Mar
03

Heyman: Jeter could ask for six

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Even though Derek Jeter doesn’t plan to address his contract status until the end of the 2010 baseball season, it’s become quite the hot topic around the game. He’s becoming a free agent at age 36 and mans a position that few his age have played with much success. At the same time, he’s the face of a franchise and has been since 1996.

Over the last few weeks, as we’ve discussed Jeter, the general consensus has been that he’ll sign a deal for four years for somewhere between $20-$25 million a year. The Yankees probably won’t get that value from him on the field, but the good will and Jeter’s popularity should help mitigate the expense. What if Derek wants more though?

That’s the question Jon Heyman ponders today, and his sources indicate that Jeter may ask for as much as six years. His argument relies on putting down A-Rod.

The Yankees generally have treated their own big stars very well. But six years for a shortstop who’s 35 now is seen as a stretch, even by the execs who say they expect that to be the asking price. “Casey Close is a good agent. You don’t get if you don’t ask,” one executive said. Close declined comment.

Six years may seem extreme. But there is logic to it. Jeter saw his famous frenemy Alex Rodriguez get a 10-year, $275-million deal from the Yankees two winters ago that will take him to age 42. Jeter will be 36 by the end of the year, so six more years would take him to 42, same as A-Rod.

After seeing A-Rod get a contract taking him until he’s 42, why wouldn’t Jeter want the same? A case could be made that Rodriguez is a more natural fit as the DH, so playing into his 40s might be easier. But both are hard workers, extremely fit and without injury history. And Jeter’s the one who’s a Yankees legend.

Interestingly, Heyman also notes that the Yanks and Jeter nearly had a $118.5 million contract in place in early 2000, one year before he signed his big $189 million deal, but George Steinbrenner “nixed” that one. No word on how many years that would have covered.

That last historical tidbit is neither here nor there, but Heyman’s speculation on a six-year ask is worth considering. After all, the worst the Yanks can do is reject the proposal. I wouldn’t feel too comfortable giving Jeter six years, and it shouldn’t take that much to keep him around.

Above: Derek Jeter attempts to balance the World Series trophy on top of an unsuspecting Yogi Berra. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

130 Comments»

  1. Jeter: Can I have six?
    Cashman: Sure, no problem.

    Wait, were you asking about six years? No, you can’t have six years. I thought we were talking about something else.

  2. ADam says:

    The yanks wont screw Jeter over… But the Yanks wont nickel and dime him… he gets different treatment then Damon for sure… But they yanks aren’t going to blindly give him 6 Years at 22 Mill Per… My guess is 4 years and in the 65-75M range…

    • The yanks wont screw Jeter over… But the Yanks wont nickel and dime him… he gets different treatment then Damon for sure… But they yanks aren’t going to blindly give him 6 Years at 22 Mill Per… My guess is 4 years and in the 65-75M range…

      The Yanks won’t screw Jeter over; they won’t nickel and dime him either. He gets different treatment then Damon for sure, but the team isn’t going to blindly give him 6 Years at 22 Mil per.

      My guess is 4 years and in the 65-75M range.

      ————————

      Fixed that for you.

      /goodpunctuationisgoodcourtesy’d

  3. Ed says:

    Interestingly, Heyman also notes that the Yanks and Jeter nearly had a $118.5 million contract in place in early 2000, one year before he signed his big $189 million deal, but George Steinbrenner “nixed” that one. No word on how many years that would have covered.

    From Cot’s Contracts: “tentative deal for 7 years/$118.5M (2000-06)”

    The story I’ve always heard was Steinbrenner was fine with the deal, which would have been the largest in baseball. Juan Gonzalez was rumored to be working towards a 8/$140m deal with the Tigers. The idea was to wait for that deal to be finalized, then sign Jeter’s deal. That way the Yankees wouldn’t have to take the heat for giving out the biggest contract in baseball. Then Juan Gonzalez didn’t sign, and the Yankees decided to wait longer.

  4. Reggie C. says:

    I wonder what’s the chances DJ is willing to go the Wakefield route and sign a 1-year contract from here on out. DJ’s never been vocal about personal accomplishments, but lets say he wins a 6th championship this year, and is a shoe-in to pass the 3000 hit mark in 2011, what’s not to say DJ doesn’t feel the tug of starting another phase of his life.

  5. Hughesus Christo says:

    Basically, if Big George got directly involved, it was a bad idea. Sadly true. Cashmoney got this.

    • Bo says:

      Because Steinbrenner was so terrible at picking players or something.

      He made a terrible choice apparently giving Jeter that long term contract.

      Let’s not bow down at the altar of Cashman. Steinbrenner could easily have signed Tex, AJ, CC himself too. That didnt take a genius.

      And Cashmans great minor league system has what. 1 player legit player in it?

      • Tom Zig says:

        He probably could have signed AJ no problem. CC took a little more finesse and Tex required secrecy, so that remains to be seen if he would have actually gotten those done.

        Cashman’s minor league system is on the up and up. Wait till next year Mr. Bice, you shall see.

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

          again, as a hippie-hatin, trailer-trash-shootin, nascar-lovin, aint-got-no-lottery-cause-its-fer-sinners redneck, i resent the implication that Bo and Bice are the same person and therefore are FROM alabama.

          oh, and tommie, as far as punctuation goes…

          /f&#<youiwontdowhatyoutellme

          :)

      • Because Steinbrenner was so terrible at picking players or something.

        That’s not what Hughesus Christo is saying.

        He made a terrible choice apparently giving Jeter that long term contract.

        Not the point. Jeter was getting a contract either way. It might have been a shorter, less expensive contract. That would have been better. George didn’t make a terrible choice in giving Jeter a 10/189, but a 7/118.5 would have been a better deal for the Yankees. George’s actions weakened the Yankees financial position.

        Let’s not bow down at the altar of Cashman. Steinbrenner could easily have signed Tex, AJ, CC himself too. That didnt take a genius.

        A) Again, this is a red herring and/or a fallacy of the four terms. You’re talking about things nobody else is talking about and thus refuting arguments that nobody is making.
        B) No, it DID actually take a stroke of negotiational genius to sign Tex, CC, and AJ; I don’t think Steinbrenner could have/would have signed all three of them himself. There were numerous overlapping entities (Red Sox, Angels, Braves, Giants, Dodgers, Orioles, Nationals) that all had significant interest in one or two of those three players. Cashman negotiated with the three of them and extended offers to the three of them in an order that kept the markets for all three of them alive simultaneously but kept the Yankees in the lead for all three players. That wasn’t easy.

        And Cashmans great minor league system has what. 1 player legit player in it?

        There’s no way of knowing that yet, because the scouts haven’t had several full winters of scouting’s worth of information to get better, more well rounded opinions and evaluations of the players. We may find out that a lot of these 3 and 4 star players are all actually five star players and we were unaware of it.

        (Couldn’t resist on that last one.)

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

          And Cashmans great minor league system has what. 1 player legit player in it?
          There’s no way of knowing that yet, because the scouts haven’t had several full winters of scouting’s worth of information to get better, more well rounded opinions and evaluations of the players. We may find out that a lot of these 3 and 4 star players are all actually five star players and we were unaware of it it hasn’t happened yet.

          Sincerely,
          Theoretical Boe Morgan

        • Snakes on the mother effin plane says:

          “B) No, it DID actually take a stroke of negotiational genius to sign Tex, CC, and AJ; I don’t think Steinbrenner could have/would have signed all three of them himself. There were numerous overlapping entities (Red Sox, Angels, Braves, Giants, Dodgers, Orioles, Nationals) that all had significant interest in one or two of those three players. Cashman negotiated with the three of them and extended offers to the three of them in an order that kept the markets for all three of them alive simultaneously but kept the Yankees in the lead for all three players. That wasn’t easy.”

          Mmmmm yeah not so much. Paying the most is always the easiest and it’s something we do quite well thankyouverymuch.

  6. Drew says:

    More Heyman bullshit.

    We know he didn’t get info from Close and we damn sure know he didn’t get it from Jeter.

    I can make headlines too;

    Could Jeter seek 200 million dollars?
    Speculation around the game is that Derek Jeter will get a nice contract extension from the Yankees at season’s end for three or four years for between $20 million and $25 million per. However, two executives from competing teams now of my buddies say they believe Jeter could ask for a six-year deal 200 million dollars.

    • So because he didn’t get it from one party to the negotations, it’s bullshit? That’s a rather extreme approach.

      Let me reframe this charge for you: Why wouldn’t Jeter ask for four years as a ceiling? If he would settle for four, it would make sense to ask for six initially.

      • Drew says:

        I’m not saying he’s making this up. My point is that just because two execs say “Jeter could ask for a six year deal,” does not make it a story. Basically, to me it’s a non story. I understand he has to fill pages in the slow season but this just came across to me as silly. When I first read it, it reminded me of the ESPN headline that said “Jeter say’s he wants to remain a Yankee.”

        • He also says though why it’s a story:

          Jeter’s negotiations are interesting and perhaps even unique because he is a player who has no interest in leaving but at the same time the Yankees have just as little interest in seeing him leave.

          It’s also a story because of the fact that he’ll be 36 when he signs this deal.

          I see your point but I think you’re discounting this too heavily.

          • radnom says:

            I’m with Drew here. He isn’t saying that Jeter’s contract isn’t a story, but rather what two random execs are speculating isn’t a story.

            And really the only reason the contract is a story this spring is because there is nothing else to talk about.

            In the end, this article has no more insight to what Jeter will actually ask for than the hundreds of other articles have been and will be printed this spring.

            And to answer why Jeter might not ask for 6 years, he might not want to play that long. Not everyone wants to play into their 40′s, and I’m sure Jeter will still have a lot going on after retirement.

    • Bo says:

      You really dont think he has sources close to Casey Close or maybe even Close himself???? You may dislike Heyman but hes a national writer for one of the biggest websites out there and the bible of weeklies. The guy has great sources and is a very good reporter. Hes all over the Yankee beat too from his time at Newsday.

  7. arosen15 says:

    you know derek in 2011 one million dollars isn’t that much money.
    ok, ill ask for muah ha ha one hundred billion dollars

  8. Jack says:

    Jon Heyman? Ugh.
    The word “frenemy”? Ugh.
    Jon Heyman using the word “frenemy”? Someone please just shoot me now.

  9. Chip says:

    I have an interesting question, say the Yankees do sign that Cuba SS or have another one of their shortstops in the middle minors really break out. Does that impact the negotiations at all? (By really break out, I mean like literally hit the cover off the ball and be in AA by the end of the season)

  10. I like to come up with my own misguided speculation for shits and giggles.

    JMK: Jeter could ask for David Patterson’s position as Governor of New York.

    JMK: Jeter could rebuff a contract so as to dedicate his life to developing cold fusion.

    JMK: Jeter could ask for lifetime of Nutella and Swiss sandwiches.

  11. Andy_C_23 says:

    How long do you guys think Jeet stays at short? Do you think he’ll be receptive to switching positions? What if they do get that Cuban SS or Pena starts playing well? What does that mean for Captain?

  12. baseballnation says:

    Maybe I am on the otherside of the fence with this but I think the Yankees have no choice but to ante up for 6 with Jeter and i think the article nailed two big reasons why:

    A) It’ll allow him to go until 42 which is what the Yankees went with Arod. And (B) His natural legacy with the franchise and in the game of baseball. Granted he is probably not worth six for 25 million per…But if the yankees tag say 20 per to the deal I think it may be plausible and still pay off for the Yankees.

    Unlike Arod, Jeter’s game does not revolve around power. So if a 40 year old arod loses the gaudy hr numbers due to decrease in power with age his deal becomes an albatross. Jeter’s game on the other hand is more tuned for hitting the ball the other way (which he does better then anyone else in baseball, and slapping in some doubles. And his popularity and marketing appeal also bring in alot of revenue for the Yankees which also has to be equated.

    • Don’t power skills tend to age better than contact skills? Also, A-Rod hits for a pretty high BA for a slugger, but I’d say Jeter’s very good contact skills and slightly above average power are likely to age worse than Rodriguez’s good contact skills and supreme power skills.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Unlike Arod, Jeter’s game does not revolve around power.

      Right and wrong. Jeter doesn’t have power. But A-Rod doens’t only have power. A-Rod can hit for average, hit for power, and get on base at a good clip. Jeter can hit for average, can’t hit for power and also can get on base at a good clip.

    • Drew says:

      A-Rod’s deal is in no way a gauge for what Jeter should get. If Jeter’s agent goes in there saying, “Hey! A-Rod’s deal runs through age 42!” The Yankees reply by saying, “Derek Jeter is not Alex Rodriguez.”
      Now, this will never happen because neither party would insult the other by comparing Jeter to one of the best players alive.

      • Drew says:

        Also, to act like Jeter will be immune to a dropoff (vs. Al) because he hits the other way is crazy. If he loses his bat speed, those oppo hits don’t drop in.

      • Jake says:

        Jeter isn’t Arod.

        That’s correct. Jeter is the best player in the game since Pete Rose. Arod had one great October. Hardly comparable to 13-15.

        I can’t believe a Yankee fan would say something so ignorant.

      • Jake says:

        Arod’s deal was signed before anyone knew that his breaking The home run record would be completely meangingless.

        Think he gets that deal now?

  13. Ace says:

    Counterpoint…

    Derek Jeter should not get “extra years” or “extra money” because he is Derek Jeter; that is flat-out bad business and a bad move for the Yankees. Wayne Gretzky, arguably (and in my personal opinon) the greatest and most dominant athlete in any sport, was not given special treatment simply because he was Wayne Gretzky – and he was in his prime at the time of his deal with the franchise that he was “the face of.” Why? Because overpaying one player based on sentimentality is not in the best interests of the team. Jeter should receive a contract that is market-value of a 36 year old shortstop performing at the level he performs at this year or expect to go elsewhere.

    • Jake says:

      The Yankees will move to New Jersey before Jeter goes elsewhere.
      He’s retiring as a Yankee, and he’s getting what he wants.

      Bank on that.

    • Jake says:

      Under that logic we should have Rivera go.

    • Hughesus Christo says:

      I don’t get the Gretzky point. He left teams for (1) More money, (2) legacy, (3) chances to win. He was getting paid at the top of the league at 36, 37, 38 as a role player because he was Wayne Gretzky.

  14. (hedges bets)

    Gimmie $80 on 4yrs/100M and $20 on 5yr/120M.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

      if you’ll do that, would you consider 6/135?

      when will he break the hit record…he needs 4257 and has 2747 now… lets say he hits 200 this year dropping 6 a year after that…man thats still only 3839…he’d have to go at least two more years…can jeter hang around for 8/9 years at that pace or keep it from falling that far that fast…

      /thatwasjustforyoutommie

  15. Jake says:

    I don’t see Jeter taking a pay cut.

  16. Riddering says:

    Before this year is over Jeter will get six.

    Six rings, baby.

  17. Warren says:

    Scott Boras is just pissed he isn’t getting a cut of Jeter’s contract so he has his lapdogs Heyman and Rosenthal start making things up.

  18. TLVP says:

    This is getting out of hand. I’m a huge Jeter fan, but to suggest that he should get 6 years is just bad business. Frankly anything more than 4 years is absurd. He’ll be a 40 year old SS who doesn’t hit for power. Iconic or not – such a player doesn’t get a 6 year contract, and nor does he get $25m/y. At best he keeps his current salary.

    If he want’s six years give him 90/6 and tell him the alternative is 80/4.

    The Yankees would not look cheap if they offered him that, and he would look greedy and stupid if he rejected it.

  19. Doug says:

    Here’s what you do: he wants 6 years? he gets $15M per; 5 years? $17M per; and so.

    So he can pick from:
    6/90
    5/85
    4/76
    3/63
    2/46
    1/25

  20. cr1 says:

    Just to be boring and refer to the actual post, where was the put-down of Rodriguez in the Heyman squib?

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