Mar
31

Spring Training Game Thread: Twins vs. Yankees, in progress

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We were a little delayed in getting up the game thread this afternoon as Joe, Mike and I were enjoying lunch and didn’t realize YES had picked up today’s game. So we’ll join this ALDS rematch between the Yanks and Twins now in progress.

Phil Hughes, the fifth starter, is facing the Twins, and he had a rocky first inning. He allowed a pair of runs on two hits and a walk but still struck out two. While batting, Denard Span took out his mother with a foul ball, but she seemed to be okay. I don’t have the pitchers scheduled to follow Phil, but Hughes is set for a good long outing. This is his final tune-up of the spring, but the Yanks have not yet announced when he will start in April.

Jeter SS
Thames DH
Posada C
Rodriguez 3B
Swisher RF
Granderson CF
Gardner LF
Pena 2B
Miranda 1B

Hughes P

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324 Comments»

  1. Yeesh; everything’s getting hit hard today. Settle, Phil.

  2. ultimate913 says:

    They confirmed that that was his mother?

  3. bexarama says:

    “One thing fans may not know is that Justin Morneau wasn’t with the team the last month.” Uh who doesn’t know that? Ken Singleton & Tino is a booth of boringness

  4. Alex S says:

    just walked into my house. what did Span do?

  5. Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

    A nice little 32 pitch inning.

  6. Mike HC says:

    i still like what I saw from Hughes. I can see why the Yanks chose him over Joba this Spring (or last year).

    Good life and movement on the fastball. Worked the cutter in nicely although a bit inconsistent, and didn’t really use the curve or change that much yet. So far so good in my opinion.

    • gc says:

      Actually, I was going to say that he looked almost exactly like Joba did at times last year. Get ahead of hitters with some nice stuff, then nibble and can’t put them away, give up some 2 strike hits, and overall look inconsistent. I love Hughes, but I’m expecting a very similar year from him that we saw from Joba last year. He will pitch VERY well in a few starts, he will get shelled in a few starts, and he will be inconsistent the rest of the time, making people wonder if he may be better off in the bullpen. Not saying that Joba would have definitely been a better choice, just saying this is pretty par for the course with young pitchers.

      • Plus, this is still Spring Training. He may be working on something that we’re unaware of.

      • Mike HC says:

        45 minutes ago, I would completely agreed with you. But I am actually pretty excited after seeing his first two innings of work. I think he will have a better year than Joba had last year and that the Yanks did indeed make the correct decision for the 5th starter battle.

        Maybe I am letting my “eyes” cloud my judgment, but I can’t help it. I was skeptical of the move before today, but after seeing Hughes for basically the first time for me, I am fully on board.

  7. Being Joba’s teammate at UN should not be part of a scouting report.

  8. We were a little delayed in getting up the game thread this afternoon as Joe, Mike and I were enjoying lunch.

    You socialist bastards. Oh, sure, it’s awesome if you’re a party insider in a cushy Politburo spot, pushing papers and eating beluga, but what about the rest of us hardworking loyalists? Are we condemned to a life of serfdom, our revolutionary aims misdirected to feed the same elites rebranded as quasi-noble crusaders, co-opting our proud October spirit?

    Eh, comrades?

  9. Drew says:

    This ump is far too demonstrative. I never got that.

  10. Alex S says:

    hahaha did anyone see that kid dancing on ESPN?

  11. mikebk says:

    there’s a good inning for Phil

  12. bexarama says:

    My life just flashed before my eyes for a minute there

  13. Mike HC says:

    Thanks Tino. Just in case you guys were not sure, fouling a ball off your foot or leg hurts.

  14. bexarama says:

    Swisher’s eyeblack is epic today

  15. Manimal says:

    I hit my mom with a foul ball once. I also dented her car window and cracked a windshield.

  16. Jack says:

    So we’ll join this ALDS rematch between the Yanks and Twins now in progress.

    Does that make this a playoff review?

  17. Mike HC says:

    Granderson looked good on that swing against a lefty. Progress maybe?

  18. bexarama says:

    why isn’t Curtis Granderson batting from the right side against a lefty???? (Fun fact, I just learned Miggy Cabrera’s NOT a switch-hitter. I could have sworn he was. I guess we all have a lil’ pistol pete in us.)

  19. Ansky says:

    I read these boards constantly but dont comment as much…but you guys are right, Tino is brutal in the booth!

    :proceeds to beat dead horse:

  20. mikebk says:

    hughes certainly settled in

  21. bexarama says:

    Toronto got four runs off of Halladay in the first inning. Clearly they are better off without him!!!!!

  22. Mike HC says:

    Miranda with the sweet looking swing.

  23. mikebk says:

    nyrangers wanted to see a championship caliber team.

  24. Mike HC says:

    Swish!!! Classic Swisher play. That is the second time I have seen him spill over the right field fence in Spring Training this year. Gotta love the hustle, I guess.

  25. Nigel Bangs says:

    Brock Peterson. That there’s a man’s name.

  26. Tampa Yankee says:

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....o-will-win (safe)

    Dumbest line #1. “It is nearly impossible to win the Series two years in a row, simply because teams have that “World Series hangover” and they don’t seem as hungry.”
    ~I forgot that once you win a WS you usually don’t want to win it again.

    Dumbest line #2. “I think that the Rays just do not have the bankroll to compete with the Yanks and Sox so they will struggle to win games day in and day out.”
    ~Some one forgot to tell me that baseball is played with $ and not with talent.

  27. bexarama says:

    Mariano pitched over 100 innings in 1996. With the starting pitching staff the 1996 Yankees had, they needed that. He was way more important than a “(seventh and) eighth inning guy.” I love Mo, but I semi-blame him for the overratedness of the setup guy because of a general misconception of what he did in 1996. (gets hit by lightning)

    • Bo says:

      Something tells me you will regret Mo when hes gone. The stat geeks here dont fully appreciate how good he is and how important a pen is to a team.

      • bexarama says:

        Thanks for assuming stuff about me that ain’t true. Mariano is tied for my favorite Yankee and I utterly adore him. I will absolutely cry when he retires. I also recognize he’s the best ever at his job, and watching him pitch has been a real joy and privilege all these years.

        Of course, bullpens are important to a team. No one is denying that. I think people recognize, however, that starting pitching is far more important.

  28. Rogue Trader says:

    Why Joba is in the bullpen:

    Because Hughes has more potential as a starter

    Because this is what’s best for the Yankees in 2010

    Because it’s the New York Yankees not the New York Jobas, “unfortunately” we are shelling out 200Million a year to win this year. Giving the bullpen role to Joba helps us reach our goal.

    He had a chance to prove himself last season

    A mediocre starter is easier to replace than a 2.00 ERA reliever.

    • Ansky says:

      Was the “chance to prove himself” truly legitimate though? What with the innings limits and jerking him around with days off and such?

      • Rogue Trader says:

        Of course it wasn’t by other team standards, but it was enough for the FO and Brian Cashman to make their decision.

        We can’t jeopardize a couple of wins on the hope that Joba will become a good starter, because this is the AL east, 2 or 3 games could be the difference between making the postseason.

        • We can’t jeopardize a couple of wins on the hope that Joba will become a good starter, because this is the AL east, 2 or 3 games could be the difference between making the postseason.

          That’s not what we’d be doing, though, if we leave Joba (or Hughes, had it been he who lost the competition) in Scranton to start the year. We wouldn’t be “jeopardizing a couple of wins”, we would have been preserving our starting pitching depth with the foresight and wisdom that we’d need it later… like we did last year, when Phil Hughes was the 6th starter in Scranton to open the season.

    • Drew says:

      It all makes sense now! Thanks!

      /O:S’d

    • Tampa Yankee says:

      A mediocre starter is easier to replace more valuable than a 2.00 ERA reliever.

      FTFY

    • Mike HC says:

      I think the decision was more about Phil Hughes than Joba. I think the Yanks trust Hughes more and think he will be a better starting pitcher. There was only one spot open and Hughes was the pick.

      That is why there is no definitive plan for Joba. The decision was not about him as much as it was about Hughes.

    • Riddering says:

      Yup. Joba has such little potential that with 88 minor league innings he couldn’t do what pitchers with 200-700 minor league innings do once they hit the majors.

    • Sure, I’ll play.

      Because Hughes has more potential as a starter

      That’s not the only thing that should be considered in this decisionmaking process, though. Hughes may have more potential as a starter (I agree with you in that regard), but they both have ace potential and both should be developed as starters.

      Because this is what’s best for the Yankees in 2010

      Disagreed wholeheartedly. The 2010 Yankees already have several pitchers who can pitch the 8th inning exceedingly well (albeit not as well as Joba at his best, which we still don’t even know if we have, mind you.) The 2010 Yankees, meanwhile, don’t have many pitchers who can be the 6th starter, and the 6th starter, even starting the year in Scranton, is a near lock to pitch more innings than the 8th inning guy and is a near lock to have a greater impact on the 2010 Yankees record than the 8th inning guy. The positive difference between Joba the 6th starter and Mitre/Aceves the 6th starter is much larger than the difference between Joba the 8th inning guy and Marte/Robertson/Aceves/Park the 8th inning guy.

      Because it’s the New York Yankees not the New York Jobas, “unfortunately” we are shelling out 200Million a year to win this year. Giving the bullpen role to Joba helps us reach our goal.

      Joba becoming a solid starting pitcher, both now and next year, helps us way more than Joba becoming a dynamite reliever, both now and next year. Joba’s development as a starter inherently helps the Yankees win titles, far more than his development as a reliever. We’re already developing several relievers. Joba the starter gives both this year’s team and next year’s team a tremendous strategic advantange in a way that Joba the reliever simply does not.

      He had a chance to prove himself last season

      Giving young pitchers only one year to prove themselves is batshit insane. No two ways about it. Impatient organizations are losing organizations.

      A mediocre starter is easier to replace than a 2.00 ERA reliever.

      The overwhelming majority of baseball research disagrees with you.

      • Rogue Trader says:

        That’s not the only thing that should be considered in this decisionmaking process, though. Hughes may have more potential as a starter (I agree with you in that regard), but they both have ace potential and both should be developed as starters.
        ___
        Why do you think Joba has ace potential? more than likely his cap is as a 3rd starter.

        Disagreed wholeheartedly. The 2010 Yankees already have several pitchers who can pitch the 8th inning exceedingly well (albeit not as well as Joba at his best, which we still don’t even know if we have, mind you.) The 2010 Yankees, meanwhile, don’t have many pitchers who can be the 6th starter, and the 6th starter, even starting the year in Scranton, is a near lock to pitch more innings than the 8th inning guy and is a near lock to have a greater impact on the 2010 Yankees record than the 8th inning guy. The positive difference between Joba the 6th starter and Mitre/Aceves the 6th starter is much larger than the difference between Joba the 8th inning guy and Marte/Robertson/Aceves/Park the 8th inning guy.
        ___

        You can’t say that no Joba is better than Joba in the 8th. Like i said, it is what’s best for the Yankees this year. There was one spot open, why not give it to the best man?

        Joba becoming a solid starting pitcher, both now and next year, helps us way more than Joba becoming a dynamite reliever, both now and next year. Joba’s development as a starter inherently helps the Yankees win titles, far more than his development as a reliever. We’re already developing several relievers. Joba the starter gives both this year’s team and next year’s team a tremendous strategic advantange in a way that Joba the reliever simply does not.
        ___
        I agree, but what’s more likely to happen? Joba becoming a great pitcher or Joba becoming a dynamite reliever? Why not take the safer route (reliever).

        Giving young pitchers only one year to prove themselves is batshit insane. No two ways about it. Impatient organizations are losing organizations.
        ___
        I wouldn’t say the Yankees are impatient all the time, but they are not as willing to give prospects the same opportunities/time as other organizations would, and we are obviously not a losing organization.

        The overwhelming majority of baseball research disagrees with you.
        ___
        SERIOUSLY, will a end of the rotation pitcher pull more than a stud reliever in the FA Market!?!

        • Why do you think Joba has ace potential? more than likely his cap is as a 3rd starter.

          But again, 3rd starters are more important and more integral to a team’s success than stud relievers. Even if Joba’s not an ace and just a good starter, that’s more important to the Yankees team (both now and in future years) than Joba the stud reliever.

          You can’t say that no Joba is better than Joba in the 8th. Like i said, it is what’s best for the Yankees this year. There was one spot open, why not give it to the best man?

          Because the 6th starter job is more important than the 8th inning job, and Joba’s the best player for both of them. Since he’s the best player for both, he should go in the spot that’s more important where he can help us win more. That’s the 6th starter job.

          I agree, but what’s more likely to happen? Joba becoming a great pitcher or Joba becoming a dynamite reliever?

          Not the point. It’s always more likely that ANY pitching prospect becomes a dynamite reliever than a great starter, because the dynamite reliever job is easier than the great starter job. It’s easier for me to be a great McDonald’s employee than a great U.S. Senator, but one job is much more important than the other and if I have the potential to be a good U.S. Senator, it’s best for EVERYONE that I attempt to be a good U.S. Senator.

          Why not take the safer route (reliever).

          The safest route is not reliever. The safest route is Joba the 6th starter. The best team possible has a quality 6th starter (Joba) and a solid 8th inning option (Marte/Robertson/Aceves/Park). A team that has Joba in the 8th but Mitre/Aceves in the 6th starter spot is a weaker, more inferior, less balanced team. The upgrade from Marte/Aceves/Robertson/Park to Joba is not worth the downgrade from Joba to Mitre/Aceves.

          I wouldn’t say the Yankees are impatient all the time, but they are not as willing to give prospects the same opportunities/time as other organizations would, and we are obviously not a losing organization.

          And yet, our longest stretches of NOT winning the World Series have come during the periods of the greatest organizational impatience. When we’ve shown patience with our prospects and developed them, we’ve built cores of excellent players that enabled us have our best teams possible. No, we’re not always an impatient organization, but our periods of patience have been rewarded far more than our impatience has.

          SERIOUSLY, will a end of the rotation pitcher pull more than a stud reliever in the FA Market!?!

          Yes. Starting pitchers, even middling ones, get paid on par with or better than relievers, even elite ones. Go look at the free agent market and you’ll see it’s true.

          4th starters >>>>>> closers

          • Rogue Trader says:

            Fine, you win. I agree with you, but if Joba the starter really is more valuable than Joba the reliever we’ll never know, well not this year. And so there is no way of knowing whether Joba would have even been a good backend starter consistently.

            AND/ALSO Here’s a curveball for you:

            Joba, the hard throwing fire breathing phenom as an 8th inning pitcher could actually be more valuable to the Yankees from a business stand point. Think about it, the shirts, the commercials, the jerseys and the publicity…

            You are more likely to become a star or a popular player being the
            AMAZING” 8th inning guy than a 5th or 4th starter, and in revenue, that return can be greater than what Joba may contribute as a starter. Just saying.

        • Mike HC says:

          The one disconnect between what you are saying and what Tommie is saying is about Joba’s value for this season.

          Tommie predicts Joba would get at least 60-70 innings as the 6th starter and there is chance the 6th starter may have to pitch many more innings than that. If Joba does not pitch those innings, they will go to a far inferior pitcher like Sergio Mitre. The downgrade from Joba to Mitre is very large.

          As a reliever, Joba almost certainly will pitch no more than 70 innings anyway, and if Joba does not pitch those innings, they would be replaced by Chan Ho, Robertson, Aceves and Marte, all guys who are excellent relievers and would put up similar numbers to Joba. Thus the downgrade is not that large, if a downgrade at all.

          I don’t know if I agree with Tommie, but he puts forth and interesting argument for why Joba to the minors as sixth starter will actually have more value to the 2010 squad . Not even taking into account the benefits for 2011 and beyond.

          • That’s an excellent restatement of what I’m saying.

            Thank you.

            • Also, it’s hard to do with Hughes, since he was moved to the bullpen midseason, but Hughes pitched 86 innings in the bigs last year despite starting the season in Scranton’s rotation. Also, consider our AL East rivals.

              In Boston, Clay Buchholz was either the 6th or 7th starter (depending on who you believe) and opened the 2009 season in Pawtucket. He pitched 92 innings in the bigs last year and put up a 1.2 WAR.

              David Price was Tampa Bay’s 6th starter and opened the 2009 season in Durham. He pitched 128 innings and put up a 1.6 WAR.

              I think that people are not only overvaluing 8th inning relievers and closers, but also undervaluing 6th starters. 6th starters pitch a huge chunk of a team’s innings every year.

              • Mike HC says:

                I think I am on board with Joba to the minors at this point. As long as the bullpen gets the job done, there are too many positives to using Joba as the 6th starter. If a need in the bullpen becomes so apparent, the Yanks can reevaluate where Joba would be more valuable. And it is much easier to go from starter to reliever than the other way around.

              • Frank1979 says:

                “6th starters pitch a huge chunk of a team’s innings every year.”

                Excellent point. Also a follow up to that, I believe the Rockies were the only team last year to get almost every start out of just 5 starters. I could be wrong and if I am feel free to correct me.

                Ubaldo- 33
                Marquis- 33
                De La Rosa- 32
                Hammel- 30
                Cook- 27

                And even they still needed 7 starts from somebody else.

                http://www.baseball-reference......2009.shtml

    • Bo says:

      I still dont comprehend the people that care more about developing young pitching than winning titles.

      And also the little fact that the Yankee FO who may know a thing or two think hes better off as a reliever.

      But hey Im sure casual fans like most of you guys know better

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

        The downgrade from Joba to Mitre is very large.

      • pete says:

        that’s because every time someone has explained themselves to you, you ignore them. It’s very hard to understand outside opinions if you’re completely disregarding them.

      • Rob NY says:

        Because if the Yankees can get 3-4 starter from Hughes and joba they can then save millions of dollars from pettite and vasquez to spend elsewhere. Maybe invest that money for a real left fielder? Plus starting pitching is you know the most important component to a sustainable run of championships.

  29. Miranda, looking like a complete ballplayer today!

  30. Mike HC says:

    A-Rod with the opposite field bomb. Looking forward to a completely healthy year from him this year.

  31. bexarama says:

    Yay-Rod.

  32. mikebk says:

    stat padding as usual

  33. Drew says:

    heh, Swish being Swish.

  34. Nigel Bangs says:

    thames makes that play.

  35. bexarama says:

    The wind hates Phil Hughes.

  36. Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

    I don’t know how many people got to see this the other night, but it’s awesome getting to know a diety.

    http://davidblouin.hi5.com/fri.....#8211;html

  37. Gardner totally whiffed on that. Woopsies.

  38. Mike HC says:

    Girardi seems more comfortable this year than he has in the previous two Spring Trainings. I guess a World Series ring will do that for you. I think the calmer demeanor is an improvement. Good to see the players are not the only ones looking to improve on this team.

  39. pete says:

    ugghhh Boone Logan is suuuuch a lefty

  40. Ugh. I pray Gardner’s bunt attempts are rare in the regular season.

    • Drew says:

      I dunno, the slower the ball gets to the infielders the better imo. Granted, I don’t have much faith in his hitting ability.

      • He let too many good pitches go last season; any value he can add this year will come from making contact on balls in the zone, rather than letting them go or bunting them for easy outs.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

      I know I’m in the minority, but I’m going to miss Melky this year.

    • pete says:

      I pray any and all yankee bunt attempts are rare in the regular season.

      IMO, there are four prerequisites to being asked to bunt:

      1. Your team is either tied or a run down in the 8th or 9th inning, there are no outs, and you have a runner on first but nobody on 2nd or 3rd
      2. You are a terrific bunter
      3. You are a terrible hitter
      4. The next several hitters after you in the order are all terrific hitters

    • Bo says:

      If he cant bunt this yr he wont be playing much.

      I cant see any pitcher walking him and not challenging him every at bat.

  41. Mike HC says:

    My boy Miranda comes through again, ha. He is my new favorite underdog to do well in the Majors this year.

  42. Now THAT is what Miranda has always been able to do. Nice hit.

  43. Drew says:

    I can’t get over how many of our backups/reserves would be starting if they were on the other NY team.

  44. That Chuck Norris commercial was brutal.

    Brutal.

  45. Nigel Bangs says:

    Can someone please get Tino some Afrin?

  46. Drew says:

    haha, I was going to say, how tall is that guy, 5’6″? 5’3 is pretty damn short!

  47. Mike HC says:

    A 5’3” ballplayer. He is obviously the grittiest player of all time. Imagine the pounds and pounds of dirt he must accumulate on his jersey every game. Unfathomable.

  48. Freakin’ weird delivery. Starts out underhand, then finishes more ¾.

  49. bexarama says:

    what the hell was that angle on YES right there

  50. Cult of Basebaal says:

    Wow … did the Twins batboy just hit?

  51. Cecala says:

    Do the Twins have a midget on their team?

  52. Drew says:

    This guy is short as hell too.

  53. bexarama says:

    OMG he’s *so*tiny* (disclaimer, I say this as a 4’11″ person)

  54. I’m trying real hard not to laugh at that helmet.

    Real hard.

  55. pete says:

    lol at the 5’3 guy with the big helmet

  56. Where’s Eddie Gaedel when you need him?

  57. Alex S says:

    ESPN just showed a graphic that had Clay Condrey as one of our relievers

  58. Nigel Bangs says:

    safe.

  59. Drew says:

    Gorecki did say he loves to get his jersey dirty.

  60. That call was BLOWN. Ump must have a hot date.

  61. Nigel Bangs says:

    Have a day!

  62. Miranda, making his case!

    Odds he gets the triple to complete the cycle?

    (smirk)

  63. Weber continues to crush the ball this Spring, even if that didn’t drop.

  64. “Just one more, Ken Singleton, please!”

    Did anyone else hear that? WTF was that?

  65. Now that’s more like the leather Miranda has been…flashing? this Spring.

  66. ryan says:

    Did anyone else just hear a lady’s voice say “Just one more Ken Singleton, please…(pause)… oh, no.” during the top of the ninth?

    What’s going on in the yes booth?

  67. bexarama says:

    I thought only the Twins and Angels had fundamentals and the Yankees just threw money on the field.

  68. Oooh, it’s the Killer G’s: Gonzalez, Gardner, Gorecki.

    We got this shit in the bag, fellas. Prepare the pie.

  69. Edwar’s high-sockin’. Well done, young man.

  70. bexarama says:

    You know it’s ST when: the Yankees don’t mount an epic 9th inning comeback against the Twins

  71. Heh.

    Francesa:

    “[the Phils] have as good a team as the Yankees.”

    They’re good, and they’re close, but I dispute that their rotation compares to the Yanks’ at all, after #1.

    • pete says:

      moreover, Jeter/NJ/Tex/A-Rod/Cano/Jorge/Grandy/Swish/Gardner >>> Rollins/Polanco/Utley/Howard/Werth/Ibanez/Ruiz/Pitcher/Victorino

      Don’t get me wrong, they’ve got a nice lineup. But it ain’t the yanks’

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