Feb
01

Imagining the sole situation in which Johnny Damon returns to New York

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Preface

In no way do I believe the Yankees will do this, nor do I think they should. Johnny Damon had an excellent pinstriped tenure that ended with a World Series title. Retaining him seemed like an option, but only if his contract demands fell into the Yankees’ desired range. That didn’t happen, and the Yankees moved on. While I’d love to see Johnny back in the lineup this year, it’s so unlikely at this point that I had to concoct this crazy scenario. As the price for acquiring one year of Damon, it hardly seems worth the trouble.

The set-up

In the MLB Rumors and Rumblings section of his Weekend Update on Baseball Prospectus, John Perrotto mentioned Damon’s desire to play for the Rays, citing his nearby residence in Orlando. In the next sentence, Perrotto drops the bomb. “He has not completely ruled out a return to the Yankees, even though they have signed Randy Winn to presumably take his place on the roster.” Ignoring the one-for-one replacement of Damon with Winn — and further ignoring the flawed idea of “replacing” production — this is an interesting statement. How could he not rule out a return to the Yankees when it seems everyone else has?

Last week, just after the Winn signing, SI’s Jon Heyman wrote a column about the situation between the Yankees and Damon, quoting both Brian Cashman and Damon at length. Both sides expressed the desire for a reunion, but both recognized the obstacles that stood, and continue to stand, in the way. Both also conceded that they could get back together at some point in the future. “You never know,” said Cashman. Not the most specific of endorsements, but like any good GM, he wouldn’t rule out the possibility if a favorable situation arose.

The scenario

The Yankees have three outfielders who have guaranteed 2010 contracts: Nick Swisher, Curtis Granderson, and Randy Winn. Beyond that they have Brett Gardner, who will make the league minimum and who has two options remaining, and Jamie Hoffmann, whom the Yankees must offer back to the Dodgers if he doesn’t make the team out of spring training. By all appearances, the Yankees will use Gardner and Winn in left, doling out their playing time as their performances warrant. Hoffmann, if he makes the roster, would serve as the fifth outfielder and late-inning defensive replacement — perhaps as a pinch runner with Gardner already in the game.

For now, we can discount Hoffmann. I doubt the Yankees will make roster moves to accommodate him. If he plays well enough to earn a spot, he’ll get it. If they have another player who can fill his role better, they’ll go with that player. That leaves four outfielders, which sounds about right. Winn and Swisher can play both corners, while Granderson and Gardner profile best in left or center. That seems to cover the outfield. So where in the world would Damon fit?

In any return scenario, Gardner would be the odd man out. He not only has an option or two remaining, but he has drawn interest from other teams this off-season, namely the Reds, Padres, White Sox, and Royals. Because any Damon contract would cover just one year, the Yankees wouldn’t necessarily have to trade Gardner to open a spot. They could simply start him in the minors and use him to fill in when needed. This makes the Yankees situation a bit more flexible.

The main obstacle in a Damon-Yankees reunion is the same as it ever was. Before acquiring Winn the Yankees had just $2 million left in their Opening Day payroll budget. All of that went to Winn, so unless Damon is willing to play for the league minimum the Yankees would have to free up some salary. Of their players currently under contract, only Chad Gaudin makes sense from a salary standpoint. He’ll make $2.95 million to start 2010.

In his column, Heyman notes that Cashman floated “a contract of $6 million with $3 million deferred at no interest.” The idea, apparently, is that while the entire $6 million would count against the official Opening Day payroll, Hal Steinbrenner might be open to a deal with deferred money. With around $3 million in savings from dealing Gaudin, presumably for a low-level or low-ceiling minor leaguer, the Yankees could put this offer back on the table. They could go even lower, too, because we haven’t seen much interest in Damon since the Winn signing.

Why it makes sense

If Damon hits as well as he did last season, he’ll be more valuable than Winn at the plate in 2010. If his defense, as Damon himself says, “was only the first two months, and it involved probably five plays,” then perhaps he can play a capable left field. We know that his bat plays well at the Stadium, and that he’s a good guy to have in the clubhouse. His speed, while not what it was when he first signed, is still an asset.

Why it doesn’t make sense

To list them:

  • Trading away pitching depth to sign another outfielder doesn’t seem like a great idea.
  • The Yankees seem to like Brett Gardner, probably enough to give him at least a half-season’s worth of at-bats in left field.
  • The chances of Damon replicating his 2009 season remain low. He’ll be a useful offensive player, but it’s doubtful that he replicates a career year — one in which he slipped considerably toward the end.
  • Stats and scouts agreed that Damon played poorly in left field last season, so his return to league average doesn’t appear likely.

Why it won’t happen

Judging from his track record, I don’t think Brian Cashman will alter his roster, trading away valuable pitching depth, just to accommodate Damon. They’re likely mindful that 2010 Damon isn’t 2009 Damon, and that the latter outperformed most reasonable expectations. True, for $6 million, with $3 million deferred, he wouldn’t have to replicate his production to justify the contract. But, again, the Yankees would have to make a further sacrifice in order to even think about bringing back Damon. I just don’t see them doing that.

Really, this is just a crazy thought based on Johnny not yet ruling out a return to New York. The door might remain unlocked, but it’s definitely shut. I doubt the Yankees would go through the trouble at this point. They should be too busy preparing for another championship season in 2010.

Photo credit: Eric Gay/AP

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Do Not Feed The Trolls!

    I already have canceled my cable, season tickets, returned my Yankees merchandise and broke up with my Yankee fan girlfriend.

    If the Yankees bring back Damon boy will I be pissed.

    • A.D.

      IETC

    • Not The Rays
  • A.D.

    If Damon is getting crap offers from the rest of the league, does he prefer to return to NY if he’s not getting paid anywhere…maybe

  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Do Not Feed The Trolls!

    On a serious note the Yankees 2Y/14mm offer was very good. Theres reports of interests from other teams of course but not any report of an offer. I have a feeling hes going to end up like Abreu, signing with another team for less. Which is unfortunate because 2 year offer would have worked out well for both the Yankees and Damon.

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    I would think that Golson, Hoffmann and Edwar are all possible fodder for any roster move that may be made.

    • A.D.

      Yeah plus figure Christina Garcia could also probably go.

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        No way, dude. Despite his injury-filled history, he is way to good to give up on just yet.

        • A.D.

          They could potentially do something similar as what they did with Humberto Sanchez

  • mike

    Damon improves their chances for 2010, and for a small amount it seems like a no-brainer.
    However, I would take Jermaine Dye right now for the same 3 million, and I think the Yanks would have a deeper, better roster and some pop/speed on the bench wheteher he started or was p/t- and a bat for when Johnson hits the DL

    • Not The Rays

      I’ll take Winn’s 2010 over Dye’s 2010. And I’m not at all excited about Winn’s 2010.

  • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

    Why fuel the Damon rumor-fire? WHY?

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      It’s like a pro wrestling match. Just when you think the guy is finished, he kicks out as the referee’s hand is coming down for the third count.

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_Peck Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        yeah and then he gets up like hulk hogan and starts running around the ring pumping his fists while the other guy punches him to no avail

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
          • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_Peck Templeton “Brendog” Peck

            duh

            • V

              I hate using “duh” but this calls for it. Duh!

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    heh

    This poor horse just can’t rest in peace…

    • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_Peck Templeton “Brendog” Peck

      http://www.getonmyhorse.com (about 97% safe)

      • Thomas

        Great video. Well done.

  • Kiko Jones

    Bring Johnny back. Period.

    • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

      O.KAY.

      PERIOD.

      /gets on phone, orders cashman to bring back damon
      //period

    • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

      At first I was on the fence. But you sir, you have convinced me with your breathy but forceful prose. A million thanks.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      (thinks)

      No.

      • ColoYank

        That didn’t take very long.

        Nor should it have.

  • Bxbomber

    Damon should have fired Boras a while ago after ruining this offseason for him.

    I still can’t believe we’re going to have any warm and fuzzies come Fall with the likes of Gardner/Winn/Johnson replacing Matsui/Damon in the lineup.

    • A.D.

      I still can’t believe we’re going to have any warm and fuzzies come Fall

      What does that mean?

    • Joe B.

      Please tell me you did not just seriously compare Nick Johnson to Randy Winn. Please?

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      I still can’t believe we’re going to have any warm and fuzzies come Fall with the likes of Gardner/Winn/Johnson replacing Matsui/Damon in the lineup.

      Curtis Granderson meet Bxbomber. Bxbomber meet Curtis Granderson.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Well, by his logic, he’s right.

        Winn/Gardy replaces the LFer.

        Johnson replaces the DH.

        He just neglects to recognize we replaced Melky/Gardy with the aforementioned C-Grand.

        • Steve H

          Can we define it as “logic” though, if it’s illogical?

          • Bxbomber

            We’re assuming Granderson actually performs at 2007 levels, Johnson stays healthy, and Gardner becomes at least a league average LF’er. All big if’s to me. This also assumes the remainder of the lineup performs the same as last year, no major injuries, etc.

            I think we had more of a cushion with Matsui/Damon in the lineup that we just gave away, to really only save a few million. That’s my major point in all of these discussions.

            As for the warm and fuzzies, my point was I don’t think anyone is going to feel comfortable having those dudes up at bat in a must come thru playoff moment vs the proven playoff performers we just let walk. I hope I’m wrong, I’ll eat these words gladly if we wind up winning the chip again and these guys contribute in some meaningful way.

            Somehow I doubt those that are in support of these moves doing the same if they fail however.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              As for the warm and fuzzies, my point was I don’t think anyone is going to feel comfortable having those dudes up at bat in a must come thru playoff moment vs the proven playoff performers we just let walk.

              I’m totally comfortable with Curtis Granderson and Nick Johnson in a big “must come thru playoff moment” for the same reason I was totally comfortable with Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui.

              Because they’re all good hitters. All four of them.

              So, if you’re looking to put together a list of people comfortable with Granderson or Johnson in a big high leverage spot, the list begins with me. You know now at least one person who will be warm and fuzzy come October with Granderson and Johnson.

              Your list is going to be longer than you think it is, because many of us are smart enough to trust larger samples more than smaller samples.

              • Bob Stone

                Totally agree!

            • I hate this hero worship BS

              Why is it so much to ask that Gardner become merely average? Why is it so hard for Granderson to revert back to 07 form in his late 20′s? Or so hard for a DH to stay healthy? And why is it so obvious that Damon and Matsui will totally give you 2010 production as they approach 36 -37 years old? Where were you when Matsui battled knee injury all season and Damon made every play in OF an unnecessary adventure? Stop being seduced by lefthanded power numbers from that bandbox in the Bronx. Your heroes are old and next year their somebody else’s problem.

    • Thomas

      There is little to no proof that Scott Boras ruined Johnny Damon’s offseason. In the end, Damon has the call on what he is willing to sign for and where. Damon chose to reject both the Yankees offers not Boras. Boras’ only job is to make his client happy (finding the offers with the most money in Damon’s case) and if none of the offers satisfy Damon, it’s likely Damon’s fault not Boras’.

      • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

        In the end, Damon has the call on what he is willing to sign for and where. Damon chose to reject both the Yankees offers not Boras.

        Just wanted to say this louder.

    • r.w.g.

      Prior to this off-season, Scott Boras landed Johnny Damon $52MM for years of work. Four years of work that included 4 months off every year.

      I wish Scott Boras was my agent.

      • Brian

        work??? He got to play baseball for a living…

        • r.w.g.

          Well yeah, but he plays it professionally. He’s got media responsibilities and interviews and promotional stuff that may or may not be in the language of his contract.

          He has to play hurt a lot of the time. It’s clearly a lot of fun, but it’s still a job, you know?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Irrelevant. The money Boras made Damon in the past does not necessarily mean he’s the best person to make Damon money NOW.

        Johnnie Cochran is a hell of a good attorney, but if I needed a lawyer today, I wouldn’t hire Cochran. Because he’s dead.

        • r.w.g.

          It’s not totally irrelevant.

          I’m not arguing whether or not Scott dropped the ball here, or whether Johnny dropped the ball. Clearly nobody topped the $14MM so it looks bad.

          But you’ve got to take into account personal history and relationships between people. Obviously, Boras has done some good work for Johnny and did right by him in the past and so Damon stuck with him based on the track record and personal experience.

          Going into the off-season, there wasn’t much indicating Boras wouldn’t be able to get him a decent to good contract, so why on Earth would Johnny have it in his head “I need to fire this guy before the off-season starts and get somebody new”. He was coming off a good offensive year and there were some teams that needed offense.

          I’ll admit I’m surprised JD didn’t get like a 3-year, $18MM offer. I figured that had Sabean written all over it.

          Besides, what they hell would changing agents even accomplish at this point? Is Peter Greenberg, Jeff Borris, or Matt Sosnick going to fix this situation?

          Damon didn’t bet on NYY moving so quickly on Johnson. Once that happened, the Yankees were removed the equation and there was no incentive for any team to bid against a NYY team that wasn’t in the running. The acquisition of Melky by ATL also threw a wrench in it, but lessening the need or urgency of that team to get in on Damon.

        • OldYanksFan

          He’s dead? No wonder he won’t return my phone calls.

          • OldYanksFan

            P.S. It wasn’t Boras who said ‘NO’ to 2/$14m.
            JD is his own worst enemy.

          • Bob Stone

            ietcvm

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Damon should have fired Boras a while ago after ruining this offseason for him.

      I’m guessing you’re unfamiliar with the concept of personal responsibility.

      http://www.livestrong.com/arti.....nsibility/

      • Bxbomber

        This notion that JOhnny Damon spit on an offer from the Yankees that might wind up being the best he’ll get the rest of his career without Boras telling him he could do better if he held out is absurd. Of course the buck stops with Johnny at the end of the day, the same way it stops with you when you listen to your tax advisor that you can take that deduction or when you listen to your lawyer about whether it’s legal to structure a deal a certain way. But this is what you pay them for, you rely on their expertise in areas you don’t want to or aren’t competent enough to deal in. If the IRS comes after you for that deduction you’re not going to come with any personal responsibility angle, you’re going to look at the guy you just paid like WTF?

        Boras f’ed this up for Damon by making him think the market was hotter for his services than it really was. Boras damn near ruined the ARod deal a few years ago remember? ARod had to basically take it into his own hands. He’s the perfect agent when you’re a hot commodity in a seller’s market. He’s terrible in a buyer’s market.

    • pete luciano

      Couldn’t agree with you more, the Yankees will have to be very involved at the trade deadline or sooner, should have just signed Damon and wasting $2m on Winn was absurd.

  • Steve H

    Where did all of the people who accused the Yankees of screwing Damon over go?

    • Zack

      How dare they offer him the best contract offers he received this offseason, what a disgrace.

    • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

      In Taiwan with the CMW white knights.

  • Brian

    Come on…let this story die so we can focus on the most important thing in the Yankee Universe….16 days until Pitchers and Catchers.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Yep. Let’s focus on a date that means absolutely nothing. Oooh, look, a beat writer got a camera phone picture of CC throwing a bullpen! Woooo!

      • Brian

        it’s the little things in life…haha.

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        Shut up Pawlikowski. Those goddamn camera phone pictures are the only things that keep me from committing harakiri during the gloom that is February.

  • r.w.g.

    If they want to send out Gaudin, Gardner, and Hoffman to bring in Damon I wouldn’t have an issue with it.

    If they don’t want to do that, I don’t have any issue with it.

    Randy Winn as a sometimes starter/platoon-ish guy with Gardner/Hoffman is just as likely to result in a good OF situation was Randy Winn backing up Damon and Granderson. The team is powered by strong pitching and some seriously elite bats that deliver power and professional ABs.

    Johnson has a mutual option. If he has a good year and doesn’t exercise his end of it, and JD has a good showing somewhere else on a one-year, guy might be back in 2011.

    Technically we never know, but we kind of sort of do. I doubt he comes back unless we trade for him at the deadline.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    While I don’t want to give this story ANY MORE AMMUNITION than it needs, here’s something that could work:

    Trade Chad Gaudin to the Dodgers… for the minor-league rights to Jamie Hoffmann.

    Think about it.

    • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

      I’ve suggested this in the past as well, but wonder if they’d take on salary.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Isn’t it possible that Gaudin could bring a prospect with a higher upside than Hoffman? Especially at the deadline to a team that is hurting for pitching?

      I don’t know, just asking.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Meh, probably not.

      • Zack

        Considering the Yankees got him for 50k I’d say no.

  • Cecala

    Why wont the Johnny Damon stuff end, its like the Brett Farve saga of the winter. It makes me want to punt puppies.

  • Mo

    Chad Gaudin is valuable pitching depth as the 7th starter/ long man? If Gaudin matters Yanks are in trouble. He should have been non-tendered. Cashman blew it. Even if Johnny didnt come back Nick Johnson was a waste. He could have Jack Cust and Ryan Garko at DH for a combined 3 million! Randy WInn could have been Byrnes for 500 K or it looks like Willy Tavares DFA’d for minimum.

    • pete

      Nick Johnson >>> Jack Cust and Ryan Garko. Also, Granderson >>> Jack Cust and Ryan Garko. Furthermore, Randy Winn >>> Eric Byrnes. And too boot, the combination of Randy Winn, Brett Gardner, Hoffmann, and Golson will be > than Johnny Damon in 2010 if he is a LF, and Nick Johnson will be better than Damon if Damon is a DH.

      All sorts of oaktag

      • Mo

        Jack Cust + Ryan Garko + $3 million>>>Nick Johnson

        Johnny Damon + Gardner + Byrnes >>>Winn +Gardner + Hoffman

        oaktag

        • pete

          this is so untrue it’s not even worth explaining why. not only are you wrong, but you’re belligerently sticking to your guns in the wake of overwhelming evidence (not in my response, but more in the pages upon pages of comments and articles written on this site alone) against your argument.

          • Mo

            Is there RAB Kool-Aid I should be drinking? Or are you Cashman’s cousins or college roommates pete and archimedes.

            I guess we are not allowed to post opinions that differ from yours without harsh consequences.

            • pete

              you’re allowed to post anything you want, but when your arguments are unevolving, i.e. you say something, someone retorts, and then you say the same thing again, it becomes incredibly annoying. Can you please demonstrate for me why you believe that Eric Byrnes is better than Randy Winn? or why Jack Cust and Ryan Garko are better than Nick Johnson?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Chad Gaudin is valuable pitching depth as the 7th starter/ long man? If Gaudin matters Yanks are in trouble. He should have been non-tendered. Cashman blew it. Even if Johnny didnt come back Nick Johnson was a waste. He could have Jack Cust and Ryan Garko at DH for a combined 3 million! Randy WInn could have been Byrnes for 500 K or it looks like Willy Tavares DFA’d for minimum.

      Everything you just said in that rambling block of text was batshit insane.

  • Mo

    M’s killed this offseason Cliff Lee, Chone Figgins, and bargains Kotchman, Byrnes, Garko and still brought back local favorite and future Hall of famer Jr. Griffey. That is a helluva offseason beats Cashman’s 09 spending spree/fantasy draft of cc, Tex, AJ, Swish.

    • pete

      Cliff Lee’s terrific, but Cliff Lee in 2010 = Bedard + Washburn in 2009. Byrnes, Gardko, Kotchman and Figgins aren’t likely to greatly surpass the offensive production from Russel Branyan last year. Furthermore, their defense in left field dropped off a cliff and there’s really no guarantee whatsoever that bradley makes up for it on offense. Throw in that there’ll probably be a slight defensive regression for Gutierez, who, while superb in center, put up RIDICULOUS numbers in center last year. In other words, the M’s have replaced players with better players, but the players being replaced are all coming off of career years last year. I gotta be honest, while Seattle has certainly had a great offseason, I highly doubt they do much better in 2010 than they did in 2009.

      And “Cashman’s 09 spending spree/fantasy draft of cc, Tex, AJ, Swish” not only led to a world series, but netted the team with an ace for years to come, a cornerstone offensive and defensive player, and two excellent complementary players. And while CC, Tex, and AJ were expensive (which is fine, considering the quality) free agents, Swisher was practically stolen from the White Sox. And the team decreased its payroll from ’08 to ’09, as it has again from ’09 to 2010, so its hard to call it a spending spree. Cashman’s 07-08 (not selling the farm for santana), 08-09 (acquiring four very high quality players while decreasing payroll), and 09-10 (improving drastically on defense and in the rotation while maintaining offensive production and getting younger and again decreasing payroll) offseasons have all been excellent. Jack Z’s great, no doubt, but in all honesty, Cash is at this point just as good.

      • Mo

        pete the GM would pursue CC and Tex I would think with Yanks payroll.

        not selling the farm for johan was contingent upon getting cc the following year otherwise there would be no WS in 09 and Girardi whom i love as a manager would have been fired.

        • pete

          yes, but when the payroll decreases from one season to the next, it’s hard to call that offseason a “spending spree”

  • Mo

    on Cashman:
    movie quote “I have more creativity in my penis”

    name the movie

    Bonus: name the character

    • pete

      if you consider bringing back matsui and damon more creative than replacing them with granderson and nick johnson, something is wrong with you. Whether or not you think that it was the correct decision, it was obviously the more creative one, seeing as it is actually different…

      • Mo

        I love the Granderson trade, pretty obvious that anybody could see that he filled a need for the Yanks with or without Johnny.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      The movie you’re quoting is Dumb and Dumber. Even if said quote is actually from a different movie, I’m 100% positive the movie you are quoting is actually Dumb and Dumber.

      • Mo

        um no

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    YEAH, YOU TELL ‘EM, STEVE-DAVE!!!!

  • http://theyankeemanager.blogspot.com/ Managing the Yankees

    I’m confident that Brett Gardner will have a good 2010 season. He will have 30-40 steal bases and will have an batting average of .282, and OBP of .385.

    Gardner will be perfect in the 9 hole giving the the top of the order a potential run to produce.

    Which leaves Damon out of the picture. Damon is history and the Yankees must move on without him.

    • pete

      I’m a big gardner supporter, but there is no way in hell he OBPs .385 next year. There’s just no way that in that lineup he sees anything but strikes

  • Joseph M

    The Yankees can afford Damon. Nick Johnson is under contract for about 5.5 million, trade him for a prospect and use that as a base and build from there if necessary. Damon could then function as your primary DH while working a few games in left. Gardner is a spare part no more. He can pinch run and fill in defensively. That’s what he does ask more and he becomes a liability.

    • pete

      OR, the yankees could use the better and cheaper DH that they already have…

      • Joseph M

        Pete, If Nick Johnson is sitting on the 60 day DL, or hurts himself adjusting his batting helmet and misses the season then he isn’t the cheaper DH. On top of everything else he’s slow, and plays only one position, a position that’s manned by a guy who is young and very talented defensively and plays 150 plus games a year.

    • NCpinstripes

      If the Yankees wanted to use Damon as their primary DH, then why didn’t they just sign him for the 5.5 million that they gave Johnson. Oh wait, I remember, Damon and Boras were still wanting close to 13 million per year for 3 years when the Yanks decided to move on.

      Damon was given multiple opportunities by Cashman and the Yankees to come back, and each and every time he stuck to his outrageous salary demands. Well good luck finding another team to even give you that 6 million that the Yankees reportedly offered before signing Winn. Damon’s departure from the Yankees was self-inflicted.

  • NCpinstripes

    Good Lord please, enough with Damon already! He’s gone, and he ain’t coming back. Can we please move on.

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  • RobS44

    With HUGE bills coming due after the 2010 season (Jeter & Mo) it is hard to imagine Hal wanting to push some expenses for 2010 into 2011.

    • WIlliam

      You do realize Jeter and Mo are part of the payroll already. Do you really think there going to get more than they are all?

  • ryan

    please bring damon back winn gardner johnson all together arent the talent that damon is. losing matsui was terrible now damon isnt coming back, i dont see it them repeating with a downgraded offense from last year

    • WIlliam

      From the jumbled sentences you provided I have deduced, upon careful consideration, that you are an idiot.

      • John

        I agree. This offseason for the yanks was not what i expected, this guys not an idiot just a little dramatic on the fact that the yankees kinda screwed up. Yes they should have brought back matsui, yes at their own price, but Nick Johnson? Cmon. And the randy Winn thing dosent make me all that happy either.

  • pete luciano

    Any news on where Damon’s going and for how much. If he goes too cheap it’s going to make the Winn signing look really stupid and a waste of $2m that could have been used for Damon. I don’t understand the Winn signing when Cashman kept bloviating on and on about a righthanded bat when Winn set the poorest right handed batting numbers since 1954.

  • Mayor Koch

    Not one good conspiracy theory the whole thread??? What would be the best way to gain maximum leverage on Johnny Damon? Well fill up the roster and spend all the money. Now Cash has him just where he wants him. This was his plan all along. He has a side deal for Gardner with someone for something valuable (young outfielder maybe, could add any of Gaudin, Ramirez, Pena, Russo, Corona to sweeten deal) all set to go. Golson was picked up to replace Gardner (I know he is not as good but for a pinch runner/ defensive replacement he’ll do fine). All the knashing of teeth over Winn was because he might be the 3rd outfielder (warranted). But Cash knew all along he was going to just a 4th outfielder which is right in his wheelhouse. Winn comes in every night after Johnny’s 3rd or 4th at bat and he isn’t terrible with the stick if he comes up to the plate.

    I’m not suggesting this is what I’d do but I think sll signs point to an ingenious Cash plan.

  • Bo

    Sad to say but the ship has sailed.

    Does anyone think that if the Yankees wanted him he wouldnt have been signed?

    Cashman obviously didnt want him for whatever reason. We’re just going to pay the price for that during the season.

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  • Ben

    Alls i gotta say is wow. So many people(Yankee fans) are crying over Damons departure. They dont know how spoiled they are. Off the top of my head heres there lineup:
    SS Jeter
    DH Johnson
    1B Teixeira
    3B A-Rod
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    CF Granderson
    RF Swisher
    LF Winn
    Some fans would kill for this kinda of powerhouese in that stadium.
    Sure ill admit Cashman didnt hav the offseason he had last year but seriously ur(yankee fans) going to be uspet with this lineup. And i bet next year they’ll explode again in the market, despite the age of some guys, i expect them to be good, they have an all star almaost everywhere