Why Jermaine Dye never fit with the Yankees

The stats we use: WPA and LI
Thursday Open Thread

As the Yankees searched for a left field solution this winter, we heard Jermaine Dye’s name mentioned more than a few times. Now he’s in a boat worse than Damon’s, having turned down a one-year, $3 million offer from the Cubs before they signed Xavier Nady. Now it appears no team is interested in him at anywhere near that level. In my debut post at FanGraphs, I look at four reasons why teams are staying away from Dye. When you consider his defense and his horrendous numbers to right field, the case basically makes itself.

The stats we use: WPA and LI
Thursday Open Thread
  • Five Toolz

    Was Jermaine ever a decent defender besides his range? I remember him having a cannon arm in RF for the royals in his earlier days…

    • 28 next year

      the thing is, an OF arm while important is far less important than range. It bothers me when people start saying they are good defenders because of their arm. Like Melky, everyone is like he is really good because of his arm but really he is average which is good but not very good.

      • bexarama

        I was reading a board somewhere and they said Melky had the best outfield arm they’d ever seen. W h a t ????

        • pete

          He can throw with the best of them, but it hasn’t added up to that much value so far in his career.

          • bexarama

            He had a good arm. But the best arm ever?

            • pete

              oh yeah no definitely not. He’s not in the Dawson/Ichiro/Guerrero/Guillen in their primes mold.

              • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                Dwight Evans.

                Hands. down.

              • Tom Zig

                Ichiro’s best arm years:

                2003 in RF: 8.6
                2007 in CF: 7.6

                Vladmir Guerrero best year:

                2002 in RF: 10.1
                (huge decline from 2003 onward)

                Nick Markakis’s best year:

                2008 in RF: 7.2

              • Bobtaco

                My grandfather said Bob Meusel, look it up…

                • Cecala

                  Roberto Clemente was #1 on prime 9

      • Five Toolz

        Very true. I do agree with you, but for some weird reason i remember him being a plus defender(on ATL/KC/OAK) while making web gems normally. It seemed liked it wasnt too long ago when he was the hot commodity comming from the royals back in the 01 trade deadline only to end up with the A’s..

        • 28 next year

          Well web gems are what make Tacoby Bellsbury the best CF in the world.

        • 28 next year

          back in the day, Dye might have been average but I can’t imagine him being better than that consistently. Theirs declines but something has to explain four straight years of defense with UZR ratings below -20. Even if you don’t accept UZR, that can’t be a fluke for four years

    • scooter

      Fangraphs’ defensive metrics only go back to 2002:

      Dye had a positive UZR once – in 2004 – and was OK in 2005. Otherwise he’s been consistently putrid

      Regarding injury, there is a note on the Fangraphs page that Dye had a sore back in September – it could have contributed to his awful 2nd half in 2009.

      Hard to imagine Dye will get much… then again, it’s been reported that Detroit just offered Damon 2/$14, so who knows?

    • Accent Shallow

      Dye’s reputation was that of a good defender in his younger years, and Total Zone has him as average or better, with a nice rating as recently as ’04.

  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Do Not Feed The Trolls!

    You dont really have to convince any of us. No one on RAB was really pushing for him.

  • 28 next year

    looking at fangraphs dollar values for Dye since 2002, Dye has only been worth his salary two years and negative for three years.

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    We would like to welcome Joe Pawlikowski to the FanGraphs team. We don’t hold his Yankee fandom against him, and neither should you.

    Ha. Damn right.

  • Accent Shallow

    Congrats, Joe.

  • Jramey

    I remember seeing Vlad do something for charity in Yankee Stadium, he threw a ball from the right field corner to the seats in Left field line – on a line.

    • Gary

      Seen him do it during the warmup from 3rd base to the CF bleachers at the stadium too.