    I suggested Gaudin to the Dodgers for one of their myriad late inning relievers. They need a starter, and Gaudin is a solid bet in the NL and would be cheaper than the players on the FA market. I would trade Gaudin for a guy like Belisario, who is expendable to the Dodgers due to Broxton, Kuo, SHerrill, and Troncoso.

  5. (thinks)

    How about trading Sergio Mitre to the Dodgers for the minor league rights to Jaime Hoffmann? Think about it…

    I looked at the Dodgers 40 man roster: I count only six actual starting pitchers on it. Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda, McDonald, Stults, and Haeger. They could probably use the depth of another fringy starter, which explains why they’ve been sniffing around Garland and Davis. And that park is one where Mitre could actually have some decent success. Mitre is probably on par with Garland/Davis in terms of what you can actually expect, maybe a slight hairtick underneath them, but he’s only going to cost the Dodgers 1yr/850k.

    • brooklyn ed says:

      +1

      I think the dodgers will ask for more for hoffman’s rights though.

      • Steve H says:

        I can see that working though, because the Yankees can easily say ok, no deal, we’ll just keep Hoffman. If they sign a Reed Johnson type, they can easily keep Hoffman as their #5 OF.

      • A.D. says:

        The Dodgers would want more for Hoffmann’s rights? or the Yanks would want more for Mitre/Gaudin?

        For the Yanks could be true

        For the Dodgers they should take it, likely they lose Hoffmann’s rights and get nothing, so they might as well get something.

    • adayoff says:

      Cashman should also find out who owns the lease on Hoffmann’s car and buy that too.

  6. Reggie C. says:

    So can it be agreed that Nady signing with the Yankees for a 1-year scenario is far-fetched considering Nady likely wants to accrue 500 at-bats in an effort to boost his market value for one more run at free agency. Some team is going to find a starting spot for Nady, and that’s probably going to be enough to land him.

    Not sure if Cash is continuing to play hardball with JD by crafting the remaining team needs as “RHH.” Reed Johnson and Hairston appear the best fits.

  7. Bucksky619 says:

    I could easily see Juan Miranda get traded. He’s not going to play first base with the Yankees in the foreseeable future so if a team needs a first baseman they may as well move him.

    • Problem is, there’s not that many teams that still need a first baseman, and there’s still Adam LaRoche, Russell Branyan, Carlos Delgado, Ryan Garko, Mike Jacobs, and Kevin Millar still on the market. All of whom cost more than Miranda in raw salary, but also probably outhit him and won’t cost a prospect.

      I still don’t think there’s much of a market for him, but it’s not impossible, no.

    • AeroFANatic says:

      Miranda will stay at Triple A for depth, in-case Johnson gets hurt. I’d then not be shocked to see Miranda moved AFTER this season, as DH will be clogged for the forseeable future (Posada, Jeter, etc)

  8. Will says:

    Can someone tell me why we are not expressing interest in Jermayne Dye (or any other team, for that matter)? The guy is consistent every year, and I’m sure could play left field if asked. He’d provide a nice right handed bat in the lineup. Is he asking to much? I’m just not sure why he hasn’t been mentioned.

  9. SM says:

    The yanks have the advantage to be able to kick in Money as well.
    I wonder if Elijah Dukes could be had. Both Gaudin and Mitre project about the same as Marquis so maybe it would have been better to ask before they signed him.

    • Both Gaudin and Mitre project about the same as Marquis so maybe it would have been better to ask before they signed him.

      2009, IP and ERA+
      Jason Marquis – 216.0, 113+
      Chad Gaudin – 147.1, 83+
      Sergio Mitre – 51.2, 63+

      Jason Marquis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chad Gaudin >>>>> Sergio Mitre

      • Chris says:

        Mitre was less than a year removed from TJ surgery when he came back, so it’s reasonable to expect some improvement next year. Also, Marquis was pitching in the same league where Brad Penny had a 2.59 ERA.

        • Steve H says:

          Both Gaudin and Mitre have pitched in the NL and have not pitched nearly as well as Marquis.

          Gaudin-72 ERA+ in the NL
          Mitre- 81 ERA+ in the NL
          Marquis- 99 ERA+ in the NL, and 105 in the past 3 years.

          Jason Marquis is not a very good pitcher, but it is delusional to consider him on par with Gaudin and Mitre

        • Both good points.

          I still don’t see how those two things equal up to Mitre closing a 40 point gap in ERA+, though. And, Marquis moving from the Rockies to the Nationals isn’t changing leagues, he’s still pitching in the same league where Brad Penny had a 2.59 ERA.

          • SM says:

            Lets go to some projections
            Player/2010 James FIP/2010 CHONE FIP

            Marquis/4.7/4.46
            Mitre/4.39/4.44
            Gaudin/4.24/4.58

            Why would you use ERA+ to predict future performance? Possible that Marquis *may* have some more value as he could be likely to give you more innings.

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  11. Steve H says:

    Would the A’s have any interest in either of these guys in a swap for Scott Hairston, who would be a perfect fit imo. They have a glut of OF’s, we might have to throw in something if it’s Mitre, but how would they look at a Gaudin-Hairston swap?

  12. The Yankees have 38 players on the 40 man roster, so they definitely have room to maneuver. Mitre and Edwar are, to me, empty roster spots.

  13. A.D. says:

    who are similar to the Yankees’ duo.

    Personally (money aside) I’d take those 4 over Gaudin or Mitre. That said they will likely make more money.

    Potentially something with one of the starters & Miranda to the Giants, though given they could use an OF not really sure what would be had in return.

    • Well, leaving all money/contractual concerns out of it, and just ranking them on pure talent/ability level, I’d rank their current desirability at:

      1. Gaudin (27yo, career 94+)
      (gap)
      2. Padilla (32yo, career 100+)
      3. Washburn (35yo, career 105+)
      (gap)
      4. Davis (34 yo, career 106+)
      5. Garland (30 yo, career 100+)
      (gap)
      6. Mitre (29yo, career 78+)

      • Am I the only Kevin? says:

        For a number 6 or 7 starter, though, wouldn’t having MiL options be a big plus? That roster flexibility plus the promise of youth would to some extent counterbalance the slight performance benefits that the other FAs offer. Throw in a little optimism regarding expecting a young guy to improve, and I can see how a club barren at the AAA level would see Guadin and Mitre as attractive rotation insurance.

        The Yanks, on the other hand, have a good number of back end starters on the 40 man, so I can see one being moved for Phil Coke-esque bullpen arm.

  14. stu says:

    Jerry Hairston is a f/a, Scott is the 5th of in OAK. I’ve been wondering myself why we never hear his name. He seems like a younger/faster/more talented version of Marcus Thames
    And it seems as if oak is not sold inn based upon their moves to date

  15. JFH says:

    a mitre salary is only 850K. hardly enough to make a real dent in the supposed budget if the f.o. trades him.

  16. mryankee says:

    I said this the other day and over the TYU I had some backup. Rocco Baldelli as a low cost maybe 500.000-1 mill contract as your right handed left fielder. Incentive laden deal might work as well.

  17. George says:

    Not a big fan of Mitre last year. But – You NEVER have enough pitching. If he could pass waivers, and go to AAA to work on being a better pitcher, Gaudin as #5, Joba and Hughes to setup Mo. Then bring back Damon.

  18. Bo says:

    If cashmna gets anything of value for Mitre than you can really start calling him a great GM.

  19. Mo says:

    Trade targets:
    Conor Jackson
    Rajai Davis
    Chase Headly
    David DeJesus
    Josh WIllingham
    Ryan Ludwick
    Cory Hart
    any other suggestions?
    all can be had for various cost in contracts and/or prospects. Cashman start working the phones!

  20. adayoff says:

    I wonder what it would take to get Brad Hawpe from the Rockies. He is a free agent outfielder after the 2010 season, with a club option of $10M.

    Neither Mitre nor Gaudin would get this done. Maybe some combination like Zach McAlister and Brett Gardner?

    Have the Yankees ever done business with the Rockies?

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