Feb
03

Looking at minor league defense

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Sean at Pending Pinstripes is examining the Total Zone defensive ratings of the Yankees’ minor league teams from last season, one level at a time. Yesterday he covered the Rookie level GCL Yanks, and today he got to Short Season Staten Island. We’re dealing with small sample sizes at these levels, though it’s interesting to see how well (and how poorly) some guys performed in the field. Despite his 29 errors, Carmen Angelini actually graded out really well in Total Zone. Whether that suggests there’s a flaw with TZ or with the completely subjective nature of errors is a discussion for another day.

Make sure you check out Sean’s first two entries, and check back in for the rest of the series.

Categories : Asides, Defense, Minors
  • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

    They do a great job at PP. It is pretty strange seeing Angelini put up decent defensive numbers (at least according to TZ). I wonder if he put up similar numbers last year, or if there’s some correlation. If the numbers are far apart, it suggests it may have been a fluke (the number of errors would seem to imply this as well). 2008 saw Angelini with 273 outs out of 421 chances. He averaged out to a 0, or dead even.

    2009 saw him with a +12 at Staten Island with 143 POs in 200 chances. Charleston didn’t treat him as well: 66/111 equaling a -5. In short, even with a SSS, there’s no specific trend here. The errors suggest there’s something else wrong, even if his range is good. Throwing errors maybe? Simple transfer problems?

    Angelini is a strange case in general. According to Mike’s scouting report, he had good range to both sides, soft hands, and a strong arm. He had good speed and was “fundamentally sound.” In other words, he was a legit shortstop.

    Offensively, he supposedly was good at hitting breaking balls and had developing power. His main flaw might have been having his swing get a little long and being prone to the k. I don’t need to get into it, but the numbers don’t suggest those being the only flaws.

    I suppose the question is…what went wrong?

    • Rick in Boston

      I believe Mike has mentioned in the past, and that PP mentioned it in their article, that many of Angelini’s errors have been of the throwing variety. Maybe the Yankees just haven’t found a way to get him to set up correctly on his throws.

      So, say his range is very good, so he gets to balls that a number of other shortstops won’t. But what he doesn’t do is plant, then throw.

      If things don’t work out well for him at short, maybe a trip to left/center is in the cards? Get his bat going with a position change? Or, if he’s got such a good arm but can’t get the hitting/fielding part done, let’s see him on the mound. Totally hypothetical, but maybe it gets the job done.

      • pat

        Oops, that’s what I get for not hitting refresh before posting.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          (pours pat a tall refreshing glass of Pinstripe DFA IPA)

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        He could be rushing his throws. Maybe the game is just too fast for him at the pro level.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Let’s convert him to relief pitcher and make him the Heir to Mo.

        • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

          You think it might be a psychological problem or he misjudges how quickly the runner is moving and rushes it?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Both?

            • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

              Could be an eye problem if he has trouble with depth perception.

    • pat

      That dude Robert Pimpster goes to all the SI games and said that a majority of Angelini’s errors were of the throwing variety. He said it was Knoblauch-esque.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        If memory serves, the year Derek had those 56 errors in the minors, weren’t most of those throwing errors as well?

        Not saying that Angelini is Derek offensively, just exploring a defensive parallel.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Carmen Angelini doesn’t turn 22 until about the last week of this coming season.

    Sure, he should have already mastered Lo-A by now, but sometimes we forget how young some of these guys are. He still has a lot of time to put it together, if we keep the patience in him.

    • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

      No doubt. I have a lot of patience. Really, I do. But .218/.282/.283/.565 with a crazy-high amount of throwing errors doesn’t generally lend itself to breakout seasons.

      That’s Rich Aurilian-type offense with Knoblach-ian defense.

      Andy thinks he’ll bust out majorly this year. I can only hope so. Having a legit SS prospect in this system would be absolutely huge.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        But teh Eduardo Nunez!

        • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

          Meh, isn’t the knock on him that his defense is suspect?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Everything but the arm is suspect.

            • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

              Singles hitter with poor on-base skills, a strong arm and virtually no other pluses at D?

              His contact skills better be unreal for that to work out. Could a positional change to 2B help? CF?

              • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

                How about this: Move him to catcher.

                YOUR MIND IS BLOWN.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  8th inning reliever. Heir to Mo.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                He’s destined to be the next Tony Pena Jr., except without the bloodlines.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  AWESOME THAT’S–

                  Oh, you said Tony Peña Jr. Nevermind.

                • JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

                  How have the Royals not traded for him yet?!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I’d say the org has moved it’s hopes from Angelini to Garrison Lassiter, but he actually seems to be a clear notch behind Angelini defensively and they’re playing him at second and third. So, whatevs.

        The guy who intrigues me from these minor league writeups is DeAngelo Mack. I think we may have a minor coup on our hands with him, he’s got solid power and contact skills with good speed and above average corner OF defense. I’m hoping for a Ray Lankford/Bernard Gilkey/Ron Gant type talent here. He’s my new prospect crush.

        If he can handle CF this season, all the better.

        ———-

        Unrelated: Name change time?

        JMK aka The Overshare’s Garden Apartment Complex

        JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura.

        Build the brand, my friend. Think about it.

        • JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          I really can’t think of one MI prospect we have that’s all that exciting. It’s a shame, really. We have tons of “toolsy” catchers and a few outfielders but Multi-Pass is the only guy I even get a bit of a tickle from in the middle infield. Russo, Corona, Nunez, Lassiter are sort of meh.

          Mack supposedly has really strong wrists that enable him to generate power on pitches you wouldn’t expect to be hit a long way. Ron Gant seems like an apt comparison (as a best-case scenario).

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Don’t sleep on David Adams. He’s a solid second sacker prospect.

            • JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

              Totally forgot about him. Again, he’s a nice player, but like the rest, probably league average at best.

  • JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

    Done. I need to get out of the “basement” at some point anyway. You’re still going strong with Arch Torq? You could blend something like tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Bangwagon Movie Quote. Perhaps something with a Steve B. ego crusher?

    • JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      Nice to start off with a reply fail…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Steve B is beneath me. I’m not honoring his inanity with a namedrop shoutout.

      I’m gonna keep rocking Archimedes Torquemada for a while longer. At least until the spring game starts.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Steve B has since moved on to a happy place…

        • JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Hanging out with barry, smoking blunts with Afroman and speaking a in colloquialisms with touches of incorrect grammar nazi’ism?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          BanLand?

      • JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        Was he even chosen in Rule V?

  • Sean P

    Hey Mike, thanks for the shout out man, I appreciate it.

    Also thanks for everyone else who had nice things to say about PP. We really appreciate all your continued support.

    Thanks!

  • Christos

    I got the Pending Pinstripes iPod app