Mar
03

Heyman: Jeter could ask for six

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Even though Derek Jeter doesn’t plan to address his contract status until the end of the 2010 baseball season, it’s become quite the hot topic around the game. He’s becoming a free agent at age 36 and mans a position that few his age have played with much success. At the same time, he’s the face of a franchise and has been since 1996.

Over the last few weeks, as we’ve discussed Jeter, the general consensus has been that he’ll sign a deal for four years for somewhere between $20-$25 million a year. The Yankees probably won’t get that value from him on the field, but the good will and Jeter’s popularity should help mitigate the expense. What if Derek wants more though?

That’s the question Jon Heyman ponders today, and his sources indicate that Jeter may ask for as much as six years. His argument relies on putting down A-Rod.

The Yankees generally have treated their own big stars very well. But six years for a shortstop who’s 35 now is seen as a stretch, even by the execs who say they expect that to be the asking price. “Casey Close is a good agent. You don’t get if you don’t ask,” one executive said. Close declined comment.

Six years may seem extreme. But there is logic to it. Jeter saw his famous frenemy Alex Rodriguez get a 10-year, $275-million deal from the Yankees two winters ago that will take him to age 42. Jeter will be 36 by the end of the year, so six more years would take him to 42, same as A-Rod.

After seeing A-Rod get a contract taking him until he’s 42, why wouldn’t Jeter want the same? A case could be made that Rodriguez is a more natural fit as the DH, so playing into his 40s might be easier. But both are hard workers, extremely fit and without injury history. And Jeter’s the one who’s a Yankees legend.

Interestingly, Heyman also notes that the Yanks and Jeter nearly had a $118.5 million contract in place in early 2000, one year before he signed his big $189 million deal, but George Steinbrenner “nixed” that one. No word on how many years that would have covered.

That last historical tidbit is neither here nor there, but Heyman’s speculation on a six-year ask is worth considering. After all, the worst the Yanks can do is reject the proposal. I wouldn’t feel too comfortable giving Jeter six years, and it shouldn’t take that much to keep him around.

Above: Derek Jeter attempts to balance the World Series trophy on top of an unsuspecting Yogi Berra. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    Jeter: Can I have six?
    Cashman: Sure, no problem.

    Wait, were you asking about six years? No, you can’t have six years. I thought we were talking about something else.

    • ADam

      Heyman’s Executives are the grounds crew at Citi Field…

    • bexarama

      Heh.

      I saw that from the game, but what an adorable picture! :D

  • ADam

    The yanks wont screw Jeter over… But the Yanks wont nickel and dime him… he gets different treatment then Damon for sure… But they yanks aren’t going to blindly give him 6 Years at 22 Mill Per… My guess is 4 years and in the 65-75M range…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      The yanks wont screw Jeter over… But the Yanks wont nickel and dime him… he gets different treatment then Damon for sure… But they yanks aren’t going to blindly give him 6 Years at 22 Mill Per… My guess is 4 years and in the 65-75M range…

      The Yanks won’t screw Jeter over; they won’t nickel and dime him either. He gets different treatment then Damon for sure, but the team isn’t going to blindly give him 6 Years at 22 Mil per.

      My guess is 4 years and in the 65-75M range.

      ————————

      Fixed that for you.

      /goodpunctuationisgoodcourtesy’d

      • Not The Rays

        Plus one.

  • Ed

    Interestingly, Heyman also notes that the Yanks and Jeter nearly had a $118.5 million contract in place in early 2000, one year before he signed his big $189 million deal, but George Steinbrenner “nixed” that one. No word on how many years that would have covered.

    From Cot’s Contracts: “tentative deal for 7 years/$118.5M (2000-06)”

    The story I’ve always heard was Steinbrenner was fine with the deal, which would have been the largest in baseball. Juan Gonzalez was rumored to be working towards a 8/$140m deal with the Tigers. The idea was to wait for that deal to be finalized, then sign Jeter’s deal. That way the Yankees wouldn’t have to take the heat for giving out the biggest contract in baseball. Then Juan Gonzalez didn’t sign, and the Yankees decided to wait longer.

    • AndrewYF

      Why the hell would Steinbrenner care about handing out the biggest deal in baseball? They made Mattingly the then-annually highest-paid player back in the early 90s.

      Yet another reason why the Yankees are better now George is out of the picture.

      • Bo

        because George was so bad for business the past 40 yrs

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Bo: 1
          Strawman: 0

      • Ed

        Remember, this happened the Yankees payroll was still somewhat in line with the rest of the league. At the high end of course, but other teams were close. This was also pre-luxury tax, so they didn’t want to do anything that would provoke the league to try to reign in their spending.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          This was also pre-luxury tax, so they didn’t want to do anything that would provoke the league to try to reign in their spending.

          An excellent point, repeated for emphasis.

  • Reggie C.

    I wonder what’s the chances DJ is willing to go the Wakefield route and sign a 1-year contract from here on out. DJ’s never been vocal about personal accomplishments, but lets say he wins a 6th championship this year, and is a shoe-in to pass the 3000 hit mark in 2011, what’s not to say DJ doesn’t feel the tug of starting another phase of his life.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      I wonder what’s the chances DJ is willing to go the Wakefield route and sign a 1-year contract from here on out.

      Close to zero.

      • Tom Zig

        it’s actually a negative %.

        Stop with the Wakefield comparisons. Jeter is not a 65 year knuckleballer. (IMO, not based on any fact, or any quotes or really anything at all) The Sox are only keep Wake around so he can take the franchise wins lead away from Roger Clemens.

        • Christos

          thats probably it

        • radnom


          The Sox are only keep Wake around so he can take the franchise wins lead away from Roger Clemens.

          Or you know, the cheap, quality insurance innings he provides.

          • JGS

            this

            considering his age and the fact that he won’t get regular starts again unless someone gets hurt, the odds of him picking up 17 wins in the next two years is pretty low

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Close to zero.

        http://moviechopshop.com/wp-co.....-cover.jpg (safe)

        Fixed.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          What’s the reciprocal of zero? It’s -5, isn’t it?

          /public school’d

    • Bo

      Good thing for him hes not a knuckleball pitcher and doesnt have to do that.

      • Tom Zig

        I agree with Bo.

        • bexarama

          (world ends)

          • Big Juan

            I laughed.

    • Accent Shallow

      As everyone else said, this isn’t happening. Maybe at the end of whatever deal he signs after this year.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Basically, if Big George got directly involved, it was a bad idea. Sadly true. Cashmoney got this.

    • Bo

      Because Steinbrenner was so terrible at picking players or something.

      He made a terrible choice apparently giving Jeter that long term contract.

      Let’s not bow down at the altar of Cashman. Steinbrenner could easily have signed Tex, AJ, CC himself too. That didnt take a genius.

      And Cashmans great minor league system has what. 1 player legit player in it?

      • Tom Zig

        He probably could have signed AJ no problem. CC took a little more finesse and Tex required secrecy, so that remains to be seen if he would have actually gotten those done.

        Cashman’s minor league system is on the up and up. Wait till next year Mr. Bice, you shall see.

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          again, as a hippie-hatin, trailer-trash-shootin, nascar-lovin, aint-got-no-lottery-cause-its-fer-sinners redneck, i resent the implication that Bo and Bice are the same person and therefore are FROM alabama.

          oh, and tommie, as far as punctuation goes…

          /f&#<youiwontdowhatyoutellme

          :)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        Because Steinbrenner was so terrible at picking players or something.

        That’s not what Hughesus Christo is saying.

        He made a terrible choice apparently giving Jeter that long term contract.

        Not the point. Jeter was getting a contract either way. It might have been a shorter, less expensive contract. That would have been better. George didn’t make a terrible choice in giving Jeter a 10/189, but a 7/118.5 would have been a better deal for the Yankees. George’s actions weakened the Yankees financial position.

        Let’s not bow down at the altar of Cashman. Steinbrenner could easily have signed Tex, AJ, CC himself too. That didnt take a genius.

        A) Again, this is a red herring and/or a fallacy of the four terms. You’re talking about things nobody else is talking about and thus refuting arguments that nobody is making.
        B) No, it DID actually take a stroke of negotiational genius to sign Tex, CC, and AJ; I don’t think Steinbrenner could have/would have signed all three of them himself. There were numerous overlapping entities (Red Sox, Angels, Braves, Giants, Dodgers, Orioles, Nationals) that all had significant interest in one or two of those three players. Cashman negotiated with the three of them and extended offers to the three of them in an order that kept the markets for all three of them alive simultaneously but kept the Yankees in the lead for all three players. That wasn’t easy.

        And Cashmans great minor league system has what. 1 player legit player in it?

        There’s no way of knowing that yet, because the scouts haven’t had several full winters of scouting’s worth of information to get better, more well rounded opinions and evaluations of the players. We may find out that a lot of these 3 and 4 star players are all actually five star players and we were unaware of it.

        (Couldn’t resist on that last one.)

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          And Cashmans great minor league system has what. 1 player legit player in it?
          There’s no way of knowing that yet, because the scouts haven’t had several full winters of scouting’s worth of information to get better, more well rounded opinions and evaluations of the players. We may find out that a lot of these 3 and 4 star players are all actually five star players and we were unaware of it it hasn’t happened yet.

          Sincerely,
          Theoretical Boe Morgan

        • Snakes on the mother effin plane

          “B) No, it DID actually take a stroke of negotiational genius to sign Tex, CC, and AJ; I don’t think Steinbrenner could have/would have signed all three of them himself. There were numerous overlapping entities (Red Sox, Angels, Braves, Giants, Dodgers, Orioles, Nationals) that all had significant interest in one or two of those three players. Cashman negotiated with the three of them and extended offers to the three of them in an order that kept the markets for all three of them alive simultaneously but kept the Yankees in the lead for all three players. That wasn’t easy.”

          Mmmmm yeah not so much. Paying the most is always the easiest and it’s something we do quite well thankyouverymuch.

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    More Heyman bullshit.

    We know he didn’t get info from Close and we damn sure know he didn’t get it from Jeter.

    I can make headlines too;

    Could Jeter seek 200 million dollars?
    Speculation around the game is that Derek Jeter will get a nice contract extension from the Yankees at season’s end for three or four years for between $20 million and $25 million per. However, two executives from competing teams now of my buddies say they believe Jeter could ask for a six-year deal 200 million dollars.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      So because he didn’t get it from one party to the negotations, it’s bullshit? That’s a rather extreme approach.

      Let me reframe this charge for you: Why wouldn’t Jeter ask for four years as a ceiling? If he would settle for four, it would make sense to ask for six initially.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        I’m not saying he’s making this up. My point is that just because two execs say “Jeter could ask for a six year deal,” does not make it a story. Basically, to me it’s a non story. I understand he has to fill pages in the slow season but this just came across to me as silly. When I first read it, it reminded me of the ESPN headline that said “Jeter say’s he wants to remain a Yankee.”

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          He also says though why it’s a story:

          Jeter’s negotiations are interesting and perhaps even unique because he is a player who has no interest in leaving but at the same time the Yankees have just as little interest in seeing him leave.

          It’s also a story because of the fact that he’ll be 36 when he signs this deal.

          I see your point but I think you’re discounting this too heavily.

          • radnom

            I’m with Drew here. He isn’t saying that Jeter’s contract isn’t a story, but rather what two random execs are speculating isn’t a story.

            And really the only reason the contract is a story this spring is because there is nothing else to talk about.

            In the end, this article has no more insight to what Jeter will actually ask for than the hundreds of other articles have been and will be printed this spring.

            And to answer why Jeter might not ask for 6 years, he might not want to play that long. Not everyone wants to play into their 40′s, and I’m sure Jeter will still have a lot going on after retirement.

    • Bo

      You really dont think he has sources close to Casey Close or maybe even Close himself???? You may dislike Heyman but hes a national writer for one of the biggest websites out there and the bible of weeklies. The guy has great sources and is a very good reporter. Hes all over the Yankee beat too from his time at Newsday.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Considering his client, Derek Jeter. I’d bet that Close holds his card close to the vest. Not all agents puppeteer writers like Boras.

        As I replied to Ben, two execs telling him that Jeter could ask for six is a non story to me.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        His source is Glenn Close but I think he just rounded up. Whatevs.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          You answered only one of his questions, but judging by the punctuation, Bo clearly asked FOUR questions.

          Keep going.

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

            !!!!

            FTFSBGL.

  • arosen15

    you know derek in 2011 one million dollars isn’t that much money.
    ok, ill ask for muah ha ha one hundred billion dollars

  • Jack

    Jon Heyman? Ugh.
    The word “frenemy”? Ugh.
    Jon Heyman using the word “frenemy”? Someone please just shoot me now.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      Fun side note: The term “frenemy” was just a question on Cash Cab.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Ha. Love that show.

  • Chip

    I have an interesting question, say the Yankees do sign that Cuba SS or have another one of their shortstops in the middle minors really break out. Does that impact the negotiations at all? (By really break out, I mean like literally hit the cover off the ball and be in AA by the end of the season)

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I doubt it, unless the kid plays Vizquel-defense and hits like Hanley. So, basically:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDnXkFVEQ0Y

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Oh and I mean Major League Hanley, not Minor League Hanley (which was still good for an SS).

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      No, any of the perspective IFA players would be too far away, the SS we have all have huge flaws or are merely utility players in the future—if they even get there. Angelini probably has the most actual talent…well, we know his story.

      Prospects rarely determine negotiation for big market clubs like the Yanks. We don’t really have much in the way of up-the-middle IF talent. Non factor.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

    I like to come up with my own misguided speculation for shits and giggles.

    JMK: Jeter could ask for David Patterson’s position as Governor of New York.

    JMK: Jeter could rebuff a contract so as to dedicate his life to developing cold fusion.

    JMK: Jeter could ask for lifetime of Nutella and Swiss sandwiches.

    • Christos

      Or he could ask to do David Patterson on SNL. That would be fun.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Jeter’s too good for TV. Blockbusters or bust.

  • Andy_C_23

    How long do you guys think Jeet stays at short? Do you think he’ll be receptive to switching positions? What if they do get that Cuban SS or Pena starts playing well? What does that mean for Captain?

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I put the chances of Jeter moving off of SS at about…ten percent max.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      How long do you guys think Jeet stays at short?

      As long as he’s playing.

      Do you think he’ll be receptive to switching positions?

      Did my cat like getting his nuts chopped off?

      What if they do get that Cuban SS or Pena starts playing well?

      Hech is too far away and still a prospect. Who knows how he’d be? Pena will never have the bat.

      What does that mean for Captain?

      Absolutely nothing.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Did my cat like getting his nuts chopped off?

        That’s the second time you’ve used this joke, JMK. For shame.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Hah, so you think! I have five cats.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Pics or it didn’t happen. I won’t let you recycle jokes so easily!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

              The sad thing is, the answer to the oft-repeated question of “Did my cat like getting his nuts chopped off?” is…

              Yes. Yes, JMK’s cat liked getting his nuts chopped off. If anyone would own such a cat, it’s The Overshare.

            • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

              You want to see my cats genitals? I have more respect for those furry things than I do the whiskey tango nanana I take home. I won’t even dignify that request.

              Now, getting onto more important matters: first off, I like that joke — I like cats; I think nuts being lopped off is funny and horrifying — so you shut your whore mouth when Willie Mays is talking to you!

              • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                No, I want pictures of the five cats you sick, sick person.

                • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

                  That I can probably do. Promise you won’t bust out the lotion. I can’t bear the thought of someone getting off to pictures of my cats.

                • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                  I was only like…quarter serious.

                  And, scouts honor.

                • Jack
        • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

          You think it’s a joke.. It’s really a horrifying tale of a late night in JMK’s garden apartment.

      • Andy_C_23

        “How long do you guys think Jeet stays at short?”

        “As long as he’s playing.”

        Yeah, but what if he simply can’t play anymore? What if his skills atrophy so bad that he’s hurting the team? For someone who says he’s all about the team and winning, don’t you think he’d be willing to make a move? Obviously he wouldn’t want to, but you don’t think he’d do it for the good of the team?

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          That’s why he won’t be getting a six-year deal. In fact, I’m guessing it will be a four-year, though I’d prefer a three. I think as he’s nearing his milestones, they’ll just have to bite their tongues. It’ll be too much of a PR hit and unless he’s really, really, really terrible, his positional value anywhere but SS or 2B would render him average. But I suppose if he’s that bad, they’ll have to find a way to DH him. It’s hard to look so far into the glass of the crystal ball, but just my two million cents.

    • Accent Shallow

      He’ll stay at short as long as his defense is non-awful. As to how long that is . . . who knows. Three more years?

  • baseballnation

    Maybe I am on the otherside of the fence with this but I think the Yankees have no choice but to ante up for 6 with Jeter and i think the article nailed two big reasons why:

    A) It’ll allow him to go until 42 which is what the Yankees went with Arod. And (B) His natural legacy with the franchise and in the game of baseball. Granted he is probably not worth six for 25 million per…But if the yankees tag say 20 per to the deal I think it may be plausible and still pay off for the Yankees.

    Unlike Arod, Jeter’s game does not revolve around power. So if a 40 year old arod loses the gaudy hr numbers due to decrease in power with age his deal becomes an albatross. Jeter’s game on the other hand is more tuned for hitting the ball the other way (which he does better then anyone else in baseball, and slapping in some doubles. And his popularity and marketing appeal also bring in alot of revenue for the Yankees which also has to be equated.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Don’t power skills tend to age better than contact skills? Also, A-Rod hits for a pretty high BA for a slugger, but I’d say Jeter’s very good contact skills and slightly above average power are likely to age worse than Rodriguez’s good contact skills and supreme power skills.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      Unlike Arod, Jeter’s game does not revolve around power.

      Right and wrong. Jeter doesn’t have power. But A-Rod doens’t only have power. A-Rod can hit for average, hit for power, and get on base at a good clip. Jeter can hit for average, can’t hit for power and also can get on base at a good clip.

    • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

      A-Rod’s deal is in no way a gauge for what Jeter should get. If Jeter’s agent goes in there saying, “Hey! A-Rod’s deal runs through age 42!” The Yankees reply by saying, “Derek Jeter is not Alex Rodriguez.”
      Now, this will never happen because neither party would insult the other by comparing Jeter to one of the best players alive.

      • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

        Also, to act like Jeter will be immune to a dropoff (vs. Al) because he hits the other way is crazy. If he loses his bat speed, those oppo hits don’t drop in.

        • Snakes on the mother effin plane

          True. They end up foul in the stands the other way.

      • http://none Jake

        Jeter isn’t Arod.

        That’s correct. Jeter is the best player in the game since Pete Rose. Arod had one great October. Hardly comparable to 13-15.

        I can’t believe a Yankee fan would say something so ignorant.

        • Jack

          All of this is batshit insane.

        • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

          I can’t believe a Yankee fan would say something so ignorant.

          Forget SBGL, this is the most ironic thing ever on this site.

          Hey guess what? A-Rod >> Jeter.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Not enough.

            ARod >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeter.

            CentWAR Centaur™.

            • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

              I know but you have to take away a few “>” for being clutch AND for being a “True Yankee” AND a “5 Rings Club” member.

              Obviously.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                I had already factored all those variables into the equation when I made my statement.

                • http://None Jake

                  Um, no.

              • http://None Jake

                Also Jeter gets some credit for not cheating.
                Don’t ya think?

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Jeter is the best player in the game since Pete Rose

          Really?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Derek Jeter and Pete Rose:

            Both never the best player in the game. Not even for a second.

            • http://None Jake

              Clearly you never saw Pete Rose play

            • Hughesus Christo

              1999

              *tear*

          • Jack

            I can think of at least two things wrong with that sentence.

          • http://None Jake

            Yes.

            By the way, I don’t count cheaters, and luckily neither does the hall.

            • Jack

              Really? You don’t think any current HOFers have cheated?

              • http://None Jake

                Stealing signs? Sure.

                Arod, Big Mac, Bonds, Sosa.

                Same crap.

            • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

              Oh to be young and naive.

              • http://None Jake

                You’re so clever

        • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

          ietc? haha

        • keithr

          You can’t be real.

          • http://None Jake

            You’re right. I’m nuts.

            Jeter isn’t the greatest Yankee since Mantle.

            And he’s not Arod, because he doesn’t hit grand slams with 8 run leads in the 8th inning against the Rays.

            • bexarama

              If you’re referring to the last game of last year, A-Rod’s first home run gave us the lead in that game. In fact, in the same inning.

              • http://None Jake

                No, I’m not. And I think you know that.

                Steroids can’t give you balls.
                Actually, they make them smaller.

                That’s really the difference between the two
                players. One has always been ready.

                The other was a mess from day 1 in NY
                and probably because of the guilt he had knowing
                that his regular season accomplishments weren’t
                real.

                In 2005, Mariano Rivera should have won the MVP.
                That doesn’t get you just a little bit?

                Arod has one guilt-free Oct, and all is forgiven?
                I’d love to do business with this crowd.

                • bexarama

                  In 2005, Mariano Rivera should have won the MVP.
                  That doesn’t get you just a little bit?

                  Mariano Rivera is likely my favorite or second favorite player in the history of the game. He has never deserved an MVP (or even a Cy Young); the closest he ever got to deserving one was 1996. He’s a relief pitcher. He’s the best relief pitcher in the history of the game, but he’s still a relief pitcher that, in a very busy year for him, will only affect 80 or so innings over the course of a season. If you disqualify A-Rod, there are still tons of players I’d choose as MVP over Mo for that year.

                  Arod has one guilt-free Oct, and all is forgiven?
                  There wasn’t really anything to forgive because I always enjoyed having one of the greatest players in the history of the game, steroids or not, on my favorite team.

                • bexarama

                  Also,

                  The other was a mess from day 1 in NY
                  and probably because of the guilt he had knowing
                  that his regular season accomplishments weren’t
                  real.

                  A-Rod’s numbers with the Yankees:
                  .300/.401/.567/.968, 152 OPS+. He averages 44 HR per 162 games. If that’s a man who is a mess because of his guilt, I’ll take nine men who are messes because of their guilt.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Totally agree. +2

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            Heh. I know you’re not serious, which makes this all the more hilarious.

        • bexarama

          What the… huh?

          Jake is my new favorite poster.

        • bexarama

          Also, A-Rod had more than one great October. He had an excellent October in 2000 (but OH NO IT WASN’T WITH THE YANKEES, IT DOESN’T COUNT) and, yes, a very good October in 2004. Like, he was pretty much THE reason we got out of the first round. Maybe it would have been better if we didn’t get out of the first round, knowing how things turned out. But whatever.

          • http://None Jake

            Are you joking?

            You’re going to argue that Arod was great in 2000?
            If he was, then why wasn’t he taking steroids in Oct from 04-07?

            I love how you being up 04. Ball slap. Not the way to become a Yankee.

            • bexarama

              Are you joking?
              No.

              You’re going to argue that Arod was great in 2000?
              …yes? He OPSed over 1.000 in a losing effort in that series against the Yankees. He had a home run that basically single-handedly won a game. What are your standards?

              If he was, then why wasn’t he taking steroids in Oct from 04-07?
              I dunno, maybe he was? Or maybe he just had a bad few games?

              I love how you being up 04. Ball slap. Not the way to become a Yankee.
              From the 07 ALCS: Dustin Pedroia is clearly not a True Red Sock.

              • http://None Jake

                Arod was awesome in 2000.
                So was Jeter.

                Jeter was clean.

                Here’s a trivia question: which one is the HOFer?

                • bexarama

                  Actually, they both are.

                  And there’s no way to know whether Jeter was clean or not. Do I THINK and HOPE he was clean? Sure. Is there a possibility that he was just as dirty as like 80% of the rest of the guys in the game? Yup.

                • bexarama

                  Oh, and you do realize it’s silly to pontificate over who’s a better person, Jeter vs. A-Rod, when your example of the ultimate player is Pete Rose?

                • http://None Jake

                  Rose never gambled while he played,
                  BUT you have a damn good point.

                  Rose was also one the biggest asses to
                  ever play the game. Still, we have not seen
                  anything like him since.

                  If you were old enough to have seen him,
                  you’d agree that he changed the like no other.

                  Arod isn’t getting in the Hall, and not because
                  he doesn’t have my vote. If Big Mac
                  doesn’t get voted in because he juiced,
                  then neither does Arod.

                  Same story.

            • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

              POWERBARS!!!!

      • http://None Jake

        Arod’s deal was signed before anyone knew that his breaking The home run record would be completely meangingless.

        Think he gets that deal now?

  • Ace

    Counterpoint…

    Derek Jeter should not get “extra years” or “extra money” because he is Derek Jeter; that is flat-out bad business and a bad move for the Yankees. Wayne Gretzky, arguably (and in my personal opinon) the greatest and most dominant athlete in any sport, was not given special treatment simply because he was Wayne Gretzky – and he was in his prime at the time of his deal with the franchise that he was “the face of.” Why? Because overpaying one player based on sentimentality is not in the best interests of the team. Jeter should receive a contract that is market-value of a 36 year old shortstop performing at the level he performs at this year or expect to go elsewhere.

    • http://none Jake

      The Yankees will move to New Jersey before Jeter goes elsewhere.
      He’s retiring as a Yankee, and he’s getting what he wants.

      Bank on that.

    • http://None Jake

      Under that logic we should have Rivera go.

    • Hughesus Christo

      I don’t get the Gretzky point. He left teams for (1) More money, (2) legacy, (3) chances to win. He was getting paid at the top of the league at 36, 37, 38 as a role player because he was Wayne Gretzky.

      • Snakes on the mother effin plane

        Yup I think someone forgot to follow Gretzky’s career to the end…

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    (hedges bets)

    Gimmie $80 on 4yrs/100M and $20 on 5yr/120M.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      if you’ll do that, would you consider 6/135?

      when will he break the hit record…he needs 4257 and has 2747 now… lets say he hits 200 this year dropping 6 a year after that…man thats still only 3839…he’d have to go at least two more years…can jeter hang around for 8/9 years at that pace or keep it from falling that far that fast…

      /thatwasjustforyoutommie

  • http://none Jake

    I don’t see Jeter taking a pay cut.

    • http://www.thechuckknoblog.com/ JobaWockeeZ

      Yeah at least he’s not lazy.

      • bexarama

        ietc

  • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

    Before this year is over Jeter will get six.

    Six rings, baby.

  • Warren

    Scott Boras is just pissed he isn’t getting a cut of Jeter’s contract so he has his lapdogs Heyman and Rosenthal start making things up.

  • http://Youcan'tincreaseyourrange TLVP

    This is getting out of hand. I’m a huge Jeter fan, but to suggest that he should get 6 years is just bad business. Frankly anything more than 4 years is absurd. He’ll be a 40 year old SS who doesn’t hit for power. Iconic or not – such a player doesn’t get a 6 year contract, and nor does he get $25m/y. At best he keeps his current salary.

    If he want’s six years give him 90/6 and tell him the alternative is 80/4.

    The Yankees would not look cheap if they offered him that, and he would look greedy and stupid if he rejected it.

  • Doug

    Here’s what you do: he wants 6 years? he gets $15M per; 5 years? $17M per; and so.

    So he can pick from:
    6/90
    5/85
    4/76
    3/63
    2/46
    1/25

  • cr1

    Just to be boring and refer to the actual post, where was the put-down of Rodriguez in the Heyman squib?