Cashman: Granderson is the center fielder

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The latest motif out of Tampa has been the Yankees’ quiet Spring Training. Without a new manager or A-Rod‘s PED revelations to rile up New York’s sports media world, most commentators and reporters don’t know what to do in this new controversy-free post-World Series era in which we live.

Of course, with no big stories to dwell, we simply overanalyze the little ones. This winter, we spent more time than we wish to count pondering who might play left field and what Johnny Damon‘s future might hold. Now that this saga has ended, we can move on the next great debate: should Curtis Granderson play left or center field? What about Brett Gardner? In the grand scheme of the Yankees’ 2010 season, it won’t matter too much, but Spring Training is the time to find out.

Yesterday, though, an in appearance on Sirius XM’s MLB Home Plate Jody McDonald and Jim Bowden spoke to Brian Cashman about the Granderson position debate, and the Yanks’ GM virtually ended the discussion before it could drag on throughout March. “He’s our center fielder,” he said. “We traded for him to be our center fielder.” Cashman continued on for some time:

I think that what’s taken place is when you’re asked questions like ‘Is there a possibility of Gardner playing center?’ I’m like, well, if we feel Gardner makes us our best team with Gardner at center because we’re blessed to have two above average center fielders patrolling Yankee Stadium’s outfield out of the three man alignment. So we have [Nick] Swisher in right, Granderson in center and Gardner, assuming he holds it down and wins it, will be in left.

But Granderson’s our center fielder. He’s an above average center fielder and that’s why we acquired him. But to be quite honest if somebody asked, ‘Hey, but is it possible Brett Gardner might be a better center fielder?’ Our defensive metrics on Brett Gardner made him one of the elite center fielders in the game. I’m not saying he’s the top but he’s close to it.

So in fairness we acknowledge that but does that mean it’s the right thing to do to move Curtis Granderson over to left? I’m not saying that but I’m also open minded to say, alright, we’ve got a new player. We’re gonna see how our team fits and we’ll make decisions accordingly as we see things playing out. But Granderson’s our center fielder.”

It seems that the Yankees’ defensive metrics line up nicely with the argument I put forth last week when I suggested that the Yanks use Granderson in left and Gardner in center. Still, the team can’t be faulted for going with the career center fielder instead of the still-young Gardner. The tandem will cover a lot of ground in the outfield, and Granderson’s bat plays well in center.

Cashman’s discussion here also could be read as a tacit admission that Gardner is not a long-term solution to an outfield position on the Yanks. The team has been rumored to be interested in Carl Crawford, and the Yanks would rather not move Granderson from center to left and back to center again over the span of one or two seasons. He has a good enough glove to do it, but teams prefer consistency and predictability over the course of 162 games.

Meanwhile, during the same interview, Cashman cleared up another Spring Training mystery of sorts. He also told Bowden that Nick Johnson would bat second for the Yanks. Sticking a guy with an on-base percentage over .400 in front of Mark Teixeira and A-Rod is a recipe for runs, runs and more runs.

And so here we are, just under 40 days away from Opening Day, and the 2010 Yankees are coming into view. The team features a solid core of athletic players, some top pitchers and some heavy hitters to complement the best closer in all of baseball. Bring on the baseball.

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  • The Evil Empire

    Is it possible to create some kind of permanent shift when Garnder and Granderson are both in the OF.

    Move Gardner a little more to CF, and Granderson a little more to RF. That covers a lot more space and helps nick swisher as well.

    • ZK

      I was wondering this too. It Seems like a good idea.

  • PaulF

    I’m glad Johnson will be batting second, but I wish they would’ve let Gardner play center. It wont matter too much though, and Granderson might be able to shade over to right and help Swisher, since Gardy will cover so much ground in left.

    • Bo

      Let Gardner beat out Winn/Thames before you give him the CF job.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        It doesn’t work that way, Bo. Gardner is clearly the incumbent here and it’s his job to lose. Winn/Thames need to beat Gardner out, not the other way around.

        The organization has been very consistent and clear in that regard. Gardner is the presumptive everyday starter. Winn and Thames are bench options who can play their way into increased roles.

        • radnom

          While I’m in agreement here, I do think Winn and Thames play a role in who plays center.

          Regardless of whether or not Gardner is the favorite to break camp with a starting job, there is a very, very good chance that he will lose playing time over the course of the year due to his bat (if Winn or Thames step it up). If he is in center, you basically lose Thames as a possible replacement for him. Of course this is moot if Hoffman makes the team over Thames.

          Granderson in center makes sense for the long term, and that is what really matters, but it makes sense for 2009 as well. You don’t want Granderson moving all around the OF to get Thames playing time if/when Gardner’s bat falters.

        • YankFanDave

          Cashman from above: “and Gardner, assuming he holds it down and wins it, will be in left.” Sounds to me as if he needs “win it,” that smacks of a competition.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Is it a competition? Yes.

            Does Gardner get a headstart? Do all ties go to him? Yes and yes.

  • A.D.

    Basically is sounds like if Gardner hits enough to be an everyday player, and someone that they’re penciling in the lineup every day, then the Yanks put him in CF and Granderson in LF, but until then don’t want to yo-yo around.

  • PaulF

    Since it’s settled that johnson will hit second, where does everybody think that Grandy will hit? Will he hit 5th against righties? Will he be moved down against lefties?

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I think he’d hit sixth. So you’d have:
      Jeter-R
      Johnson-L
      Teixeira-S
      Rodriguez-R
      Posada-S
      Granderson-L
      Cano-L
      Swisher-S
      Gardner-L

      I could also see the Yanks flipping Swisher and Cano, but the idea is to get away from having two lefties at the bottom of the order. The only time here the Yanks would be vulernable to lefties is when Gradnerson and Cano are due up.

      But having him hit fifth would work too, and that move would even better minimize the vulnerability to left-handed pitching. I prefer Posada’s bat there though.

      • JGS

        Cano had a .373 wOBA against lefties last year, exactly the same as Swisher against righties.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Good point. In that case. Flip Swisher and Cano. Doesn’t matter too much.

          • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

            Swisher being more effective Cano on the basepaths is important because of Gardner and Jeter following the #8 hitter.

            Also, we should weigh 230 plate appearances in a split so heavily.

            • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

              Swisher being more effective *than Cano on the basepaths is *more important because of Gardner and Jeter following the #8 hitter.

              Also, we should *not weigh 230 plate appearances in a split so heavily.

              • JGS

                We shouldn’t weigh 230 PA that heavily, but that didn’t happen in a vacuum–it’s not the first time he has done something like that. His career wOBA against lefties is just .344, but that’s mostly 05 and 06 talking (and 08 to some degree, but he was decent against lefties and terrible against righties that year).

                Cano wOBA platoon splits:

                2005: .291 (165 PA) (.351 vs. RHP)
                2006: .310 (138) (.402)
                2007: .374 (211) (.354)
                2008: .349 (187) (.293)
                2009: .373 (230) (.374)
                total: .344 (931)

                looks like he figured out how to hit lefties in 2007 and has been better against them than righties ever since

      • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

        Over the last three years, Granderson has been a .350/.499 (OBP/SLG%) hitter that has produced 14.3 EQBRR; Swisher has hit .362/.454 with 1.5 EQBRR; and Cano has produced a .337/.474 line with the stick and -2.5 runs with his legs.

        Considering that Posada and Gardner will bookend this trio, and disregarding optimizing a lineup by The Book, that is exactly how I would piece together this lineup.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Jeter-R
        Johnson-L
        Teixeira-S
        Rodriguez-R
        Posada-S
        Granderson-L Cano-L
        Cano-L Granderson-L
        Swisher-S
        Gardner-L

        Cano’s the vet incumbent on the edge of a breakout season. He gets the reward and the expectation. Granderson gets the smaller expectation and lower role to ease himself into the NYC spotlight.

  • BigBlueAL

    I think its pretty obvious why Granderson will be in CF and not Gardner, Granderson will play everyday and Gardner will be platooned.

    You dont want to have Granderson switching between CF and LF depending on who is starting between Gardner/Winn/Thames (or messing with Granderson’s head since its his 1st season in the Bronx and he is very important not only for now but for the future). Thames aint playing CF (he can barely play LF) and while Winn is an adequate CF he is an excellent corner OFer. So it is alot easier to have Granderson in CF everyday and have the rotation in LF like the late 90’s Yankees did.

    • Rey22

      This.
      Beat me to it.

    • DerMegalodonster

      Presto. This is just what Girardi said in a recent radio interview.

      A) he is reluctant to have Grandy move around (though he did note that he is a good enough athlete and has some experience at left & center to be able to)
      B) he sees Winn as a corner

      Ergo, Grandy probably your centerfielder without necessarily being your best CF.
      Though, it was interesting to note the emphasis that he put on Gardner not having much experience in left and having proved that he could play center exceptionally well. He several times left open the possibility — if it were to make the team better — of playing Brett in center and forgoing his reluctance to move Grandy. Perhaps he’s waiting to see if Winn could fill in here and there at center.

    • emac2

      I think this is close but I think the real reason is that they just aren’t ready to commit to Gardner playing at all until he wins the job in the spring.

      I think he can win the center field job if he wins a full time job but if all he wins is a platoon he will stay in left.

  • Manimal

    Isn’t this the managers decision? I dont know why cash is saying this in public unless joe already let him know.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      So in fairness we acknowledge that but does that mean it’s the right thing to do to move Curtis Granderson over to left? I’m not saying that but I’m also open minded to say, alright, we’ve got a new player. We’re gonna see how our team fits and we’ll make decisions accordingly as we see things playing out. But Granderson’s our center fielder.”

      Team effort. Cash and Joe will work together as things play out.

    • Slugger27

      Isn’t this the managers decision?

      not really, no. im sure cash tells girardi how certain things are gonna be done and lets girardi micro manage after that

      cash probably is the one deciding not only grandy in CF, but johnson batting 2nd, the innings limits on all the young pitchers… i bet cashman is the one that makes the final decision on the 5th starter as well

      that all being said, id imagine girardi and cashman rarely disagree on items like these since they both have access to the same scouting reports and information, so it probably doesnt matter

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_Peck Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        plus girardi has said in the past that his meetings with brian are constructive hasn’t he? it seems like these two have a good enough working relationship where if one disagrees with the other they can say so and lay out the evidence and imo more than likely convince them. Especially asince they’re both statistically inclined

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    Right move. Do you move the guy that will be a staple in our OF for years to come for the guy who may not even be a starter next year? I want Grandy getting used to our centerfield, the earlier the better.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ Eric

      Yeah, the guy in the $4,000 dollar suit is holding the elevator for the guy that doesn’t make that in three months?! Come on!

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Haha! ietc

        \Gob’d

    • emac2

      Exactly!

      I don’t get the clowns that think positions are decided by the players skill with the glove when those of us in the know can tell you it’s all about the bat!

      I mean the Salary!

      I mean the contract length!

      Yeah! That’s it! Contract length!

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Ugh.. Is that what I said?

        Granderson will be with this team for a while. Presumably, as a centerfielder. There aren’t many better centerfielders in Major League Baseball today.

        Is any of the above false?

        Now, do you want to retard Granderson’s adaptation to our CF because Gardner provides what may turn out to be a small increase in defensive efficiency? (Let alone the fact that Gardner may not even start 100 games.)

        Just to clarify what most people already know, Gardner has played a total of 789.1 innings in CF in the big leagues. That’s equivalent to 88 games.

        By all means, Gardner is an above average fielding outfielder. Just how good is he? Well, that remains to be seen. Will he be unequivocally better than Curtis Granderson, all things considered? His sample size is way too small for me to make that statement.

        Go ahead, argue your case with sarcasm, that’s always good for healthy debate.

        • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

          Also, I’m anxious to see Curtis field in a smaller outfield next to two able bodied corner outfielders.

        • emac2

          I don’t know how to argue with someone who thinks you field an inferior team because you are afraid one of your outfielders might have to change from Left to center next year.

          I think any player as traumatized by the move as you fear probably shouldn’t be in NY.

          But I think that if you looked at the mentalUZR+/- of +4 that Granderson put up in seasons in which he played center and left as opposed to the +1 he posted when he just played center it would prove my point.

          Since I made the numbers up it doesn’t really PROVE anything but if they were real would you agree that Gardner should be in center?

          • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

            As I mentioned, part of my reasoning for placing Grandy in center is that Gardener very well may not start 100 games. BigblueAl mentioned it in different terms as you saw.

            I am in no way in favor of fielding an inferior team, that’s crazy. I am saying that number one; I’d like to get Grandy accustomed to our centerfield. Number two; I don’t want him flipflopping between positions, that’s not good for anyone.

            I’m also saying that the difference between Grandy and Gardy in CF may not be as huge as you’re leading on. I mentioned the sample size to point out that Gardy’s Uzr/150 shouldn’t be referenced for anything other than saying he’s above average. We really can’t pinpoint just how good he is until he has more innings under his belt.

            • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

              Whoops, he’s not a gardener.

            • emac2

              I think you overrate the difficulty of switching between left and center. I wouldn’t do it on a regular basis but what is happening next year isn’t relevant to me.

              If Gardner misses 62 games it means he either didn’t win the job or was injured. I’m not convinced the Yankees are stupid enough to start Winn, Thames or whoever over Gardner but it isn’t impossible to imagine.

              If Gardner has a good spring they should put him in center and not look back.

              • http://www.facebook.com/Austin.M.Matherne Austin M. Matherne

                You can’t say Gardner is better then Granderson defensively in centerfield. Well, not yet anyway. One year (and Gardner doesn’t even have that) of UZR data isn’t all that telling.

          • yanksfan4life

            What in the hell is this mentalUZR+/- ? Just open your eyes and WATCH how a guy fields.These dumbass numbers,friggin sabermetric crap,are for nerds.Stick to the old school stats.Give me HR,RBI’s,Avg,Runs scored,and OBP.That’s all that’s needed.

        • emac2

          BTW – remains to be seen?

          How would we ever see anything except stale vets if we can never play anyone until they are proven in the majors enough for every casual fan to be convinced?

          The guy has been playing center field as a professional for years and his skill is well known by anyone interested in looking. The only question is if he will hit enough to start for the Yankees.

        • emac2

          And I’m sorry to be a dick by calling you a clown. Just finished a 8 hour high speed drive that was supposed to be 2 and you were the first person I decided to “talk to” that could hear me.

        • emac2

          I do have a question about sample size.

          Why hasn’t Granderson proven he needs to be platooned?

          Aren’t you playing both sides of the sample size issue when you disregard both Gardners small sample size and Grandersons large sample size to make your point?

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Because Granderon can post respectable numbers against lefties. It was just last year which he was terribly bad.

            I’m not going to believe Gardner is one of the top defensive CF in a sample size as short as his. You need what, 3 seasons of data for an accurate UZR rating? Which is around 3000+ innings? In his major league career he has 980.

  • pat

    Zombie Granderson ftw!

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Look, I don’t care what the telly says, all right? We *have* to get out of here. If we don’t they’ll tear us to pieces, and that is really going to exacerbate things for all of us.

      • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Take subway, go to hotel, kill Beckett – “Sorry” – grab sandwiches, go to the Stadium, have a nice cold pint, and watch the Yankees beat up on the Sox. How’s that for a slice of fried gold?

  • emac2

    Thank god you cane up with the Gardner in center idea. I think the Yanks will catch on eventually.

  • Ted Nelson

    I didn’t feel like he answered the question at all. It was totally politician speak: “he’s our center fielder! But, he also might not be our center fielder. But, he’s definitely our center fielder. But, Brett Gardner might be a better center fielder and he might also be our center fielder.”

    I guess it’s Granderson’s job to lose, but Cashman seems open.

  • Hughesus Christo

    UGH,

    Granderson is playing centerfield. That’s the way it is. Deal.

    We’re entering Slate territory with the counterintuitive thinking at all costs stuff. They’re not changing an all-star CF’s position to accomodate Brett Gardner. Granderson makes a lot of money and came at a great cost, they’re not going to immediately depress his value by giving 270/340/379 GGBG his position.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Granderson makes a lot of money and came at a great cost, they’re not going to immediately depress his value by giving 270/340/379 GGBG his position.

      We will have him starting somewhere for us for the next three years. We don’t give a crap about depressing his value.

      We care only about optimizing our offensive and defensive production, short term and long term. There’s thus an argument for moving him to LF (Gardner may be a better defensive centerfielder) and an argument against moving him to LF (Gardner may only be a stopgap and Granderson would then need to be moved back, which is a disruption we wish to avoid).

      Value doesn’t enter into it.

    • theyankeewarrior

      I agree to a point.

      Though Gardner is the better CFer, he is still not yet viewed as an everyday player by Cashman and Co. If he were, he would probably play there this season. But if you’re running the Yankees, you have to decide whether minimal differences in defensive ability based on a newly-formed statistic that has plenty of room for improvement is a big enough reason to shift your newest all-star player to LF for a kid who we don’t even know will stick in the bigs yet.

      To steal from IBM for a moment, there is a human element here that we often forget about. These guys aren’t robots. They feel comfortable in certain positions. When you’re expected to go out and perform under the biggest spotlight in the world, you may feel more comfortable playing one position, everyday. No second guessing or wondering where you’re going to end up. Just show up and run out to CF. It’s also got to sting a little bit for Granderson to move to a less important position for little GGBG.

      Next season, when we have CC#2 playing LF, Granderson will already be comfy in center and he won’t have to answer any more questions about making the move back to center. He will have to answer enough questions the first time he K’s 3 times against Lester or any other lefty.

      • Ted Nelson

        I’m not that big a fan of signing Carl Crawford, first of all. I’d rather spend a bit more money on Mauer and move Montero to the outfield. Or just not sign him period.
        I mean, Crawford was maybe the 5th best hitter on the Rays last season. He’ll be overpaid and there will be better value out there.

        I see your point, and maybe it will benefit Granderson’s confidence. However, you can also say that when you get paid $5 mill a year to do a job you just suck it up and do it. Whether you’re 10 meters to the left or right shouldn’t matter.

        The big argument your post made me think of is that is Gardner is platooned with Thames… well Thames can’t play CF. Not even sure he can play LF. Same time, Granderson might need to be platooned himself. Of course, Yankees are counting on Granderson as an everyday guy so I see keeping him in center and platooning Gardner in left.

  • Bo

    This was a no brainer. You dont trade for a top notch CF like Granderson and shift him to LF. Esp for Gardner and his bat.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      /boversimplified

    • Ted Nelson

      They’re both going to be on the field and in the line-up, so it doesn’t really matter who is in left and who is in center. It only matters because you want to have the best defensive line-up.

      • Ted Nelson

        And if one is platooned with Thames or vulnerable to being replaced mid-season, most likely Gardner.

  • http://grandcards.blogspot.com Grand Cards

    Here’s a Tigers fan chipping in. Granderson is a tremendous Center Fielder who has been hurt by two things in his career. The first, is that the orientation of Comerica Park makes it one of the most different center fields to play in all of baseball. It is a major stadium outlier. Second, for the last few years, his accompanying corner outfielders have been any mix of Magglio Ordonez, Carlos Guillen, Gary Sheffield and Marcus Thames. Suffice to say, he had a lot of ground to make up in both left and right field.

    I honestly believe that Granderson will win a Gold Glove this year in whatever outfield position he goes to, but his best asset is his “cruising speed,” and I think that he is more valuable to the Yankees in Center than he is in left.

    Just my 2 cents. You guys will love him.

    • pat

      Thanks dude. Good stuff. Didn’t know that the Comerica OF was so difficult.

  • Bob

    Cashman should sign an outfielder named Gardnerson just to make things confusing.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Maybe Curtis could start going by “Curtt”.

      Curtt Granderson.

      • Bob

        So then the third guy should be Crett Gardnerson.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Can’t let you do that, Starfox. It would ruin my “Don’t Hassle the Gardhoff.”

  • Rose

    Imagine if Gardner actually improves (or retains his sss) and we sign Carl Crawford next year…And perhaps re-sign Swisher as the platoon guy/1B/DH rotator man.

    That would be like Shaun White dirty…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Swisher’s contract is not up next winter, so the “resigning” wouldn’t happen.

      And, since we’re not likely to bench Swish simply to bring in Crawford, if Gardner proves he’s worthy of being a fulltime starter in LF, I’d imagine that said fortuitousness would cause us to simply pass on signing Carl Crawford altogether.

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_Peck Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        i hope that happens. i just don’t like me some carl crawford

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Fun Fact: Carl Crawford, Games Played and wRC+, 2005-2009:

          2005 – 156, 120+
          2006 – 151, 126+
          2007 – 143, 124+
          2008 – 109, 95+
          2009 – 156, 126+

          He’s a very solid player. If the price is right, you’ll love him.

          • Lifetime of Question Marks

            I hope the price is right, but I seriously doubt it. Someone is probably going to overpay for the best outfielder on the market and I hope it’s not us.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Probably true.

      • Rose

        My bad. I thought Swish was only with us for 2 years…not 3. Even better then.

        While I hope for Gardner to improve…it just doesn’t seem likely to me.

        I still don’t understand how he sees as many pitches per at bat as he does. And even with all of that happening, he hasn’t been THAT great. I would assume pitchers would catch on and start challenging him a lot more. With the players that surround him, as well as his ridiculous speed…there is no reason at all that pitchers shouldn’t challenge him as much as possible. It doesn’t make a lot of sense that they don’t.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          My bad. I thought Swish was only with us for 2 years…not 3. Even better then.

          It’s even better than you think:

          Nick Swisher of-1b
          5 years/$26.75M (2007-11), plus 2012 club option
          * signed extension with Oakland 5/11/07, replacing 1 year/$0.4M deal for 2007 signed 3/07
          * $0.5M signing bonus
          * 07:$0.7M, 08:$3.5M, 09:$5.3M, 10:$6.75M, 11:$9M,
          12:$10.25M club option ($1M buyout)

          http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....60040.html

  • theyankeewarrior

    I love me some Carl Crawford. In fact, I love me some Carl Crawford so much that I will root for Brett Gardner to do ONLY enough this season (along with Winn etc.) to just get by at league average production so Cash has absolutely no doubts about signing CC for LF next season.

    What do yall think the market will look like for him?

    Can the Yanks nab him for 5/70?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      What do yall think the market will look like for him?

      Probably right around Jason Bay’s market.

      Can the Yanks nab him for 5/70?

      Yes. Should we nab him for 5/70?

      http://i555.photobucket.com/al.....HellNo.jpg (safe)

  • Klemy

    “Cashman’s discussion here also could be read as a tacit admission that Gardner is not a long-term solution to an outfield position on the Yanks. The team has been rumored to be interested in Carl Crawford, and the Yanks would rather not move Granderson from center to left and back to center again over the span of one or two seasons. He has a good enough glove to do it, but teams prefer consistency and predictability over the course of 162 games.”

    This is how I’ve thought of it as well. I get the idea that they aren’t completely sold on Gardner being a long term anser int he outfield and thus don’t want to ping-pong Granderson around while they find out. Gardner might not even win a starting spot in LF by the end of Spring…

  • AeroFANatic

    Lineup:

    Jeter-R
    Johnson-L
    Teixeira-S
    Rodriguez-R
    Posada-S
    Cano-L
    Swisher-S
    Granderson – L
    Gardner-L

    You break up the LL (Cano, Granderson). Puts a high OBP% guy in front of Grandy (Swish), and also allows Gardner to be able to bunt Granderson over for Jeter and NJ. Plus, batting Granderson 8th takes alot of 1st year pressure off of him.

    Regardless, I think Cano is a lock for 6 but as the season progresses Swish and Granderson will rotate the 6/7 holes.

    As for Crawford, I would love 4 years@60. Extending to that 5th year *could* be dangerous for a player that depends so much on speed.

  • Johnny

    if you could sign either Crawford or Werth for 4yrs / 64mill…. Which is it? (with Werth you’d put him in right with his cannon arm, Swish platoons in left or is traded)

    • Hughesus Christo

      The one that isn’t two years older.

  • Sam

    Have we yet discussed what a field day that John Sterling is going to have with Granderson? It’s gonna be ugly.

    “Aw, ain’t he grand?!” or,
    “Granderson is Grandiose!!”

  • pete

    as we all know, all decisions made right after, during, or prior to spring training are permanent and irreversible. This statement by cashman renders it physically impossible for Brett Gardner to ever become the team’s CF. The notion of flexibility based on performance is ludicrous, so even if it does become apparent that Gardner is not only capable of holding down an everyday spot, which would take a few months of sustained offensive performance at the least, but also a better centerfielder than granderson defensively (which would arguably take even longer to be assured of, unless the difference was extreme), there is absolutely no way that either of their roles change next year.

    Also, Crawford is a potential fit here next year, so there is no way that the yankees would consider the option of Granderson-Gardner in left and center, respectively, as a long term solution that wouldn’t cost a not-worth-it $18 million a year, even if there was demonstrable evidence after this year that Granderson could be an above average bordering on elite LF for several more years and Gardner could be an above average centerfielder for several years.

    As we all know, there is nothing worse than going back on a decision. Doing so would demonstrate a blatant inability to forecast the future, and would simply make the yankees look bad all-around. So in sum, this is it. From what Cashman said on February 24th, 2010, we can conclusively determine that Gardner has no chance at playing center this year, and that there is no chance that the yankees do not opt for crawford-granderson over granderson-gardner next year.

    /tongue in cheek’d

  • Jeremy

    Gardener sucks, so he is fast too bad he has no sense of when to run and when not to. He may be fast in the outfield, he takes crappy routes to the balls. His bat is weak as hell. We put him in two games in the WS top steal bases, and he proceeded to get thrown out three two times. Gardner is lucky to be on the team with his weak bat and poor outfield skills.

    People are making Gardner out to be better than he really is. Granderson belongs in center, that is what we got him for. Gardner is nothing more than a platoon guy, and never will be.