Open Thread: Tape delayed


The Yankees already played today, but MLB Network tape delayed the broadcast until tonight. I won’t ruin the outcome for you, but CC Sabathia faced Roy Halladay. If you’re not going to watch the game, the Rangers and Isles are both playing live tonight. Anything goes, so have fun.

Photo Credit: Kathy Willens, AP

Categories : Open Thread


  1. I have homework, but I’ll be sure to turn the game on to watch The Jesus.

  2. JobaWockeeZ says:

    So did Jesus make a plate appearance today?

  3. Drew says:

    MLB Network is Game 1 of the WS for me. The game is on comcast sportsnet though.

  4. Hangoverologist says:

    My god, these CSN announcers have a huge boner for Halladay. Calm down for Christ’s sake.

    • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

      It only gets worse.

    • bexarama says:

      Annoying announcers, in order from most annoying to least annoying:
      White Sox
      Giants (Miller >:( )
      whatever team Chip Caray broadcasts for now

      • Tom Zig says:

        I know a lot of people find Hawk Harrelson annoying, but I actually like him and Michael Kay.

        • Drew says:

          I hate Kay but love Hawk. If I was a White Sox fan I’d feel like the guy was sitting on my couch saying the same shit I say.

          • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

            Really? You use the term “ducksnort”?

          • Riddering says:

            A MLB play-by-play television announcer should not sound like a guy sitting on your couch saying the same shit you say.

            • Drew says:

              Eh, I disagree. Aside from expletives and what not, it’s endearing to me that the announcer lives and dies with each pitch like me. And when Boston comes in, I want him(or her) to hate them like I do. IMO, you shouldn’t have to be objective when you call 145+ games for a team each year.

              • Riddering says:

                There’s a difference between being objective and being so biased that it’s a liability in the person’s ability to call a coherent game. No one in the booth should call the other team ‘the bad guys’. That’s just silly. It’s baseball, not a crime drama.

        • bexarama says:

          All things considered, I probably should have put Harrelson lower, because I can actually stand him. I can’t stand the Phillies’ announcers, they are awful. And I REALLY can’t stand the Mariners’ announcer (he’s old and screams A LOT). Harrelson is kind of endearing in how bad he is. You can put it on the board…… YE-EES!!!

          I don’t really have major problems with Kay.

    • bexarama says:

      and the most hilarious thing was that soooo many Phillies fans were like “OMG why did we trade away Cliff Lee? Cliff Lee is soooo much better than Halladay!!!!” and now they’re putting Halladay in the Hall of Fame with a Phillies cap.

      • WIlliam says:

        To be fair, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Halladay go int he Hall with a Phillies hat. He has a good chance of winning numerous pennants and Cy Youngs with the Phils.

        • bexarama says:

          Me neither, it was just kind of hilarious to see them go back and forth so quickly.

          Not that Yankee fans don’t do that.

    • I’m going to go ahead and disagree with the general sentiment about the Phillies coverage of this game and the fawning over Halladay. I really didn’t think they were so bad, especially when you consider how big an acquisition this is for them. The media attention, and the endless talk about it from the YES booth, if Halladay signed with the Yanks, would be so much worse than this Phillies coverage was today.

      They acquired arguably the best pitcher in the game, today was his first Spring Training start in their uniform, he mowed the Yankees down in a couple of innings, and they said he pitched well and expressed excitement about it. I’m not really sure what everyone expected them to do – not talk about the biggest story of the day? It’s not like they were slobbering all over the guy or screaming with excitement, I think the coverage was actually pretty appropriate and reasonable.

      This all just seems kind of reactionary.

      • bexarama says:

        Party pooper!!!!

        Nah, now that I can hear the entire coverage, it’s not so terrible. They are, in general, awful announcers though (I understand getting emotional during the playoffs, but listen to some of their calls, yikes), so I probably go in with a confirmation bias that they will be awful.

        I do think they were a little too “OMG HALLADAY!!!” but I don’t really blame them, for the reasons you said.

        • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

          I didn’t really mind the Halladay fawning. It’s the Kendrick and Contreras fawning that bothered me.

          • Stryker says:

            EXACTLY. after contreras was done for the day you’d think, from the way the announcers talked about him, he got out of a bases loaded jam in game 7 of the world series if you didn’t know better/weren’t watching the game.

  5. So, if anyone has Insider, I, uh, suggest you check out TMI tomorrow.

  6. Drew says:

    Hey look who’s at first!

  7. Christos says:

    What do you guys think of Casey Kelly?

  8. Hangoverologist says:

    LOL, Ransom is at first base. He should erase Howard’s 24 + 1 mentality.

    /Pete Abe’d

  9. JoeyH says:

    Did CC lose any weight? He seems to be skinnier.

  10. bexarama says:

    The Mets signed Kiko Calero (to a minor league deal).

    I can’t believe they made a move that makes even a modicum of sense.

  11. JoeyH says:

    I did this on my show last night and I’m curious to see what you guys say. Who do you see as the most self-centered athletes of recent memor? Greedy, selfish ect.. What names come to mind?

      • JoeyH says:

        He was one I listed.

      • Drew says:

        I know I’ll get bashed but honestly, he really just wants to play football. Is he selfish because he doesn’t decide if he’s coming back until Training Camp?

        • JoeyH says:

          That’s what I say. I am a huge Favre supporter. He can still contribute thats great. Maybe if he wasn’t so pressured for instant answers he wouldn’t jump the gun. The other side of the argument is that he probably doesn’t want to go through all the motions of camp(selfish).

        • No bashing, I just disagree. I’m not saying the guy is a horrible person or anything, but there are plenty of things about him (years’ worth of tear-filled press conferences about his future, etc.) that scream of some pretty serious narcissism.

        • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

          I know I’ll get bashed but honestly, he really just wants to play football. Is he selfish because he doesn’t decide if he’s coming back until Training Camp? decides well in advance knowing that he craves the spotlight (which he keeps himself in by “changing” his mind every ten minutes), and every record that comes with playing, but he’d rather not bother with camp so he holds teams hostage because they can’t fully commit to a new QB if he comes back and they (obviously) can’t commit to him.

          There. Fixed that for ya.

          • Drew says:

            Eh. That’s your opinion. Imo, the guy would be happy if no one bothered him until August. I personally don’t think he delays his decision to gain attention.

            • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

              Is that why he goes on “Joe Buck Live” in mid-June? Sorry, I probably sound very anti-Drew, which is totally not the case. I’m just very, very, very, very, very, very anti-Brett Favre.

    • Drew says:

      I have a hard time coming up with one..

      If anyone said Owens, I’d disagree wholeheartedly. He’s really a good guy, I got the chance to play a pickup basketball game with him down in Miami. Really a class guy. Don’t let the media skew your opinions.

      • No offense… But the short amount of time you may have spent with the guy doesn’t do much to convince me of anything. Selfish or otherwise less-than-ideal people can come off (or be) perfectly nice and friendly, they’re not cartoon characters.

        • Drew says:

          I understand that. My logic is that the guy went out of his way after the game to come give me a fist bump. It may seem insignificant but it was a big deal to me.

          It’s the only evidence I have of him when it relates to personal interaction. I cannot base my opinion off of how the media portrays someone. So, I base it off of my own experience. To me, he seems like a pretty good guy.

          • To me, he seems like a pretty good guy...

            In the very short amount of time you spent with him.

            I’m not saying the guy wasn’t nice to you or anything like that, and I get that you like that he seemed cool when you hung out with him… But glimpses like that tell us next to nothing about a person. I met Jim Leyritz a couple of months before he ran into all his trouble, and he was super nice to me when I met him. He was a very nice guy in my short interaction with him, but that doesn’t mean the guy didn’t/doesn’t have his demons.

            My point is just that short interactions like that don’t tell us much, other than that someone can be nice/charming. You have absolutely no idea about Owens’s personality outside that short, relatively public interaction you had with him.

            What we do know, because we have more evidence than one guy saying ‘hey I met that guy and he was nice to me, so he’s good in my book,’ are numerous incidents of the guy acting strangely – ranging from assholeish to vain to just plain confusing. Those things don’t disappear just because he was nice to you for a few minutes.

    • JoeyH says:

      My list, biases aside (it’s our weekly top 5 list so there’s 5)
      1: Bonds
      2: Allen Iverson
      3: A-Rod
      4: Manny
      5: Favre

      • Drew says:

        On the A.I. front, what makes him greedy/selfish? Is it because he’s kind of a ball hog or is it other reasons?

        • JoeyH says:

          Ball hog, not wanting to practice or be with the team. It also doesn’t help that I can’t stand him.

          • Drew says:

            Word. My only defense on him being a ball hog is that he never played with someone who warranted the ball over him.
            Imagine if you had the ability of a guy like AI. How often would you want to give the ball up? I guess that’s the definition of selfishness but I can understand why he acted like that.

            • JoeyH says:

              I suppose so. But there’s a reason there are 5 guys on the floor. Him being under-sized doesn’t help either but he was still very effective in his prime obviously.

            • Steve H says:

              I’ve gone back and forth on my feelings for A.I. for years, and that’s basically what I think. By the time he played with someone good (Melo), he’d already established how he was going to play NBA basketball. I would have loved to have seen A.I. play with a good big man early in his career to see how he would have developed.

        • Jose says:

          Bad news for A.I. today as his wife filed for divorce.

    • JGS says:

      Latrell Sprewell

    • Teix is the Man says:

      Casey Kelly, because he possesses too much talent.

    • Michael Jordan has to take the top spot, no? That guy is the ultimate narcissist*.

      *Which probably is part of what made him so great, but still.

      • JoeyH says:

        He was on my co-host’s top 5 list. #1 I think. (Shameless plug) Check out the archive it was amusing.

      • Lifetime of Question Marks says:

        The very top spot*. Got to be.

        *Coming from a bitter Knicks fan who saw Jordan destroy most of the great Knicks teams of this fan’s life.

      • Davor says:

        I remember Jordan’s second three titles in Chicago. he would usually start the game looking to get teammates into groove. If he found a couple of them playing well that game, it was an easy 20+ victory. If he couldn’t find any support, he would finish the game scoring 17 of the last 21 points or something like that. Jordan knew the importance of really playing 5-on-5, even when some of his 5 were borderline NBA players at best.

    • bexarama says:

      Obviously Mariano Rivera

      (I don’t know enough about other sports to really talk definitively about them, but I dunno if Manny counts THAT much. I mean, he’s been accused of dogging it, but if you look at his performance when he “dogged it,” it was excellent.)

    • Thomas says:

      Deion Sanders he commented that he did so much for the cornerback position that they should rename it “Deion.”

      Also Russian figure skater, Evgeni Plushenko, who made comments at the Olympics about stuff like how the other skaters weren’t good as him and could perform his stunts. Then he didn’t get gold.

      • Steve H says:

        Also Russian figure skater, Evgeni Plushenko, who made comments at the Olympics about stuff like how the other skaters weren’t good as him and could perform his stunts. Then he didn’t get gold.

        I think it was a question about athletes :)

        • Thomas says:

          I am going to say figure skater along with dancers, gymnasts, cheerleaders, etc are athletes. What they do takes extreme athleticism. However, they do not play sports.

          Also, I only heard about Plushenko, I don’t watch figure skating. I stick to ice dancing.

          • Steve H says:

            I agree on the athlete vs. sports thing, I was just kidding.

            As far as ice dancing goes, two words. Tanith. Belbin.

          • Big Juan says:

            I think Steve was mostly kidding anyway.

            And I agree with your thoughts about whether they are “sports” or not. Does it require extreme athleticism? Abso-freaking-lutely. However, it’s hard for me to call it a sport when judges determine the outcome. Something is lost there for me.

            My ex-girlfriend was a gymnast, and holy shit, their bodies take a beating. I was a 3-sport athlete in high school and play college baseball now and I don’t think I could have lasted in some of her workouts.

      • Thomas says:

        Also Roy Williams. He had this exchange:

        When Albom asked Williams why he celebrated a reception with his team already trailing by two scores, Williams responded, “I celebrate first downs all the time. I’m not gonna stop that. I’m an exciting player. If I do something exciting, I’m gonna show my actions.”

        Albom responded, “But you were losing, 10-0.”

        “What does that mean? … That means nothing to me. The score means nothing,” Williams told Albom.


        He also mentioned how cheap he was saying he’d make girls pay for their dates or he’d take them to McDonald’s and how he doesn’t tip pizza delivery men.

      • A.D. says:

        Well Pleshenko was right, many other skaters couldn’t perform his stunts, however he got silver because his free skate wasn’t that clean.

      • Davor says:

        Well, Plushenko was probably at his worst since at least 2002 (except for when he had ankle injury), and Lasichek may have had the best non-Plushenko performance during that time, and he still just barely beat him. Plushenko’s preformance was still technically the strongest, but his presentation was way below his level.

  12. Steve H says:

    Speaking of A.I., I’m pretty sure the 30 for 30 on him is coming up soon, and apparently is an absolute must watch.

  13. Steve H says:

    20 years since Hank Gathers died. What a shame.

  14. Drew says:

    Robbie looks locked in today. His first out against Doc was ripped to right, then his next AB was a ripped grounder for a hit to right.

  15. Steve H says:

    Office Space is on Comedy Central. The longer I’ve been in the workforce, the better this movie gets.

    • Jose says:

      Love that movie. Even though my career path has never led me to working in cubes.

      Do you watch “The Office”? Big episode on tonight.

      • Drew says:

        An hour long. I’m ready!

        • Jose says:

          I have to say, I thought 2 of the last 3 episodes weren’t that great. I mean the recap episode could have been made by someone on Youtube splicing together old episodes. There was like 3 minutes of new content. I’m really hoping for a bounce back in some of the writing.

          The numbers started to dip with the episodes also. Earlier in the season they were getting around 8.1 million viewers, last few episodes have been around 7.4 million viewers.

      • Steve H says:

        I do watch The Office, while it’s not 1/100th of what it used to be, I still enjoy it.

        And working in cubes only enhances Office Space, trust me.

      • bexarama says:

        I am so embarrassingly excited for The Office‘s episode tonight.

    • Mike HC says:

      Great movie. Gets better on every viewing too. I must have seen it like 50 times, so there is definitely a point where it stops getting better, but you catch my drift.

  16. Hey, guys, just getting back in here.

    Did I miss anyone getting banned? It felt like that’s where things were headed a few hours ago when I last checked the site.

  17. Mike HC says:

    Damn, I missed the entire beginning of the game re play. I know you guys do enough already, but if there is any way to post the schedule, and what time, channel and even if, the games are going to be aired on TV, that would be great! I come here for everything Yankees now. I don’t want to stray!! ha.

  18. dkidd says:

    i don’t care what anyone says: i love the phillie phanatic!

  19. Accent Shallow says:

    Something that hasn’t been brought up much around here is that Cashman has been the GM since 1998 — at what point does he step aside?

    Not that I think he’s done at bad job, but twelve years is quite some time.

  20. Reggie C. says:

    Damn. Karlos Dansby would’ve been a fantastic addition to a LB corps lacking leadership. Dansby looks to be headed to Miami instead.

    • andrew says:

      They may be targeting a LB with their first round pick. Building through the draft is the way to go. Dansby would have been a great addition, but if they can get a comparable, younger, cheaper talent at 15, then it will end up helping the team overall.

  21. Sean C says:

    I just got home from taking a written exam for a police department, and the guy sitting next to me looked EXACTLY like Mo. The bald spot was even perfect. I saw it as a sign of encouragement. But then somehow I was let down when I realized Mo would never retire from the Yankees to try out to be a police officer in Normal, Illinois. But it got me thinking: He wouldn’t carry a gun, instead just firing cutters at dangerous people…

    • bexarama says:

      I love how David Cone accidentally gave out his phone number on the air last year, and Yankee fans were calling him, only they were asking him questions that were like, “It’s a zombie apocalypse, what one weapon do you want?” His answer: “A Mariano Rivera cutter, it doesn’t miss.”

  22. RAB poll:

    Would you rather have a SS that has an 80 glove with a 50 bat or one with an 80 Bat and 50 glove?

  23. T-Dubs says:

    I’m really enjoying Chad Jennings. It’s nice to have beat writers that don’t talk down to fans and bring some humor to the game.

    “Jesus Montero singled in his first spring at-bat. I was in the clubhouse at the time, but I assume it circled the globe before dropping into right field.?

    • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

      It’s nice to have beat writers that don’t talk down to fans and bring some humor to the game.

      Repeated, emphasized.

      • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

        I stumbled across his Boston blog (forgot what it’s called) awhile ago, and I swear to Mo, there was a chat and someone was asking about importance of the utility man (or something), and he STILL managed to make an “Angel Berroa is old” joke.

  24. bexarama says:

    So over on one of TYU’s comment threads, I got to wondering and it didn’t really get answered because the site had moved on from the entry where I asked it: why do people steal home against Andy Pettitte every so often? Obviously it doesn’t happen every year or anything like that, but it happened in 2002, 2009, and… 2007, too, I think? It’s happened three times, that’s quite a bit, even for a long career.

    He’s known for keeping runners on first (whether this perception is true or not), but why the steals of home? Does he have an exceptionally long windup? Is it just the marvelousness of Godcoby Ellsbury?

    • T-Dubs says:

      He has a great move to first but his back is to the runner on 3rd and his delivery isn’t that short, it’s just deceptive to runners that can’t tell if he’s going home or to first.

      • Drew says:

        Long delivery, not so fast pitches. It has to be the right opportunity(baserunner/pitch/3rd baseman back?), which is why it only happens once in a blue moon.

        • Big Juan says:

          The positioning of 3rd basemen doesn’t matter so much, IMO. Even if they’re playing in, they’re not holding the runner on. But the first two points stand.

          The opportunity to steal home is there much more than people realize. I think it just doesn’t happen as much because you have to be willing to take the risk.

    • Big Juan says:

      He’s not great at holding runners on in the sense that he’s quick to home plate. It’s deception with Pettitte. And once his back is to the runner, if you want to steal home, you can go as soon as his front foot starts to move.

      And if I recall correctly, when Pillsbury stole home, Pettitte was in the windup. If lefties don’t really pay attention when they’re in the windup and have runner on third, you or I could steal home against them.

      • Big Juan says:

        I should amend the last part of my post. If said lefty is Mark Buehrle, you have no chance. Obviously it needs to be someone with a slower motion.

    • Lifetime of Question Marks says:

      you can take the boy out of texas, but you can’t take the texas out of the boy.

      It’s just a slower way of life down there. And for Andy.

  25. Michael says:

    So weird seeing Halladay in another uniform.

  26. JobaWockeeZ says:

    30 Clubs in 30 Days and today is the Yankees. I don’t know if I should risk watching.

    • JGS says:

      let me sum up:

      Joba should go to the pen, Vazquez may have trouble handling New York, Joba should go to the pen, and the Yankee defense is trailing behind Boston’s and soon they will have to cower before Casey Kelly. Oh, and Joba to the pen

      • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

        …Boston’s rotation is better, Nick Johnson is injury prone, Granderson can’t hit lefties, letting Damon/Matsui go was a huge mistake, A-Rod beats babies. Oh yeah, Joba to the pen.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Did they say that or is that a guess? If it’s a guess mine would be to add on to that Hughes to the pen. Matsui and Damon are irreplaceable. Granderson hit .250. Nick Johnson is an injury machine. Jeter will break down. Posada will break down.

        • bexarama says:

          They basically got the “Matsui and Damon are irreplaceable” stuff out of the way yesterday on “MLB by the Numbers” by pointing out Matsui and Damon’s close and late stats last year vs. Granderson and Johnson’s.

          I think Al Leiter is gonna be on the panel and he’s a Yankee homer, so if the other guys start talking dumb crap about the Yankees, he’ll stop them.

        • The Yankees are a solid team, but the Red Sox still have no weaknesses.


          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            You missed…


            • bexarama says:

              I was horrified that Skip Bayless is related to Rick Bayless, who rules and makes delicious Mexican food to boot.

              Also, Buster Olney must be SO PISSED that the Yankees won the World Series because it makes the epilogue of The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty look mighty silly.

              • JobaWockeeZ says:

                I can’t stand Skip Bayless. There’s no oen worse. It’s so obvious he hates the Yankees. In April it looked like he jizzed in his pants when acting so damn smug when he said his line of “You CAN’T COUNT on Sabathia.”

                And he said it gain in September. I don’t know his reaction when they won the World Series but I don’t know how a homer like him has a job.

                • Skip Bayless is a cock.

                • bexarama says:

                  He really really sucks.

                  I think it was after Game 4 of the World Series, he had like a mental breakdown on TV, ranting about how much he hated this team and how unlikeable they were. It was awesome. I wanted to taste his bitter, bitter tears. I mean, all of ESPN was having a mental breakdown minus Valentine, but him especially, IIRC.

                • JGS says:

                  I think some of it is an act. He plays the part of the asshole that says outlandish things to get a response out of the people. He is the Bo of ESPN

                • JobaWockeeZ says:

                  An act? Well it’s possible but I honestly think he’s that irrational.

                  But I suppose it has to be an act because I could act like a moron without an education too but I won’t get paid for it.

                • JGS says:

                  I mean, when they have segments like “send in your video and tell us why Skip Bayless is wrong” it seems to suggest he is being wrong on purpose

                • JobaWockeeZ says:

                  Oh they have that? That’s funny. I stopped watching that show ever since I heard Skip say stuff about CC like that.

              • JGS says:

                nah–this is the beginning of a new dynasty

          • As much as I hate to admit this or say it or whatever, what the Red Sox do this year actually has implications league-wide. If they have a successful (playoffs) season, a lot of teams will try to emulate the whole good-but-not-great-offense-with-solid-pitching-and-strong-defense model. If they (and Seattle for that matter) don’t have a good season, teams will likely abandon that type of strategy, much like when the Sox’s closer by committee thing didn’t turn out well.

      • Paul says:

        But will they mention Joba’s bull in a china shop mentality, or is that a given?

        • bexarama says:

          I read an article that said Curtis Granderson should play CF because he has the personality for it.

          Granderson, though, just looks right in center. He has the body type and the big personality for the position.

          “He’s a good-looking player,” Girardi said. “He’s got a lot of talent. He really does, and tremendous character.”

          Sounds like a Yankees center fielder.


          • ROBTEN says:


            You see, behind the scenes the competition for the Yankee CF position is run much like a beauty pageant or, for the younger among us, “Project Runway.” Each candidate is judged based upon their looks and the answers to three questions: world history, classical philosophy, and judicial ethics.

            Few now remember that it was actually instituted as part of the deal to bring the Highlanders to New York, as the MLB was hoping to increase attendance by getting on the bangwagon of the cultural phenomenon of the “teen idol” that had just started to emerge. The only time in which this process was deemed a failure was during the 1940s and 1950s when, due to a severe shortage of talent, they were forced to give the position to Joe DiMaggio, even though he was quite unattractive and surely. They tried to cover it up, as you may know, by paring him with Marilyn Monroe, hoping that with everyone staring at Monroe no one would pay attention to just how butt-ugly and ill-tempered DiMaggio was. Of course it was a disaster, and the marriage was quickly ended.

            Since then, outside of the Bobby Mercer years the process has been generally considered only a marginal success with players who were either attractive or charismatic, but rarely both. However with the trade for Granderson, the Yankees believe that they finally have someone to match the sheer handsomeness and charisma of Earle Combs.

            Or, it’s just lazy journalism. Take your pick.

    • bexarama says:

      A-Rod just gently made fun of Tex’s goggles that he wore at every champagne celebration in 2009.

      Dude. They are in love.

  27. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Hmm apparently on the Twitterfeed the Yankees are looking at this Carlos Matias guy and his supposed 99 MPH fastball.

    Anyone know something else about this guy?

  28. JobaWockeeZ says:

    FML I missed Jesus’s AB.

  29. Tommie, you there? I found it. My b, you’re an ass, not a dick.

  30. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Oh who wouldn’t love a career like this for Montero.

    I hope they’re all true.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      I looked at those projections, and they all look like horseshit. Just absurd, absurd projections.

      I can’t see why anyone would pay for these — they compare poorly to ZiPS, CHONE, and Marcel. Ick.

      • Kelvin DeLeon’s line in 2015: .323/.364/.718/1.082 54 home runs.

        • Accent Shallow says:

          Look, I appreciate the attempt to project the shape of players’ careers — the projection systems I mentioned above generally do a poor job of protecting minor leaguers and young players, due to the difficulties of translating minor league performance.

          However, this is just blind, wild optimism, and their projections for established players seem to all call for quick declines. Again, something I wouldn’t pay for.

          • Yeah, I rarely use projection systems for minor leaguers or guys with really small samples in big league action. Generally, I defer to traditional scouting notes and see what’s stuck in terms of numbers.

            But yeah, there’s no basis for numbers like that. It’s crazy.

        • Steve H says:

          I thought your tweet on that was a joke.

          Holy shit.

    • Tom Zig says:

      That’s Pujols-level production.

      7.5 WAR in 2015? Wowzerrsszzz

  31. bexarama says:

    Bruney took the loss in the Marlins’ beatdown of the Nats today. I know it means nothing, but I am still amused.

  32. Big Juan says:

    Chad Jennings: For people who have never seen you, what kind of player are you?

    Reid Gorecki: I’m a scrappy dirtball. I like to leave the field the dirtiest guy on the field. I’m going to dive for a ball. I’m going to throw a runner out. I’m going to steal a base. I’m going to occasionally hit with some power. I just love winning.

    Now all we need is for him to get on the all-grit diet and we could have a new GVP on our hands (

    ‘Grit’: You don’t need talent when you have cornmeal.

    • ROBTEN says:

      Reid Gorecki: I’m a scrappy dirtball. I like to leave the field the dirtiest guy on the field. I’m going to dive for a ball. I’m going to throw a runner out. I’m going to steal a base. I’m going to occasionally hit with some power. I just love winning.

      Translation: I am only marginally adequate at baseball. My aOBP (anti-On Base Percentage) was .778 last year which means that I am absolutely awesome at not getting on base. Combine that with the fact that I am, at best, an average-to-below average fielder, means that I have to run around the field like a maniac to get anyone to notice that I am there. Thus, I am forced represent things like playing poor defense and flopping around the base paths as if it were some kind of special skill set. However, I am white and get my uniform dirty, so people love me.

      /Too cruel?

      • Yeah, I think you nailed it. Essentially, what he said is he lacks the natural ability but makes up for it with his blue-collar ethos. Character counts, but ability is way more important. Good for him, but the guy paddling in a maddening fashion in the ocean and gets to the shore with one leg didn’t necessarily work harder than the guy who swam correctly and made it in one piece. He expended more energy, but that’s all.

  33. SI ranks the GMs.


    Ken Williams ranks way too high and I think Theo is a bit too high. People forget his blunders and are quick to dole out praise, but I may be a bit biased. He’s still Top-5 IMO. Marchman also gives way too much credit to the GM on drafts and the farm.

    Still, a fair list. Hard to disagree with Friedman at TB as the best, or at least in the conversation for the best.

    My list:

    1) Friedman
    2) Cashman
    3) Jack Z
    4) Theo
    5) O’Dowd

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Beane has to be up there. Zduriencik has done a great job on paper, but he’s only been at it for a year. The book is still out on him.

      • Beane would just miss my top-5. He was #6. Jack Z definitely suffers from SSS, but I’m fairly confident they’ll be good for a while with his tone and Wii money.

        Still a bit surprised the back of their rotation is like Jose Lima, Brendan Fraser, and Randy Choate. (Spoiler: it isn’t, but it looks dubious.) And I’m not sold they’ll hit for much, but if Lee and King Felix come through, with that awesome defense, hard not to see them doing well.

    • A.D. says:

      I agree with Kenny Williams, and he kinda knocks him in the overview of Kenny.

    • JGS says:

      and the team is built around cheap, homegrown talent

      Youk is making 9M this year, and 11 next year, Papelbon is making more than 9 this year too. Pedroia and Lester are still cheap, but they only have three years of service time

      • A.D. says:

        yeah and they gloss over some of the blunders, but that’s fine he’s tops for sure.

        • JGS says:

          for sure, but unlike Friedman, he can afford to keep his cheap talent once it’s no longer cheap. He’s very good at what he does, but Friedman >>> Theo

          • A.D. says:

            Agreed, Friedman is more in the Marlins/A’s mold where they cannot just assemble a good team and keep it, they need to keep moving talent getting pricer for cheaper talent.

    • bexarama says:

      Like the Rays, the impressive thing about the Red Sox is that they may deserve even more hype than they get.

      Thaaaat’s impossible.

      • bexarama says:

        That said, Theo is a very, very good GM. He’s made blunders that he got no real heat from the media for (as opposed to Cashman’s blunders), but he’s really good.

        • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

          Is he really that great though? I mean, really. He didn’t draft Youkilis, didn’t draft Lester, SS has been a complete nightmare, Lowell only came as a salary dump with Beckett, in which he gave up a dynamic SS prospect, he didn’t sign Manny, didn’t sign Varitek, swindled Schilling from a Red Sox exec, etc etc.

          • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

            Not to mention Lowell/Beckett was done when he “resigned” and he’s gone on record saying he wouldn’t have done it.

            • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

              He only even got Ellsbury because Orlando Cabrera was named a type A free agent coming off a 74 OPS+ year.

          • bexarama says:

            I don’t think he’s a genius, but he’s good. He does get too much credit for the farm system and a lot of his supposed greatness is due to luck, but I think he’s done a pretty darn good job with that club. He gets WAY too much credit and Cashman too little, but he’s easily the top five of execs.

            • bexarama says:

              Ew, why am I defending Theo?

            • Dirty Pena: The Triple Entendre says:

              I guess we’ll see going forward. Without Manny (and subsequently Bay to replace him) as focal parts of the lineup this is “his” team now, probably for the first time. We’ll see about Lackey, Cameron, Beltre, et al.

              • bexarama says:

                it’s not even “his” team, it’s like, the As/Rockies/Rays/Mariners model, as others have said.

                If the team does great this year, it’ll probably be because they have a very good 1-2-3, better than most teams can afford.

                • JGS says:

                  $33.75M in 2010

                  Marlins Payroll: $39.2M
                  Rays Payroll: $69.7M

                  looks like the Marlins are the most efficient team in baseball

        • Steve H says:

          Yeah, and ironically enough, Cashman has bailed out Theo on some of his almost blunders. Theo wanted Contreras badly (the Evil Empire shit started then), preferred Javy to Schilling (though I wouldn’t call that a blunder for Cash, but it’s portrayed that way), and best of all, offered more money to Pavano than the Yankees did. If Cash wasn’t so damn ninja, Theo’s geniusness would have worn down a bit.

          • bexarama says:

            This is exactly it. Also, he picked up a couple of basically scrap heap guys that turned out to be way better than what anyone was expecting, so it made him look like a genius.

            I still think he’s a very good GM. Cashman is probably better, but he’s good.

        • Lifetime of Question Marks says:


          But the media constantly getting on their knees for him is truly unbearable. Reminds me of when the Pats dynasty-thing was going on and everything that belichick did was a stroke of genius. People even got all tingly from his damn wardrobe.

          Boston should only exist so movies can take place there.

    • Lifetime of Question Marks says:

      The whole article is kind of small sample sized. It would be like putting Jim Caldwell and Rex Ryan in the top three active NFL coaches just because they have only had good seasons. Obviously, the more time a GM is a GM the more likely he is going to make a mistake.

      And to call the Red Sox the most efficient team in baseball after saying the yankees pay 4x more per win than the Rays is idiotic. That means the Rsox pay 3x more per win the rays.

      But hey, efficient is a cool word to throw around.

  34. Mike Axisa says:

    Oh snap, Jets got Antonio Cromartie for a 3rd rounder.

  35. X says:

    anyone else just watch 96 WS? gives me the chills

  36. Aj says:

    I can’t believe the Mets got Kiko Calero. Now THAT was a good signing.

  37. bexarama says:

    I watched the 30 Clubs in 30 Days thing for the Yankees, and it was pretty good. They basically said that the Yankees are a great team and there were a bunch of interviews and stuff. They don’t go on about Casey Kelly, or Vazquez giving up a grand slam one time over five years ago, or whatever other BS you might expect on, say, ESPN. It’s worth watching.

    The only buh? thing was one of the guys, whose name I forget, saying there would be a one-game playoff with the Red Sox which the Yankees would lose for the AL East (but still win the WC). He totally only said that because the media drools over the prospect of a Yankees-Red Sox one-game playoff.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Yeah I saw that, problem is if the Yankees and Red Sox are tied for the division after 162 games but both teams would win the WC regardless there would not be a 1-game playoff to determine the division winner, the team with the better head-to-head record during the regular season would be the division winner.

      • BigBlueAL says:

        In fact I believe this happened in the 2005 season. The Yankees clinched the division on the 2nd to last day in the season after beating the Red Sox in Fenway and having a 1 game lead with 1 to play but clinching the head-to-head tiebreaker. The Red Sox beat the Yankees the next day to clinch the WC.

      • A.D. says:

        Yup, it would have to be a WC tie and AL east tie.

    • A.D. says:

      there would be a one-game playoff with the Red Sox which the Yankees would lose for the AL East (but still win the WC).

      So he’s predicting a tie for the AL East and the wildcard at the same time? That’s just unlikely

    • Lifetime of Question Marks says:

      Lets say the loser still gets the WC, is it worth it to throw CC out there if it means losing him until game 3 of the ALDS?

    • JGS says:

      if they finish tied and one team would take the division and the other the wild card, they don’t play a playoff, they just go based on head-to-head record (see: 2005)

    • Mike Axisa says:

      The only buh? thing was one of the guys, whose name I forget, saying there would be a one-game playoff with the Red Sox which the Yankees would lose for the AL East (but still win the WC).

      Good to see MLB’s own TV network can’t bother to check their facts. The only time there’s a one game playoff is when you have TWO teams tied for ONE playoff. This whole scenario in which the Yanks and Sox tie but the loser of a playoff game gets the WC doesn’t exist. They’ll make that decision based on head-to-head record and the other tie breakers.

      The only time there’s a playoff game is when one team will make the playoffs and the other won’t. It’s that simple.

      • bexarama says:

        That’s just kind of sad.

        Maybe I misunderstood what they were saying, and they meant that the Yankees would lose the division to the Sox on the last day of the season and then be tied with another team for the Wild Card?

        But their fake headline was “BUCKY WHO?” so I’m guessing they thought there was gonna be a Yankees-Sox one-game playoff.

        • ROBTEN says:

          In our 24-hour, media-saturated society, Yankees-Red Sox brings out a level of stupid in the MSM that is utterly Krukian: breathtaking in scope of idiotic pontificating and majestic in the depths of mindless and lazy prognosticating.

          It would be sublimely beautiful…if not for the stupid.

    • Maximilian Javier Rodriguez says:

      Yeah. MLB Network is entertaining. I also love the fact that they acknowledge that Javy was good if not great, their words, in his last stint in New York.

      I’ve been watching Hot Stove all offseason and the MLB Network guys just seem to love their jobs.

      • bexarama says:

        I actually like it a lot. Sure, it aggravates me sometimes, like when Harold Reynolds says he “doesn’t agree” with Ichiro’s OPS (IT’S A NUMBER!!! HOW CAN YOU DISAGREE WITH A NUMBER?!?!? You can disagree on how to interpret it or how valuable it is for a player like Ichiro. BUT YOU CAN’T DISAGREE WITH A FRIGGIN’ NUMBER!!!! Sorry, can you tell him saying that annoyed me?), but I generally think their analysis is um, well, let’s just say they’re better than ESPN at least pretty good and they’re fair. Some guys are homers, but there are so many homers of so many different teams that it’s fine.

        I definitely agree with the whole “they love their jobs” thing. They always seem like they’re just havin’ fun out there. /Favre’d It makes the network pretty entertaining to watch.

        • ROBTEN says:

          But have you ever tried to hold a conversation with Ichiro’s OPS? I mean, Reynold’s is right. You’d think that talking with a rational number would be a good time, but it’s just unbearable. In fact, I’ll just come out and say it, .378 is a contrarian asshole. I’ve had much better conversations with Pythagoras’ constant than Ichiro’s OPS, and that’s really saying something.

          /math humor; it’s fan-tastic!

    • bexarama says:

      Also, did anyone know CC’s wife was expecting again? Or was this widespread news and I’m just behind in the times? I’m a girl so this makes me all giddy.

  38. Lifetime of Question Marks says:

    I’m not sure if this kosher (obviously not in the literal blessed by a literal rabbi (not RABbi) sense), but does anyone know of a good NYG blog?

  39. BigBlueAL says:

    Finally got my Baseball Prospectus delivered today, nice writeup on the Yankees and how well they are being run again since Cashman has gotten full authority.

    Tomorrow I should get MLB the Show 10 delivered, got the email with the code for the bonus classic stadiums for pre-ordering the game today.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      I got the game Tuesday, but I just put the classic stadium code in today. Playing in the Polo Grounds is a trip. You see 449 to the gaps and just drool over the idea of poking one between the outfielders.

      • BigBlueAL says:

        You should drool with the dimensions down the lines, I believe they are less than 300 ft. Wish they had real old school Yankee Stadium and Ebbets Field though.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Yeah, 270 to left, 250 to right. I was playing the Angels, and Abreu hooked a ball that usually would have wound up veering off into foul territory, but it hit halfway up the wall and went for a double.

  40. Zack says:

    30 minutes til FA, anyone have any predictions where the UFA end up:

    Julius Peppers
    Karlos Dansby
    Antrel Rolle
    Dunta Robinson
    Aaron Kampman
    Darren Sharper

    I would say Redskins for all but that’s probably too easy.

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