Sorry for the delay, but here’s your open thread. Have at it.
2010 Royals: Worst team ever?
nah–they’ll scrape out at least 50
They won 65 last year and as bad as they are it’s not like they got appreciably worse. I say 62-100.
I don’t know–talking about stretching out Kyle Farnsworth seems as desperate as it gets. Then again, taking him out of the pen is probably worth a couple of wins right there
The key thing with the Royals is they still have Greinke which is probably worth at least 6 WAR(assuming he is healthy). Most epically bad teams don’t have a pitcher of his caliber.
3 minute delay?!?!?!? Unacceptable!
P.S. Congrats, Mr. Pawlikowski on both your promotion to Fangraphs and a Jonah Keri endorsement. Don’t forget the little people!
Thanks. Actually, though, the endorsement from Jonah led to the FanGraphs gig. He’s just such a super nice guy that he left the first comment, too.
They’re big timing us now that they have other gigs.
Fun topic: epic postseason series. And go!
Either the 2001 World Series or the 1912 World Series: 5 1-run games, an extra inning Game 7 in which the Giants scored in the top of the 10th only to lose in the bottom of the 10th, and a tie.
Game 8* forgot about the tie I just mentioned.
And only 4 1-run games…Mo, I am stupid
Do not use the name of Mo in vain!
What do you mean? Are we imagining epic matchups, or just talking about epic series of the past?
Of the past.
Obviously, the 2003 and 2004 ALCSes were pretty insane. The 2004 NLCS was crazy too, but it didn’t get a lot of attention because TEH RIVALRY was going on at the same time.
World Series in 2001, 1991, and 1926 (imagine the shitstorm that would occur should any Series ever end like that one again)
I think the bestseries ever is still 1991.
That was EPIC.
A couple of others: 1975 WS, 1952 WS, 1980 NLCS
Also just to answer my own question, pretty much the entire 1986 postseason was like balls-out.
Rec Little League championship game, 1997. We were really freakin’ good that year. We may have lost one game. Maybe. I was pretty decent at hitting, but was an absolutely terrible fielder. I had no lateral coordination. I could run in straight lines and catch the ball, but I couldn’t move from side-to-side or throw a ball accurately. It was Knoblach-ian. Anyway, despite my defensive woes, our team was stacked. I might have been one of the worst kids on the team. On other teams I’d have been fairly average, certainly not one of the worst players.
Our best player ended up getting drafted in the first round of the 2008 MLB draft (Shooter Hunt, pick #31 of the Minnesota Twins). When you’re about 11-years old and more interested in pogs and the origin of mystery boners, kids throwing 65 mph fastballs tends freak you out. Despite my paralysis in moving laterally, the coach often played me at 2nd base, my position in the championship game. It didn’t matter much—Shooter didn’t allow anyone to even hit the ball. We all just stood around as Shooter mowed down hitters.
Of course, he couldn’t pitch the whole game. So we made some substitutions and I moved out the LF. Our pitcher got freakin’ rocked. It took forever. I mean, like a 30 minute half inning. I really, really, really had to pee. I tucked, I shook around, I stomped. Nothing was working. I had to go.
Just as I’m about to turn around and pee, I see the ball hit towards my direction. I ran, dove at the ball, missed, fell and my bladder exploded. Piss all over my pants. To cover it up I emptied my entire water bottle all over my shirt and pants, hoping no one would notice. “I was getting hot so I wanted to cool off,” I would tell all suspicious parties. Turns out I’d never considered that I might just possibly smell of urine. Some kids asked me why I smelled of piss and I could only respond with “Piss? I don’t smell like pee. I ate a bunch of popcorn. That’s probably the smell.”
I used to think popcorn smelled like urine.
Anyway, we ended up losing that game and kids knew I’d peed myself.
/cool story, bro’d
um, yeah. overshare.
Now that’s epic.
That was definitely an overshare . . . but is was good.
*it was good.
I’m imagining a young JMK with piss all over him.
I was so bad I never, ever once caught a fly ball, in many chances. A fly ball once hit me in the head. And it was no line drive, it was a lollipop popup. I was in position and everything, and somehow it missed my glove. To my credit, I got up and fielded the ball quickly, though I couldn’t throw either.
I remember winning the championship game once, even though I was embarassingly awful. We weren’t even the best team, the best team was upset in the playoff round previous to ours one to nothing. We had to play them in a 3 game series. I remember losing game one after the other team made this epic eleventh hour comeback (they were on a really lucky streak apparently), where I tripped chasing after a fly ball (I wouldn’t have gotten there anyway).
Then we just systematically destroyed the other team in games 2 and 3. No contest.
Hmm.. JD has surprisingly good numbers in Comerica.
one of those numbers is more important than the others…can you guess which?
I know, I was being extremely sarcastic
should have added “/old school MSM’d”
It’s definitely a sss but 41 games is 41 games.
fuckin aye Modern Family is friggin hi-larious. It has very quickly become my 2nd favorite show on tv
How I Met Your Mother
Although this season (minus the last episode) hasn’t been that great, but I have to give it the edge based on track record
I would have guessed “The Jay Leno Show”.
Arrested Development >>> HIMYM
There needs to be about 15 greater than signs there.
Arrested Development’s gonzo though. I was talking about currently running, in-season shows. For me i’d go SP>Stella>Arrested Development>old Scrubs>>>>>>>HIMYM>MF>>>>>>err’thang else
Yep, it is damn good. I am loving Parks and Rec as well.
Word, Parks and Rec + Community = mad underrated.
Yup. Last year it was decent, good enough to watch again. This season >>>>>>>>>>>> last season.
Ron Swanson and Tom Haverford are hilarious characters.
This season of Parks and Rec is, in my eyes, about as good as TV comedy gets. Last season it felt like THe Office 2, now it has its own identity.
Agreed. Amy Poehler was just trying to be Michael Scott a little (waaay) to much.
Moshe, good to see your question got posted today in Klaw’s chat as well.
Yeah, that was nice. I was pretty sure he would answer it because he has spoken a bit on the issue before. To be perfectly honest, it was Jamal G.’s idea to ask Klaw about it, so kudos to him.
That scene in P+R when Amy Poehler was giving the forest ranger all the excuses as to why she “shot” Ron was one of the funniest of the season.
Yup. Thursday nights now have most of the good comedies, all on NBC. A lineup with The Office, 30 Rock, Parks, and Community is quite awesome.
Almost as awesome as Jeter, NJ, Tex, Arod.
I was going to say a lineup with those shows would score 900 runs, but I wasnt sure anyone would get it. Glad you went there.
My (new) apartment is cooler than yours.
Where’d you move to?
Upper west side
Nice nice, I just made the move into the upper east last week. Things are a bit more… cramped.
‘Upper’ as in Inwood or ‘Upper’ as in next door to Jerry Seinfeld?
or ‘Upper’ as in “I’m high on Methamphetamines”?
Upper as in the 96th one train is like half a block away from me.
how long would it take you to walk to the Stadium ?
They have 96 one trains? Wouldn’t like, 2-3 be enough?
can’t afford heat yet?
Heh. Something like that.
Any Bills fans out their? I hope they can nab Jimmy Clausen, though it’s doubtful.
ESPN draft projection says Sam Bradford to the bills.
The Raiders will grab Usain Bolt. You heard it hear first, folks.
Having never played a game of football before, he still probably has better hands than Heyward Bey.
ha ha IETC..
I actually think Davis might finally go another route and pick the big OT Bruce Campbell
That would be smart. Campbell is a beast. I’d take him on the Gmen any day. Does AL have the ability to make a non flashy 1st round pick?
Yes, but he still screws it up.
An yet, Gallery may still be the best player on the offence.
I’m so happy I’m a Yankees fan.
Bode Miller…Al Davis hasn’t heard about the “long sticks under his feet” yet.
I’m a Notre Dame fan. Don’t get too excited about Clausen.
I’m an NFL fan. Clausen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the other QB prospects this year.
College: not the NFL
Will Clausen have the two best WRs in the NFL too? Because he wasn’t very good dealing with anything else.
Not sure where you’re going with this.
Did Clausen play with great players around him making him look better? Yes. So does every other QB prospect in this draft class.
Fact remains, he’s still a much better pro prospect than everyone else in this class, including Bradford, who has yet to demonstrate that he can actually
A) play in a pro-style offense, under center
B) read a pro-style defense
C) do both of those things quickly and decisively
Now, I’m not saying Clausen is a great QB prospect. Just saying he’s much better than Bradford/McCoy/LeFevour/Tebow/Clark/et. al. It’s a bad class. All these guys would be second rounders tops a year ago; they’re all a solid notch below Josh Freeman.
If I was a GM, I wouldn’t touch a QB above the 15th pick this year, but if I was ordered to do so by my team owner, Clausen would be my pick. He’s the lesser of many evils.
Floyd and Tate are elites at WR. Best in the country. The “throw it up somewhere in the vicinity of a wideout” thing was fun to watch, but (1) opened ND up to an absurd number of late game collapses and (2) makes me think Clausen is nothing special at the next level.
Here’s a prospect with poor field vision and a lack of composure on the field. Let me get on that. I wouldn’t take him in the first, but LeFevour is he guy I’d want from this class.
Floyd and Tate are elites at WR. Best in the country.
Yeah… no. They’re good, but let’s dial back on the hyperbole.
I’m coming back to this wayyyyyyyyyy late.
Tate won all the big receiving awards this year and is going to be a top 15 pick. And despite this, he was clearly the Welker to Floyd’s Moss when both were on the field. So no, I’m not going to dial anything down.
but teh JOHNNY DAMON???!!!
i have to admit folks, i’m completely surprised by our entire lack of outrage, jealousy, admiration, joy and overall nonplussed reaction to the JD rumors.
my ST trip looks like its cancelled…best pre-season games to go to in the south?
As the proud owner of two of these beasts, I can only say . . WOW!
Harold Reynolds just said that Girardi not having a contract for 2011 will negatively affect the way Girardi runs Spring Training, the way the players look at him and the relationships he will have this season with umpires and opposing managers.
Ive said it once and I will say it a thousand times more, Harold Reynolds is the dumbest, stupidest, worst “analyst” on TV now and perhaps ever.
Yeah, and Mariano Rivera not having a contract past this year will affect how opposing hitters view him as well.
Mo + “contract year effect” = The Rapture
Seriously, I’d love for the RABbis to really do a study and see if players, on average, really perform better during contract years. I have always had this nagging suspicion that the whole contract year thing was a myth.
BP already did it. The answer was no, they don’t perform better.
Ha, I figured as much.
Mo’s last contract year was easily his worst year ever (we’re talking Mo here, so it was still pretty good, and I think he had a freakishly high BABIP and had a couple of terrible outings early on that inflated his ERA the rest of the way). Posada and A-Rod’s last contract year were some of their best years ever. (shrug)
He’s not worse than John Kruk but he’s pretty not-good. Or at least, his logic makes absolutely no sense a lot of the time.
John Kruk hasn’t yet learned to chew food before swallowing. Harold Reynolds, even in a Shiavo-state, will never be as dumb as Kruk.
Kruk at least was a very good hitter when he played and when he is talking about hitting or breaking down hitters he does a good job. When he tries to make predictions and stuff he sucks but at least you can see he knows about hitting.
Harold Reynolds doesnt know about shit period.
He’s also really annoying. I still think Kruk is way dumber, though.
John Kruk makes Harold Reynolds look like Leonardo daVinci.
(There’s a Steve Lombardi joke in there somewhere too.)
Kyle Farnsworth, Starter?
I guess it can’t hurt to try. You know he sucks in relief.
What are the odds Farnsworth pitches as well as another onetime Cub, Dempster?
which means if his arm falls off from the attempt, then at least he isn’t hurting the team out of the pen
Just to piggyback on Al’s post, is there any way on God’s green Earth that Girardi doesn’t get at least a two year deal?
Short of him punching out Joel Sherman or starting Molina over Posada in a playoff game, I just don’t see it.
Considering the latter has actually happened, when did I miss the former?
You’re just no fun at all. Boooooo.
I think him punching out Joel Sherman would get him a lifetime contract.
Starting Molina over Posada just might win him a World Series.
When Gretchen Bleiler is #20, you know you’re in for a treat.
Sorry but Kournikova should be #1 in any list of best looking female athletes.
Does she even count as an athlete?
NOTES: C Jesus Montero, one of the Yankees’ top prospects, is working out at first base.
Anyone see this or know anything else about it?
have P&C even reported yet? where’d that come from?
It makes sense. Somebody from RAB pointed out a few days ago that by the time he’s 27, Tex’s contract will be up. Then we could move him to 1b after having him DH a few years before that.
Of course this is making the very large assumption that we won’t want Tex anymore, but still.
That was the dope who suggested he’s trade bait. What a maroon.
That obviously means that were in discussions to strike a deal for Adrian Gonzalez, to keep him away from the Red Sox.
Eh, I doubt the pitchers are even doing bullpens right now. He’s probably just getting some work in. Can’t hurt to break in the 1b glove a little bit.
He was working out at first in winter ball too.
Wasn’t this Miguel Montero?
Either way, this has to be a little unsurprising, no? Don’t catchers get semi-regular work at the corners in the minors?
So the Colts got 5.2 YPC, gave up zero sacks, and Bill Polian is pinning the loss on the O-line (and special teams.) Wow.
I was thinking about doing that as a post but using numbers are “bookish,” so it didn’t appeal to me.
I should have something up tonight, though.
I just uploaded something for Saturday morning. If you get a chance, take a look and let me know if I should throw a spreadsheet* in there, pretty long as is, and the spreadsheet would 32 rows, 8 columns, so it might be clumsy.
*where baseball should really be played
Anybody wonder why the Tigers would offer Damon 2 yrs for 14mm but traded Granderson? They didn’t really get much for him and their reason was they wanted to reduce payroll.
I’ll believe that when I see it. Right nowm it sounds like Boras spin to me. If Johnny got a 2-14 offer, I think he’d jump at it.
I think so too given its coming from Heyman and he’s a Boras lackey
Prediction, he squeezes 1-7 mil out of Dombrowski.
BTW-If Dombrowski signs Damon for 5-7 mil. . . .ummmm . . . .why did he trade Curtis Granderson? To get OLDER?
I thought it was a salary dump, but if Detroit signs Damon, then I’ll have to revisit that.
They did get Scherzer and Ajax so it wasn’t a total salary dump.
I guess that’s what he’ll say, that they’re rebuilding. But he didn’t save any money in the outfield.
Well, first, the deal isn’t done. Heyman said they “may have offered…” You know how that goes.
Secondly, they would’ve owed CG 12mil for 2012 (2 mil buy out), and 14 over the next two seasons. If they’re confident in Ajax then he’ll be a much cheaper centerfielder over the next 5 years. Also, they save on E-Jax’s arb raises.
Just to be clear, it’s ten mil for 2012 plus the buy out in 2013 for 2 mil.
This year, no.
Future years, yes. Damon’s a one-year rental. They moved Granderson and Jackson to get out from under their future salary obligations and replace their production with league-minimum guys to free up future cash to extend Verlander and remain in budget range.
They have 59m coming off the books after this year with: Magglio, Bonderman, Willis, Robertson, Inge.
They moved Jackson and Granderson but gave 14m to Valverde, and possible another 7-14m to Damon.
So why was Granderson’s contract a big deal when you have 60m coming off the books and when you invest 14m in a closer?
Their last good closer was Juan Acevedo, that’s 2002. That’s a long time to be missing out on the closer parade. They think Valverde will fit the bill. That contract doesn’t have as much to do with clearing 26 million due to Grandy.
Also, I’d really be surprised if they give Johnny 14. The best deal(that we know of) is 4 mil with 2 deferred. I’d guess it’s Heyman/Boras bullshit.
Well the statment was that Granderson was moved to clear future budget concerns. My comment was that they have SIXTY million coming off the books this year, another 13m the year after with Guillen.
I dont get how you move Granderson for salary concerns in the future when your only 2 contracts are Cabrera and Verlander- yet you invest 14m in Valverde and the owner gave the ok on giving 14m to Damon.
Well, my view of it is, they cleared future budgetary commitments. That’s a fact. The more off the books the better.. so to me, the fact that 59ish(assuming they don’t let Maggs start 140 games) is already gone isn’t necessarily in the equation.
Also, they may have just been really down on CG. Move him now for a good CF replacement before his value drops. They picked up a bunch of cheap talent for pricier, older talent.
They did clear future budget, but the only way I’m buying that is if their budget is going from ~115 down to 80 or something.
If they moved CG based on performance/value then that’s seperate from my payroll issue.
Dombrowski is under the same pressure Cashman was under -
‘When the Boss says do something, you do it.’
This Damon contract is solely on Mike Ilitch and Scott talking directly to him.
Johnny Damon is a prospect. He won’t hit his peak until he’s 53.
it was fangraphs and the national media making up the story of a salary dump on behalf of the tigers. the tigers beat writer has noted that they had severe concerns over granderson’s defense and his non-existent ability to hit left handers.
The Office better get their shit together tonight.
Not going to happen. The show is still good, but it probably will never be great again.
Eh, they can usually crank it up for a few great episodes a season. It’s just kind of going nowhere at this point.
We’ll see. Sabre is a new angle and hopefully they run with it. Last week, the first Sabre ep was definitely a bummer though.
I guess. The Michael Scott Paper Company was actually pretty great last season.
Agreed. I just think that it has nowhere else to go. It was a revolutionary show, but I think it has settled in a bit, which is a bad thing for a show like that. They should just bring Holly back, have Michael end up happy (or with a chance for happiness) and call it a day.
I find The Office getting meaner, if that makes sense. The characters are more and more unlikeable. They may have jumped the shark when they turned Pam and Jim into a married couple.
Tonight’s ep has been high quality
I agree, it was quite good.
Oh God why is Russell on two Survivors in a row? Noooooo (yes, I still watch that show)
Heh they asked the guy in the Red Sox hat about being scrappy and gritty.
Sweet Jesus H. Montero, that show’s still on the air?
(checks TV listings)
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT, MTV STILL MAKES NEW SEASONS OF THE REAL WORLD?
The snow/wind ruined my tree and almost my truck.
Could be worse, you could have 96 One-Trains a half a block from your house like Rebecca does.
I just don’t know how the poor girl sleeps.
Hahaha. The Lawfirm of Seacrest and Slumdog.
Ha this is a sick episode.
Good, quick read on Wang from Will Caroll.
$400 in sentences I don’t want to read, Alex…
anyone see the story about the 20-year-old shortstop Adeiny Hechevarria.
wonder if the yanks were one of the teams there to scout him and the other players.
More importantly, them cats over in Cuba must be looking at what Chap got and consider a change of scenery.
Rumor is he may get more than Iglesias. I’d be a bit concerned about his bat, but the glove will play if scouting reports are to be believed.
So that means the small market Sox are out of it, I still don’t know where they came up with the $8 million for Iglesias.
Folks, this may very well be to Europe what Lehman Bros was to the US. The canary in the coal mine is dead. This has the currency markets spooked beyond belief, the Euro is plummeting daily, and if a Western nation like Greece is allowed to default, the fallout could spread all over the place. This is Lehman Bros x100.
It’s also ridiculously complicated. The Germans have their own domestic political issues, and their public wants no part of bailing out the Greeks, who have a long history of monetary problems. The French and the Germans disagree over everything, the Greeks wouldn’t be in this trouble if they had the political will to cut spending, which they don’t have and have rarely shown throughout their history. If this fails, it’s on to the IMF for Greece and that is never pretty. The IMF has strict rules and the domestic fallout can mean huge political upheaval. That’s how Chavez took over Venezuela.
Long story short, this has the potential to sink the Euro, break up the EU and the economic fallout from that will be felt worldwide. This is the biggest economic story since Lehman failed, and it’s much, much bigger.
The IMF has a woeful track record. It’s amazing how much faith well-read people have in that institution.
They’re the lender of last resort, and even when their austerity plans work it usually means a big drop in the standard of living for citizens of that country. But the alternative is generally worse. Currency collapse, runaway inflation, massive wealth destruction. Venezuela went from having the largest middle class in South America to reversing all the gains they made in what seemed to be overnight. From 2/3 of the population down to 1/3 middle class in roughly a year, and the people who slipped down almost always fell into poverty.
The IMF isn’t pleasant, but when guys like Chavez take over, then nothing ever gets better.
Unless your poor already.
i’m intimidated by your worldliness
Wait till you see my cleanliness and godliness.
How ’bout them Yankees?
It doesn’t even matter anymore.
The problem with that take is that it assumes that government can fix these things. Greece is an example of how it can’t, and it’s mostly political.
Also, if you ask businesses why they’re not hiring, it’s generally not because of tax reasons, or lack of access to credit. It’s because there’s no demand out there. They don’t need tax breaks, they need customers. But the uncertainty the President has been creating on a daily basis with Health care, cap and trade, increased regulations, etc. have simply added uncertainty to an otherwise bad business environment. So he’s taken a bad situation and made it worse.
K, Glenn. Chill out.
Yeah, this is what happens when you let countries into the euro that may have not been ready to handle it…
Klaw’s always good for a few laughs in his weekly chat. I liked this one.
Kris (Riverside, CA)
Does Garret Anderson need 3,000 hits to get into the Hall?
No, he needs TEH FEAR. Seriously, he’d be a worse selection than Rice or Dawson.
I love how impolite he ends up getting by the end of those things. I think if he hosted an RAB chat he’d feel like he’d died and gone to heaven.
heh, I remember someone asked him “What would you say to Schilling after he said he’d never seen steroids in the clubhouse despite playing on the 1993 Phillies, 2001 Diamondbacks, and 2004 Red Sox?” His response was, like, “Look harder.”
God, why does everything we do have to be cloaked in like 15 layers of irony?
because iron is good for us and we need it in our blood. or hasn’t your mother taught you anything when she calls down the basement stairs to you?
you know what, that wasn’t very good at all. I’m disappointed in myself. Damn you RAB and your lack of a delete function!
Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.
Cmdr. Buck Murdock
Alpha Beta Lunar Base
Alec Baldwin loses his shit.
Damn, who would have ever seen THIS coming, huh?
The comments are unreal. It’s amazing how seriously people take this stuff. “Haiti be damned, Alec Baldwin just got angry and touched a photographer! Just like a liberal!”
So far so good on the office!
I agree, it was a really good episode. And I’m happy Jim is back in sales.
Hey guys, I’ve seen a lot of places that people think want Hughes to be the 5th starter next year. Who do you guys think will/should be the 5th starter?
I personally think its Chamberlain because of his pitch arsenal that he can control, and his ability to pitch without an innings limit.
Joba. The training wheels are off. It’s not because I feel like his arsenal is better. Strictly the innings and the fact that he’s going to be a good starter.
I want Phil in Scranton until something happens to one of our 5 other starters.
Joba, hands down. The lack of an innings cap is huge, he can just go out and pitch, and it will also save the bullpen and the rest of the starters from overtaxation. It’ll make Girardi’s job a hell of a lot easier too.
What Drew and Steve H said.
You really mailed it in there.
Shouldn’t you be wearing the bucket?
if he gets good enough to win 20, then damn right he could save 50
The sad thing is, the people who think that also think that 50 saves is better/more important than 20 wins.
Both wins AND saves are dumb stats, but I guaranfrickintee you that 10 times out of 9 a 20 game winner is more integral to a team’s success than a 50-save reliever. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I want a 20-win starter over a 50-save reliever. Even if I already have 4 other 20-game winners and a bullpen full of shit.
Remember when K-Rod got MVP votes? That was thoroughly awful. Not only because any starting pitcher is pretty much more valuable than any relief pitcher, but because K-Rod, the magical SAVES stat aside, was having like the fourth- or fifth-best season of any reliever in the AL! So silly.
fourth- or fifth-best season of any reliever in the AL on his own team
I admit I was almost sort of happy that the Red Sox hit that go-ahead home run off of him in last year’s ALDS. Not fully, but ALMOST. Especially since it was JD Drew, who everyone in Boston hates the way dumb Yankee fans hate A-Rod.
Yeah, I really don’t get the J.D. Drew hate. He’s a good player.
He’s great. I don’t get the hate for him and I REALLY don’t get why he was batting, like, seventh or eighth so often in the past season. I mean, he has a gritbeard, what else does Boston want?
Plus defense, high OBP, great slugging. He’s a .900 OPS player.
Apparently he’s an injury machine but he’s a pretty good ballplayer.
right. thinking 50 saves > 20 wins, or even 50 saves = 20 wins is just absurd
wins may be a dumb stat but it’s pretty hard to get to 20 unless you had a damn good season
Well I think that depends on the era.
Aren’t 50-save relievers a function of coincidence rather than the reliever’s actual skill?
Bring me Porcello’s last five stahts!
29 IP, 2.48 ERA, 1.310 WHIP…I don’t get it
Those are the guys who have saved 50 games in a year. Only 2 of them could win 20, and Eckersely, by the time he saved 50 games, had no chance of winning 20.
If Joba pitches well enough to win 20, he’s done a hell of a lot more good than anyone saving 50.
A guy who gets 20 wins only contributed to 20 of his team’s wins. A guy who gets 50 saves contributed to 50!!!. That’s THIRTY more than twenty!!!!
Let me also add the list of 20 game winners who could have saved 50 games.
this was my point in posting this
Yeah, thank Mo Joba gets it.
Greg Maddux doesn’t have the “bull in a china shop” mentality to close.
Greg Maddux’ nicknam: Bulldog
He would have saved 150 games a year if those idiots didn’t keep him in the rotation.
Just imagine if they would have moved Maddux to closer: with that rotation full of Cy Young winners, and Maddux closing, they would have won like 5 titles or more.
My dad just complained that Nick Johnson is going to clog the bases. Please shoot me.
Ask him if he would rather have Wily Tavares not clogging the bases.
He’s of the “The Yankees need Johnny Damon” contingent.
Is he not aware that we signed Nick Johnson?
Well, if it’s not broke, don’t fix it right?
He’s old. Old people say dumb stuff because they learned things back in the past when humanity was dumber.
It is what it is.
My mom was talking the other day about how Dice-K is the best pitcher in baseball
Do you live in Massachusetts? You seem to know a lot of people who seem to like the Red Sox and don’t know shit about baseball. I do live in Mass., and these people are in abundance unfortunately.
I went to college not in Massachusetts but I was surrounded by Red Sox fans. It was a scary, scary time. I might have said this, but the Red Sox fans I know from college are terrible and so so so dumb, while the ones from high school are awesome.
My mom is a HUGE Yankee fan, she just was going on and on about how Dice-K had to be so great because he won 18 games. She’s one of those people that only cares about how many games pitchers win; she may still be complaining about how AJ went 13-9.
Me too, I went to a school in Miami and had to watch the 2004 series in the dorms with new band-wagoner Red Sox fans. Worst.
Wow. If you posted like alex gonzalez you’d actually have an excuse. At least you found RAB and get to discuss baseball with some more advanced fans.
I’m starting to think every frat boy type in college must root for the Red Sox.
It’s like the whole state just combined their trash, and turned it into douchey college aged white guys who try to grow grit beards, then unleashed them on the rest of America.
Errr, I should probably actually answer your question and say no, I don’t live in Mass. My college wasn’t in Massachusetts, but was full of Red Sox fans, and a lot of them were post-2004 bandwagon fans and terribly, terribly stupid when it came to baseball.
The Red Sox fans from my high school were pretty chill. I just can’t ever watch a Yankees/Sox game with them, haha.
post-2004 bandwagon fans
Commonly referred to as “pink hats”
Haha, yeah I’ve heard that phrase before, but most of ‘em were dudes, including one that looks pretty much exactly like Jacoby Ellsbury. Not gonna lie, Tacoby’s a good-looking man, but:
a. I can’t think of him as hot when I think of him as looking like that guy.
b. YOU DO NOT STEAL HOME AGAINST MY ANDY AND GET AWAY WITH IT!
And my dad said Fuentes had a better 2009 than Mariano because he had more saves.
My advice: start drinking heavily.
Oh yeah? My dad said he would not give Mariano for Albert Pujols hypothetically.
I wanted to say something but not at a risk of a lecture on how I’m “wrong.”
He uses the phrase “True Yankee™”, doesn’t he?
Oh yeah. He’s a Mets fan though but yes he does use the “true” thing.
Does your dad have money? I have some boxes of “authentic” sports memorabilia I’d like to sell him.
Haha nope. He’s kinda a cheapie. =/
My dad pleasantly surprised me the other night when he agreed that Jeter would be harder to replace than would Rivera. I was happily shocked.
Also, heh, I should add that my mom was talking about, a while ago, how she liked NJ a lot but didn’t want him batting second because “he’s slow,” and then I pointed out that he could run as damn slowly as he wants when he’s got two guys behind him that could combine for, what, 80 HRs? She said I had a point.
You should have a baseball intervention for your parents.
There’s a lot not to like about Dusty Baker, but the fact that he brought “base clogging” into the baseball lexicon is, far and away, the most infuriating.
But, on second thought, how the hell are the Yanks supposed to score runs this year if Nick Johnson is too damn slow to go first-to-third on all of those weak, dribbler singles that Tex and A-Rod are notorious for hitting? I mean, really…
Yeah I mean how will Nick Johnson fare being on base when Teix and A-Rod combine for around 70-80 homers?
Not sure if this was discussed earlier, but ESPN is saying that Antonio Pierce has been released.
Since its just not likely that Rolando McClain is going to fall below the Dolphins, we’d all be shocked to see Reese make a reach and select a LB. A more impact player remains a DT – Dan williams or Bryan Price. I wish Pierce the best.
Price makes a lot of sense. You need someone to generate pressure up the middle of that defense, particularly if you’re including more Tampa 2.
Is he too small to play in the 3-4?
Who, Price? No, but he’d play the 5 technique as a 3-4 DE, Richard Seymour/Shaun Ellis style.
He’s a better fit as a 4-3 3-technique passrushing DT, though.
Sorry, I meant Pierce.
Meh, Pierce is solid as one of your two ILBs in a 3-4. He’s lost a step, but he’s still big and physical and a solid tackler. You can hide his weaknesses quite will in a 3-4, I’d surmise.
You’re going to want to pair him with an top-shelf ILB blitz partner, though, or you’re severely limiting your ability to generate pressure up the middle. Pierce is strictly a chase-and-tackle guy now, he doesn’t have the wheels to rush the passer.
I’m not sad at all to see Pierce go.
JoePawl getting a shout out by Rob Neyer:
How does Neyer get credit for that article, it really is a Dave Cameron article.
Anyway, the only reason that Dye is a free agent is because he turned down a 3 million dollar contract from the Cubs.
So when are we going to hear complaints to Cashman for not signing this guy yet for the farm?
I think it already started. But seriously, I do hope they at least give him a look. (which I’m sure they will/have)
Yeah me too. If the Yanks like him, it wouldn’t hurt to sign him.
I swear, this is the whiniest site in the world:
Like, I hadn’t visited it for weeks, and I just visited it right now, and this is the first thing on the front page? Sigh
That shit is Oaktaggeriffic.
This winter, we traded the guy who succeeded for the guy who failed. It’s that simple. If people want to run around with their cyberstats and their scouting reports and tell us how smart Brian Cashman is… well… fine. We love Cash.
But we have just traded the guy who succeeded for the guy who failed. Nothing can change that except one hell of a year from Javier Vazquez — and not as a fourth starter.
That’s the epitome of boversimplification. Not sure why you even went back there, there are a ton of good blogs out there, but that one seems to be lacking a certain mystique and aura.
Did I do that?
Also, I feel like I’ve been whining an interminable amount, so unrelated, let me just say that Nolan Ryan was pretty badass. Honestly, while he’s Hall-worthy, he shouldn’t be in the all-time great pitcher discussion, but he is just a badass.
I agree. Nolan Ryan is a badass.
And a juicer. (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
THAT WAS THE GREATEST BASEBALL-RELATED THING I HAVE EVER SEEN other than Aaron Boone, “Mr. November,” Andy’s RBI in the World Series, Manny’s dive to prevent the ball from getting to the cutoff man in like 2005 or so, and… well… okay, a lot of other things. But it was fantastic.
If you break out a Yankee division, and a Manny division, that would certainly be near the top. Second favorite Manny one was the running catch at the wall, jumps up and slaps 5 with a fan (in Camden), then throws to double the guy off 1st (I think they got the DP).
The high-five thing was AWESOME.
Yeah, Ryan’s rather overrated. I still vote Glavine as the most overrated pitcher ever, though (but I haven’t done much legwork on this).
he put up a 134 ERA+ over 12 years from 1991-2002 with only two years in there below 125
He will breeze into the Hall of Fame when he at least should have a hard time because of the 300 wins, but he was a pretty darn good pitcher
This winter, we traded the guy who succeeded for the guy who failed. It’s that simple.
No, it’s not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkDjz_eRoaw (skip to the 3:05 mark)
O’Reilly: It’s an evil world we live in. Lemme ask you something. And this is a serious question: Do you want the United States to win in Iraq?
Letterman: Well, you know, in the beginning, here’s my position in the beginning; and I think I sort of felt the way everybody did: We felt like, we wanted to do something, because something terrible had been done to us; we did not understand exactly why, all we knew was, something terrible, something heinous, something obscene had been done to us. So, while it didn’t necessarily make as much sense to go into Iraq as it did, perhaps, going into Afghanistan, I, like most everybody else felt like, yes, we need to do something. We need to do something. And, as the weeks turned into months and into years, and one death became a dozen deaths, and a hundred deaths, and a thousand deaths, then we began to realize, “You know what, maybe we’re causing more trouble over there than the whole effort has been worth.”
O’Reilly: Possible. But do you want, right now, do you want the United States to win in Iraq?
Letterman: (sighs, pauses) First of all, I, I –
O’Reilly: — It’s an easy question. If you, if you don’t want the United States to win in Iraq–
Letterman: It’s not easy for me, because I’m thoughtful.
proposed 2010 lineup vs righties and lefties:
Swap Swisher/Cano if you’d like to break up the lefties.
Then you have Gritner and Cano (unless you put Winn or somebody else in there).
No way I have Grandy behind Gardy. He’ll probably have the lowest OBP.
Cano(I love Cano in the 5 spot, he’s going to have a huge year. However, I doubt the Yanks start the season with him 5.)
My five spot list goes:
Word. I’m just so pumped for CG and Robbie. They’re both going to kill it.
I like JoPo 6th. I really don’t know why, I have no real reasoning for it.
Yeah, I’m real excited for Granderson.
Why is Granderson batting ninth? That would be a lineup against someone a tough lefty like Lester or someone else. Even then Granderson would be batting seventh or eighth.
My projected lineup:
i like granderson in the 9 spot w gardner on base… he can start the top of the lineup back up again and almost act as a 2nd leafoff hitter in the 9 spot… hes not gonna take damons no 2 spot he cant hit lefites and he strikes out A LOT
Does anybody know when season ticket plans go on sale?
the damon to the tigers for 2 years/14M rumor can’t be true, can it? the tigers can’t be so dumb
Is there anything more annoying when the audio and video are out of sync with each other? Like as in the character slams a door and 5 seconds after the door is slammed you hear the noise
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