YES, Time Warner reach in-market streaming deal

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Those Yankee fans who are cursed with rely upon Time Warner for their YES Network access will now have the ability to purchase live streaming of all YES-broadcast Yankee games this year. The deal — announced this morning by MLB Advanced Media and the YES Network — now means that nearly every cable subscriber in the YES Network territory now has the option to purchase in-market streaming upgrades as well.

The Yankees offered up more details via a press release:

The Yankees on YES Live Game Streaming in-market package will launch in conjunction with YES’ Sunday, April 4, season-opening Yankees-Red Sox telecast (8 pm ET). YES Network will offer the package to eligible Time Warner Cable customers for $69.95 for the entire 2010 regular season, or $19.95 for any 30-day period this regular season. All games will be delivered in true high definition, the highest-quality live streaming as pioneered by Major League Baseball Advanced Media.

YES Network will allow eligible Time Warner Cable customers to purchase this package and use high-speed Internet access to watch YES’ Yankees telecasts live on their computers throughout the Yankees’ entire home broadcasting territory. They also will be able to watch YES’ Yankees telecasts live on laptops or other portable computers via WiFi. Time Warner Cable has reached an agreement with the YES Network to cooperate with Major League Baseball Advanced Media to ensure that only eligible Time Warner Cable customers may subscribe to the package.

As Maury Brown notes, with Time Warner now on board, the 127 games the YES Network airs are now available for streaming through all of the city’s major content providers. FiOS and Cablevision had signed deals with the Yankees last season, and millions of in-market fans can now purchase this live game streaming package.

For the future of online streaming of live baseball, this is clearly a deal big. The most popular team has made its games available online in the country’s biggest media market, and the revenue from this deal should be substantial. I have, however, a question: Will people purchase it? As far as I can tell, the streaming option is available only within the Yankees’ home broadcasting territory. Since the streams won’t work outside of that area, do people in New York — those who have access to YES via their standard cable subscriptions anyway — purchase this? In my view, until the requirement that only those who already have YES are eligible to purchase the streams are lifted, live in-market game streaming will not replace cable subscriptions.

And so a poll, if you will:

If you are eligible, will you subscribe to the Yankees on YES Live Game Streaming package?
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  • UWS

    Honestly, I don’t see the point when for $30 more you can sign up for MLB.tv and watch any game, anywhere.

    Also, TW is the devil.

    • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

      Isn’t the point that you’re blacked out from MLB.TV broadcasts if you’re in the tri-state arae?

      • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

        Dammit.

        *area

      • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

        You can use a proxy.

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          Which is not legal… :-)

          I also have speed/connectivity issues every time I use an anonymous proxy.

          • http://www.facebook.com/Austin.M.Matherne Austin M. Matherne

            Actually, using a proxy is perfectly legal. But you really need a UK VPN if you’re going to stream the HD feed.

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              Using a proxy is legal, of course, but I don’t believe it’s legal to use one to get around a blackout.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

              http://arstechnica.com/tech-po.....i-drew.ars

              I’m not a lawyer and don’t know ALL the caselaw on the matter, but I’d imagine the Drew case is a solid precedent to back you up. Using a proxy server to change your local IP address is no doubt a violation of the MLB.tv Terms of Service, but violating the terms of service is probably not a crime.

              They’ll cut your account off and not be able to do anything more than that, I’d surmise.

              (But again… I’m not a lawyer. So don’t say I gave you the “John Yoo memo” go-ahead to start doing something that I just think might not be a crime.)

              • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                Heh. You’re probably right to make the legal/TOS violation distinction; but in the days of DMCA, where it’s illegal even to try to figure out how to circumvent copy protection, I wouldn’t be so sure! :-)

                • mg

                  Ya, you nailed it. There are no legal ramifications to using a proxy so long as you aren’t doing so to mask illegal activity. Getting around blackouts wouldn’t qualify but MLB would be within their rights to ban your account for doing so.

              • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                PS: I love the acronym for “I Am Not A Lawyer”. Such an evocative ‘nym! ;-)

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              VPNs are also great, if you trust them, for making public WiFi safe.

              Using a trusted one is just about the only way to avoid falling prey to skunks who have set up fake wireless Access Points that have the same name as the one you thought you were connecting to.
              Many laptops will automatically connect to a fake A.P. if it has the same name as a legitimate one you connected to in the past.

            • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

              I just listen to the radio for afternoon games but the people I know who proxy stuff switch back to their normal feed after it loads.

              I can’t really watch games at work anyway if I’m going to get any work done so it’s for the best.

              • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

                *normal connection, meaning proxiless. Not feed. Feeds on the brain.

  • jim p

    There was a very very brief period a few years ago where you could have basic TW Cable and for an extra $1 a month get the Yankees game. That lasted, at the most, two months.

    Now I have TWC, but solely for the Yankees game, and it’s costing me about $70 or $80 a month. Which sucks, because after the 138th viewing of the Godfather and My Cousin Vinny, I really don’t need the cable. I’d drop it in a minute if I had a way to watch the Yankee games for $30 or so a month.

    So, if I understand aright, nothing here really changes for me. I still have to be buying TWC in order to watch the games online, right?

    • Amol

      I’m in the same boat. If I could get the Yankees without cable, I’d drop it in a second, which is why the cable companies are using every bit of influence they have to keep that from happening.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

    It’s funny that you complain about being cursed with Time Warner… I live in a Cablevision monopoly area. Time Warner (or Verizon Fios) sounds like a panacea to me. I’d LOOOOOOVE to be cursed with Time Warner.

    Cablevision’s TV and internet service is just like the Knicks, Dolan’s other venture: it’s sucked hardcore for about a decade and a half now. Problem is, there’s no LeBron/Bosh/Johnson/Wade/Stoudamire/Boozer on the near horizon to make all the crappiness worthwhile.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Time Warner isn’t a panacea. I could go on and on about my current connectivity issues and how no one can tell me (a) what’s wrong or (b) how they’re fixing or (c) how people in the same area can have the same problem at the same time but the problem isn’t considered to be “widespread” or “upstream.” It’s an issue in life right now. But that’s neither here nor there. I’ve heard Cablevision sucks just as much, and I’m getting FiOS as soon as I can.

      • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

        Can’t people just opt to get DirecTV or Dish instead?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

          Meh, I don’t like losing my TV in every thunderstorm. Pass.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Unless you’re getting satellite Internet, DirecTV and Dish provide Internet via one of the usual suspects: AT&T or Verizon or Earthlink. It’s not an upgrade.

          • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

            It’s the first time I’ve that. I have Earthlink and I’ve had no problems with it.

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          Also, if you’re in an apartment, you often can’t get permission to put up a dish; even if you can, you need a clear line-of-sight to the…South-East, I think? So that’s another limitation.

          And, as Tommie said, when my Father had satellite, it went out every time it rained, like clockwork.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        I could go on and on about my current connectivity issues and how no one can tell me (a) what’s wrong or (b) how they’re fixing or (c) how people in the same area can have the same problem at the same time but the problem isn’t considered to be “widespread” or “upstream.”

        Fun Fact: I have to flash my Cablevision cable modem about once every two weeks, minimum.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          At this point, I’m practically begging people to file complaints with Time Warner. I’ve already restarted my cable modem twice today with no improvement. Apparently, both companies suck the big one.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            (fighting the urge to make a reference to the inherent problem with oligopolistically organized industries vis-a-vis the health care reform debate)

            • king of fruitless hypotheticals

              …is the govt not an oligopolistic organization?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

                I’d respond, but it’s not appropriate here.

          • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

            Ben– see my question below.

      • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

        Ben-

        You’re talking about your Internet connection? Do you have the same problems if you plug in an Ethernet cable, or is it just wireless?

        If it happens both ways, have you tried taking your cable modem back to the Time Warner place and exchanging it?

        I have a laptop, a desktop, and a server all merrily plugging away on my Time Warner modem; the only problems we seem to have in my building are temorary and widespread.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Internet connection only. I’ve tested it with my computer plugged into the modem, and I’ve tested it on one of my neighbors’ wireless networks as well as an unsecure network I can get in my bedroom. Same problems since Saturday now.

          I had Time Warner for three years at my old apartment with no problems. Since moving in July, it’s been nothing but problems.

          • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

            And you’ve tried exchanging the modem?

            I have a dozen clients on Time Warner, and none of them have had any similar problems.

            I suspect you’re right, and it’s the wiring in your building or area.

            Can you get FiOS?

            • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

              This is my second modem in this apartment. Service didn’t improve with it, and I’ve hopped on other networks with other modems with no luck or improved connectivity.

              No FiOS yet. Once it’s available, I’m getting it. I wish I had other options, but right now, I don’t seem to.

              • Mike HC

                I had a similar problem where my internet would go in and out. I would have to time the internet connection with my clicks. Eventually it got worse and worse. I assumed it was my wireless connection, but I had similar problems everywhere.

                The odd thing was, when my computer was shut down, the internet connection worked perfectly for other people. But when my computer was on, everyones connection was messed up. My computer was the problem. I got a new one, a Mac, and have never had issues with my internet connection again.

                This might not be your problem at all, but just though I would throw that out there.

                • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                  Just got a new computer. That’s definitely not the problem as others in my apartment have the same issue that I do, and my computer works fine on every other network it connects to.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Sounds like your WiFi card, or internal WiFi, was messed up. Perhaps it was stuck in “Promiscuous Mode” (like JMK??).

                  Likely a new WiFi card would’ve fixed it, but your approach works, too. :-)

              • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                That sucks. :-(

                Guess your only other option would be DSL (yuck) or a partial T-1 ($$$$).

                Otherwise, you’ll have to spend a lot of time in Starbucks while you wait for the FiOS.

                • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

                  Starbucks requires AT&T, too, right?

                • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                  How many $$$$ are we talking about for partial T1? I’d imagine it’s prohibitively expensive.

                • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                  Damn, that’s TWICE I tried to post this and it failed.

                  Try Covad (covad-dot-com; I think the link is tripping your spam filter).

                  They have good prices and I had a client who was happy with them. The prices used to be in the hundreds per month, but have been comihg down. It’s worth a phone call.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Austin.M.Matherne Austin M. Matherne

      Optimum Ultra is awesome. It’s a $100 a month but you cant beat the 100 MB download speeds when you’re getting all your hdtv shows off usenet. Also, You can buy a cheap uk vpn for $5 a month that will allow you to get around all of the MLB.tv blackout restrictions.

      • Beamish

        vpn you say? I’d say tell me more but I don’t know if you can…

        I hate cable TV but will gladly pay $30/month just for Yankees games.

    • Mike HC

      I have experienced both and they are about the same. Similar problems, similar lack of explanation or help. But on the whole, I think they are both pretty good. I also had Comcast for awhile, a that was a straight nightmare.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        I guess media/broadband/telephony providers are like assholes: Everyone’s got one and they all smell like shit.

      • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

        I have heard nothing but horror stories from Comcast subsrcibers; and my experience with my clients who have it bears that out.

        Comcast; Quite Possibly The Worst.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          THIS. Comcast is the worst company I’d ever dealt with. This includes my bookie.

          **adjusts neck brace**

          • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

            I’m afraid to reply to your comments; my knuckles still sting from the rapping Axisa gave them after our exchange on Saturday!

            • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

              Hah. I am accustomed to the knuckle rapping, though I generally make an effort to be kid-friendly. That may have a double meaning.

              Maybe.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

      For real? I’ve had Cablevision here in Jersey for a while. Not one problem with it. The price isn’t great but it’s tolerable.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

        My main gripes:
        1. My internet always goes out every 10-14 days and needs to be hard reset. Like, always.
        2. Bringing up the guide on the TV/changing channels takes FOR.EV.ER. Three toed sloths move faster than my TV does.

        • Mike HC

          ha. yea, those are both very legitimate gripes. I can second those.

          Cablevision is slightly worse in those two areas, but Time Warner has some issues there as well.

        • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

          Tommie-

          I assume you’ve swapped your cable modem?

          And you’ve tried connecting directly to the modem with an ethernet cable?

          Have you gone into your router’s settings via browser (usually 192.168.1.1) and asked it to “release and renew” its IP address?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            All of the above.

            I think it’s simply that both Cablevision and TW use old, shitty modems and frequently sweep their lines for hackers stealing connections, which resets modem/cable box settings remotely (probably by accident, but still).

            Fun Fact #2: During the last month, all five cable boxes in my house changed their default “Power On” channel from my chosen “last channel viewed” setting to “Fox 5″. Not all at once, mind you, no… progressively, one by one. Why? I have no freaking idea. (And no, there were not any power outages during this time.)

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              I suspect you’re right, but it was worth a try. Also, add “shitty infrastructure” to the list.

              Re. your “Power-On” channel changing: this happened to me, as well. The cable co. flashes your modem remotely, sending a new version of the firmware to the modem; and either the new method of saving your settings isn’t compatible with the old method, or the firmware programmers screwed up, or the company just doesn’t care and told the programmers not to bother saving the settings (DING DING DING! we have a most-likely-winner!).

              I have watched over the months as my Time Warner DVR/cable box was updated, and the onscreen Guide’s features went from great, to worse, to shitty- if I changed channels in the guide, the actual channel I was watching would change, too! TAlk about worthless!– back to decent again.

              Definitely annoying.

              • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

                Grr. modemcable box.

                Got modems on the brain from the other posts.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

          Haven’t felt the sting of the first gripe, but yeah, the Guide thing does take forever. Sometimes the channel info thing just won’t show up for about a week. “No data available. Changing date to 03/24/2010.” That was a week ago?! You’re changing the date to a week ago? Why? What? Just…what?

          Again, I’m coming from Comcast, so as long as it works every now and then, I’m fairly happy.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

            I love the fact that my non-DVR box remote has no Guide button, to get to the channel guide you have to push the iO button in the middle and then choose the Channel Guide from the iO pre-menu.

            The DVR box remote, meanwhile, does have a Guide button. You press it, and voila!, you’re taken to… the exact same stupid iO pre-menu that the iO button on the non-DVR box remote takes you to.

            You stupid jerkoffs. IF I WANTED YOUR DAMN IO PRE-MENU, I WOULD HAVE PUSHED YOUR IO BUTTON. I DON’T WANT THAT POINTLESS DRIVEL. I’M NOT BUYING ANY OF YOUR INSIPID PAY PER VIEW MOVIES. I JUST WANT A CHANNEL GUIDE. WHY PUT A GUIDE BUTTON ON THE REMOTE THAT DOES NOT TAKE ME TO MY GUIDE?

            Assclowns.

            • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

              Heh. My Father’s on Cablevision now, and it takes up to 10 seconds sometimes for the television to obey remote commands to change the volume.

              And the Mute button on the remote actually switches the TV from Input 1 to Input 2, instead of doing what it’s supposed to and muting the sound– which actually panicked my Father and Stepmother, as the screen went to “snow” and they couldn’t figure out the problem! 3 remote exchanges did nothing to help.

              Do you know where I’m going with this, especially when I tell you that my Father cannot stand to have the volume on during commercials?

              Yep. He whacks the Vol. Down button ’til the sound goes off. Then, when the ads are over, he presses the Vol. Up button–and nothing happens. So he hits it again and again– and when it finally obeys, the sound COMES ON AT THE HIGHEST POPSSIBLE VOLUME, so he starts frantically whacking the Vol. Down button…you get the idea.

          • Mike HC

            ahhahah. So true, After 4 years of Comcast, just having a service that kinda works is like heaven.

  • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

    I have MLB.tv and am simply not willing to fork out even more money on top of that and cable to watch a few Yankees games at work or at my desk at home if I’m too lazy to change rooms.

    • jim p

      Does MLB.tv let me watch all the Yankee games if I live in NYC? It didn’t seem that way last I checked. I really really would like to delete my entirely useless and worthless cable, but those Yankee games keep me having to stay with them.

      • Mike HC

        No. You can’t view in market games

      • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

        See the above discussion, near the top, re. proxies.

  • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

    Ahhh. I’m just happy about this. Seems like it took forever.

  • Mike HC

    I might order it, but only on a monthly basis. If there is a month with a bunch of afternoon games, I might take the plunge. On especially nice days outside, I might not want to have to stay in and watch the game, but might want to watch the game on the computer outside depending on where I am.

    I think it is a good idea.

    • http://cid-e3a022289d65b5c0.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Assorted/foul.jpg Andy (different one) in chilly NYC

      +1; I’m thinking about doing this when I’m on vacation. Glad they have the monthly option.

  • Poopy Pants

    For the last few days, I’ve been considering canceling my whole TW cable subscription. Prices are just out of control.
    I can listen to every game on the radio.

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

    Solution for all of you: drink far more at your local bar.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      To alcohol: the cause of, and solution to, all of life’s problems.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK the Overshare’s Mystique and Aura

        Ben Franklin: Be quiet, I’m screwing a French whore.

  • Nick

    All these game streaming services are totally backwards to me.

    MLB: Can watch any game online..except in market.
    NYY: Can only watch in market games(IF you already subscribe to TV).

    WDF? That means if I am an in-market fan..sans a tv subscription..i’m f’d. Totally f’ing pointless.

    Why would I pay for TV, and then pay to watch yankees games online..when I can watch them on my tv? The only value is if you are never home for these games.

    I’m still mulling whether or not to renew my mlb.tv subscription, they raised the prices. However, that in conjunction with VPN’ing into Chicago..allows me to look like I’m watching MLB.tv from Chicago, and thus allows me to watch yanks games.

    O well…maybe one day they’ll break the bond of “in market/out of market”.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a The Large Sample Size

      Well, if you were a Yankee fan living in, say, Houston, Texas, you’d probably think MLB.tv was the bomb.

      • Nick

        Totally. But I’m not one :). I think its just the whole “in market” thing needs to go..and walla..anyone can watch anything. That is worth the price tag to me. Why the restriction? Some kind of cable agreement i’d imagine.

      • http://www.teamnerdrage.com dr mrs the yankee

        MLB.tv is the bomb period. I can go to bed listening to Vin Scully.

  • king of fruitless hypotheticals

    …screw it. my wife just said i could get directtv for two years, as long as i switched it back to cable at the end of the contract if she didnt like it.

    weeee!!!

    YES channel here i come!

  • Jramey

    i live in va (out of market for yankee GAMES). I also have verizon and YES network, for some bs reason the play everything except the games (pre and post game). Can I get these games online since I have verizon, or do I have to be in market?

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      The BS reason is territorial. You’re out of the territory for the Yanks’ broadcast rights so YES can’t air those games even if you get it via satellite. You also can’t pay to get those games via in-market streaming.

      You should, however, be able to get them via MLB.tv for more money.

  • jimmy

    i’m fairly new to technology, particularly when it comes to cell phones…anybody know if you can stream games over verizon’s 3G network? I have a droid if that canges anything

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