Spring Training Game Thread: Twins vs. Yankees, in progress
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We were a little delayed in getting up the game thread this afternoon as Joe, Mike and I were enjoying lunch and didn’t realize YES had picked up today’s game. So we’ll join this ALDS rematch between the Yanks and Twins now in progress.
Phil Hughes, the fifth starter, is facing the Twins, and he had a rocky first inning. He allowed a pair of runs on two hits and a walk but still struck out two. While batting, Denard Span took out his mother with a foul ball, but she seemed to be okay. I don’t have the pitchers scheduled to follow Phil, but Hughes is set for a good long outing. This is his final tune-up of the spring, but the Yanks have not yet announced when he will start in April.
Jeter SS
Thames DH
Posada C
Rodriguez 3B
Swisher RF
Granderson CF
Gardner LF
Pena 2B
Miranda 1B
Hughes P
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Yeesh; everything’s getting hit hard today. Settle, Phil.
They confirmed that that was his mother?
They confirmed it was a family member, that much I heard.
Just confirmed it was his Mom & she’s OK.
“One thing fans may not know is that Justin Morneau wasn’t with the team the last month.” Uh who doesn’t know that? Ken Singleton & Tino is a booth of boringness
Better than the espn booth…
I figured as much, that’s why I’m watching YES
Who’s doing the ESPN commentary? If it’s only Bobby Valentine I can handle it but that’s not gonna happen.
Its my only choice since I live in Massachusetts
I see… I see, your future! It’s… a cab ride!
Move out of the sticks, fellas.
luuuurve that movie
If my answers frighten you, Vincent, you should cease asking scary questions.
Why does everyone whine about the broadcasting.
Just mute the tv then.
I think it’s fine, I just like complaining. It’s not Caray-level bad.
also I get weirded out when the TV is totally silent during baseball.
Not to be a dick, but that can be turned around:
“Why does everyone whine about people who whine about the broadcasting? Just ignore the comment then.”
Why are you complaining about people complaining about the broadcasters?
Just ignore the comment then.
CWIDT?
Dammit Andy. You stole my line!
GMTA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6UMtALvbJ0 (NSFW, profanity)
they have to bitch about something. they wouldnt be happy wiht vin scully in the booth
just walked into my house. what did Span do?
Fouled a pitch to the third base side and hit a family member in the face.
hit a foul ball that hit someone in the stands. Turns out it was a relative of his, apparently his mom
But since Span plays in a smaller market than NY his mom will never be as famous as Mrs. Olbermann.
Sad.
R.I.P.
Plus, Span’s no Chuck Knoblauch!
I laughed.
A nice little 32 pitch inning.
i still like what I saw from Hughes. I can see why the Yanks chose him over Joba this Spring (or last year).
Good life and movement on the fastball. Worked the cutter in nicely although a bit inconsistent, and didn’t really use the curve or change that much yet. So far so good in my opinion.
Actually, I was going to say that he looked almost exactly like Joba did at times last year. Get ahead of hitters with some nice stuff, then nibble and can’t put them away, give up some 2 strike hits, and overall look inconsistent. I love Hughes, but I’m expecting a very similar year from him that we saw from Joba last year. He will pitch VERY well in a few starts, he will get shelled in a few starts, and he will be inconsistent the rest of the time, making people wonder if he may be better off in the bullpen. Not saying that Joba would have definitely been a better choice, just saying this is pretty par for the course with young pitchers.
Plus, this is still Spring Training. He may be working on something that we’re unaware of.
45 minutes ago, I would completely agreed with you. But I am actually pretty excited after seeing his first two innings of work. I think he will have a better year than Joba had last year and that the Yanks did indeed make the correct decision for the 5th starter battle.
Maybe I am letting my “eyes” cloud my judgment, but I can’t help it. I was skeptical of the move before today, but after seeing Hughes for basically the first time for me, I am fully on board.
Being Joba’s teammate at UN should not be part of a scouting report.
“scouting reports” on TV have become rather silly and they don’t tell you anything about the pitcher. The other day Andy’s scouting report was like, how many games Mo has saved for him and how he’s third all time in pitcher wins as a Yankee.
Yea. It has turned into “fun facts” instead of an actual scouting report for almost every channel I have watched.
my favorite “scouting report” was Tom Glavine’s from the 1999 World Series: “a great competitor and friend” or something like that.
They’re like fortune cookies that contain statements rather than fortunes.
“Was Joba Chamberlain’s roommate . . in bed!!!“
My favorite YES scouting report is “needs to attack the hitter(or the zone).”
“He’d be less dangerous for hitters if he could consistently throw somewhere around the plate.”
To be fair, the YES booth uses that just as a broad title for sharing information on the pitchers for that day.
It’s actually “NU”.
(Yes, I know it doesn’t make sense. That’s the way all the midwestern Big XII universities do it, though. It’s dumb. Roll with it.)
We-e-e-l-l, we are talking about Mid-Westerners here…
They do everything backwards: http://www.urbandictionary.com.....ati+bowtie
(DEFINITELY NSFW)
(ducks)
The NSFW is profanity.
Did you guys expense the lunch?
Also: do you have an RAB credit card? AMEX black? Or is it the BoA Yankees credit card?
I actually have that card. (Not the Centurion, the BoA Yankees card.)
I do too. It’s a nice card.
/glove slap
3rd
We have a generic Chase business Visa card. Not too exciting.
Also: who manages the RAB petty cash? Because I need to get reimbursed for some TP that I picked up for my visit to Bo’s house last night.
“Because I need to get reimbursed for some TP that I picked up for my visit to Bo’s halfway house last night.”
Fixed.
We were a little delayed in getting up the game thread this afternoon as Joe, Mike and I were enjoying lunch.
You socialist bastards. Oh, sure, it’s awesome if you’re a party insider in a cushy Politburo spot, pushing papers and eating beluga, but what about the rest of us hardworking loyalists? Are we condemned to a life of serfdom, our revolutionary aims misdirected to feed the same elites rebranded as quasi-noble crusaders, co-opting our proud October spirit?
Eh, comrades?
F**king Nazis, nothing changes
http://tinyurl.com/yawxr9o (safe)
Where’s McBain when you need him? He’d stop all these Commun-Nazis.
MENDOZA!
Ramiro?? Where?
::confused::
And some wonder why the meme’s should be discarded. Sigh.
This ump is far too demonstrative. I never got that.
hahaha did anyone see that kid dancing on ESPN?
there’s a good inning for Phil
/holds breath
/shits pants
Sounds like a typical Wednesday at pat’s.
What just happened?
Seriously. Who just got almost hurt?
arod fouled a pitch of his ankle/shin
A-Rod fouled a ball off his foot/shin, he seems ok though
My life just flashed before my eyes for a minute there
Thanks Tino. Just in case you guys were not sure, fouling a ball off your foot or leg hurts.
I once heard a ball slows down as it gets to the plate.
NO! Really?
/McCarver’d
:: head explodes ::
/McCarver’d
Heh. Get More T & A, again!
Swisher’s eyeblack is epic today
http://i50.photobucket.com/alb.....Racist.gif
http://media.photobucket.com/i.....0.gif?o=17
That’s wrong on so many levels but still, that’s awesome!
Heh. They stepped it up a notch. Well played.
I hit my mom with a foul ball once. I also dented her car window and cracked a windshield.
Leave your sex life and hygiene out of this, please!
ducks
http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.sk.....d/foul.jpg (SFW)
Didn’t Matsui take out Artie Moreno’s windshield in ST?
Yep, after Arte Moreno almost ran him over with his car and apparently the entire Angels team got addicted to Matsui’s eyedrops. Weird things going on out there in Cali
Wow… there’s really nothing else to say to that but wow…
Obviously, Hideki’s been sharing his porn collection, and they’ve all been smoking a little Cali Skunkweed while watching.
That’s why the eyedrops.
Damn. Everyone’s missing my best lines today.
(Runs off before everyone can shout back “We saw them. They weren’t that funny. We were politely ignoring them.”)
Moreno almost his Matsui with his car
So we’ll join this ALDS rematch between the Yanks and Twins now in progress.
Does that make this a playoff review?
Granderson looked good on that swing against a lefty. Progress maybe?
why isn’t Curtis Granderson batting from the right side against a lefty???? (Fun fact, I just learned Miggy Cabrera’s NOT a switch-hitter. I could have sworn he was. I guess we all have a lil’ pistol pete in us.)
You only have a little, though, because you realized you were wrong when provided with appropriate proof and recanted from your idiocy.
Some guys are just such natural hitters you assume they could hit from the left, right or upside down if they had to.
I think this was pretty much it.
Maybe your mind is playing tricks on you, and I think I know why.
Fun Fact:
There are 5 position players currently playing in the big leagues with the last name Cabrera (Miguel, Melky, Orlando, Asdrubal, Everth).
Orlando and Miguel are righties. The other three? Switch hitters.
Your mind: BLOWN.
You post here 25x a day yet u dont know that Miggy isnt a switch hitter??
Really?
why don’t you sit the next couple plays out there, bub?
/ron burgundy + hank stamper’d
I read these boards constantly but dont comment as much…but you guys are right, Tino is brutal in the booth!
:proceeds to beat dead horse:
“What the hell is ‘ANSKY’?”
One of my favorites.
http://yankees.fandome.com/vid.....-is-ANSKY/
Yup.
That and the “Do the El Duque” commercial were classics.
hey Coney… why don’t you have a dance?
“Nice, right?”
hughes certainly settled in
Indeed. He’s a very talented young pitcher… this could be a big year for him.
what you think is reasonable in terms of numbers…14-10 4.25 ERA?
Sure. He’ll probably be a bit above that, just my hunch. It’ll be interesting to see if he hits a wall midseason like Joba did. Hughes hasn’t thrown much more than 100 innings in like 3 years now.
is there a plan to either limit innings in terms of basically 5 or 6 (at most) an outing regardless of how he is doing or to try and skip some turns if the goal is 160-180 innings?
No idea. I hope we’re not just doing another year of the 2009 Joba Non-Plan.
I’d say let him throw every day (with no hijinks) until he’s near his limit, then just move him to the bullpen or shut him down. Hopefully his limit gets us to September, when Mitre and the kids (Nova, Hirsh, Z-Mac) can come up and fill in his starts.
i agree. he will have some clunkers and some 7+ starts. if he averages 6 a start 30 starts with the occassional skip early (off days) gets him up around 180 and into september.
Something tells me that will not happen. 100 pitches will probably be his limit during games and they may skip him when they can, but I really doubt they pull a Joba with him this year. If the Yanks didn’t learn from that mistake, something is wrong.
Toronto got four runs off of Halladay in the first inning. Clearly they are better off without him!!!!!
Sincerely,
Ian O’Connor
Miranda with the sweet looking swing.
And good base-running, not getting forced there.
nyrangers wanted to see a championship caliber team.
Swish!!! Classic Swisher play. That is the second time I have seen him spill over the right field fence in Spring Training this year. Gotta love the hustle, I guess.
Brock Peterson. That there’s a man’s name.
http://www.cracked.com/article.....world.html
http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....o-will-win (safe)
Dumbest line #1. “It is nearly impossible to win the Series two years in a row, simply because teams have that “World Series hangover” and they don’t seem as hungry.”
~I forgot that once you win a WS you usually don’t want to win it again.
Dumbest line #2. “I think that the Rays just do not have the bankroll to compete with the Yanks and Sox so they will struggle to win games day in and day out.”
~Some one forgot to tell me that baseball is played with $ and not with talent.
Dude you forgot all those games when we were beating the Rays and then we threw dollar bills at them and they were like “Oh sh-t we can’t beat this” and gave up
also re: the first point, well, I know I can’t think of a time when the Yankees ever repeated as champions. Especially relatively recently. And we all know the 2008 champions had an awful year.
Oh yeah! My bad!
/pours self a glass of Pinstripe DFA IPA
Actually, I bet all the Rays players start give up around the 7th inning of home games so they can pregame for the after party at Club Trop!
It’s great to see a breakdown of baseball based almost entirely on intangible factors. Because hunger is certainly the key factor in reaching and winning two consecutive World Series.
Because hunger is certainly the key factor in reaching and winning two consecutive World Series.
It worked for John Kruk.
to be fair, he doesn’t talk about JUST intangibles in the article. It’s still a bad article (the Red Sox have the best pitching staff AND the best outfield in baseball! But their offense! They don’t have anyone that hit 30 HRs last year oh my God doomed!!!!).
Andy Pettitte is a very solid fourth starter but he is also getting old and very injury-prone,
Okay I have to defend my boy here and everything. He’s old. But how is he *very* injury-prone?
No, no, you misremembered.
He didn’t say Andy is very injury prone. He said he’s getting very injury prone.
Amphiboly FTW.
I’m not sure if I should be vaguely insulted by this or if you were trying to insult him. I can’t see anyone on Bleacher Report being purposefully tricky with their grammar/sentence structure; it’s Bleacher Report…
Insulting him, not you.
Don’t worry, Bexy. I’d only degrade you in our sex games, not in regular life.
Thanks, baby.
(goes to get the gag)
(goes to get the firehose from Riddering)
Don’t bother, it’s already here.
Bleacher Report is even more of a joke than the joke site Bugs and Cranks.
I wholeheartedly agree. It’s the last place I’d go for a breakdown but I was bored as hell at work and thought I’d give it a look.
read the “fifty bold predictions” article. I have facepalmed several times. NELSON CRUZ SHALL AVENGE HIS HOME RUN DERBY LOSS!!!
The Braves’ 2010 season takes a hard, and noble, right-hand turn when Derek Lowe suffers a season-ending injury, but what happens next is the real tearjerker.
In light of Bobby Cox trying for one last run, Smoltzy abandons the broadcasting gig and Glavine says “sayonara” to retirement to join the good fight for Cox.
Shell-shocked by the decisions of the one-time greats, Tommy Hanson get a sudden torrent of sheer inspiration and goes on to pitch lights out for the remainder of the season.
WTF this is like a movie
That sounds like Ken Rosenthal’s long-gone Sucka Got No Juice piece.
I must have missed that one. I got caught up reading the “Hot Spanish Chicks Mud Wrestling In Bikinis Needs To Become An Official Sport… Now! article.
Mariano pitched over 100 innings in 1996. With the starting pitching staff the 1996 Yankees had, they needed that. He was way more important than a “(seventh and) eighth inning guy.” I love Mo, but I semi-blame him for the overratedness of the setup guy because of a general misconception of what he did in 1996. (gets hit by lightning)
Something tells me you will regret Mo when hes gone. The stat geeks here dont fully appreciate how good he is and how important a pen is to a team.
Thanks for assuming stuff about me that ain’t true. Mariano is tied for my favorite Yankee and I utterly adore him. I will absolutely cry when he retires. I also recognize he’s the best ever at his job, and watching him pitch has been a real joy and privilege all these years.
Of course, bullpens are important to a team. No one is denying that. I think people recognize, however, that starting pitching is far more important.
Fun Fact (repeated):
From 2002-2009, Mariano Rivera’s cumulative WAR is 19.4.
Jon Garland’s is 21.7.
Or, if you prefer a Yankee-centric version, Mike Mussina’s 2002-2008 WAR is 31.1.
Why Joba is in the bullpen:
Because Hughes has more potential as a starter
Because this is what’s best for the Yankees in 2010
Because it’s the New York Yankees not the New York Jobas, “unfortunately” we are shelling out 200Million a year to win this year. Giving the bullpen role to Joba helps us reach our goal.
He had a chance to prove himself last season
A mediocre starter is easier to replace than a 2.00 ERA reliever.
Was the “chance to prove himself” truly legitimate though? What with the innings limits and jerking him around with days off and such?
Of course it wasn’t by other team standards, but it was enough for the FO and Brian Cashman to make their decision.
We can’t jeopardize a couple of wins on the hope that Joba will become a good starter, because this is the AL east, 2 or 3 games could be the difference between making the postseason.
We can’t jeopardize a couple of wins on the hope that Joba will become a good starter, because this is the AL east, 2 or 3 games could be the difference between making the postseason.
That’s not what we’d be doing, though, if we leave Joba (or Hughes, had it been he who lost the competition) in Scranton to start the year. We wouldn’t be “jeopardizing a couple of wins”, we would have been preserving our starting pitching depth with the foresight and wisdom that we’d need it later… like we did last year, when Phil Hughes was the 6th starter in Scranton to open the season.
But we’d be losing the production out of the bullpen that the loser would have contributed
Yes, but that production is A.) smaller than the production of the 6th starter and B.) more easily replaced/replicated by the in-house options we have for the 8th inning (namely, Robertson/Aceves/Park/Marte).
Hughes had a 2.00 era from the pen?
It all makes sense now! Thanks!
/O:S’d
I was thinking of O:S‘ing this myself.
O:S?
Outstanding shares?
Fill me in
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It means Operation: SHUTDOWN. It’s our way of ignoring the serially insane.
Which you have not demonstrated that you are… yet.
A mediocre starter is
easier to replacemore valuable than a 2.00 ERA reliever.FTFY
I think the decision was more about Phil Hughes than Joba. I think the Yanks trust Hughes more and think he will be a better starting pitcher. There was only one spot open and Hughes was the pick.
That is why there is no definitive plan for Joba. The decision was not about him as much as it was about Hughes.
Yup. Joba has such little potential that with 88 minor league innings he couldn’t do what pitchers with 200-700 minor league innings do once they hit the majors.
Sure, I’ll play.
Because Hughes has more potential as a starter
That’s not the only thing that should be considered in this decisionmaking process, though. Hughes may have more potential as a starter (I agree with you in that regard), but they both have ace potential and both should be developed as starters.
Because this is what’s best for the Yankees in 2010
Disagreed wholeheartedly. The 2010 Yankees already have several pitchers who can pitch the 8th inning exceedingly well (albeit not as well as Joba at his best, which we still don’t even know if we have, mind you.) The 2010 Yankees, meanwhile, don’t have many pitchers who can be the 6th starter, and the 6th starter, even starting the year in Scranton, is a near lock to pitch more innings than the 8th inning guy and is a near lock to have a greater impact on the 2010 Yankees record than the 8th inning guy. The positive difference between Joba the 6th starter and Mitre/Aceves the 6th starter is much larger than the difference between Joba the 8th inning guy and Marte/Robertson/Aceves/Park the 8th inning guy.
Because it’s the New York Yankees not the New York Jobas, “unfortunately” we are shelling out 200Million a year to win this year. Giving the bullpen role to Joba helps us reach our goal.
Joba becoming a solid starting pitcher, both now and next year, helps us way more than Joba becoming a dynamite reliever, both now and next year. Joba’s development as a starter inherently helps the Yankees win titles, far more than his development as a reliever. We’re already developing several relievers. Joba the starter gives both this year’s team and next year’s team a tremendous strategic advantange in a way that Joba the reliever simply does not.
He had a chance to prove himself last season
Giving young pitchers only one year to prove themselves is batshit insane. No two ways about it. Impatient organizations are losing organizations.
A mediocre starter is easier to replace than a 2.00 ERA reliever.
The overwhelming majority of baseball research disagrees with you.
That’s not the only thing that should be considered in this decisionmaking process, though. Hughes may have more potential as a starter (I agree with you in that regard), but they both have ace potential and both should be developed as starters.
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Why do you think Joba has ace potential? more than likely his cap is as a 3rd starter.
Disagreed wholeheartedly. The 2010 Yankees already have several pitchers who can pitch the 8th inning exceedingly well (albeit not as well as Joba at his best, which we still don’t even know if we have, mind you.) The 2010 Yankees, meanwhile, don’t have many pitchers who can be the 6th starter, and the 6th starter, even starting the year in Scranton, is a near lock to pitch more innings than the 8th inning guy and is a near lock to have a greater impact on the 2010 Yankees record than the 8th inning guy. The positive difference between Joba the 6th starter and Mitre/Aceves the 6th starter is much larger than the difference between Joba the 8th inning guy and Marte/Robertson/Aceves/Park the 8th inning guy.
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You can’t say that no Joba is better than Joba in the 8th. Like i said, it is what’s best for the Yankees this year. There was one spot open, why not give it to the best man?
Joba becoming a solid starting pitcher, both now and next year, helps us way more than Joba becoming a dynamite reliever, both now and next year. Joba’s development as a starter inherently helps the Yankees win titles, far more than his development as a reliever. We’re already developing several relievers. Joba the starter gives both this year’s team and next year’s team a tremendous strategic advantange in a way that Joba the reliever simply does not.
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I agree, but what’s more likely to happen? Joba becoming a great pitcher or Joba becoming a dynamite reliever? Why not take the safer route (reliever).
Giving young pitchers only one year to prove themselves is batshit insane. No two ways about it. Impatient organizations are losing organizations.
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I wouldn’t say the Yankees are impatient all the time, but they are not as willing to give prospects the same opportunities/time as other organizations would, and we are obviously not a losing organization.
The overwhelming majority of baseball research disagrees with you.
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SERIOUSLY, will a end of the rotation pitcher pull more than a stud reliever in the FA Market!?!
Why do you think Joba has ace potential? more than likely his cap is as a 3rd starter.
But again, 3rd starters are more important and more integral to a team’s success than stud relievers. Even if Joba’s not an ace and just a good starter, that’s more important to the Yankees team (both now and in future years) than Joba the stud reliever.
You can’t say that no Joba is better than Joba in the 8th. Like i said, it is what’s best for the Yankees this year. There was one spot open, why not give it to the best man?
Because the 6th starter job is more important than the 8th inning job, and Joba’s the best player for both of them. Since he’s the best player for both, he should go in the spot that’s more important where he can help us win more. That’s the 6th starter job.
I agree, but what’s more likely to happen? Joba becoming a great pitcher or Joba becoming a dynamite reliever?
Not the point. It’s always more likely that ANY pitching prospect becomes a dynamite reliever than a great starter, because the dynamite reliever job is easier than the great starter job. It’s easier for me to be a great McDonald’s employee than a great U.S. Senator, but one job is much more important than the other and if I have the potential to be a good U.S. Senator, it’s best for EVERYONE that I attempt to be a good U.S. Senator.
Why not take the safer route (reliever).
The safest route is not reliever. The safest route is Joba the 6th starter. The best team possible has a quality 6th starter (Joba) and a solid 8th inning option (Marte/Robertson/Aceves/Park). A team that has Joba in the 8th but Mitre/Aceves in the 6th starter spot is a weaker, more inferior, less balanced team. The upgrade from Marte/Aceves/Robertson/Park to Joba is not worth the downgrade from Joba to Mitre/Aceves.
I wouldn’t say the Yankees are impatient all the time, but they are not as willing to give prospects the same opportunities/time as other organizations would, and we are obviously not a losing organization.
And yet, our longest stretches of NOT winning the World Series have come during the periods of the greatest organizational impatience. When we’ve shown patience with our prospects and developed them, we’ve built cores of excellent players that enabled us have our best teams possible. No, we’re not always an impatient organization, but our periods of patience have been rewarded far more than our impatience has.
SERIOUSLY, will a end of the rotation pitcher pull more than a stud reliever in the FA Market!?!
Yes. Starting pitchers, even middling ones, get paid on par with or better than relievers, even elite ones. Go look at the free agent market and you’ll see it’s true.
4th starters >>>>>> closers
Fine, you win. I agree with you, but if Joba the starter really is more valuable than Joba the reliever we’ll never know, well not this year. And so there is no way of knowing whether Joba would have even been a good backend starter consistently.
AND/ALSO Here’s a curveball for you:
Joba, the hard throwing fire breathing phenom as an 8th inning pitcher could actually be more valuable to the Yankees from a business stand point. Think about it, the shirts, the commercials, the jerseys and the publicity…
You are more likely to become a star or a popular player being the
AMAZING” 8th inning guy than a 5th or 4th starter, and in revenue, that return can be greater than what Joba may contribute as a starter. Just saying.
Sure, but these aren’t the relevant arguments we’ve been discussing. You’re moving the goalposts here.
heh…tommie did you let this slide:
more than likely his cap is as a 3rd starter.
because once he admitted that, all you needed to say was:
3rd starter>>>>>>8th inning
The one disconnect between what you are saying and what Tommie is saying is about Joba’s value for this season.
Tommie predicts Joba would get at least 60-70 innings as the 6th starter and there is chance the 6th starter may have to pitch many more innings than that. If Joba does not pitch those innings, they will go to a far inferior pitcher like Sergio Mitre. The downgrade from Joba to Mitre is very large.
As a reliever, Joba almost certainly will pitch no more than 70 innings anyway, and if Joba does not pitch those innings, they would be replaced by Chan Ho, Robertson, Aceves and Marte, all guys who are excellent relievers and would put up similar numbers to Joba. Thus the downgrade is not that large, if a downgrade at all.
I don’t know if I agree with Tommie, but he puts forth and interesting argument for why Joba to the minors as sixth starter will actually have more value to the 2010 squad . Not even taking into account the benefits for 2011 and beyond.
That’s an excellent restatement of what I’m saying.
Thank you.
Also, it’s hard to do with Hughes, since he was moved to the bullpen midseason, but Hughes pitched 86 innings in the bigs last year despite starting the season in Scranton’s rotation. Also, consider our AL East rivals.
In Boston, Clay Buchholz was either the 6th or 7th starter (depending on who you believe) and opened the 2009 season in Pawtucket. He pitched 92 innings in the bigs last year and put up a 1.2 WAR.
David Price was Tampa Bay’s 6th starter and opened the 2009 season in Durham. He pitched 128 innings and put up a 1.6 WAR.
I think that people are not only overvaluing 8th inning relievers and closers, but also undervaluing 6th starters. 6th starters pitch a huge chunk of a team’s innings every year.
I think I am on board with Joba to the minors at this point. As long as the bullpen gets the job done, there are too many positives to using Joba as the 6th starter. If a need in the bullpen becomes so apparent, the Yanks can reevaluate where Joba would be more valuable. And it is much easier to go from starter to reliever than the other way around.
“6th starters pitch a huge chunk of a team’s innings every year.”
Excellent point. Also a follow up to that, I believe the Rockies were the only team last year to get almost every start out of just 5 starters. I could be wrong and if I am feel free to correct me.
Ubaldo- 33
Marquis- 33
De La Rosa- 32
Hammel- 30
Cook- 27
And even they still needed 7 starts from somebody else.
http://www.baseball-reference......2009.shtml
http://mystiqueandaura.com/201.....a-problem/
all for you, RT
I still dont comprehend the people that care more about developing young pitching than winning titles.
And also the little fact that the Yankee FO who may know a thing or two think hes better off as a reliever.
But hey Im sure casual fans like most of you guys know better
The downgrade from Joba to Mitre is very large.
that’s because every time someone has explained themselves to you, you ignore them. It’s very hard to understand outside opinions if you’re completely disregarding them.
Because if the Yankees can get 3-4 starter from Hughes and joba they can then save millions of dollars from pettite and vasquez to spend elsewhere. Maybe invest that money for a real left fielder? Plus starting pitching is you know the most important component to a sustainable run of championships.
Miranda, looking like a complete ballplayer today!
Yea, I agree completely. There has to be a spot for him somewhere in the Major Leagues. I would rather have him on the roster than Marcus Thames, although there roles are obviously completely different.
*their. That typo just particularly bothers me more than others.
I was actually snarking there. Miranda has looked pretty bad everywhere but at the plate this pre-season, before today.
I think Miranda will be the first call-up should Nick Johnson hit the D.L., though.
I have only seen him play today and he seems pretty solid to me.
He’s been a butcher in the field until today.
If Miranda could be bad in LF, he’d have the spot over Thames.
Unfortunately, he can’t even be bad in LF. He’d be a traveshamockery in LF. He’d make Adam Dunn look like Roberto Clemente.
He’d make Adam Dunn look like Roberto Clemente.
Puerto Rican?
Bingo.
Yup. See my comment ⇑.
Actually, I’d say it’s the side of the plate that Miranda hits from, rather than any inability to play a credible LF, that favors Thames. Thames is on the club to hit LHP, Miranda’s never going to be the guy kept around to do that.
Sure, that too.
Hey, did your test from yesterday work?
It’s the Communist upbringing.
He may as well show it here because if hes playing in the Bronx we’re in trouble.
HEY, BO’S HERE!!!
Awesome. Did you bring the Bud Light?
Ooh, my vewwy fiwst Bo-reply!
And it’s…an hour-and-a-half late, and adds nothing to the conversation.
What a surprise!
A-Rod with the opposite field bomb. Looking forward to a completely healthy year from him this year.
Yay-Rod.
What a freak!
stat padding as usual
heh, Swish being Swish.
thames makes that play.
The wind hates Phil Hughes.
I don’t think that was the wind, the flags aren’t exactly whipping.
It seemed like Gardner implied the sun messed him up.
I don’t know how many people got to see this the other night, but it’s awesome getting to know a diety.
http://davidblouin.hi5.com/fri.....#8211;html
tengo la bbbbbbb k ase feliz a tu nariz
It totally makes sense. Stupid American.
Gardner totally whiffed on that. Woopsies.
Girardi seems more comfortable this year than he has in the previous two Spring Trainings. I guess a World Series ring will do that for you. I think the calmer demeanor is an improvement. Good to see the players are not the only ones looking to improve on this team.
Eh, I think his demeanor has been pretty consistent.
shhhhhhhh
Just my observations and memory from the past two years was that he always came off a bit uptight and super serious rather than the Torre-like calm.
This year he just seems more calm and comfortable to me, But I could just be imagining that, you may be right.
Girardi isn’t more comfortable, he’s just “full” from winning the world series last year and not as “hungry” this year…
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-818605
ugghhh Boone Logan is suuuuch a lefty
ietcvm
Ugh. I pray Gardner’s bunt attempts are rare in the regular season.
I dunno, the slower the ball gets to the infielders the better imo. Granted, I don’t have much faith in his hitting ability.
He let too many good pitches go last season; any value he can add this year will come from making contact on balls in the zone, rather than letting them go or bunting them for easy outs.
I know I’m in the minority, but I’m going to miss Melky this year.
+1
Saul: I fuckin love you, dawg. I fuckin love you.
Red: I wanna be inside you holmes.
Meh. Randy Winn should at least replicate Melky.
/throws moldy tomato at Matt
I pray any and all yankee bunt attempts are rare in the regular season.
IMO, there are four prerequisites to being asked to bunt:
1. Your team is either tied or a run down in the 8th or 9th inning, there are no outs, and you have a runner on first but nobody on 2nd or 3rd
2. You are a terrific bunter
3. You are a terrible hitter
4. The next several hitters after you in the order are all terrific hitters
If he cant bunt this yr he wont be playing much.
I cant see any pitcher walking him and not challenging him every at bat.
Marcus Thames is waking up.
Daddy likes.
Was he sleeping on the bench?
Ugh. Thinking Miranda, writing Thames.
(DFA’s self)
It’s bitter, yet potent.
My boy Miranda comes through again, ha. He is my new favorite underdog to do well in the Majors this year.
Now THAT is what Miranda has always been able to do. Nice hit.
I can’t get over how many of our backups/reserves would be starting if they were on the other NY team.
No, they’d be on the D.L.
Too soon?
That Chuck Norris commercial was brutal.
Brutal.
Can someone please get Tino some Afrin?
haha, I was going to say, how tall is that guy, 5’6″? 5’3 is pretty damn short!
A 5’3” ballplayer. He is obviously the grittiest player of all time. Imagine the pounds and pounds of dirt he must accumulate on his jersey every game. Unfathomable.
Pretty easy to get dirt on you when you’re barely above the ground.
Freakin’ weird delivery. Starts out underhand, then finishes more ¾.
what the hell was that angle on YES right there
Wow … did the Twins batboy just hit?
Do the Twins have a midget on their team?
This guy is short as hell too.
OMG he’s *so*tiny* (disclaimer, I say this as a 4’11″ person)
4’11″??!!111!1!
Do you have little wings, too?
And wear a little tiara?
hah
Well… my best friend makes fun of my “midget hands” a lot
I always tell my girlfriend that her mother must have bound her feet, Chinese-style, as a child, because they’re so small!
“You see, I have these tiny hands.”
Don’t worry, height is not a measurement guys really pay attention to all that much… Amirite guys, amirite?!
Are you implying we look at…width…in specific places? Like, at specific heights?
CWIDT?
Width works… I was thinking “fullness” or even “volume” if you will.
I’m picking up on what you’re putting down, Sir.
I get your drift.
I’m trying real hard not to laugh at that helmet.
Real hard.
lol at the 5’3 guy with the big helmet
Still half a foot taller than Pedroia.
Where’s Eddie Gaedel when you need him?
He dunked on Perdoia last week.
Or Pedroia
I just almost spat my water all over my laptop!
Haha, wonderful.
ESPN just showed a graphic that had Clay Condrey as one of our relievers
safe.
Gorecki did say he loves to get his jersey dirty.
That call was BLOWN. Ump must have a hot date.
I’ve heard “Blooming Onions” usually aren’t very hot.
When I read this fast, I read it as a ‘Bloomberg Onion’. I threw up in my mouth a little.
“Tony Slama” is a plus-plus name.
AND THEN HE JUST GOT SLAMA’D!!!!!
Have a day!
Miranda, making his case!
Odds he gets the triple to complete the cycle?
(smirk)
It must be the #53. First Abreu, then Melky, now Juan.
How did I know you’d manage to bring up the Melk Man somehow when I made that comment?
Weber continues to crush the ball this Spring, even if that didn’t drop.
“Just one more, Ken Singleton, please!”
Did anyone else hear that? WTF was that?
Was that the girly voice? Yeah, WTF??
Ken Singleton = Black Dynamite
http://media.photobucket.com/i.....0.gif?o=17
Yea. Ken is probably signing shit during the game and the girl got greedy, ha
you could obviously go down a sexually suggestive path here, but I thought I would keep it family friendly.
Now that’s more like the leather Miranda has been…flashing? this Spring.
Did anyone else just hear a lady’s voice say “Just one more Ken Singleton, please…(pause)… oh, no.” during the top of the ninth?
What’s going on in the yes booth?
⇑
What’s going on in the YES booth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znuwO-bl034 (NSFW-profanity)
How’d they fit a mattress in there?
::confused::
Singleton is so experienced he doesn’t even need a mattress anymore to generate that sound.
That’s not a mattress… Singleton just makes the floor make that noise.
It’s his bones & joints creaking!
I thought only the Twins and Angels had fundamentals and the Yankees just threw money on the field.
Yep. Just look at how fundamentally-sound the Twins and Angels were vs. the Yanks in the playoffs last…
Wait…what?
the Twins: just a bunch of baseball players.
/Gardenhire’d
/Darling’d
/Pettitte’d
hmmm first to make the obvious joke here gets a cracker
you mean…
“Darling, pet it”??
eh, it was along those lines. Here’s a cracker anyway.
Thanks!
crunch, crunch
Do I need to get the firehose again?
BABY, PLEASE, I AM NOT FROM HAVANA!!!
Another lame movie quote, Eric?
/Bo’d
Actually, the Yankees don’t care about defense.
I now have two weapons…
“drfat”
and…
“midget hands”!
You’d better keep behaving!
The Angels lead the league in intangibles.
-Buster Olney
(dead serious)
:: facepalm ::
Really? Really, Buster?
wait WHAT
Where’s the link to that?
(Yo Tino. It ain’t 2005. No one’s really scared of David Ortiz any more.)
(Yo Tino. It ain’t 2005. No one’s really scared of David Ortiz any more.)
Except for the real killers, of course.
It’s in ESPN the Magazine’s baseball preview.
Buster Olney Says:The Machine can process only hard numbers; it doesn’t account for team intangibles. And under Mike Scioscia, the Angels lead the league in intangibles.
Behind the insider wall, but that’s it.
Ugh.
“Hey, you know those unquantifiable things that can’t be quantified? Well, the Angels have more of them than everyone else.”
Sincerely,
Somebody who doesn’t understand what the word “unquantifiable” means
Again, I say:
Angel intangibles:
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-818602
Ugh.
“Hey, you know those unquantifiable things that can’t be quantified and people make them up to prove their point knowing they can’t be disproved because they are unquantifiable, like “game calling”, “grit” and “it”? Well, the Angels have more of them than everyone else.”
Sincerely,
Somebody who doesn’t understand what the word “unquantifiable” means
You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
/Inigo Montoya’d
oh dear.
What does he say about the Yankees? Or is it just an article about Scioscia’s awesomeness and intangibles and blah blah?
Truthfully I didn’t read anything else. I had it flipped open to check off the teams I was doing previews on over at M&A* and saw the word intangibles, so I had to look. ESPN the Magazine is less readable than Cat Fancy. I only have it for the free Insider subscription.
*shameless plug
Just as a note, the M&A Terriost Threat Advisory Level is still Red.
http://mystiqueandaura.com/wp-.....03/RED.jpg
(shameless re-plug)
You mean like these?:
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-818602
Angel intangibles, that is.
Carlos Gomez had very sound fundamentals.
Oooh, it’s the Killer G’s: Gonzalez, Gardner, Gorecki.
We got this shit in the bag, fellas. Prepare the pie.
Edwar’s high-sockin’. Well done, young man.
Here comes the high-socker…Word up!
(confused)
Oh, wait. I think you mean:
Here comes the high-socker…
Word upMurderer!Well, that’s what I get for trying to quote the “young peoples’” music…
(dodders off for a nap)
That’s the last time I trust my girlfriend’s interpretation of lyrics.
She used to sing around the house: “…word Up. I’m a lyrical dancer, word up.”
Now that I see the actual lyrics, it’s laughable!
I think it’s also “lyrical gangster.”
Yes, s’what I meant, that’s why her interpretation of the lyrics is laughable!
You know it’s ST when: the Yankees don’t mount an epic 9th inning comeback against the Twins
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-818802
Heh.
Francesa:
“[the Phils] have as good a team as the Yankees.”
They’re good, and they’re close, but I dispute that their rotation compares to the Yanks’ at all, after #1.
moreover, Jeter/NJ/Tex/A-Rod/Cano/Jorge/Grandy/Swish/Gardner >>> Rollins/Polanco/Utley/Howard/Werth/Ibanez/Ruiz/Pitcher/Victorino
Don’t get me wrong, they’ve got a nice lineup. But it ain’t the yanks’