Open Thread: Know the players by their new numbers
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CC Sabathia, Bullpen Coach Mike Harkey and Pitching Coach Dave Eiland watch Phil Hughes throw today in Tampa. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)
That’s a great looking photo up there. The pitchers and catchers officially arrived at Steinbrenner Field in Tampa this morning and got right to work. We love to celebrate the return of baseball, even if it’s just for a few hours of bullpen work each day, and over the next few weeks, the team will start to take the field in preparation for Opening Day.
Meanwhile, for number-watchers, today was a big day. The Yanks finally filled in the holes on their active roster, and all of the new guys and some of the old ones have new numbers. With so many non-roster invitees in camp and so many numbers retired, the Yankees have guys wearing everything from 2 to Colin Curtis‘ 98 in camp.
The most symbolic change this year will be the number on Joe Girardi‘s back. For the past two seasons, the Yanks’ skipper has donned 27 in his quest for the franchise’s 27th World Championship. With the trophy secured, Girardi will wear number 28 this year in the hunt for his next trophy. Girardi will be set until the Yanks win their 31st World Series title. Elston Howard’s number won’t come off the wall.
Meanwhile, some of the late-winter additions not noteworthy enough to warrant a press conference as Number 14 Curtis Granderson did picked out their numbers. Randy Winn has 22 on his back. Most recently, Xavier Nady and LaTroy Hawkins had donned Roger Clemens’ old number. Looking to buck with the past, Javier Vazquez has 31, last donned by Michael Dunn. Those 33 Vazquez shirts from 2004 won’t come in handy. Another once and current Yankee, Nick Johnson, has opted for 27. He last wore 36 but didn’t want to fight Edwar Ramirez for it. Kei Igawa, the not-so-proud former owner of 27, will switch to 17, says Bryan Hoch.
On the minor league front, two dueling outfielders have numbers that should tell you about their chances of making the team. Marcus Thames gets the well-travelled 38 — five former Yankees over the last two years, including Brian Bruney and Ian Kennedy in 2009, have worn it — while Jamie Hoffmann has been saddled with 73. A number that high is usually the Spring Training equivalent of a red shirt on the old Star Trek TV show.
Also of note are a bunch of the Yanks’ top prospects. Jesus Montero and Austin Romine will wear 83 and 84 respectively. Zach McAllister and Jeremy Bleich have 80 and 82. The youngest guy in camp, Kyle Higashioka, born in April 1990, will wear 92.
Finally, we have the numbers that are obviously missing from the uniforms this spring. The Yankees have again held back Joe Torre’s 6, Paul O’Neill’s 21 and Bernie Williams‘ 51. Johnny Damon‘s 18 remains on the shelf and so does Hideki Matsui‘s 55. Of those numbers, the 6 and the 51 should probably be retired while the other three can be returned to circulation.
Anyway, here’s your open thread for the evening. Some NBA trades involving the Knicks are going down. NBC’s botched Olympics coverage will be on. In local action, the Nets and Knicks both play at home at 7:30. Be good to each other.
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Dude. Suits are way too effing expensive. Seriously.
http://www.kgstores.com
You’re welcome.
New York City is the capital of cheap clothing. Where did you end up going suit shopping?
Nitpick: New York City is the local capital of cheap clothing.
China is the international capital of cheap clothing. Go to the source, my friend. I’m saving up to go to Beijing soon. Go to the market, buy raw fabric for pennies, take it to the tailor, and get a $1000 suit for $30 flat.
My ticket will quickly pay for itself.
Banana Republic.
I could have gotten something cheap, sure, but I’d rather just get something I figure is going to last a while.
Next time check out Syms or a wholesaler. You can get the same quality for 25-50 percent of the cost. I like Banana’s stuff and have a suit of theirs, but you’re definitely paying for a label.
Good advice. I asked some family members where I should go; they said BR so to BR I went
Banana Republic is a waste. It’s literally like the worst possible place to shop for anything. You’re paying 40-100% more than you should for the quality of what you’re getting.
Hey man, I just followed the advice I was given. And I knew where it was and had to do it on some really short notice.
So if you were given advice to jump off a bridge…….im kidding
Crowdsource it next time. I’m sure your myriad Twitter followers know of some great deals on clothing in NYC.
“Crowdsourcing” is an awesome new portmanteau. Great addition to the lexicon.
Syms bash = amazingness
got a tux there for $60
The most symbolic change this year will be the number on Joe Girardi’s back. For the past two seasons, the Yanks’ skipper has donned 27 in his quest for the franchise’s 27th World Championship. With the trophy secured, Girardi will wear number 28 this year in the hunt for his next trophy.
Kei Igawa getting #27 is also symbolic.
It means he’s in the past.
IETC
#75 Ivan Nova
Bad. Assssssssss.
that was mean joe greenes number from the steelers, so yeah your right, Bad Ass
“It supports my name, like a shelf”
/Zito
Jesus Montero and Austin Romine will wear 83 and 84 respectively.
Would buying a Montero shirt with number 83 be a risky investment?
/impatient’d
Got a picture! http://tinyurl.com/ya4kv8r
Paul O’Neill’s number is getting retired. I think that’s a pretty safe assumption at this point. The fanbase is never letting that one go.
With pitchers & catchers reporting today, it did feel a tad bit warmer — for a minute, anyway. Then I stepped outside and got bitchslapped by Old Man Winter.
*looks longingly at calendar*
I loved Paul when he played, but his 21 will be right up there with Reggie’s and Guidry’s numbers on the list of those that shouldn’t be retired.
totally. No one is saying retire 24 or 18 (for Scotty Bro).
In fairness, O’Neill deserves it more than those guys. Not that he deserves it in general, but more than those guys.
Why? I’m not trying to be obnoxious about this, I’m just genuinely curious as to why people think O’Neill’s number is more retirement-worthy than, say, Tino’s. They were all incredibly important parts of those dynasty teams. I love them all, and some day I will probably bore my future children silly talking about them. But don’t retire their numbers.
Well for one thing Paul was there much longer then Tino, right ?
Exactly.
Again, I would like to point out that O’Neill shouldn’t be retired. But he is (and should be) the 2nd most likely of the retired players from those teams.
Wow, how was I unaware Paul was on the Yankees as early as 1993? I thought he came over like just prior to 1994. My bad.
I can understand the RETIRE #21 a little more now, though I think most of the people that want it retired want it retired because O’Neill used to argue called strike threes and beat up water coolers (I love you, Paulie.).
If anything, Graig Nettles deserves to have his #9 retired (or, co-retired since it’s already up there in dubious fashion) more than Paulie deserves to have his #21 on the wall.
(h/t to the RAB regulars who have convinced me to start pimping Nettles. He’s underrated… more on this later.)
Stop refusing to issue #21… start refusing to issue #11.
Lefty Gomez and Red Ruffing >>>>>>>>> Paulie Walnuts
Retire ASAP: #11, #15, #51
Start issuing immediately: #6, #18, #35, #55
Charlie Keller. I am founding the “Why Doesn’t Anyone Know Much Less Appreciate Charlie Keller” club.
WDAKMLACK?!?!?
15 already is retired
I know. It should be retired twice, just like #8.
Red Ruffing was the balls.
This.
Paul O’Neill may not be a hall of famer but he certainly deserves his number retired somewhere, and it should be in the bronx. Bernie and Paul were the two out of the crop of now retired players from the dynasty years that should be retired. If Reggie is retired O’Neill is retired.
What’s with all the bitterness about Torre, we won the ship post-torre and the guy wrote a book that no one talks about anymore, big deal…What we do talk about are the 4 championships and 1,000 plus wins we all enjoyed.
Manager of a dynasty= Number retired
He will go into the hall of fame wearing a yankee hat…done deal
Paul O’Neill’s number is getting retired. I think that’s a pretty safe assumption at this point. The fanbase is never letting that one go.
The Yankee fanbase: Stupid f#$%&ing idiots.
Vulgarity added for emphasis. No, I disagree, I think #21 never gets retired. Nor should it. It’ll get issued eventually, to a great player that won’t drive the fanbase batty with their ignorant anti-intellectualism.
My suggestion:
#21 – Jesus Montero.
Your mind is blown.
I very much agree with this.
2, 42 – no-brainers.
6 – would be a no-brainer if not for the little “he wrote a book that smeared Yankee management” thing. I won’t mind if they don’t retire it.
51, 20, 46 – borderline; I think I’d whine if they didn’t, but I wouldn’t boo anyone who wore these numbers. Because that’s dumb.
Paul O’Neill is like Tino and Scotty to me. I will always, always, always love him and appreciate what he did for the Yankees. But don’t retire his number.
I wouldn’t boo anyone who wore 2 or 42 either (not that anyone will, or even should). That’s just silly
Here’s the breakdown, IMO:
Currently issued and should be retired the freaking moment the player retires:
2, 13, 20, 42
Currently issued but should be removed from rotation and retired:
11
Currently retired but should be re-retired:
15
Currently not issued, should be retired:
51
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Currently not issued but should be issued:
6, 18, 21, 35, 55
Currently issued and probably should be issued and NOT retired:
46
Agreed on all counts, but I could be convinced Bernie’s number should not be retired. Could be. Injuries make it tough to say.
But. Teh. Fear.
Rae “Feared” Caruth will be in the NFLHOF some day. Maybe you’ll find that article on a certain blog some day. Maybe.
/teaser’d
tsjc – where do you stand on # 49?
And you’re right, Red Ruffing and Lefty Gomez are two of the top five pitchers in Yankee history. Ruffing at #2 right after Ford.
tsjc – where do you stand on # 49?
Whatever happened, happened.
/Lost’d
Guidry’s number – retire, or no? I’m on the fence, and it hurts my ass.
It’s already retired. Moot.
We’re not actually going to ever unretired a retired number, so… whatevs.
6 should be retired after Jesus uses it and retires.
Here’s my thoughts on #6:
It should probably be retired. But that’s not going to happen anytime soon, for obvious reasons. So, start issuing it now, and later, when the time is right, it’ll go up on the wall.
Fun Fact #2: Seven different Yankees wore #3 after Babe Ruth did. The earth continued to spin on its axis with no great incident.
Oh #6 will be retired, no doubt.
In about 25 years after Montero retires having hit 600 HRs wearing it.
No.
I’m not getting on the “Give Jesus Montero #6″ bangwagon with you.
I’m starting the “Give Jesus Montero #21 and End the Paul O’Neill Ridiculousness Once and For All” bangwagon.
No offense.
While STILL being a catcher.
Come to the dark side, Eric.
It is your DESTINY!!!
What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?
/RobotChicken’d
#53 Juan Miranda
Wear it well, amigo. Wear it well.
Sincerely,
El Comedulce y Leche Suckmynuts
Marcus Thames gets the well-worn 38 — five former Yankees including Brian Bruney have worn it in two years
Bruney wore it for 1 year. He had #33 when he came to the Yanks.
Not really a misplaced modifier, but just a confusing turn of the phrase. I’ll fix it so people understand that five Yankees in two years — including Brian Bruney — have worn 38.
He was saying five pitchers (including Bruney) have worn it in the last two years.
ahhh ok, I just misread it. ditto that.
He also wore 99 because he thought he’d be a better pitcher. Seriously.
Ricky Vaughn style.
or Turk Wendell
are Andy, Javy, and Mo there? I haven’t heard a word about any of them.
Mo is always there, for Mo is everywhere.
Javy is there. http://bit.ly/bQj5Kd
I haven’t seen any mentions of Andy or Mo. Slackers.
“vazquez concerned with only winning”
but…the spreadsheets…
Javy was smart not messing with the #36. He didn’t want to “play catch” with Edwar. Last dude to do that ended up looking like a raccoon.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/ne.....;type=lgns
Cavs landed Jamison for Ilgauskas (who will be bought out and resigned by Cavs i’m assuming) and a 1st round pick in a 3 team trade. I love NBA trades.
The real winner in that trade:
The New York Knickerbockers
Exactly. No Amare. Jamison is good but he doesn’t put them over the top.
And, they’re locked into his money.
Fun Fact: Antawn Jamison is four full years older than Amare Stoudamire.
I guess there is a possibility though that Jamison is used in a piece for Amare.
No, there’s not.
Why not?
I’m not big on the Olympics but I’m looking forward to the Half Pipe semis tonight.
lol… wrong spot. I actually tried asking you “why not?” in regards to Jamison but that wouldn’t post.
“And, they’re locked into his money.
Fun Fact: Antawn Jamison is four full years older than Amare Stoudamire.”
Source: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
What Zack said.
/cleverlyselfreference’d
The Suns wanted an expiring and a promising young cost-controlled player in exchange for Amare. Jamison provides none of those qualities.
Yeah but the money has to match. The only worthwhile chip Cleveland had was Hickson. Hickson for Amare doesn’t float. Now that Antawn is there, maybe he fits into the equation.
He’d fit in well in Phoenix’s system.
I don’t see the Cavs giving up on Amare to get Antawn.
My Miami Heat and the Cavs were top contenders for Amare, considering all the Heat have to give are B-Easy and a pick, I don’t consider the Cavs out of it.
“He’d fit in well in Phoenix’s system.”
That doesnt matter. Owner wants to cut payroll and doesnt want Amare to opt out and get nothing in return. To get Amare you need to give up a player with a big EXPIRING contract, a young player and a draft pick.
What Zack said again.
Robert Sarver would never EVER EVER EVER sign off on paying 33 year old Antawn Jamison 33M over the next two years.
Does Drew Gooden have some disease? This makes 10 teams in years?
7 years
Truly unreal. On the plus side for Knick fans, if the Cavs do not make the Finals this year, Lebron will most likely leave. With this trade, the Cavs roster is pretty much set for next year, as they will have about $45M tied up already. They’ll be able to go over the cap to resign Lebron and his Bird rights, but that’s about it. And Jamison will be their 2nd best player at age 34. Let’s go Celtics, Hawks, and Magic.
hes going to e nets you know hes friends with Jay Z right. And dont tell me that doesn’t mean anything watch and see haters. He aready throws the ROC up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Curling has to be the funniest olympic sport. They have this giant contraption for measuring which rock is closer. It is probably the least exciting sport but they use terms like “The Hammer” to build it up. I will say that Melanie Robillard on the German team is hot.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5.....ave-it.jpg (safe)
Curling is ridiculous.
I tuned into it a couple of days ago and it’s fairly addicting. I was pleasantly surprised by that.
Phil Hughes not wearing a hat? Talk about disrespecting the game. He must have been hanging out with Joba.
CC’s looking pretty svelte.
Steve, you like the Nate deal?
Seriously I love it. Eddie House can do one thing, shoot, and he hasn’t been effective this year. Nate can get the ball past midcourt, and for all of his negatives, some need to be taken with a grain of salt, he has played for the Knicks his whole career. With Kg, Pierce, etc. and Doc coaching him, I think he’s a great pickup. I hope they just throw him in there with the 2nd team and tell him to score.
I still want to see them trade Ray Allen, or more appropriately Ray Allen’s contract. It’s too valuable, and they are too flawed, to get nothing for it.
Yea, I agree. I think he’ll be solid instant offense for a team with vets that can police him and tell him to cut the shit. Hopefully the Celts throw in that future first rounder, which is being rumored.
Now please, get healthy and knock out the Cavs.
I bet they did throw in the first rounder.
Veteran teams like the C’s are constantly selling off those low first rounders to avoid the guaranteed contract, which they’d hate but which we need (to help us fill out our 15-man roster with non D-League players).
Nate for House and a 1 makes more sense than just Nate for House by himself. For all parties involved.
When the regular season starts will RAB have that little NY box back (or something similiar) in each post so we can see what we have read previously ?
Yes, we’ll have something to that effect.
Awesome, thanks.
Most pointless Olympic sport?
they need to revive obstacle swimming
Doesn’t matter. They’re all useless. Find a hat and pick.
Hockey?
Most pointless Olympic sport?
All of them except track and field.
Athletics: the only real Olympic sport
Amen, brother.
You don’t mind my calling you “brother,” do you?
No problem.
———
Linc: What do you mean, “you people”?
Alpachino: What do YOU mean, “you people”?
The Greeks wrestled, too.
You think they should all be naked?
No.
Only the women.
Any sport where you need a judge to decide who wins.
Rhythmic gymnastics.
With all those 16-year old girls? Yes.
/lesterthemolester’d
Anything with a snowboard.
When does the Nate Robinson-Eddie House trade become offical?
Does House take minutes from Duhon? Not that that’s of any issue, but does House have a future on this team when Tony D. might be better already? I simply haven’t kept up to date on my NBA this year.
House is just a shooter, nothing more. Frankly, swapping House for Nate does basically nothing for either team. It’s a non-trade. Both players are marginal scoring options and horrid defenders, they just score in different ways.
I see why the Knicks did it (Nate’s a ballhog and a malcontent), I don’t get why the Celtics did it. Swapping House for Nate doesn’t make you better or worse… it makes you the same.
So wait, Eddie House is a Knick? Oh shit but his wife and teh Brandon Laird!!!
OH SHIT THAT MEANS NOW THE YANKEES HAVE TO TRADE LAIRD LIKE HOW THE CLEVELAND BROWNS HAD TO TRADE BRAYLON EDWARDS TO THE JETS!!!
/stupidmediotnarrative’d
Eh, they both have tremendous liabilities. Nate has never accumulated an assist at any level of basketball. He’s more likely to shoot a behind-the-back 3 into his own basket than he is to pass. However, if he gets hot, he’s way more of a scoring option than House.
House is a better shooter and fit for the team, IMO. He’s a better shooter and his wife gives old men boners.
House can just shoot, if he could run an offense Boston wouldnt move him.
Eddie House has a future with whoever pays him this offseason.
That.
House won’t take minutes from Duhon, but he will replace the minutes that Larry Hughes/Al Harrington got as the 2/3 swingman outside shooting floor spacer in D’Antoniball.
And he’s a better shooter than anyone on the team not named Gallinari. Solid pickup.
Who’s glad they didn’t google elephant walk while at work today?
/Raises hand
It’s so annoying how I keep hearing about the 5th Starter competition in the media and in other Yankee non-RAB blogs is that Hughes is soooooooo much better suited for being the 5th starter.
Ha. I was listening to WFAN the other day on the way to work. It was Horseface Jones and some other dude on air. Some dude called up and said that he’d love to see the pitcher that doesn’t win the 5th spot go down to AAA and work, as a starter, until a spot opens in the rotation.
They basically laughed at the dude, said he was crazy, then hung up.
Don’t listen to WFAN for any baseball analysis that goes beyond W/L, RBIs, Rs, and ridiculous trade proposals.
Hell try avoiding the radio unless you are looking for breaking news or something. I mean there’s Francesa so you want to avoid that station at all costs so you don’t hear his voice.
There’s ESPN and it’s better but still pretty meh.
The one time in AGES I was listening to WFAN live, I caught the ANDY PETTITTE IS A STAHTING PITCHAH!!!! thing.
Heh lucky. I had to see it on Youtube. It was ridiculous. Francesa is easily the most annoying radio host. He doesn’t listen if you argue with him and his “arguments” are the most faulty things ever.
Unless you want to get stupid, don’t listen to Francesa.
It’s because he doesn’t have that bull in a china shop mentality, or something.
MLB Network named Torii Hunter the #1 CF of the decade?
Huh weird. They didn’t name one of the grittiest players every in Jacoby Ellsbury.
That’s because naming Godcoby to #1 CF is like naming Mo to #1 relief pitcher. Duh.
(I love Torii, but… Edmonds, Beltran, Damon, Cameron, Andruw Jones, Griffey Jr. early on, and yes, even Feared Williams?)
In Torii’s defense, the names you just named didn’t have a good 10-year decade, they each just had a good 7 year portion of the decade next to a 3 year stretch of sucking due to being old (or, in the case of Beltran, being too young and not accumulating stats).
I agree, I think Hunter is the right choice there.
Actually, let me amend that: Beltran was good all decade long.
He should be #1. Torii’s a solid #2, though.
I see what you’re saying, but there are really very few players that excelled for that entire decade, and these are generally guys that are the elite players of the game, like A-Rod.
Yes, and Torii is one of those guys who did excel for the whole decade. Hence, he was named #1. I would’ve gone with Beltran, but he, Hunter and Cameron were the only ones who lasted in CF for the whole decade.
I would’ve gone with Beltran, but he, Hunter and Cameron were the only ones who lasted in CF for the whole decade.
Repeated for emphasis.
I was about to say it’s gotta be Beltran, then I look at the stats again.
Edmonds–140 OPS+, +7.5 UZR
Hunter–109 OPS+, -14.1 UZR
Beltran–122 OPS+, +27.4 UZR
considering the UZR era didn’t begin until Edmonds was 32 (Beltran was 25 at the time), this one isn’t even close
Edmonds was siiiiick. People forget how awesome he was.
Here’s the problem, though:
Jim Edmonds, 2000-2005: 878 games, .292/.406/.584 153+
Jim Edmonds, 2006-2009: 338 games, .248/.339/.450 103+
Is Jim Edmonds the best CF of the first half of the decade? Hells yes.
Best CF of the entirety of the decade? Probably not, no.
It might have been enough though. WAR has Beltran leading 41.7 to 31.3, but that only goes back to 2002, taking away two of Beltran’s worst years and two of Edmonds’ best, and the swing would probably put Edmonds in front despite not playing in 2009 and being somewhat less than awesome for the last few years
But what I’m saying is, no matter how awesome those first six years were, the fact that Edmonds was only good in 6 years, then pretty average in three more, and not good enough to find a big league contract in the final year is probably enough of a disqualification.
perhaps–it’s certainly a mark against him. Edmonds is a defensible choice though. Hunter is a bit of a tough sell
Hunter is a bit of a tough sell
No, he’s not.
I really don’t think Hunter is a terrible choice. I would’ve gone with Beltran, but I think you’re fantasizing about the 90′s with a lot of those names you bring up. (Bernie, Griffey, Jones)
Griffey – Not only was he not that productive most of the decade, but he stopped playing CF regularly in 2006.
Bernie- Absolutely not. Didn’t have an above average year after 2002.
Jones – Good for half the decade.
Cameron – consistently solid, but never really broke through.
Edmonds – only an asset for the first half of the decade
Damon – i would probably have Johnny 3rd behind Beltran and Torii.
I see Beltran as the only one with a legitimate case, and maybe Damon.
Beltran and Hunter were the only two who played CF for the whole decade
Fun Fact #3:
WAR, 2000-2009
Johnny Damon: 37.2
Mike Cameron: 35.7
Oh, and… Johnny Damon is no longer a centerfielder. Mike Cameron still is.
Well then looks like my rankings of Beltran, Hunter, Damon and Cameron as my top four isn’t too bad. I could give Cameron a bump for his better defense and sticking in CF the whole time, but I’m biased!
Probably because of the SPECTACULAR PLAYS. Nothing more.
Dear everyone,
I was stupid and didn’t realize Torii Hunter had come up as early as he did. I suck.
Sincerely,
bexarama
PS. Edmonds would still be my #1, just because I value a crazy peak like he had over Hunter.
Eh. Beltran/Edmonds. You could make an easy case for either.
I guess I should be proud that MLB Network didn’t name Ichiro their #1 right fielder, center fielder, and left fielder of the decade. Heh.
All I heard was:
Tommie: very aroused.
Ahaha, I knew that was going to be your response.
And you’ve actually done a good job convincing me that Torii was pretty worthy of that, hmm. Maybe because the sabermetric people are always whining about all the Gold Gloves he gets and stuff, and because I pretty much agree with them, I tend to underrate the people a lot of sabermetric guys underrate (I’m really bad about this and Jeter, and I love Jeter
).
Underrated/overrated doesn’t necessarily imply good/bad. For example- Nick Swisher is underrated whereas Josh Beckett is overrated. I’d still rather have Beckett.
And you’ve actually done a good job convincing me…
Bill Clinton (Darrell Hammond): That’s right. I’m not gonna trash John McCain just because he’s a Republican, or a war hero, or a great friend who’s hilarious and cool. I will not. I will not. I, for one, respect those things. Still, there are many things we disagree on. For instance, Sen. McCain likes the show “C.S.I.” Whereas, I love… “Californication”.
Seth Meyers: Well, there might be qualities about John McCain you respect, but do you honestly believe that Gov. Sarah Palin is prepared to be Vice-President?
Bill Clinton (Darrell Hammond): Look… sometimes women will be uncomfortable doing something at first…
I have found, with enough persuasion… they will come around.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/3686.....ll-clinton (safe)
Need some opinions on what I should get:
The official WS shirt, now only 18 bucks. And it comes with a free WS towel.
http://bit.ly/dDamPn
or
The championship roster shirt, $16
http://bit.ly/cUbWhV
or
The “got rings” shirt, $13
http://bit.ly/caCQo7
I like understated, so I’d pick Option #1.
But that’s me.
Ditto.
definitely #1
Thanks for your input everyone. I agree that #1 is probably the best option.
The Yanks gave Montero #83 because that’s how many HRs he plans to hit in his rookie season.
He’s going to do a Girardi with the numbers, but instead of Championships, his version will be new Single Season HR Records.
Jesus could do that as a September call up.
He catches like Berra(#8) and hits like Ruth(#3), so 83 is totally appropriate. Sorry for showing the numbers of those players, like anyone on here doesn’t know them…..so I will end..
/Salty’d
Sorry, Salty.
IETC.
And I might be warming up to 83 for the Jesus.
Heh, I think you messed up the joke. I’m supposed to explain someone else’s joke, not make my own and explain it. You were supposed to build off of The Artist’s comment.
whoops, should’ve said Nostra-Artist’s comment
I thought the whole meme was that you explained your own jokes? Where the hell is Mondesi?
Was it? I can’t remember
Yeah, it was. You redundant’d your jokes. It was pseudo X-Zibit-like.
You made a Homer Bush joke and I explained it. Here it is:
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-727517
Here’s when you first “meme’d” it:
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-727537
Now I have to get a NEW stitched Igawa jersey?! Dammit!
With every passing hour, I grow more worried the Knicks will somehow not shed either Jeffries, Harrington, Hughes, Curry or Dolan.
And if the Bulls fuck the Knicks one more time…
Patience, young padawan. It shall happen. Morey and Walsh are just haggling over the lottery protection of the 2012 pick we’re sending them.
We’ve got the best offer on the table, and they’re motivated to use McGrady’s contract to get two decent assets (namely, Jordan Hill and a first rounder).
You shall not be disappointed. I feel it.
I think I’ve been conditioned as a Knick fan to assume some other team will come over, piss in my cereal and fuck my mother while I ate said cereal.
It’s like being a Met fan.
If we get Boston’s first-rounder, even more reason to pull the trigger. It would be great to get lottery protection, but frankly, I don’t care that much (even though they’re asking for a fucking ransom, as they should). The goal is to get as far below the cap as possible.
I think I’ve been conditioned as a Knick fan to assume some other team will come over, piss in my cereal and fuck my mother while I ate said cereal. It’s like being a Met fan.
My advice: Grow a pair.
It’s a psychological issue, not a physiologic issue.
That you have any confidence is amazing.
I don’t believe in curses or any of that bullshit, and Walsh has done a solid job putting together a semi-competitive team while getting below the cap, but it’s like having PTSD.
I still have lucid dreams where I walk into a gym and I see Jared Jeffries, Starbury, Jeffries, Jerome James, Randolph, Eddy Curry, Isiah, and Dolan.
I’m holding an AK-47 and they’re all tied up.
Poof! I’m awake.
…it’s like having PTSD. I still have lucid dreams where I walk into a gym and I see Jared Jeffries, Starbury, Jeffries, Jerome James, Randolph, Eddy Curry, Isiah, and Dolan. I’m holding an AK-47 and they’re all tied up. Poof! I’m awake.
Memries
Don’ live like people do
Dey always ‘membah you
Wedder tings is good or bad
It’s just de memories dat you ‘ave
De Beenie Man a sing-say ‘EY!
Bwoy stop liv’on inna de pass
Just remember when man ah ride ‘orse
Now yuh dead dat mean yuh soul loss
Juss like a serpent, snake on de graas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaQyq3vhFhY (NSFW)
That was just awful. I’m distressed knowing people willingly spent money to hear that.
Not a reggae fan, huh?
Not necessarily. I like Slightly Stoopid, Pepper, Damien Marley and a few others. On a whole, no, it’s not really my thing.
But that song in particular was grating.
As a man who regularly talks about listening to Justin Beiber…
Glass houses, stones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_cGo0q7krk (SFW)
The Magic get…..Nobody! Because they’re the most complete team in the NBA, bitches! (maybe another point guard would help…but I digress, Bitches!)
Really? You really think they’re the most complete team in the NBA? They’re good but…no.
Sorry, but…yes.
Dwight Howard is too nice. He needs to stop smiling and goofing around and start openly bitching out his teammates for not getting him the ball every single freaking possession.
Dwight, you’re possibly the most talented big man in the past 30 years, including Shaq in his prime. Start acting like it.
There’s entirely too little Howard and way too much Rashard Lewis and Jameer Nelson in the Magic offense for me to respect that team yet.
I honestly can’t tell if you’re being serious or not.
I’m actually dead freaking serious.
Is Dwight Howard the balls? Yes. Is Dwight Howard also waaaaaaaaaay too passive and only playing to like 60-70% of his potential? Also yes.
Dwight Howard is like David Robinson with better athleticism. He’s now been in the league 6 full years. He’s never yet averaged more than 21 points a game. He’s currently averaging 18.0 ppg.
Think about that for a moment.
Dwight Howard should be dominating. He’s not. He’s not selfish enough. You’re the best player on the court. Act like it.
As a Knick fan, the only team that you can’t respect is the Nets.
Good point.
Ha. Shaun White is so sick wit it.
Holy lord are the Bulls and Knicks playing a sloppy game. Way more turnovers than points.
The 2003 Red Sox were a dumb team. Baseball’s Seasons: 2003 is pretty freaking awesome so far, though.
It’s great until the end. Bruce Willis is a ghost the entire time.
Haha, I fully plan to turn it off after the section on the ALCS is over.
Oh YES I really wanted to relive the six-pitcher no-hitter of the Yankees by the Astros >:(
They would show the Yankees for FIVE SECONDS in the ALDS and are giving the Sox hours of praise…
Dude, Cowboy Up. They shaved their heads. They were so awesome!!!!
I also like how they spent time detailing all the Sox home runs in Game 1 of the ALCS, and then just mentioned that the Yankees tied it up in Game 2. (I’m probably being paranoid. Oh well.)
Posada’s “bring it on” thing against Pedro really never gets old, though.
(Aaaagh shut up
Dan ShaugnawhateverCHB)From the way their narrating the thing if I didn’t know anything of baseball history I would think the Sox would win with this presentation.
My mom just said the same thing.
AAAH KEVIN MILLAR NO ONE CARES.
They were literally playing sad music during the end of the Aaron Boone game.
Oh, and another great blast from the past with my mom, live from when we were watching the Boone game -
Joe Buck: And for the Boston Red Sox, more heartbreak.
My mom: WHO GIVES A SH-T?!
BTW-If you were planning on seeing “Surrogates” don’t. You’ve already seen it 50 times.
How bad are we talking about? Should I delete it from my Netflix queue?
I mean, technically, it’s essentially free to me at this point. I’m already paying for the service.
If you’ve seen anything with Bruce Willis, you’ve seen it already. The same formula he’s been doing since the 80′s.
Gracias.
Salmons not playing is NOT because he’s in a deal for T-Mac.
-According to SI’s Chris Mannix
The Bulls won’t swing the TMac deal because they won’t surrender a Jordan Hill-level talent and they’re attempting to unload Kirk Hinrich’s deal, which makes Jared Jeffries’s deal look like a non-guaranteed 10-day contract in comparison.
Knicks package >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bulls package
Shani FTMFW
*Joba fist pump*
The Yankees will do another team outing, similar to last year’s afternoon of billiards. “We will do something again,” Girardi said. “Plans are subject to change, but our plan is to do it the day before our first game here.” Girardi said he hasn’t decided what the team will do, but suggestions of paintball and bowling left him feeling uneasy because he wants something with virtually zero injury risk. Nothing that involves running through the woods or swinging heavy objects.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....very-year/
Anyone want to hazard a guess?
Mine is that Alex takes the whole team to Le Trapeze or Checkmates, since the doormen know him so well.
Satin Dolls.
Did they shut the Gold Club down?
/Ewing’d
Girardi should get the team some steaks and blowjobs then proceeding to go out for pussytubing.
Mons Venus for Beer Pong. An oldie but a goodie.
Every time you mention the Mons Venus establishment, I think of Bart, Milhouse, Nelson, and Ralph going to see the movie Naked Lunch and coming out afterwards saying, “I can think of at least two things wrong with that title.”
If the Cavs win the title will it:
A. ensure that Lebron stays
B. allow Lebron to leave knowing he gave Cleveland it’s long awaited championship
C. have no effect on his decision
My vote is unfortunately for A, although I will pray for B and C.
C
My favorite new list to ogle:
http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/top500.htm
We should have an RAB party this May-ish when Alex becomes the 20th member of the 100 WAR club. Rarefied air.
Holy crap A-Rod.
Why is Manny so low (well, relatively speaking)? The defense?
Also, Mariano Rivera has been more worth more wins over his career than Andy Pettitte. That’s kind of insane.:
http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/top500p.htm
Wow, that one surprises me.
I’ll have to eat my words from an arguement earlier when I said I’d take Andy’s career over Mo’s.
Do they use a different formula to determine WAR on that site? Because Andy’s 2009 has a 3.3 WAR on Fangraphs and a 1.8 WAR there. Actually, now that I’m looking, they have to have a different formula or whatever, because all the numbers are different. Hmm. =/
/dork’d
Me=confused.
Just looking at Pettitte’s career as a sample:
http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....on=P#value
http://www.baseballprojection......tta001.htm
Fangraphs and Baseball Projection pretty obviously have different stats to calculate WAR, and it was confusing me.
The only people that are on that list and higher than Teixeira (#408) that have been playing as long as he has, or for a shorter amount of time, are Utley (#359) and Mauer (#391). (fistpump)
Holy crap Pujols…
I am no longer surprised by anything Albert Pujols-related.
good find. This is fun.
Bagwell Hall of Famer?
Yes.
agreed
I think we should wait til the end of the year. It’s like a RB breaking a record. You gotta clear it by 10 or so yards so you don’t lose yards and go back to 2nd.
“I’m not concerned that we don’t have the players to do it; I’m concerned exactly how we place them. There is a ton of talent in that room. We have very good hitters up and down that lineup, but you want to try to find the right mix. … The concern is exactly where we put them, not that we don’t have the right pieces. I believe we have the right pieces.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....ugged.html
Girardi said his #1 concern is the lineup, and since lineup jiggering really doesn’t make much difference, that tells me just how loaded the team is this year.
So who’s your 1-9? I’ll start:
1-Jeter
2-Granderson
3-Tex
4-Alex
5-Johnson
6-Posada
7-Cano
8-Swisher
9-Gardner
That my lineup facing Righties. Johnson hits #2 facing a Lefty and Grandy drops down to 8th with everyone else moving up a notch. I like the protection Tex gives Grandy, I like his speed at the top of the lineup, and his OBP is .367 facing Righties (Johnson .394). Some SB will make up for the .027 difference in OBP, so Grandy will be running.
I’m not married to this lineup, but I want to smooth Curtis’ transition to the Bronx, and defensively I would put him in Left. So offensively, I want to make things easy for him.
I am pretty much obsessed with the idea of Nick Johnson batting #2 just because with Jeter and Johnson being on base as often as they are in front of Tex and A-Rod… oh. my. goodness.
So was I, but I really want to get Grandy going. In my plan, he’s playing LF. And again, a few SB’s make up for 1 base every 40 ABs.
Then, one request:
If you prefer Granderson over Johnson as the #2 hitter because you think he can be productive there, leave Grandy as the #2 against lefties too.
Grandy #2 instead of Johnson I don’t agree with, but I see the argument. Flipping Grandy or Johnson depending on the handedness of the pitcher is needless disruption of rhythm, though. Don’t outsmart yourself.
I’m not flipping them, Grandy goes to the basement against Lefties until he proves otherwise. But for a marginal difference in OBP facing Righties, I prefer Grandy’s speed.
I’m not flipping them
For all intents and purposes, yes, you are.
Grandy goes to the basement against Lefties until he proves otherwise.
The best way for him to prove otherwise is to hit in the same spot in the order regardless of whom is on the mound.
Seriously, I’d totally be much more amenable to getting on board with Granderson as the #2 hitter if he’s the #2 hitter in all situations.
Batting Grandy #2 against righties and #8 against lefties and Johnson #5 against righties and #2 against lefties is just asi-friggin-nine.
Batting Grandy #2 against righties and #8 against lefties and Johnson #5 against righties and #2 against lefties is just asi-friggin-nine.
Tell us how you really feel.
Tell us how you really feel.
http://razzball.com/wp-content.....arting.JPG (safe)
If that picture doesn’t scream “Hall of Famer” I don’t know what does.
You were saying something that sounded intelligent, but I couldn’t hear it over the sound of my farting.
There’s no amount of stolen bases that will make up for 27 points of OBP. Johnson’s the perfect #2 hitter for this team. The more ducks on the pond for Tex and A-Rod, the better.
I disagree. You’re talking 1 base every 40 ABs. Or less than 1 run a month. I think Grandy’s speed will make up for that, and then some. Both in scoring when Nick would wind up on 3rd and by being in scoring position when Nick wouldn’t be.
Everyone is in scoring position when Tex and A-Rod are at the plate.
OK, I’ll refer you to my TSJC reply below.
Damn, I’m sending everyone all over the place tonight.
A stolen base has a run value of 0.16 runs. (Source)
If NJ’s 27 points of OBP equal one extra run a month, Granderson would have to steal at least six bases each month to make up for it (6.25 in reality). That means at least 36 steals a year (ten more than Granderson has ever had in a season) just to break even.
Right, but Grandy’s a plus runner and those are aggregate numbers. In his specific case, it makes more sense than it would with a runner with average speed. On the flip side, Johnson’s a sub par runner. So the spread between the two players is big once they’re on the bases, and the difference between their ability to get on base is fairly small.
27 points of OBP is not small. The Mets’ team OBP was 27 points less than the Yanks’ team OBP last year, and they scored 247 fewer runs.
The also hit the fewest HRs in the majors. Their lack of run scoring wasn’t solely attributable to .027 of OBP, as your comment (seems, at least) to imply.
The Phillies’ team OBP was 28 points less, and they scored 95 fewer runs. And they hit the second most homers in baseball.
Fine, but the point is largely moot anyway. It’s not like Johnson doesn’t hit in my lineup. He does, so his OBP will be in there.
Good debate, boys. Nostra, you pretty much tapped out. Ax man Gano!
And… it’s not 27 points of OBP.
IT’S FIFTY-EIGHT POINTS OF OBP.
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-777366
Off topic. If you want to discuss the merits of your idea, we can do that elsewhere.
Jete
NJ
Teix
Al
Cano
JoPo
C-Grand
Swish
Grit/Hoff/Winn
Same lineup everyday, 9 hole not withstanding.
Switch Granderson and Posada for me.
Everyday? Unless Grandy hits lefties well he shouldn’t be 6th or back to back with robbie, imo.
Both Robbie and Nick hit lefties just as well as righties, so we should have no qualms putting Curtis next to either of them in any lineup configuration.
Right, which is why you really don’t have to worry about stacking up Lefty batters when it comes to Nick.
No argument there.
Unless Curtis hits lefties better than he has the past 4 years I don’t think he should hit 6th everyday.
The #1-5 is locked in to Jeter-Nick-Tex-ARod-Posada. The #9 is locked into whomever plays on any given day from the WinnGardThamHoff quadfecta. That leaves #6, #7, and #8 for some grouping of Cano, Swisher, and Granderson.
I personally think Cano gets #6 out of loyalty and expectation. Granderson and Swisher thus are left with #7 or #8.
Flip a coin. Doesn’t matter.
That my lineup facing Righties. Johnson hits #2 facing a Lefty and Grandy drops down to 8th with everyone else moving up a notch.
I disagree.
Fewer moving parts is a good thing. Nick hits both lefties and righties equally well. He’s an OBP machine. He’s a PER-F#$%ING-FECT #2 hitter.
Lineup v both righties and lefties:
1-The Blazing Copper Horse
2-Nick the Stick
3-I Wanna Tex You Up
4-Nails CentiWAR
5-Urine Trouble
6-The Lazy Dominican
7-Swishahouse
8-My Man, 100 Grand
9-WinnGardThamHoff
Read my reply to Mike. Grandy will score when Nick won’t. More than makes up for the 1 base every 40 ABs.
Now you could argue that Nick being on base for the power guys behind him would add up to him scoring when Grandy was never on base to begin with. Which is true, but you hit more singles and doubles than you do HRs, and Grandy can steal 2B and score on a single. And/or score from 1B/2B on a double when Nick would get stranded at 3B. I think the latter will happen far more often than the former.
Nick’s career OBP: .402
Curtis’s career OBP: .344
In a 650 PA season, that means Nick’s getting on base 261.3 times. Granderson gets on base 223.6 times. That’s 38 more baserunners on the year. That’s more than a baserunner a week.
I’ll still take Nick, thanks.
But Nick is teh brittle.
http://tinyurl.com/yzaddcd
Facing Righties.
No.
First rule of engineering: Less moving parts is better.
Pffft, you’ve obviously never met a chemical engineer.
First Rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club.
Why not just put Gardner as the lead-off?
I keed.
Will Grandy really be running, though? Frankly, I don’t want him running in front of Tex/A-Rod. With hitters like that behind him, is the extra base really going to be worth it? He’ll be able to score from first on any XBH anyway.
Depends on the pitcher and catcher, obviously. But even starting the runner can mean he scores from 1B where Johnson doesn’t.
I wonder if Jorge has seen the play Urinetown.
That show is the balls.
Little Sally: I don’t think too many people are going to come see this musical, Officer Lockstock.
Lockstock: Why do you say that, Little Sally? Don’t you think people want to be told that their way of life is unsustainable?
Little Sally: That, and the title’s awful.
Saw it on Broadway a while ago. It was great.
As the Knicks collapse. It’ll be nice to see what Friday’s team looks like.
TSJC, with regards to your Dwight Howard comment above, he’s Bill Simmons’ take. I know he’s not too highly regarded around these parts, but he’s dead on here (and he really knows his NBA shit).
Fact: Howard has played every game this season.
Fact: A whopping 75 players have attempted more field goals than he has, including Jason Thompson, John Salmons, Danilo Gallinari, Luis Scola, Carl Landry, Raymond Felton, Andrew Bynum, Jamal Crawford and Kenyon Martin.
Fact: He’s 109th in the league in field goal attempts per game, tied with Ryan Gomes at 9.6. Ryan Gomes!
Fact: Teammates Vince Carter (14.9), Rashard Lewis (11.9) and Jameer Nelson (10.3) all average more field goals attempts than he does.
Fact: He leads the league in free throw attempts (10.4 per game), so realistically, that means Howard is getting about 14-15 scoring touches per game. Not even four a quarter.
My take: He’s too nice of a guy. It’s both the best and worst thing about him. If you ever played basketball, you know there’s one rule with big guys: Make sure they touch the ball enough. If they don’t get enough touches, they get cranky. They stop running the floor. They stop setting good picks. They stop crashing the boards. Big guys are like women — they need affection, they need to be stroked every so often, and if you ignore them, they start to resent you.
In Howard’s case, nobody in Orlando has to worry about keeping him happy. He’s always happy! He’s a good soldier. In a roundabout way, he’s avoiding the responsibility of carrying an offense every night. This is easier. He gets to run around, jump over guys, ram some dunks home, block some shots, flex his muscles, smile to the crowd and concentrate on his strengths. Of course, he will never, ever, ever get better this way, and if you look closely at his stats these past three years, he is what he is: 18-19 points, 13-14 rebounds, 3 blocks, 60 percent shooting. Alpha dog pedigree, sidekick mindset. Too bad.
And he even did it all FACT: style, which I know you love.
Spot on, well done, Simmons. The moneyshot, repeated for emphasis:
…so realistically, that means Howard is getting about 14-15 scoring touches per game. Not even four a quarter.
I hate the NYC press corps, because they’re full of idiots, but if Dwight Howard was a Knick, they’d all be screaming bloody murder constantly about Howard not getting enough touches, and they’d be right. They’d be calling for D’Antoni (or whomever was the HC) to be fired immediately.
Maybe Ron Jeremy should demand his players get Dwight the ball more.
/that joke never gets old
Bill Simmons is a fantastic writer. His podcasts are hilarious and though his love of the RS is annoying, I gotta say, he’s insightful.
NO ONE DENIES THIS!
Meet the Knicks, Greet the Knicks.
Klaw on the WEEI today (http://audio.weei.com/m/290604.....w-espn.htm)
After he hung up, Michael Holley was saying that some guys just know how to drive in runs, so Wade Boggs is a better hitter than Reggie Jackson, but Jackson drives in more runs. I texted them “Reggie Jackson knocked in 16% of all baserunners in his career, Boggs knocked in 15%. RBI are all about opportunity.” They read the text right away on the air, and he says it helped prove his point because Jackson hit in the .260’s and Boggs hit in the .320’s, yet Jackson was still more productive.
Fail.
Carl Everett and Jesus rode dinosaurs in the 1740s.
Wait, what?
WTF? That arguement makes no sense at all.
Every story I ever hear about WEEI makes me glad that I’m not immediately and constantly subjected to it in my local radio area.
Listening to WEEI (or it’s NYC cousin, WFAN) is probably a violation of the 8th Amendment.
Sports radio is pretty much the same everywhere, utterly terrible.
I will say Boston sports radio is a liiiiittle bit more likely to call the Red Sox an unstoppable awesome dynasty team when they win three in a row, and then a terrible team that will finish under .500 when they lose three in a row than other sports radio talking about their respective teams. A little bit.
WEEI is faaaaantastic during a Sox losing streak. I’m sure nowadays it’s unbearable.
I expect it’s a combination between “we’re the best team evah!” and “OMG WE’RE NOT GONNA SCORE ANY RUNS!!!!”
To all those tuned into the NBA, do you think the Celtics will end up trading Ray Allen(‘s contract)?
Nope. Don’t see it.
DAMMIT DANILO.
I come to expect these things.
This year: irrelevant.
Watch how much better Danilo and Wilson instantly become when they start playing with a true stud and are merely #3 and #4 options.
exactly. Even this year we’ve seen flashes of brilliance from Wilson and the rooster. Next year when we hopefully have a somewhat superstar they wont be guarded by the opponents top players meaning they’ll perform even better
Time for bed, I’m falling asleep. Thanks in advance to Mike, TSJC and whoever else disagreed with me on my lineup for helping me write my morning post. Gotta have the counter arguments built in, I hate one sided pieces.
You’re theyankeeU????? I’ll be sure to read your post. Granderson’s speed may help him stay out of the DP, and his CS rate is pretty good at 20%. 2009 was definitely an outlier for him, and i think if you are batting him 2nd v RHP, do it v LHP as well. It’s a good position for him to get less breaking balls for balls
He’s one of theyankeeu.com writers (unless you mean the Twitter guy, in which case that’s me). Steve (Artist) writes our morning post every day.
While RAB claims Nick J. will wear 27 (“Another once and current Yankee, Nick Johnson, has opted for 27.”), the Yankees website roster has Nick wearing 26, and no one on the active 40-man roster wearing 27.
It’s a typo.
Nick’s wearing #26. Igawa got #27.
It’s not a typo. Click through to read the Bryan Hoch article to which I linked. Nick originally had 26 but switched it to 27 yesterday. The official site hasn’t been updated yet.
Ah, gracias.
I like these moves.
I’ve been waiting for the Yankees to retire Paul O’Neill’s #21 since the day he retired following the 2001 World Series.
I don’t mean to go overboard here, but your suggesting it might or could be returned to the rotation offended me.
I don’t mean to go overboard here, but your suggesting it might or could be returned to the rotation offended me.
I don’t mean to go overboard in response, but your being offended at it offended me.
I was being hyperbolic. Just haven’t heard a Yankee fan suggest it shouldn’t be retired before. I thought most of us took it for granted Paul would get his day at the Stadium.
I think your survey size probably isn’t big enough. There’s tons of Yankee fans who love Paulie but don’t think he was good enough long enough to merit having his number retired. That’s a very special honor, and Paulie’s pretty far down that list of guys who should be honored in that way.
I respect your POV, but I hope you’re wrong. I’ve been looking forward to it for a long time.