Thursday Open Thread


Sorry for the delay, but here’s your open thread. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. billbybob says:

    2010 Royals: Worst team ever?

    • JGS says:

      nah–they’ll scrape out at least 50

      • DP says:

        They won 65 last year and as bad as they are it’s not like they got appreciably worse. I say 62-100.

        • JGS says:

          I don’t know–talking about stretching out Kyle Farnsworth seems as desperate as it gets. Then again, taking him out of the pen is probably worth a couple of wins right there

        • Thomas says:

          The key thing with the Royals is they still have Greinke which is probably worth at least 6 WAR(assuming he is healthy). Most epically bad teams don’t have a pitcher of his caliber.

  2. DP says:

    3 minute delay?!?!?!? Unacceptable!

  3. bexarama says:

    Fun topic: epic postseason series. And go!

    • DP says:

      Either the 2001 World Series or the 1912 World Series: 5 1-run games, an extra inning Game 7 in which the Giants scored in the top of the 10th only to lose in the bottom of the 10th, and a tie.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      What do you mean? Are we imagining epic matchups, or just talking about epic series of the past?

      • bexarama says:

        Of the past.

        Obviously, the 2003 and 2004 ALCSes were pretty insane. The 2004 NLCS was crazy too, but it didn’t get a lot of attention because TEH RIVALRY was going on at the same time.

    • JGS says:

      World Series in 2001, 1991, and 1926 (imagine the shitstorm that would occur should any Series ever end like that one again)

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      I think the bestseries ever is still 1991.

      That was EPIC.

    • Evan says:

      A couple of others: 1975 WS, 1952 WS, 1980 NLCS

    • bexarama says:

      Also just to answer my own question, pretty much the entire 1986 postseason was like balls-out.

    • Rec Little League championship game, 1997. We were really freakin’ good that year. We may have lost one game. Maybe. I was pretty decent at hitting, but was an absolutely terrible fielder. I had no lateral coordination. I could run in straight lines and catch the ball, but I couldn’t move from side-to-side or throw a ball accurately. It was Knoblach-ian. Anyway, despite my defensive woes, our team was stacked. I might have been one of the worst kids on the team. On other teams I’d have been fairly average, certainly not one of the worst players.

      Our best player ended up getting drafted in the first round of the 2008 MLB draft (Shooter Hunt, pick #31 of the Minnesota Twins). When you’re about 11-years old and more interested in pogs and the origin of mystery boners, kids throwing 65 mph fastballs tends freak you out. Despite my paralysis in moving laterally, the coach often played me at 2nd base, my position in the championship game. It didn’t matter much—Shooter didn’t allow anyone to even hit the ball. We all just stood around as Shooter mowed down hitters.

      Of course, he couldn’t pitch the whole game. So we made some substitutions and I moved out the LF. Our pitcher got freakin’ rocked. It took forever. I mean, like a 30 minute half inning. I really, really, really had to pee. I tucked, I shook around, I stomped. Nothing was working. I had to go.

      Just as I’m about to turn around and pee, I see the ball hit towards my direction. I ran, dove at the ball, missed, fell and my bladder exploded. Piss all over my pants. To cover it up I emptied my entire water bottle all over my shirt and pants, hoping no one would notice. “I was getting hot so I wanted to cool off,” I would tell all suspicious parties. Turns out I’d never considered that I might just possibly smell of urine. Some kids asked me why I smelled of piss and I could only respond with “Piss? I don’t smell like pee. I ate a bunch of popcorn. That’s probably the smell.”

      I used to think popcorn smelled like urine.

      Anyway, we ended up losing that game and kids knew I’d peed myself.

      /cool story, bro’d

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

        um, yeah. overshare.

      • bexarama says:

        Now that’s epic.

      • Bob Stone says:

        That was definitely an overshare . . . but is was good.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

        [Golf clap]

        I’m imagining a young JMK with piss all over him.

        I was so bad I never, ever once caught a fly ball, in many chances. A fly ball once hit me in the head. And it was no line drive, it was a lollipop popup. I was in position and everything, and somehow it missed my glove. To my credit, I got up and fielded the ball quickly, though I couldn’t throw either.

        I remember winning the championship game once, even though I was embarassingly awful. We weren’t even the best team, the best team was upset in the playoff round previous to ours one to nothing. We had to play them in a 3 game series. I remember losing game one after the other team made this epic eleventh hour comeback (they were on a really lucky streak apparently), where I tripped chasing after a fly ball (I wouldn’t have gotten there anyway).

        Then we just systematically destroyed the other team in games 2 and 3. No contest.

        So, yeah.

  4. Drew says:

    Hmm.. JD has surprisingly good numbers in Comerica.

    189PA 363/412/550

  5. pete says:

    fuckin aye Modern Family is friggin hi-larious. It has very quickly become my 2nd favorite show on tv

  6. Teix is the Man says:

    Any Bills fans out their? I hope they can nab Jimmy Clausen, though it’s doubtful.

    • Tom Zig says:

      ESPN draft projection says Sam Bradford to the bills.

    • Hughesus Christo says:

      I’m a Notre Dame fan. Don’t get too excited about Clausen.

      • I’m an NFL fan. Clausen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the other QB prospects this year.

        College: not the NFL

        • Hughesus Christo says:

          Will Clausen have the two best WRs in the NFL too? Because he wasn’t very good dealing with anything else.

          • Not sure where you’re going with this.

            Did Clausen play with great players around him making him look better? Yes. So does every other QB prospect in this draft class.

            Fact remains, he’s still a much better pro prospect than everyone else in this class, including Bradford, who has yet to demonstrate that he can actually
            A) play in a pro-style offense, under center
            B) read a pro-style defense
            C) do both of those things quickly and decisively

            Now, I’m not saying Clausen is a great QB prospect. Just saying he’s much better than Bradford/McCoy/LeFevour/Tebow/Clark/et. al. It’s a bad class. All these guys would be second rounders tops a year ago; they’re all a solid notch below Josh Freeman.

            If I was a GM, I wouldn’t touch a QB above the 15th pick this year, but if I was ordered to do so by my team owner, Clausen would be my pick. He’s the lesser of many evils.

            • Hughesus Christo says:

              Floyd and Tate are elites at WR. Best in the country. The “throw it up somewhere in the vicinity of a wideout” thing was fun to watch, but (1) opened ND up to an absurd number of late game collapses and (2) makes me think Clausen is nothing special at the next level.

              Here’s a prospect with poor field vision and a lack of composure on the field. Let me get on that. I wouldn’t take him in the first, but LeFevour is he guy I’d want from this class.

  7. king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

    but teh JOHNNY DAMON???!!!

    i have to admit folks, i’m completely surprised by our entire lack of outrage, jealousy, admiration, joy and overall nonplussed reaction to the JD rumors.

    my ST trip looks like its cancelled…best pre-season games to go to in the south?

  8. http://www.asylum.com/2010/02/.....-winter-o/

    As the proud owner of two of these beasts, I can only say . . WOW!

  9. BigBlueAL says:

    Harold Reynolds just said that Girardi not having a contract for 2011 will negatively affect the way Girardi runs Spring Training, the way the players look at him and the relationships he will have this season with umpires and opposing managers.

    Ive said it once and I will say it a thousand times more, Harold Reynolds is the dumbest, stupidest, worst “analyst” on TV now and perhaps ever.

  10. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....ng-pitcher

    Kyle Farnsworth, Starter?

    I guess it can’t hurt to try. You know he sucks in relief.

  11. Just to piggyback on Al’s post, is there any way on God’s green Earth that Girardi doesn’t get at least a two year deal?

    Short of him punching out Joel Sherman or starting Molina over Posada in a playoff game, I just don’t see it.

  12. Tom Zig says:


    When Gretchen Bleiler is #20, you know you’re in for a treat.

  13. J.R. says:


    NOTES: C Jesus Montero, one of the Yankees’ top prospects, is working out at first base.

    Anyone see this or know anything else about it?

  14. Steve H says:

    So the Colts got 5.2 YPC, gave up zero sacks, and Bill Polian is pinning the loss on the O-line (and special teams.) Wow.

  15. TRich81 says:

    Anybody wonder why the Tigers would offer Damon 2 yrs for 14mm but traded Granderson? They didn’t really get much for him and their reason was they wanted to reduce payroll.

    • I’ll believe that when I see it. Right nowm it sounds like Boras spin to me. If Johnny got a 2-14 offer, I think he’d jump at it.

      • TRich81 says:

        I think so too given its coming from Heyman and he’s a Boras lackey

        • Bingo.

          Prediction, he squeezes 1-7 mil out of Dombrowski.

          BTW-If Dombrowski signs Damon for 5-7 mil. . . .ummmm . . . .why did he trade Curtis Granderson? To get OLDER?

          I thought it was a salary dump, but if Detroit signs Damon, then I’ll have to revisit that.

          • Drew says:

            They did get Scherzer and Ajax so it wasn’t a total salary dump.

            • I guess that’s what he’ll say, that they’re rebuilding. But he didn’t save any money in the outfield.

              • Drew says:

                Well, first, the deal isn’t done. Heyman said they “may have offered…” You know how that goes.

                Secondly, they would’ve owed CG 12mil for 2012 (2 mil buy out), and 14 over the next two seasons. If they’re confident in Ajax then he’ll be a much cheaper centerfielder over the next 5 years. Also, they save on E-Jax’s arb raises.

              • I guess that’s what he’ll say, that they’re rebuilding. But he didn’t save any money in the outfield.

                This year, no.

                Future years, yes. Damon’s a one-year rental. They moved Granderson and Jackson to get out from under their future salary obligations and replace their production with league-minimum guys to free up future cash to extend Verlander and remain in budget range.

                • Zack says:

                  They have 59m coming off the books after this year with: Magglio, Bonderman, Willis, Robertson, Inge.

                  They moved Jackson and Granderson but gave 14m to Valverde, and possible another 7-14m to Damon.

                  So why was Granderson’s contract a big deal when you have 60m coming off the books and when you invest 14m in a closer?

                • Drew says:

                  Their last good closer was Juan Acevedo, that’s 2002. That’s a long time to be missing out on the closer parade. They think Valverde will fit the bill. That contract doesn’t have as much to do with clearing 26 million due to Grandy.

                • Drew says:

                  Also, I’d really be surprised if they give Johnny 14. The best deal(that we know of) is 4 mil with 2 deferred. I’d guess it’s Heyman/Boras bullshit.

                • Zack says:

                  Well the statment was that Granderson was moved to clear future budget concerns. My comment was that they have SIXTY million coming off the books this year, another 13m the year after with Guillen.
                  I dont get how you move Granderson for salary concerns in the future when your only 2 contracts are Cabrera and Verlander- yet you invest 14m in Valverde and the owner gave the ok on giving 14m to Damon.

                • Drew says:

                  Well, my view of it is, they cleared future budgetary commitments. That’s a fact. The more off the books the better.. so to me, the fact that 59ish(assuming they don’t let Maggs start 140 games) is already gone isn’t necessarily in the equation.
                  Also, they may have just been really down on CG. Move him now for a good CF replacement before his value drops. They picked up a bunch of cheap talent for pricier, older talent.

                • Zack says:

                  They did clear future budget, but the only way I’m buying that is if their budget is going from ~115 down to 80 or something.

                  If they moved CG based on performance/value then that’s seperate from my payroll issue.

          • Warren says:

            Dombrowski is under the same pressure Cashman was under -
            ‘When the Boss says do something, you do it.’
            This Damon contract is solely on Mike Ilitch and Scott talking directly to him.

          • DP says:

            Johnny Damon is a prospect. He won’t hit his peak until he’s 53.

          • Stryker says:

            it was fangraphs and the national media making up the story of a salary dump on behalf of the tigers. the tigers beat writer has noted that they had severe concerns over granderson’s defense and his non-existent ability to hit left handers.

  16. Drew says:

    The Office better get their shit together tonight.

  17. bexarama says:

    Oh God why is Russell on two Survivors in a row? Noooooo (yes, I still watch that show)

  18. pat says:

    Hahaha. The Lawfirm of Seacrest and Slumdog.

  19. boychick says:

    anyone see the story about the 20-year-old shortstop Adeiny Hechevarria.


    wonder if the yanks were one of the teams there to scout him and the other players.

  20. http://www.guardian.co.uk/theg.....ilout-euro

    Folks, this may very well be to Europe what Lehman Bros was to the US. The canary in the coal mine is dead. This has the currency markets spooked beyond belief, the Euro is plummeting daily, and if a Western nation like Greece is allowed to default, the fallout could spread all over the place. This is Lehman Bros x100.

    It’s also ridiculously complicated. The Germans have their own domestic political issues, and their public wants no part of bailing out the Greeks, who have a long history of monetary problems. The French and the Germans disagree over everything, the Greeks wouldn’t be in this trouble if they had the political will to cut spending, which they don’t have and have rarely shown throughout their history. If this fails, it’s on to the IMF for Greece and that is never pretty. The IMF has strict rules and the domestic fallout can mean huge political upheaval. That’s how Chavez took over Venezuela.

    Long story short, this has the potential to sink the Euro, break up the EU and the economic fallout from that will be felt worldwide. This is the biggest economic story since Lehman failed, and it’s much, much bigger.

  21. Steve H says:

    Klaw’s always good for a few laughs in his weekly chat. I liked this one.

    Kris (Riverside, CA)
    Does Garret Anderson need 3,000 hits to get into the Hall?

    Klaw(1:39 PM)
    No, he needs TEH FEAR. Seriously, he’d be a worse selection than Rice or Dawson.

    • pete says:

      I love how impolite he ends up getting by the end of those things. I think if he hosted an RAB chat he’d feel like he’d died and gone to heaven.

      • bexarama says:

        heh, I remember someone asked him “What would you say to Schilling after he said he’d never seen steroids in the clubhouse despite playing on the 1993 Phillies, 2001 Diamondbacks, and 2004 Red Sox?” His response was, like, “Look harder.”

  22. Hughesus Christo says:

    God, why does everything we do have to be cloaked in like 15 layers of irony?

  23. Alec Baldwin loses his shit.


    Damn, who would have ever seen THIS coming, huh?

    • Pasqua says:

      The comments are unreal. It’s amazing how seriously people take this stuff. “Haiti be damned, Alec Baldwin just got angry and touched a photographer! Just like a liberal!”

  24. Drew says:

    So far so good on the office!

  25. chriskeo says:

    Hey guys, I’ve seen a lot of places that people think want Hughes to be the 5th starter next year. Who do you guys think will/should be the 5th starter?
    I personally think its Chamberlain because of his pitch arsenal that he can control, and his ability to pitch without an innings limit.

  26. JGS says:


    if he gets good enough to win 20, then damn right he could save 50

  27. My dad just complained that Nick Johnson is going to clog the bases. Please shoot me.

  28. Reggie C. says:

    Not sure if this was discussed earlier, but ESPN is saying that Antonio Pierce has been released.

    Since its just not likely that Rolando McClain is going to fall below the Dolphins, we’d all be shocked to see Reese make a reach and select a LB. A more impact player remains a DT – Dan williams or Bryan Price. I wish Pierce the best.

  29. Tom Zig says:

    JoePawl getting a shout out by Rob Neyer:


    • Hey Yo says:

      How does Neyer get credit for that article, it really is a Dave Cameron article.
      Anyway, the only reason that Dye is a free agent is because he turned down a 3 million dollar contract from the Cubs.

  30. JobaWockeeZ says:

    So when are we going to hear complaints to Cashman for not signing this guy yet for the farm?


  31. bexarama says:

    I swear, this is the whiniest site in the world:

    Like, I hadn’t visited it for weeks, and I just visited it right now, and this is the first thing on the front page? Sigh

    • Drew says:

      That shit is Oaktaggeriffic.

    • Steve H says:

      This winter, we traded the guy who succeeded for the guy who failed. It’s that simple. If people want to run around with their cyberstats and their scouting reports and tell us how smart Brian Cashman is… well… fine. We love Cash.

      But we have just traded the guy who succeeded for the guy who failed. Nothing can change that except one hell of a year from Javier Vazquez — and not as a fourth starter.

      That’s the epitome of boversimplification. Not sure why you even went back there, there are a ton of good blogs out there, but that one seems to be lacking a certain mystique and aura.

    • bexarama says:

      Also, I feel like I’ve been whining an interminable amount, so unrelated, let me just say that Nolan Ryan was pretty badass. Honestly, while he’s Hall-worthy, he shouldn’t be in the all-time great pitcher discussion, but he is just a badass.

    • This winter, we traded the guy who succeeded for the guy who failed. It’s that simple.

      No, it’s not.

      • Riffing:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkDjz_eRoaw (skip to the 3:05 mark)

        O’Reilly: It’s an evil world we live in. Lemme ask you something. And this is a serious question: Do you want the United States to win in Iraq?
        Letterman: Well, you know, in the beginning, here’s my position in the beginning; and I think I sort of felt the way everybody did: We felt like, we wanted to do something, because something terrible had been done to us; we did not understand exactly why, all we knew was, something terrible, something heinous, something obscene had been done to us. So, while it didn’t necessarily make as much sense to go into Iraq as it did, perhaps, going into Afghanistan, I, like most everybody else felt like, yes, we need to do something. We need to do something. And, as the weeks turned into months and into years, and one death became a dozen deaths, and a hundred deaths, and a thousand deaths, then we began to realize, “You know what, maybe we’re causing more trouble over there than the whole effort has been worth.”
        O’Reilly: Possible. But do you want, right now, do you want the United States to win in Iraq?
        Letterman: (sighs, pauses) First of all, I, I –
        O’Reilly: — It’s an easy question. If you, if you don’t want the United States to win in Iraq–
        Letterman: It’s not easy for me, because I’m thoughtful.

  32. MIke says:

    proposed 2010 lineup vs righties and lefties:


    • Jeter

      Swap Swisher/Cano if you’d like to break up the lefties.

    • Drew says:

      No way I have Grandy behind Gardy. He’ll probably have the lowest OBP.

      Cano(I love Cano in the 5 spot, he’s going to have a huge year. However, I doubt the Yanks start the season with him 5.)

    • Mo's Savant says:

      Why is Granderson batting ninth? That would be a lineup against someone a tough lefty like Lester or someone else. Even then Granderson would be batting seventh or eighth.

      My projected lineup:

      Vs Lefties


      Vs Righties


      • MIke says:

        i like granderson in the 9 spot w gardner on base… he can start the top of the lineup back up again and almost act as a 2nd leafoff hitter in the 9 spot… hes not gonna take damons no 2 spot he cant hit lefites and he strikes out A LOT

  33. Tommy S says:

    Does anybody know when season ticket plans go on sale?

  34. dkidd says:

    the damon to the tigers for 2 years/14M rumor can’t be true, can it? the tigers can’t be so dumb

  35. Tom Zig says:

    Is there anything more annoying when the audio and video are out of sync with each other? Like as in the character slams a door and 5 seconds after the door is slammed you hear the noise

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