Fan Confidence Poll: March 29th, 2010

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2010 Season Preview: Help from within

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Given the team's current roster construction, farm system, management, etc., how confident are you in the Yankees' overall future?
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2010 Season Preview: Help from within
  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    Confidence Level: 8.

    Goodbye, numbers 10 and 11… it was nice knowing ya.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      This. I’ll go back to 27 if Joba is in AAA but that’s pretty much shot down all but officially.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      I’m with you, Tommie. I’m seriously looking into into jumping on the “Fire Dave Eiland” bangwagon.

      • Bo

        He just helped win a WS and you want to fire him because he sees a young pitcher as an elite reliever. Makes sense.

        • Rick in Boston

          Weren’t you leading the “Fire Eiland” charge last April?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            O:S

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I’m curious to see how this turns out after the fifth starter decision…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      See above. My days of voting 10 (which I’ve done almost religiously since the beginning of this poll) are now done. I can’t see myself voting a 10 at any point in the foreseeable future unless the FO starts demonstrating a greater level of wisdom, foresight, patience, and planning in regards to the development of young starting pitchers.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Makes you wonder what would have happened if Hughes didn’t get hurt in 2007 and 2008.

      • kimonizer

        I have been a solid nine for a long time because I always liked the idea that there is always to improve, and had done so religiously for the same reason. I think we might have the strongest team in a long long time as well.

        But the lack of clarity and vision in the Joba thing is disappointing. It only makes sense if they know something we don’t know. In that case they could at least provide maybe a little hint of what is going on. For that reason I dropped down to an 8 until the Joba to bullpen nonsense has been fully explained.

        I think a major coup would be if the RABbis could get an interview with Cashman and non-antagonistcally express the many valid concerns and arguments that have been expressed here the past couple of months. This blog would actually be a great forum for that kind of interview since the conversation has been so flushed out in posts and in the comments, the blog is part of the YES network, and since Joe, Ben, and Mike have proven to show discretion and quality when dealing with such major issues.

        • kimonizer

          **room to improve.

      • OldYanksFan

        “…unless the FO starts demonstrating a greater level of wisdom, foresight, patience, and planning…”

        C’mon Dude. Do you honestly think you know more about what’s going on in Yankeeland… then the guys who literally spend millions of dollars, have tons of personel and information at their disposal, and are paid millions for doing their FULL TIME JOB (not that that alone makes someone good at their job)?

        The Yankees do EXACTLY what we want. They WIN NOW.
        It’s obvious from Cashman’s moves of the last 3 years that the payroll and future of the team are always under consideration.

        We did not trade Phil, Joba or Montero.

        And last year, they did WIN NOW… right?

        Decisions like Joba are always day to day. His future has not been decided. His future is based on WIN NOW, like every decision the Yankees make.

        There are a million things the FO knows that we don’t.
        Good decision making is based on determining your GOALS, processing ALL AVAILABLE DATA, and making decisions to obtain said goals. This is exactly what Cashman does.

        Think about it.
        How much DATA on the Yankees does Cashman have?

        How much DATA on the Yankees do you or I have?
        BaseballReference.com?
        Buster Olney?
        The YES site?

        Did you know Joba has a tiny tear in his shoulder, which would be exposed by starting… and the Yankees are going to pump up his value as a BP guy and then trade him?

        Did you know Joba’s motion was analyzed by the finest doctors and pitching experts that money can buy (this cost the Yankees $823,113.87) and it was determined he will break down as a starter?

        Did you know the plan is, that if Phil has a good first half, he will be traded when his value is high, and Joba will slide into the rotation?

        Did you know that Joba is still drinking a lot?

        Please tell me what “wisdom, foresight, patience, and planning” AND Experience….. you have, that millions of dollars worth of Yankee professional people don’t?

        I understand that FO people in any business can be morons, but I have not seen anything Cashman has done for me to reach that conclusion (but what about Iggy everyone cries….)

        And the bottom line is that regardless of how good you are at this baseball thing, RESULTS are as much determined by luck and fate, as good management. It’s almost ALWAYS a roll of the dice.

        Roll the dice. Beckett or Hanley?
        Roll the dice. $200m for Mauer?
        Roll the dice. Crisp or Damon?
        Roll the dice. After 2003, lock up Prior for 10 years?
        Roll the dice. ARod hits 800 HRs, and fans still talking about him in 2087?

        This ain’t physics.
        There are not absolute answers.

        Roll the dice. Where Joba next year?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Decisions like Joba are always day to day. His future has not been decided. His future is based on WIN NOW, like every decision the Yankees make.

          That’s the problem. That’s not a wise strategy. You have to always keep both the short term AND the long term in mind in decision making.

          And no, I don’t have to be a part of the Yankees organization to see that the team does not have a well thought out development strategy for young pitchers. The lack of a plan is self-evident. There’s no secret data that Cashman would have that would explain the utter lack of consistency and patience they’ve demonstrated over the past half-decade.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Also:

          It’s obvious from Cashman’s moves of the last 3 years that the payroll and future of the team are always under consideration.

          No, it’s not. Not anymore. If it were obvious that the payroll and future of the team was always under consideration, then Mark Melancon would be in the MLB bullpen and one of Joba or Phil would be in Scranton.

          Did you know Joba has a tiny tear in his shoulder, which would be exposed by starting… and the Yankees are going to pump up his value as a BP guy and then trade him?

          Did you know Joba’s motion was analyzed by the finest doctors and pitching experts that money can buy (this cost the Yankees $823,113.87) and it was determined he will break down as a starter?

          Did you know the plan is, that if Phil has a good first half, he will be traded when his value is high, and Joba will slide into the rotation?

          Did you know that Joba is still drinking a lot?

          None of those statements are rooted in any documented fact. All of these are red herrings that do nothing but obfuscate and create false tangents. Please don’t debate like that.

          • OldYanksFan

            I made all those all up. But hell, they could be true. And if they were, would WE know about it? Does Macy’s tell Gimbal’s?

            My point is that we have pathetic little real data to make hard decisions. Opinions? SURE! That’s why we’re here. But it’s always easy to drive from the backseat.

            Cashman and many others… all they do day and night, is collect data… and analyze it.

            The Sports ‘Journalism’ we read in papers and the Net is simply the info the FO is OK with letting us know. It’s infotaiment. It’s simply there to create industry, but nothing important, that could effect trades, FAs and other decision making is NOT known to us.

            To judge Cashman based on the microscopic amount of information we have is just silly.

            • andrew

              To judge Cashman based on the microscopic amount of information we have is just silly.

              Well, I understand your sentiment. Yea, Cashman has way more information than any of us, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t critique him using the information we know. We just have to acknowledge the fact that we don’t know everything.

            • Bo

              Right on.

              • kimonizer

                Aren’t you the one always saying that we too blindly follow the FO and Cashman’s decisions?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Operation: SHUTDOWN

            • whozat

              So…you’ve never complained about igawa, Pavano, Brown, Farnsworth or any other move he’s made?

            • Trade Joba

              You gotta love the appeal to authority arguments this d00d makes.

    • Doug

      early polling is not good. average of 8.18 is significantly lower than previous weeks, which were around 8.4

    • CountryClub

      I voted 10 (up from my normal 9) to try and even out the inevitable overreaction.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        So, you’re intentionally skewing the results?

        Why? Please don’t. That helps nobody.

        • CountryClub

          Yeah, I apologize. I did it as a joke and it was only 1 point. But, you’re right, I probably shouldnt have. I think more people will intentionally skew the numbers in the other direction at a far greater clip, though.

          • A.D.

            I think more people will intentionally skew the numbers in the other direction at a far greater clip, though.

            They’re not “intentionally skewing” they have less confidence.

            • andrew

              Hah. There you go AD. Yea, I went from my “religious 9’s” to an 8. The team is great this year, and I think Joba may still slide into the rotation next year, but it just makes me wonder about the overall competence of the FO. I know they aren’t dumb, and I know they have way more information than I do, but it just seems very silly to waste such a valuable asset in the bullpen.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                …it just makes me wonder about the overall competence of the FO. I know they aren’t dumb, and I know they have way more information than I do, but it just seems very silly to waste such a valuable asset in the bullpen.

                Repeated for emphasis.

                • Chris

                  Would it be that much less worrisome if they decided to waste that asset in AAA this year?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Yes, it would. Because the likelihood of him remaining in AAA all year is low.

                  Joba the starter who is part of the Scranton opening day rotation probably pitches more innings for the big league New York Yankees than Joba the 8th inning reliever who is in the big leagues from Day One.

                • andrew

                  Exactly. Innings are innings. Innings 1-5 are worth 5 times as much as the 8th. If Joba averaged 5 innings of above average pitching per start, he would add far more value to the team than he is in the 8th. Whatever. I don’t think anyone is denying the fact that a good starter is more valuable than a good reliever. The issue at hand with the BJobbers (most of them at least) is they believe that he cannot be an effective starter, or that his value will increase in the bullpen because he will never be more than an average starter, and consequently, will be of greater help in the bullpen. This argument is fine with me, we talked about this a lot last year as well around here, but I was just in the camp that wanted to give him as much time as possible before declaring “Okay, you’re right, he won’t be more than just an average starter.” I definitely would have liked to see him go at least this full season, possibly one more season after that, before saying he can’t make it.

              • OldYanksFan

                I agree, It sure seems that way.
                (Now watch… I have nothing up my sleeve…)

            • rbizzler

              Or they are overreacting to a decision that they didn’t like.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                Sure, but an overreaction (if that’s what it is) is still more justifiable than an intentionally altered numerical vote to attempt to rig the final averaged vote tally.

                If I dropped from a 10 to a 5 because I disliked the FO’s decision, you could say that I was overreacting (and you’d be right). But that’s still how I feel; it’s genuine.

                Me dropping from a 10 to a 5, even though my ACTUAL confidence level is an 8, because I’m attempting to intentionally make the poll numbers look worse for some reason–that’s less ethical, IMO. I’m not voting with my conscience (either with a correct or an incorrect intensity), I’m pseudo-voting to intentionally mess up the voting totals.

                It’s like the morons in the BBWAA who refuse to vote for certain guys because they’re on their first ballot. Stop jimmying with the system and just vote how you actually feel.

                • Andy in Sunny Daytona

                  As long as you have douches who vote 1 the day after the Yanks win the World Series, it will be hard to take any poll results seriously.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  True, but that doesn’t mean that reasonable, intelligent non-douches like Country Club shouldn’t be asked to vote responsibly (which he very graciously and humbly agreed to do).

                • kimonizer

                  Actually you could at those outliers (which in good statistical analysis would be accounted for) as in some way validating that the poll represents a good cross section of fans:

                  1. a couple crazily and illogically overconfident
                  2. a large middle ground of thought out people voting their opinions
                  3. a few radically antagonistic or trolling individuals

                  With a big enough sample 1 and 3 cancel each other out, and you can take serious the knowledge gained from looking at the information from 2. Kind of like why we look at an entire year’s worth of play and not just ST and postseason to determine a player’s worth.

                • OldYanksFan

                  You don’t like the FO’s decision? Ya mean the one that could change tomorrow?

                  If Joba is sent to AAA, and we are 4 games behind the Sox after 2 months, because our BP couldn’t get it done….

                  people will be SCREAMING……

                  WHERE’S JOBA!!!!!!!!!
                  WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH CASHMAN!!!!
                  WHERE’S THE NEAREST BRIDGE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

                  THEO WOULD HAVE JOBA IN THE BULLPEN!!!!!!!!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  If Joba is sent to AAA, and we are 4 games behind the Sox after 2 months, because our BP couldn’t get it done….

                  people will be SCREAMING……

                  WHERE’S JOBA!!!!!!!!!
                  WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH CASHMAN!!!!
                  WHERE’S THE NEAREST BRIDGE?!?!?!?!?!?!?

                  THEO WOULD HAVE JOBA IN THE BULLPEN!!!!!!!!

                  That argument carries absolutely no water with me whatsoever. I don’t care about what the fans think, they’re a lumpen mass of idiots.

                • andrew

                  You are creating a caricature of irrational Yankee fans, that for the most part, don’t exist at RAB. Sure, there are a few, but most of the regular commenters here are open-minded, reasonable people. Most people here aren’t going to overreact, screaming, as you claim.

                • Andy in Sunny Daytona

                  You’re right, kimonizer. Despite making an A in college, statistics weren’t my strong suit. Hell, it was community college.
                  When I was taking pictures during the minor league game the other day, this guy and his kid came up to me, very excitedly, and asked who was playing in the game. When I told him it was a game between Tampa and Charleston, he said to his kid, “Oh nevermind. It’s the scrubs.”

                • Bo

                  Have you read the posts since they decided Joba belonged in the pen?

                  The comments have been irrational and delusional.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  If Joba is sent to AAA, and we are 4 games behind the Sox after 2 months, because our BP couldn’t get it done….

                  They were five games back of the Sox two and a half months into last season…

                • rbizzler

                  Tommie,

                  I agree with your explanation above, but with people’s emotions still elevated in regards to the decision there is going to be some overreaction that skews the poll results. Even if that overreaction is well-intentioned, it still skews the results. Obviously, you don’t want people voting all crazy in anticipation of how they feel others will vote, but our friend CC didn’t exactly crap all over the thing by inflating his vote one level.

                  As for the Joba situation, I am more annoyed/disheartened at the lack of a stated plan for him. Maybe the FO feels they got burned by making development plans public in the past and don’t want to go down that road again. Maybe they feel like he lacks accountability and proper motivation (mostly speculation) so a demotion might cause him to refocus. Like I said, I have no idea what their motivation but I think that it is out of character for Cash and co. to be making major decisions without any sort of foresight/logical explanation.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                  Oh, absolutely. I wasn’t saying that we shouldn’t ask people to not overreact when voting. We should. Overreactions skew the poll results.

                  All I was saying is, INTENTIONALLY skewing the poll results is less ethical, IMO, than unintentionally (i.e. emotionally) skewing the results through an overreaction. That’s all.

    • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I actually stuck with the same grade I’ve been giving (8). The whole pitching situation is annoying, but having Joba in the ‘pen certainly doesn’t hurt the outlook for the club this season. All in all, it really doesn’t affect me that much grade-wise.

      • whozat

        The outlook for this season isn’t the question. The question is about today AND tomorrow. I know you know that, so I’m confused :-/

        • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Right… So the outlook for this season is probably bumped up a bit, while the long-term outlook is bumped down a bit. Not sure why there would be confusion about that.

          • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            The reason why my grade remains unchanged is that the long-term outlook is so unclear, as far as pitching prospects go, that the long-term might not even actually be hurt that much by this move. For all we know, Brackman will become a beast this year and we won’t miss Joba in the rotation at all.

            Maybe that clarifies it a bit more for you. The outlook this year is bumped up a bit, and the long-term outlook is bumped down a bit, but that long-term outlook is so unclear that the downgrade doesn’t move my grade down right now.

            • andrew

              I see. For me, I vote as if 75% of my vote is for the upcoming season, and the last 25% is for prospects, the minors, etc. So, a large loss for the future prospects (if that’s even what this is) is only a minor loss in my overall evaluation.

  • http://twitter.com/Cnight_UP Coach6423

    Can’t even remember the last time that I wasn’t a 10. I voted a 7 this week. Our SP depth took a huge hit last week. The impatience of the organization to develop SP scares me.

  • Spaceman.Spiff

    Thames, Gaudin, Joba. Not a good combo of moves for my confidence.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      The terriosts are winning. Literally.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        Gilbert Arenas has declared victory.

  • A.D.

    Voted 9, but probably should have voted lower given the Joba move, it wouldn’t be so so bad if it didn’t look more and more like a permanent move.

  • Nady Nation

    Had no choice but to go down from a 9 to a 7. The Joba debacle has really shaken my confidence in the organization’s higher ups. I’m just praying at this point that we don’t destroy Hughes’ development and value too.

  • OldYanksFan

    “The upper deck of the Old Stadium is completely gone, and the New Stadium will feature more bike parking.
    ———————————————–
    That’s just great! We all know how many people paying $250 or more for a ticket, ride their bike to the game.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      How many under $25 tickets are there for every home game? Like, 8,000 or so?

      I think your comment is a little bit of hyperbole.

      • A.D.

        Agreed, I will go to many games this year, and it’s doubtful I spend over $100 bucks for any single game.

        • Zack

          I’m a college student and I’ll go to a few games each year if I can, and spend no more than $40 on a ticket. Instead of complaining about BS, I enjoy the fact that I’m in Yankee Stadium watching some one my childhood heros play baseball.

          • Nady Nation

            Yup. My 12 game plan in the grandstand costs a total of $240 per ticket. There are boatloads of affordable ticket options for Yanks fans.

            • A.D.

              15 game bleachers, pretty much the cost of going to a movie

              • andrew

                Bleacher seats for that price are still a steal. Fantastic view (excluding the few obstructed seats) for 3 hours of entertainment. Definitely better than going to sit in a movie.

    • Reggie C.

      Its all about lessening your carbon footprint!

  • Templeton “Brendog” Peck

    i was an 8. now i am a 7.

    the moves have baffled me and i have lost some faith that a)cashman has full control over the FO or b) that he is making the right decisions for the future.

    • whozat

      Ditto.

      I went from feeling great about the Yankees’ ability to weather any pitching injuries this season, as well as put themselves in a strong position to reload the rotation in 2011 to feeling like there’s some different factions tugging on the rudder again. I’m worried that they’ll have to give out more long, expensive contracts just to fill out the rotation, sign Jeter to a 6 year deal, and put themselves right where they were several years ago: competing well enough, but mostly waiting for the albatross deals they handed out to 30-somethings to expire.

  • Evilest Empire

    I went from a 10 to a 9. The fact that we’re the team to beat this year keeps me from going lower, though technically I always thought of my vote as an 11, so I feel like I’m going down 2 points.

  • Reggie C.

    I haven’t participated in one of these Monday fan polls so now is a pretty good time to jump back.

    I’m an 8. Down from a 9.

    I wish Chad Gaudin’s release was the week’s big story, but it ain’t. Its very likely Joba’s pen assignment is long-term. Short-term thinking points to the immediate benefits for the team. Joba should be as good as D. Robertson, and maybe better if the velocity re-appears. Joba + Marte +Ho + DRob = MONEY!! Is there such a thing as being too loaded in the ‘pen? I wonder. Melancon is a BIG loser with Joba’s return to the ‘pen. He’s got to be bummed out a bit.

    A longer-term view however brings me down from a 9. You can’t assume Joba’s going to return to the rotation next season with the quotes being thrown out there. I’ll be real interested to see which farm-hand takes a leap forward, if any.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Is there such a thing as being too loaded in the ‘pen? I wonder.

      No, there’s not such a thing as being “too loaded”, but there is such a thing as being loaded enough that you don’t need to curtail the development of a burgeoning young starter.

      Which is where we are at the moment, and why the FO’s decisionmaking process was wrong.

      • kimonizer

        TSJC I wonder if continually stating that the FO’s decision-making process is wrong is putting too an extreme judgement considering that we really only know a limited amount of information. We may be skeptical of the decision from the set of data we have, but they have a more elaborate collection of information that they are working with, and we have to take that into consideration when thinking about this whole thing.

        Since most of the FO moves have been wise as of late there must be something going on that we don’t know about. It would be uncharacteristic for the FO to all of a sudden acts stupidly and irrationally. Therefore it is really hard for us to say they are “wrong” unless you really believe that we know everything going on. I think that the frustration is that there must be more to this than they are letting on and there is a disconnect between what we know and would do and what they know and are doing.

        In the end it comes down to a question of how much we should be allowed to know as a fan base. We put a certain amount of faith in the organization and I think right now that faith is being rattled a bit which is the most frustrating part, and which exacerbates the situation into a question of right/wrong rather than one of “I wonder why they’re thinking that way?”

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Perhaps, but absent any sort of explanation, we have to go by what we know, and what we know are that there are members of the FO who know publicly state their belief that Joba should stay in the bullpen permanently.

          • kimonizer

            Point taken. I think I am just frustrated that we don’t and possibly can’t know the whole story. Seems like a pivotal point in how the team develops in the near and long term and as avid fans we just want to be well informed. It would just be so great to have two cheap homegrown studs in the rotation for a long period. Outside of Atlanta that doesn’t happen all that much and IIRC hasn’t happened in NY in my lifetime.

  • arosen15

    Whether or not Joba belongs in the pen, ( an argument I don’t care to make either way) you cant feel great about how this decison was made. If nothing else you have robbed some of that cockiness that worked for Joba. Some of that intimidation is gone. The last 2 years of nonsense for what? We all agree a top end starter is more valuable. They messed around with this kid so much. I think he will be a top line starter, but sadly for another team. Last years circus to end this way makes no sense.
    You want to say he is the heir apparent to MO, I am fine with all that. But why the stupid rules.

    I wonder if the Yankees win a pennant in the late 80s with Righetti starting as opposed to relieving? That would have been the equivalent of the Sox now putting Lester in to close if Papelbon got hurt.

    So based on that I am an 8.

  • YankeeScribe

    Still at 8 because I’m not confident that Nick Johnson and Curtis Granderson will be able to replace Matsui and Damon’s offensive output.

    As far as the Joba drama goes, I’m giving the FO the benefit of the doubt on this one especially when one considers how much the move back to the pen is going to lower Joba’s trade value. For whatever reason, they seem to have collectively decided that Joba is better off in the pen for now atleast.

  • Rey22

    My vote = down after the elimination of our SP depth (Seriously, Mitre as 6th starter? Sheesh) with the release of Gaudin and the decision to put Joba in the bullpen, when both are clearly better than Mitre and represented extremely solid 6th and 7th starters in case anything happened.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      (Seriously, Mitre as 6th starter? Sheesh)

      FWIW, I think he’s actually the 7th starter. I’ll go out on a limb and say this is the SP depth at the moment, in the eyes of the Yankee braintrust:

      6-Aceves (stretched out from the pen)
      7-Mitre (stretched out from the pen)
      8-Nova
      9-Hirsh
      10-McAllister

      JMHO.

      • pete

        idk if the yankees want to stretch out Aceves for an extended stint in the rotation. Maybe a 4-5 inning spot start here and there, but I think they view him as a vital piece of the ‘pen, much like Joba.

      • Chris

        It sounded from some of the quotes (see: http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....-sunday-5/ ) that Mitre was being kept stretched out so that he could more easily step into the rotation.

  • pete

    8. For now and future. Rotation depth took a huge hit as we lost what probably figured to be our #6 (or #5) and #7 starters. Joba not starting at all this year (if this is in fact the case) could hurt his performance as a starter next year, and him not starting this year suggests a moderately high probability of him not starting next year or beyond. This will hurt the yankees leverage in future FA negotiations with pitchers. If Gardner doesn’t prove himself an everyday player, and the yankees had to spend $18 million AAV on Cliff Lee, where’s the budget room for Crawford? Even if they get somebody else who’s “cheaper” at, say $10 million per year (which is market value for somewhat-above-average AL East starter right now), that’s still about 10x as much as they’d need for Joba.

    Keeping Joba as a starter could have maintained the Rotation as an area of extreme strength for the yankees without it being an area of exorbitant financial commitment (Hughes & Joba would pretty much even out the salaries of CC and AJ if they could be average or better). Looking forward, it could still be an area of strength, but the yankees will HAVE to dish out the cash for this to be so next year, unless Joba slides back.

    Sure the yankees know more about their situation than we do, but they picked what appeared to be (by far) the least sensible choice going forward by putting Joba in the ‘pen. Not to say that they necessarily “owe us” an explanation, but without one are we really supposed to just assume that it was the right call?

    • pete

      iow, we have no evidence that it wasn’t a bad move. Based on what we know, our collective faith in the front office SHOULD take a hit on this week’s moves, both Gaudin and Joba.

  • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

    I’ve always voted 7 (save for during the ALCS and WS), and I’m still there. I really hope Cash & Co. know what they’re doing.

    • pete

      agreed. I HOPE they are making the right move. But when that’s all you can do, it’s hard to go above a 7 or an 8.

      My confidence in the Yankees right now is very similar to my confidence in UZR – I have faith in the people making the calls based on a history of smart moves, but it’s impossible for me to have full confidence in something that is based on information to which i have no access and therefore cannot cross-check. My blind faith in the Yankees FO is still high, but right now it is completely blind, and therefore maxes out at 8

      • kimonizer

        this

  • Jose

    My confidence remains at a 10. With only 6 more sleeps remaining, I can’t wait for baseball.

    • andrew

      Keeping things in perspective. Damn, I am excited for opening day. I won’t be happy to see Joba come out of the ‘pen to hold our first lead, but it’ll be great to have the Yankees back.

      • rbizzler

        I am even more excited for opening day as I will be in Cali watching the game with a bunch of Sox fans (good friends) who are going to have eat a lot of crow over all of the A-rod crap they tossed my way over the past few years.

  • OldYanksFan

    Really…. everyone’s confidence has taken a HUGE hit because Chad Gaudin is no longer on the team? Really? And you are all sure Joba won’t start any games or won’t be needed in the BP?

    Chad Gaudin?

  • Mike HC

    Confidence 10. This team is so loaded you can’t sweat the small stuff.

  • Bo

    Watching the “Cashman can do no wrong” crew blow their stacks the past few days and descend into delusional insanity over a young pitcher going into the role hes much better in has been enjoyable. They dont know who to vent at since they think the FO is infallible.
    Now they cant even blame the “tampa faction”

  • BklynJT

    http://www.theyankeeu.com/2010.....sion-16276

    Get off the ledge, and back on the bandwagon. At least there’s still hope.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      That helps, but not fully. Half of this is the new uncertainty about Joba’s long term future. The other half is the present.

      I don’t agree that Joba best helps the 2010 team in the bullpen. There are others that can do his 8th inning job with aplomb; there aren’t 6th starters remotely as good as him. Joba the 2010 6th starter (even spending part of his year in Scranton) is likely to help the 2010 Yankees more than Joba the 8th inning specialist.

      • OldYanksFan

        Well…. I guess you and Eppler will have to agree to disagree.

  • http://enternight.mlblogs.com Ana

    I’m a 9. I’ve been a 9 for as long as I’ve voted except for that one week we won the World Series and I was a 10.

  • steve s

    Amazingly not one mention of the Arod delay in meeting with the Feds. That situation is beginning to look like trouble and even if it turns out ok has been handled poorly by Alex and/or his handlers.

    • Rick in Boston

      How is it A-Rod’s fault that the feds keep re-scheduling? It’s not like he’s going “Hey media, my appointment with the feds is Tuesday.”

      • steve s

        You haven’t been paying attention. Arod is the one who is stalling and refused to meet with the Feds in Tampa. The meeting was scheduled to be held in Buffalo and then cancelled again by Arod’s side. Those are not great developments in this saga.

        • Rick in Boston

          Source? The only thing I can find is that they mutually agreed to postpone the meeting.

          • steve s

            Just google “Arod and Galea”. One of the first stories is from the NY Daily News of 3/26 that describes Arod’s attorneys, Jay Reisinger and James Sharp, as being the ones requesting the delay in the Buffalo meeting to “avoid a media circus”. My point is if this turns out to be nothing then the handling of it was dumb as all the delays served to do was create unnecessary suspicion.

            • OldYanksFan

              If it turns out to be nothing (praying to Mo), then who gives a shit. And if it ain’t nothing, then the media circus with be nothing compared to the reality/real fallout of ARod doing HGH LAST YEAR.

              I say “ARod doing HGH” IF it is ‘bad news’… because what else could it be. I don’t ARod needs to get into smuggling.

  • yankthemike

    went from 9 to an 8 not because Hughes is the 5th starter- he certainly deserves it. i’m concerned about the seemingly haphazard manner Joba has been handled not only in the past, but with his future.

  • mryankee

    I am chiming in with an 8 as well. I do question the FO myself. They did not sign Cole which I wish they had. I do wonder about their starting pitching development myself. If Joba is still hurt from 2008 would he still be pitching? There has to be an answer for his lack of dominate stuff.

    • BklynJT

      Cole was unfortunate, but you cant blame the front office for not signing him. Maybe for picking him, but if the kid suddenly changed his mind about signing here, there is nothing we can the FO could do about that.

  • Big Juan

    9.

    While I was a bit thrown off by the Joba decision I’m really excited to see Hughes in the rotation. I sincerely hope his future holds another chance to be a starter, but at the end of the day, there are worse things than having an arm like that in the bullpen.

    Basically, I don’t want to get to caught up one way or another. I’m not losing faith in Cashman now just like I was trying not to have an altruistic faith in him before.

  • YankeeJosh

    I voted a 7 this week, and it’s mainly about the lack of overall planning for the future. Yes, I want Joba starting, either here or at AAA. In one week, the Yankees put their #6 starter in the bullpen and released Gaudin, their next best option. The team also traded awy Kennedy, who would have been next on the 5th starter depth chart to me. That leaves Aceves, but he’s in the oen too, Mitre and Hirsch as depth should an injury occur. Tht leaves me very worried.

    I’ve generally been at an 8 or 9 most weeks. I always believe there is room to improve, especially with the Minor League’s depth. I wasn’t a fan of the Granderson trade, and that brought me from 9 to 8, where I’ve been. This mess this week takes me down a level to 7.

    Of course, once the season starts, I’ll be able to judge better.