Open Thread: Granderson vs. Soriano

2010 Draft: Baseball America's Early Projection
The differences between Joba 2008 and Joba 2009

From all accounts, Curtis Granderson sounds like a really good guy. He always seems to have something positive to say. It came as no surprise, then, when he said that he has no problem playing left field if the Yankees choose to deploy Brett Gardner in center. And why would he? Center and left field are separated by a matter of yards. I’m sure Granderson can make the necessary adjustments when reading the ball off the bat.

When I read this story, I thought of the situation the Nationals faced in Spring Training 2006. In December 2005 they acquired Alfonso Soriano from the Rangers, even though they had Jose Vidro entrenched at second base. The plan, apparently, was to move Soriano to left field. He threw a hissy fit of sorts, refusing at first to make the switch. Apparently the Rangers also broached the topic of a position change, but were also met with resistance. Eventually, faced with the choice of playing left field or being placed on the disqualified list, which would have made him inactive without pay, Soriano acquiesced.

While changing outfield spots is a bit different than moving from the infield to the outfield, it’s quite nice to have the player quickly agree to such a move. Really, though, the player doesn’t, and shouldn’t, have much say in the matter. His contract doesn’t designate his position. It merely makes him part of the team. It’s at the team’s discretion where he plays. Clearly there are exceptions — I can see a player’s point if he signs a free-agent contract with a team, only to have them sign another player at the same position and expect the former player to move. But, for the most part, players are at the mercy of their employers’ decisions.

With that, this is your open thread for the evening. It looks like the Olympics are your only sporting choice. The NBA is off following the All-Star game, and the NHL players are all in Vancouver.

2010 Draft: Baseball America's Early Projection
The differences between Joba 2008 and Joba 2009
  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    Why is it so damn hard to show Olympic events live?

    • JGS

      It kinda made sense with Beijing, but there is really no excuse this time.

      Hopefully, ABC/ESPN will get the Olympics at some point

      • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

        I’m not sure networks are too interested in the olympics at this point. Isn’t NBC losing a fortune?

    • Cecala

      Why is womens Hockey getting airtime over speed skating and Downhill snowboard. NBC has 3 channels and this is the only thing we could watch and Canada is winning 6-1…

      • oborne

        because canada winning in canada is more important than america losing and whining

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    I’m guaranteeing a UConn upset of Nova tonight.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Haha, yeah right.

      • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

        They always play to the level of their opponent and a questionable call (or two) prevented them from beating Syracuse last week. Karma dictates a big upset tonight.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          That call was brutal.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

      Can both teams lose? Please?

      WHATTHEFUCKSYRACUSEHOWTHEFUCKCOULDYOULOSETOFUCKINGLOUVISILLEANDSCUMOFSHITPITINO!?!?

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Tell us how you really feel.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Is it just me or does it seem like Scottie Reynolds has been at ‘Nova forever?

    • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

      I think him and Harangody from Notre Dame are both 35 years old.

  • ultimate913

    “Clearly there are exceptions — I can see a player’s point if he signs a free-agent contract with a team, only to have them sign another player at the same position and expect the former player to move.”

    Reminds me of the Mike Lowell/Adrian Beltre situation.

    • radnom

      I think Joe meant the same offseason. Plus its not like the Sox are asking Lowell to move anywhere, they just replaced him because he isn’t healthy.

  • andrew

    Knicks nearing deal for McGrady

    McGrady, Joey Dorsey, Brian Cook for Jordan Hill, Jeffries, and either Harrington or Hughes plus draft picks

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Link? Tweet?

      • Tom Zig
        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          IETCVM

      • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

        “The New York Times reports Knicks president Donnie Walsh, Rockets general manager Daryl Morey and agent Arn Tellem got together Sunday to discuss the possibility of Tracy McGrady being shipped from Houston to New York.

        According to the newspaper, the teams are trying to make the trade without the assistance of a third team, but that might not be possible.

        “There’s still a chance,” one source tells the New York Post, regarding a McGrady-to-New York scenario without a third team involved.

        Another source also said there is a “50-50″ chance a deal could include a third team.”

        via Rumor Central

        • andrew

          Recent reports seem to indicate it is at more than 50/50, although i’m sure that’s how they want it to appear.

      • Nady Nation

        http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-knicksrocketstrade021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

        Seems a bit steep with the picks. But, clears $10M more worth of cap space next year. Lebron could choose whoever he wants to play with.

        • andrew

          Although if Amare/Jamison somebody else big goes to the Cavs, it will be tough to lure Lebron away

          • Nady Nation

            See the link below on Amare. I think the Cavs HAVE to win a title this year to ensure Lebron staying. Any trade will not be enough to retain him unless it pays immediate dividends.

            • camilo Gerardo

              wouldn’t an nba title in Cleveland make it easier for Lebron to move on? Cleveland finally gets a championship of some sort, and Lebron can go to a bigger market

  • bexarama

    I think I managed to convince my mom “clutch” doesn’t really exist, YES.

    Now to do:
    1. convince her WINS aren’t the best stat to judge pitchers by
    2. convince her Ichiro isn’t the greatest player ever because he bats .345 or whatever.

    • bexarama

      Also, what?:
      http://www.theyankeeu.com/2010/02/discussion-have-sabermetrics-gone-too-far-15074 (Thanks to The Yankee U.)

      I’m about as humanities-based a person that you can possibly be, and I love watching baseball. I also find sabermetrics pretty fascinating and not all that difficult to understand.

      • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

        I’m an English major, and in the two years I’ve been reading RAB, I’ve grown to love sabermetrics. When reading about some of the newer, more advanced metrics, I sometimes skim over sections that I have a hard time understanding, but I don’t have to completely understand how a stat works in order to understand its usefulness.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          I was an English major and grew to love metrics as well, and I think being an English major contributed to that. In reading books and writing papers, I was always searching for a more effective and more telling level of analysis that featured real and tangible evidence; that same objective is carried out by sabermetrics.

          • radnom


            I was always searching for a more effective and more telling level of analysis that featured real and tangible evidence

            I don’t think this skill has anything to do with being an English major, it is just something intelligent people do. It is more associated with science/math majors, because you can’t get by in those fields without it, as opposed to studying english….

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Yeah, math and science are more based in numerical data than English his. That doesn’t mean that higher level analysis isn’t used in reading a text. You can’t get by as an English major by taking everything at face value/using surface level analysis.

              • radnom

                Yes, but you can get by as an English major with a certain amount of BSing. This is not the case in mathematics.

    • Cecala

      Ichiro probably is not the greatest but he is definitely the most awesome. After all he did say this:

      “Chicks who dig home runs aren’t the ones who appeal to me,” he said. “I think there’s sexiness in infield hits because they require technique. I’d rather impress the chicks with my technique than with my brute strength. Then, every now and then, just to show I can do that, too, I might flirt a little by hitting one out.”

      • Tom Zig
        • bexarama

          That’s amazing, doesn’t he supposedly give a profanity-laden motivational speech to the AL before every All-Star Game too?

      • bexarama

        I’m convinced he hit that home run off of Mo just to be like “see, I CAN hit home runs, motherf-ckers!”

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          And if he can, he should.

    • Tom Zig

      Yeah every time I see debates about the best RFers over the past decade or whatever the time period the knuckleheads choose, Ichiro always gets mentioned. Now I know he is a phenomenal player, but does he really belong in the conversation?

      • Cecala

        Yes.

      • bexarama

        Yeah, he’s definitely up there, just because he’s been very productive and he’s lasted the entire time. Vlad might have been better, but he’s basically just a DH now. I feel like I’m having a brain fart on other good RF’ers over the past decade or so, but Ichiro should definitely be up there.

        He’s just, you know, not the best player EVER because of his crazy batting average.

        • Tom Zig

          Sheffield
          Sosa

          Sheffield isn’t a full time player any more, Sosa is out of the game

          • JGS

            Abreu is up there too–132 OPS+ for the decade

          • bexarama

            I also forgot our very own lovable Bobby Abreu. Dye was good in his peak, so was Magglio.

            • bexarama

              I feel like LF is a lot more stacked though. Bonds, Manny, Giles?, Berkman, Gonzo (ugh), Bay, Dunn, Matsui, Holliday, Crawford, plus guys like Burrell and Alou…

      • pete

        consistently over 110 wRC+ and over +10 UZR…he’s overrated offensively, sure, but he’s one of the few quality offensive RFers over the past decade who has also been a consistently awesome fielder. Don’t understate the importance of defense.

    • JGS

      well done. I would think convincing someone that wins aren’t the best stat to judge pitchers by would be harder than convincing someone clutch doesn’t exist though

      • radnom


        I would think convincing someone that wins aren’t the best stat to judge pitchers by would be harder than convincing someone clutch doesn’t exist though

        Really? I would think it would be much, much easier.

        Besides, I don’t think its even true that “clutch” doesn’t exist (unless you are talking about clutch as defined by the MSM).

        • JGS

          Joe Saunders and his 4.60 ERA had more wins than Tim Lincecum

          Heck, Alfredo Aceves had more than Joba

    • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

      Good luck. I’ve given up trying to convince my dad that clutch doesn’t exist.

      • bexarama

        My mom: (whining about Melky and how clutch he is and how much we will miss him)
        Me: It’s the bottom of the ninth. You’re down by a run, there are two outs and guys on second and third. Who do you want up in this situation, Melky or someone like Jeter or A-Rod?*
        My mom: … you have a point.

        * Thank God my mom has never been ridiculously dumb about A-Rod.

        • Tom Zig

          I’ll just miss his silliness. But that’ll all be forgotten when Javy posts a 120 ERA+.

    • Pasqua

      I, too, believe that “clutch” doesn’t exist. But, one of the only things I’ve ever been able to assume has a huge impact on a player’s performance – that cannot be measured in any way – is level of concentration. I’m sure some guys are able to zone in on what they need to do more easily than others, whose minds may wander.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    In Soriano’s defense, moving from 2B to LF had a high likelihood of costing him money down the line. He can price himself at a higher premium as a 40-40 middle infielder v. a 40-40 outfielder, as the former is much more rare. It also impacts future HoF candicady.

    Granderson moving 40 feet to the left is a much smaller downgrade, money/reputation/legacywise. It’s also less likely to be permanent.

    No surprise it’s less of an issue for My Man 100 Grand than it was for Sori.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      That’s why MY guy is Randy Winn. They sign him and tell him he might not start in favor of Brett frickin’ Gardner, and he doesn’t. Winn=team player.*

      *I’m not interested in logic, in case you’re wondering. Winn=MY GUY

    • Matt M.

      truth. its all about position value. montero is more valuable as a C than a 1b/DH.

      soriano knew damn well that he’d be more highly sought after if he was a middle infielder than a corner outfielder.

    • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

      Is the difference between center and left really that small though? Center field is more glamorous, and a center fielder with Granderson’s abilities should command a premium on the open market that a similar left fielder should not. Center fielders are also more likely to win awards like the gold glove, which, like it or not, do influence player evaluation and HOF voting.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        The gold glove is given to one player at each position.

        • JGS

          except the outfield one, which usually goes to three center fielders

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Just looked it up on wikipedia. You’re right, my bad.

          • bexarama

            two CFers and Ichiro, heh.

            • JGS

              well, Ichiro keeps winning on reputation

              • bexarama

                Ichiro is pretty much a very good defensive outfielder though, right? I know he’s not as good as Gutierrez, but it’s not a Torii Hunter situation where he gets Gold Gloves because he robbed a home run from someone that one time?

                • JGS

                  Yea, he is still a good outfielder, but the fact that he keeps winning Gold Gloves even though he isn’t a CF anymore is due to reputation.

                  and all Gold Gloves are awarded because the fielder robs someone some time. They are voted on by managers and coaches

        • Bonos

          Not in the OF.

  • lardin

    has anyone heard Arod gripe about moving to third? I think that gets overlooked sometimes.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I agree. That was a big sacrifice that A-Rod made just so that he would have a chance to play on the Yankees.

      He’s still HOF’er as a 3b, and maybe the best 3b of all time, but if he stayed at SS he would be the slam dunk, no contest best SS of all time by the time he ended his career.

    • JGS

      that would require praising A-rod. A lot of writers find that hard to do

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He volunteered to move to third to facilitate the trade.

      • lardin

        whats the difference between that and Granderson willing to play either LF or CF?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Well, a lot. If A-Rod wanted to stay at short and stuck to his guns, he wouldn’t be a Yankee.

    • Tom Zig

      He also had to change his number from 3 to 13. But I guess that kind of goes without saying.

  • Neil

    The question is: Will jeter throw a hissy fir when HE has to move off SS?

    • Neil

      *fit

    • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

      Never gonna happen.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      He won’t.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      There’s a better shot I cure AIDS than Jeter moves off SS.

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    When is the NBA trade deadline? I’m curious if Cleveland does anything. They should trade Shaq to Boston for Ray Allen, then Ilgauskas and spare parts to the Suns for Amare.

    Lebron, Allen, Amare, Mo Williams= not bad.

    • Nady Nation

      Deadline is Thursday. Not so fast on Amare…

      http://news-herald.com/articles/2010/02/15/sports/nh2098390.txt

      • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

        Think Bosh is available or is Toronto going to go for broke this year and let him walk?

        • Nady Nation

          No chance he gets dealt by Thursday. They’ll ride it out with him this season and if they can’t resign him, they could work a sign and trade come July.

    • Zack

      Why would the C’s accept Shaq for Allen?

      • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

        They need a big man and they seem to hate Ray Allen despite the fact that he’s the 2nd best player on the team to Rondo.

        • Zack

          And I dont know who seems to hate Ray? Are you saying that just because he’s in trade rumors?

          Shaq for Ray doesnt help them this year or in the future.
          They want to move Ray because if they keep him and he walks away then they are still over the salary cap, and can only sign someone to the mid-level exception, or resign Ray. So they are trying to get value for his contract, get a player who is under contract and younger- thats why we’ve heard Monta Ellis, Kevin Martin, Andre Iguodala, Caron Butler, etc.

          • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

            In general I just think the C’s front office slurps KG and Pierce (who I have an unnatural hatred for) and does its best to hang Allen and Rondo out to dry.

            It should be noted that I have no empirical evidence, just my humble opinion.

            • Zack

              They suck up to KG and PP yes; what do you expect? But I never heard them say anything bad about Ray though.

              And for Rondo, well his game is far from perfect. Shooting 59.1% for FTs, Dwight Howard is at 60.3%, that’s pathetic for Rondo. And there are times where they call TO during the game, set up a play, then the ball goes in and Rondo somehow ends up taking a jump shot.

        • Hey Yo

          The Celts seem to hate Ray Allen?
          Is this a blog or a kiddie forum?

  • Bonos

    I don’t want to embarrass anyone but on a previous thread someone quoted Sports Illustrated as an authority that Defense counted as half of Offense. Now I always thought scores were in numbers. As in all the offense in the world doesn’t win in a no hitter. That is all.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      What does that even mean?

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Also, defense is worth half of offense, but offense is nowhere near as valuable as pitching.

        • Bonos

          Right…. Pitchers and defense are mutually inclusive. The pitcher is point on defense. Sorry to intrude people. As you were, all in lockstep.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            No, they’re not. Pitching and defense are two seperate entities. I agree that hitting is less valuable than pitching, but it is still more valuable than defense.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Well, pitching and defense are both part of run prevention so they are linked. I’d say defense has more of an impact on pitching than pitching has on defense–that is, a defense can make a pitcher look good (see: Washburn, Jarrod in first half of 2009 season) but it’s hard for a pitcher to make a defense look good.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                It has an impact on pitching. It is not the same thing.

                Also, what you said.

                • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                  No, they’re not the same thing, just like base running and hitting aren’t the same things. However, defense and pitching are both part of run prevention like base running and hitting are parts of run scoring.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  We agree, we’re just saying it in different ways.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Using no hitters, freak occurrences, to defend your defense > offense stance is rather silly.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Get.
        Out.
        Of.
        My.
        Head.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      What does that even mean?

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Hahahahahahaha

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Jinx. Buy me a Coke.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Yeah right. I don’t believe in jinxes.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Did you mean that no amount of offense can pitch a no hitter? Is that what you were going for?

      • Bonos

        You’ve written some good stuff on your site. But I guess irony is not your metier. A delicate touch is considered most effective. A little clumsy there.

        • pete

          you’re trying too hard. it’s not working.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    This halftime seems rather long, no?

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Excellent piece by Mike on Hughes today. What an obscure rule, great job of finding and explaining it.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Thank you kindly.

  • bexarama

    In my ongoing quest to find awful, awful articles:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=4584376&sportCat=mlb

    I’m not rooting for the Phillies (I’ll let John Kruk do the secret cheering), but I can see why you could. In fact, I can see why you should.
    I’m not rooting for the Phillies. I’m just writing an article telling why you should root for the Phillies, and not root for the Yankees. (Also, this article was written when the Yankees had a 3-1 lead but still hadn’t won the ALCS, so if the Angels had come back to win it, it would have looked fantastically stupid.)

    • bexarama

      Actually, if you look in the archives and read that guy’s articles about the World Series, they’re all amazingly terrible.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Stupid, stupid foul, Stanley.

    • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

      why do all post players think they can dribble in the paint??

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Since Bexy brought up the Phillies, does anyone else think the Halladay trade was a real head scratcher from the Phillies point of view? I mean, why give up your best pitching prospect, one of your top positional prospects for Roy Halladay, and then be forced to deal Lee for less than you paid for him a few months ago?

    Why not just keep Lee (and Drabek+) compete this year, then let him go FA and take the draft picks? It just seems like the MLB club made a lateral move and the farm was depleted, unless I’m missing something.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I thought that too. It was a weird move.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I agree with this.

    • bexarama

      I am excited that I have a nickname. And, I agree with this, but I think Amaro was in love with Halladay from the start (by that I mean, since the trade deadline last year) and really, really wanted him on the team, and was willing to do pretty much anything to get him on the Phillies.

      • bexarama

        Also, the number of Philly fans that act like Cliff Lee > Roy Halladay make me, uhhh, semi-upset (these are people that don’t care about the prospects).

        • JGS

          over/under Halladay’s ERA: 2.50

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Be careful, that’s a bandbox. Low 3’s would be tremendous in Citizens bank.

            • JGS

              for what it’s worth (not much, considering the sample size) he put up a 2.52 in Philly (2.41 if you count the playoffs. That pushes the sample up to 59.2 innings)

              • JGS

                “He” being Lee

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              I’d be disappointed if he had an ERA in the threes. He had a two-something ERA in the AL East. He’s not facing the Sox and Yanks anymore, and he’s on the team with the best offense in the division. It’s a bandbox, but it’s not going to raise his ERA half a run despite switching leagues.

          • bexarama

            I’ll take the under (not far under, but under). He’s wearing 34 for the number of wins he’s gonna have next year. ;)

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        That entire move seemed predicated on the belief that Lee was unsignable by the Phillies. Then the minute after he’s traded, Lee goes around saying he’s upset that he was traded, loved it in Philly and would have gladly signed an extension, implying that his agent was just playing hardball.

        Either Lee is VERY PR savvy (which I doubt, he has no motive to be) or you’re 100% right. Amaro got caught up in acquiring Halladay and wound up making a deal that didn’t make much sense.

        • bexarama

          Lee didn’t just say he was upset, he sounded and looked pretty darn devastated if you’ve seen interviews with the guy. Yeah, I don’t love reading into baseball players’ actions/behaviors, because I’ve heard way too many analysts go on about A-Rod’s gum smacking and Jeter’s calm eyes over the years, but unless he’s a really good actor and very conniving, he was being genuine. I mean, in his short time there, he was basically a god in Philly.

          Of course, they’ll probably forget about him when Halladay goes like 35-2.

          • bexarama

            I also think that, like V-Mart, Cliff Lee has a young family that he doesn’t want to move around a whole lot. Obviously he’s a professional so he’ll do whatever is asked of him, but being asked to go from Philly to Seattle when you’re totally not expecting it can be a little startling.

    • JGS

      Agreed

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I would have kept Lee and traded for Doc. If Amaro wasn’t so retarded that he gave Jamie Moyer a two year deal, that’s what, 90% of Lee’s 2010 salary right there.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I still can’t Amaro gave Moyer two years.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Worst. Sentence. Ever.

          I still can’t believe Amaro gave Moyer two years.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Amaro=verb.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Ugh. I had to teach a NINTH GRADER the difference between nouns and verbs today. It was frustrating.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                Seriously?

                How do you make it to the 9th grade w/o knowing the difference between nouns and verbs?

                • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                  That’s nothing; there’s a girl in 10th grade at the center who reads at a third grade level.

                • bexarama

                  I worked in the Writing Center at my college, and I hate to talk like this but I went to a good college, and there was someone who came in quite a bit who was rather infamous because he “did not believe” in verbs.

                • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

                  I’m glad people from my grade are proving people wrong that we aren’t all horrendously retarded.

                  /bosimplification’d

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            From an English major, no less.

    • Accent Shallow

      http://blogs.delawareonline.com/philledin/2010/02/02/amaro-im-not-a-dummy/

      Amaro does sorta explain his reasoning, but I don’t buy it for a second.

    • pete

      It does seem a little strange, but i’d be willing to bet that the next 3 years of Halladay + NL >> the next 3 years of Lee. What I mean is, I think they were trying to marginally upgrade but more importantly import a stable ace for the next couple years, rather than try to put together teh greatest team evah. When you look at the Phils right now, do you really say to yourself “damn that team’s going nowhere, they should have kept Lee”? No, you say “lucky bastards. I wish we played in the NL East. Fuckers”.

      To me, I think it’s somewhat analogous to Damon situation with the yankees. While they could have feasibly made financial room for him, the diminishing marginal returns of keeping him was not worth going over-budget. The Phils felt that a minor upgrade (from Lee to Halladay) was a worthwhile investment, as long as their system was replenished afterwards, and trading Lee was the best way they could do that. Now if you want to argue particulars, I do feel that there is an argument to be made about how much more they gave up for Halladay than they got for Lee, but when you think about it, Halladay is a HoF caliber pitcher, Lee is not.

      The one really strong argument against letting Lee go, I think, is the postseason factor. Halladay/Lee would be a pretty ridiculous 1-2, and pushing Hamels and Happ to #3 and #4 would make the team a very, very formidable October opponent. But then again, is it worth going over budget for the upgrade from Hamels to Lee for a few starts in the postseason? Considering the anything-can-happen nature of the playoffs, I guess the Phillies have decided that it isn’t. Not saying I agree, but their offseason wasn’t a total headscratcher.

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    Why is this game clock moving so slowly???

    • pete

      something about a microwave taco or something like that? i’m too drunk to remember

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    This is me getting nervous.

    T-Dubs: talk me down.

    • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

      If only i could sir. It’s strange but I’ve missed this heart attack feeling this season. Kinda nice in a masochistic way.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I feel like I’ve followed much less closely this year, mostly ’cause I’m not on campus anymore, but I still feel similar intensity when I watch.

        And how was that not traveling? Holy shnikes.

        • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

          Eh, the replay looked like the ball was on the ground instead of in his hands when he hit the deck. It seems they never call traveling there.

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    Baaaaah Dyson! Free Throws!!!!!!

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I’ve never quite understood how a team with a coach as intense as Calhoun is such a poor free throw shooting team year in and year out.

      • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

        You and me both. I can see it with big men. I think Okafor shot in the 50’s or 60’s. But guards that can’t shoot 3s or make free throws are always so frustrating. If Denham Brown was on last year’s team they’d have been champions.

  • Hey ZZ

    “My guess is that they’ll stick with Granderson in center field for practical reasons. The Yankees can always move him to left field. But once there, it might be problematic to return him to center if, say, they signed a new left fielder next winter. It’s pretty obvious that the organization doesn’t care about defense. That’s why they’ve got all those high-strikeout pitchers. They can carry Granderson’s decent glove in center for at least one season and probably more.”

    I agree with Neyer on keeping Grandy in center, but what the hell is he talking about here???

    • bexarama

      We should be playing Pena instead of Jeter and signed Beltre to play third while keeping A-Rod on the bench for pinch-hitting obvs.

      So our organization isn’t running around screaming “PITCHING AND DEFENSE, PITCHING AND DEFENSE!!!!” like Boston, Oakland, and Seattle. That doesn’t mean we “don’t care” about it.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      So, we got high strikeout pitchers in order to minimze the amount of time our players actually handle the ball?

      If Neyer thinks about that sentence for a second, he’ll realize how utterly ludicrous it really is. Does he know how many balls are put into play every year?

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      Obvious? How the hell is that obvious? Most of the positions have above average defenders…

      it’s not Mariner-esque but it’s still good.

    • pete

      the weird thing is, other than that bizarre statement that “the organization doesn’t care about defense”, his logic is spot on – moving granderson to left field immediately would have a prohibitive effect on the future, as it could make him worse in center if/when he was to move back, since it would be easier for the yankees to find a new LF than a new CF. Having a lot of high-K guys in the rotation also reduces the negative impact this could potentially have since fewer balls will be put in play, making it make all the more sense that Grandy stay in center until/unless Gardner proves himself capable of being an everyday player.

      Granderson figures to be more likely than not the team’s 2nd best defensive CF, so any day that gardner wasn’t playing, he’d have to move back to center. This could be a perfectly fine deployment of their defensive abilities, but who among us really knows the effect that moving back and forth from LF to CF could have on a player’s defense at either position? My guess is that the yanks’ decision will be made with that in mind, and that they’ll have a much better idea of the answer to that question than we do.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Woo! Nice W, Huskies. I’m sorry for doubting you.

    • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

      this feeling is soooo good.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Think they’ll need to win out the season to get into the tourney?

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

    I will refer you to the top of this post for T-Dub’s guarantee of victory.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Good episode of 24 so far.

  • Reggie C.

    So is McGrady a Knick yet? And is JORDAN HILL really going to be part of the trade package??

    Damn… The GM is all but admitting he fucking wasted last year’s first round pick. Ty Lawson. Brandon Jennings. I’ll be really pissed if Hill gets traded.

    There’s got to be a way to jettison Jeffries w/out giving up Hill.

    • donttradecano

      The knicks demand for a 2010 first rounder is holding up the trade.

      Your looking at 17-20 million commited salary for next year with this trade and the denouncing of Lees bird rights.

      you make the deal you have about 23 mill commited (after the roster filler spots and two 2nd rounders) which leaves 32-35 mill in cap space. If the cap drops to 55 like expected, max lebron could get is 16.5, leaving 16 mill in cap space with a 55 mill cap, 21 mill in cap space with a 58 mill cap.

      now lets hypothetically say lebron and bosh come, eating up the cap space. you go over to resign tmac, since you have his bird rights. thats 8-10 rostered players if they keep both their second round picks. Fill the last two with no names.

      PG: Douglas
      SG: Tmac
      SF:Lebron.
      PF: Gallinari
      C: Bosh

      however, if you get the first round pick (14th overall) your in Xavier Henry, Damion James territory.

      • Reggie C.

        So resigning Tmac wouldn’t count against the cap? I’m not solid on NBA cap rules, but i’d rather see Joe Johnson as the SG + Lebron. Keep Lee as the C.

        I still see a massive exploitative weakness out of the PG position. Do you think the Knicks get the 1st rounder and complete the deal?

        • donttradecano

          they would be able to go over the cap to resign him as long as they sign him last because they will own his bird rights.

          As for the first rounder, eh its 50-50. But they have two 2nd rounders which:

          a) could be used to trade into the first
          b) take scotty reynolds in the second

          or they could just buy a first round pick ala tony douglas

          • Zack

            Is there a date that they need to use the early bird rights by? Like, can they hit FA, spend up to the cap then re-sign TMac- or do they lose the early bird rights once FA officially hits?

            • donttradecano

              No but their is a cap hold for the player that i just realized. Not 100% sure how it would work.

    • Nady Nation

      It’s not admitting Hill was a waste of a pick – it’s using Hill as an asset to get Jeffries off the cap. Clearly, there’s no way to get rid of Jeffries without including Hill, or else Donnie would’ve done that

      • Reggie C.

        That’s not how i’m going to see it, and 1st round picks just dont get traded a half season in. Its a clear admission that Hill had no fit to the future of the roster, and so that’s a damn close enough admission that the pick was faulty from the get-go. If Jennings or Lawson were on the squad, this trade likely looks different or simply doesnt happen.

        • Nady Nation

          Exactly – the trade doesn’t happen, meaning we don’t have enough money for 2 max FA’s. If this trade enables us to sign Bosh with Lebron, are you really going to say that the draft pick of Hill was a failure?

          And what is Jennings shooting since December? 35%?

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Snow already falling in Bayside, right on schedule.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Apparently the speed skating track is a fuckin’ mess. This is not going well for the Canadians.

  • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

    I saw this being discussed a lot recently.

    Over/under Mets winning 90 games?

    I say under, and it’s not that particularly close either.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Is this seriously a question? The over/under should be 500.

    • Tom Zig

      90? Wow. That’s pretty high. They have a pretty good lineup if Beltran and Reyes recover. But that starting rotation gives me the heebie jeebies.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Right. Even if by the grave of Mo they made the playoffs, that rotation stands no chance.

    • Jose

      Way under. They will not finish above .500

    • bexarama

      Definitely under, but IF everyone is healthy, they’re at least a .500 club. I think they’ll win a number of games in the low 80s.

      Last year was about as bad as you could get for that franchise in terms of absolutely EVERYTHING, and they still won 72 games. Do I think they could win 82 if they get their collective sh-t together? Yeah.

      • Zack

        82 games is still a massive failure for the highest spending team in the NL. Another year wasted of Johan, Reyes, Wright and Beltran.

        • bexarama

          I definitely agree with this but if I was a Met fan, I’d almost rather have a year like 2009 (which was at least hilarious in a sort of tragic way) than 2007 or 2008, which were heartbreakers.

          • Zack

            Yeah atleast they had excuses last year. Even if the team is healthy this year, they’ll still not making the playoffs, they probably have a good chance of coming in 3rd.

            Johan-Pelfry-Maine-Perez-Niese/whoever? Ugly.

            • bexarama

              I can see them coming in third. If Wright figures out how to hit in Citi, their offense isn’t bad, and it’s the NL. No one is that damn good. There’s no way they’re winning their division or the Wild Card, but I’ve seen people saying they’re worse than THE NATIONALS. No way.

              I read a Met fan blog that said that everyone was sleeping on the Mets and the Mets’ rotation was better than the Phillies’ and the Mets’ offense was better than the Phillies’. Oh… oh, dear.

            • bexarama

              Also, was Niese the one that basically shut us down the day after the HE DROPPED THE BALL game, or was that Nieve? Because that game was irritating (but then we beat up Johan Santana so I forgot about it).

              • Zack

                Nieve.

        • bexarama

          Is Beltran even gonna start this year?

          • Zack

            Pretty sure he’s out until atleast May (it’s the Mets so probably July), and next year is his next year under contract.

            • bexarama

              They’re calling it cramps, surgery on Thursday.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            He’s going to take his sweet ass time going back. He’s a FA after 2011, last thing he wants to do is rush back and risk re-injuring himself before his last shot at a big payday.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    Fun fact of the day.

    John Lackey has been horrendous in Fenway park.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=lackejo01&year=Career&t=p#site

    Obviously, that’s facing the Red Sox. But as a Righty with a career 1.21 GB/FB ratio, he’s going to have to reinvent himself in that ballpark. Fenway is unforgiving on Righties who give up lots of fly balls.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Lefties, never mind. He’s still been bad there.

      • Zack

        3rd game of the season is his first start in Fenway, against the Yankees. Wonder if they’ll give him a pass if he sucks it up.

        • bexarama

          No way.

          • Zack

            I bet they do, it’s Boston they dont bash players until they leave.

            • bexarama

              i lol’ed but IT’S YANKEES/RED SOX!!! YOU BETTER HIT A HOME RUN EVERY TIME YOU’RE UP OR ELSE YOU’RE A CHOKER!!! NO EXCUSES!!!!!

            • JGS

              Yea–if Lackey and Vazquez both screw up their first starts against each other, there will be many articles about how it’s too early to judge Lackey but Vazquez is a choke artist and it’s 2004 all over again

              • bexarama

                I don’t think I’ve EVER wanted a Yankee pitcher to pitch a complete game shutout in their first game more than I’ve wanted Javy to do in 2010.

                • JGS

                  it would be nice, but it won’t matter. Any bad game he has all year will elicit that knee-jerk response

                • bexarama

                  Absolutely. And it’s going to be really, really annoying.

                  It’s okay though, because he’s not gonna have any bad games. ;)

                • JGS

                  + whatever number Vazquez got

          • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

            Some fans might. The media sure as hell will praise him for at least giving a fight to the hated Yankees.

            Even if the Yanks sweep they’ll praise Boston somehow.

            • bexarama

              Heh, Beckett got a standing O after giving up like 7 runs in 3 innings in the Boston Massacre series in 2006.

              • JGS

                9 runs in 5.2

                Josh Beckett against the Yankees: 5.33 ERA, 1.439 WHIP

                • bexarama

                  You have no idea how many times I’ve heard people say “Beckett is a Yankee-killer” and corrected them.

                • JGS

                  Red Sox pitchers vs. NYY

                  Lester: 3.88, 1.377
                  Beckett: 5.33, 1.419
                  Lackey: 4.66, 1.534
                  Buchholz: 5.75, 1.723
                  Matsuzaka: 5.49, 1.561
                  Wakefield: 5.02, 1.433

                  Confidence Level: 11

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Did he walk like, 9 guys in that game?

    • JGS

      eh–AJ Burnett was untouchable there until this year

      • bexarama

        Yeah, this. I’m pretty sure the ~Red Sox Fenway Magic~ will get to Lackey.

    • bexarama

      Wow, he kinda sucked against Texas, too. Really good against Seattle, though.

      • bexarama

        or at least IN Texas and Seattle.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Lackey almost no hit the Sox in Fenway in 2008. I remember because everyone got on Manny because he didn’t run hard down the line while his team was being no hit. It wasn’t long before they traded him.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200807290.shtml

  • joe

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100215&content_id=8077296&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

    ahh there’s nothing like the pitiful attempts at baseball news between the hot stove and pitchers and catchers

  • YankeesJunkie

    So I was doing an excel sheet of the Yankees payroll over the next few years of guaranteed contracts and it looks like the Yankees are going to under 200 million by 3-5 million if you pro rate all the minor leaguers I added on.

    Players 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017
    Alex Rodriguez 32 31 29 28 25 21 20 20
    CC Sabathia 23 23 23 23 23 23
    Mark Teixeira 20 22.5 22.5 22.5 22.5 22.5 22.5 22.5
    Derek Jeter 21
    AJ Burnett 16.5 16.5 16.5 16.5
    Mariano Rivera 15
    Jorge Posada 13.1 13.1
    Andy Pettitte 11.75
    Robinson Cano 9 10 14 15
    Nick Swisher 6.75 9 10.25
    Curtis Granderson 5.5 8.25 10 13
    Nick Johnson 5.75 5.5
    Damaso Marte 4 4 4
    Chad Gaudin 2.95
    Sergio Mitre 0.85
    Andrew Brackman 0.4
    Juan miranda 0.4
    Joba Chamberlain 0.8
    Edwar Ramirez 0.4
    Brett Gardner 0.5
    Jason Hirsch 0.4
    Phil Hughes 0.7
    David Robertson 0.7
    Boone Logan 0.59
    Alfredo Aceves 0.8
    Jonathan Albaladejo 0.5
    Romulo Sanchez 0.4
    Francisco Cervelli 0.5
    Reggie Corona 0.4
    Wilkins Dela Rosa 0.4
    Chris Garcia 0.4
    Randy Winn 1.1
    Jaime Hoffman 0.4
    Mark Melancon 0.4
    Hector Noesi 0.4
    Ivan Nova 0.4
    Eduardo Nunez 0.4
    Ramiro Pena 0.4
    Kevin Russo 0.4
    Total 199.34 142.85 129.25 118 70.5 66.5 42.5 42.5

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      Javy.

      • YankeesJunkie

        Damn it.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      I did a rough calculation after the Winn signing and came up with around 203.

  • Dirt

    So what’s the news on that RAB iPhone app? Did I miss it or is it a secret, no go?

  • Tom Zig

    http://tinyurl.com/yfzch8u

    Really? Signed by Tyler Clippard? Really?