Open Thread: So it goes


Photo Credit: Seth Wenig, AP

Well, games like that happen every so often. No one likes seeing Mariano Rivera blow a lead, but it happens two or three times a year, and we move on. Nothing you can do about it. Just come back to the park tomorrow and beat Boston.

Here’s tonight’s open thread. The Phillies and Brewers (Cole Hamels vs. Dave Bush) are you ESPN Sunday Night game, plus you’ve got NHL playoff action as well. Talk about whatever you want, just be cool.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. I hate being reminded of Mariano’s mortality. Bah, I say, bah!

  2. Daniel says:

    So, the Rays and Yankees meet for two in a few days. Right now, the Rays are two games up in the standings (26-11 vs. 24-13), and have the Indians coming in for two while the Sox are coming in for two against the Yankees.

    Which leads to the question: After May 20, who will be in 1st place in the AL East?

    Obviously, it’s still too early for this to really mean all that much (the Yankees didn’t take over 1st place for good ’till July 21 last year), but isn’t this question part of the point of an open thread?

  3. Riddering says:

    A sweep would have been nice but there’s not much to complain about when the Yanks win the series but just get beat by good players in one game. This week we shall dine on division rivals by putting our best pitchers out there to face them. It will be delicious.

    But in non-Yankee news–how about Jeff Francis? 7 7 1 2 6 is none too shabby for his first start in the majors since 2008.

  4. Ty says:

    Does anybody know why Giradi pulled Mitre so early?

    As far as the above question, of course the Rays will soon be in second place, possibly to stay. And when the Yankees some day field a healthy Major League team they’ll be unstoppable. Unless Joba and Mo start to make a habit out of spectacularly blowing saves.

  5. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Wow, all the avatars over at the Yankees MLB board are blocked. There is a troll there who constantly posts with a pornographic avatar, so they had to block everyone, that sucks.

    • “Today, a man shot two people on the uptown bus. The he got a transfer and shot 3 more on the downtown bus. To prevent this from happening in the future, local officials are discontinuing the transfer system”

      -George Carlin

  6. JobaJr says:

    Who gives a fuck. It’s one game. We won the series. We have the 2nd best record in baseball… And we’re gonna kick some Red Sox ass tomorrow.

  7. bexarama says:

    I was just looking at Joe Girardi’s playing stats to kill time for some reason and holy lord, I do not remember him being THAT awful. (late ’90s nostalgia, likely.)

    • He was, in a word, gritty.

      • bexarama says:

        did he ever dive into 1B on a ball that was obviously foul? Since Friday night, that’s my Grit Meter. You don’t do that, you’re not gritty enough.

    • mike c says:

      I think he looked pretty good compared to nokes at the time, then posada started hitting and the rest is history. and cervelli’s defense might make him a keeper, he seems like he has the potential to be that guy again once the noise dies down and his BA comes down to earth. and now with romine and montero coming up the yankees find themselves with another embarassment of riches

      • mike c says:

        fun fact: girardi wore #45 (previously worn by danny tartabull) and then switched to #25 in 1996 when the yankees acquired cecil fielder #45. this number was worn next by chili davis, carl pavano and now sergio mitre

    • JGS says:

      Yeesh, seriously. That triple off Maddux outweighed any memories of his crappiness–ten year olds have very selective memories

      • bexarama says:

        Yep. I was so young when he was on the Yankees, and those teams were so good, and my most vivid memory of him is that triple, so I figured “Well he had to be league average with the Yankees.” Ummm guess not??? (he did have a 96 wRC+ in 1996……)

        Also, when they play that Yankees Classic that’s Opening Day 1996 in the snow, Kay and Sterling have this whole discussion about how Leyritz is Pettitte’s personal catcher and how they’re worried Girardi and Pettitte don’t get along. In retrospect, this is obviously pretty hilarious.

      • bexarama says:

        also, Girardi’s postseason OPS: .463!!!! SSS and all, but seriously!!!

        I love hearing him interviewed about that triple in 1996, though. He almost cries every time they do, and he talks about wanting to go back in time and just pause the game and listen to the stadium going crazy. It’s very touching.

        • BigBlueAL says:

          If you check all the players from those years most of their postseason OPS are way below their regular season OPS minus Jeter and Bernie.

          • JGS says:

            In the 2001 World Series, the entire team collectively hit .183/.240/.288/.528

            and they still had Mo on the mound to close it out

            • bexarama says:

              That .183 is the lowest BA of any team in a 5+ game series, I believe. Makes sense, I guess – usually teams that hit that poorly lose a lot earlier.

              In the 1996 World Series, the Yankees had a lower BA, OBP, SLG, and OPS than the Braves, and a higher ERA (and worse peripherals). I guess that’s what happens when you lose the first two games by a combined 16-1 and then win the next four 17-10…

              • JGS says:

                1960 Pirates:

                .256/.301/.355/.656, 7.11 ERA, 1.758 WHIP

                1960 Yankees:

                .338/.383/.528/.911, 3.54 ERA, 1.180 WHIP

                Pirates win in 7

                • BigBlueAL says:

                  The Yankees outhit the Marlins pretty good in the 2003 WS I believe too.

                  • bexarama says:

                    Huh – they did. I actually had no idea.

                    Yankees pitching had a 2.13 ERA in that series, damn.

                    • bexarama says:

                      Andy Pettitte, 2003 WS: 1-1, 0.57 ERA
                      Andy Pettitte, 2009 WS: 2-0, 5.40 ERA

                      I give Andy a lot of credit for what he did in last year’s WS (shocking from me, I know), Game 3 was actually awesome in its way even if the line score might not look that pretty, but DAMN.

                    • JGS says:

                      Marlins’ runs by game:

                      3, 1, 1, 4, 6, 2

                      I do not remember their pitching being that good

                    • The 03 team was the best pitching staff we’ve had since then, and was a nudge better than last year’s WS group.

                • boogie down says:

                  Yeah, the Yanks shelled them in all of their wins and lost by 1 or 2 in the other 4 games:

                  Gm 1, 6-4 pit
                  Gm 2, 16-3 nyy
                  Gm 3, 10-0 nyy
                  Gm 4, 3-2 pit
                  Gm 5, 5-2 pit
                  Gm 6, 12- 0 nyy
                  Gm 7, 10-9 pit

                  Game 7 must’ve been entertaining as hell..too bad we lost

            • mike c says:

              actually mo blew the lead in the bottom of the 9th in game 7 that year
              the heartbreaker of heartbreakers

        • JGS says:

          Tino Martinez, postseason (NYY only)–.228/.315/.349/.665

          Brosius, postseason–.245/.278/.418/.696

          Girardi (NYY only)–.205/.271/.250/.521

          and for what it’s worth,

          Giambi (NYY only)–.279/.409/.510/.919

          • bexarama says:

            I’m aware of Tino’s postseason numbers, but they’re still pretty shocking every time I see them.

            Giambi doesn’t get enough credit. Wasn’t even close to my favorite Yankee, was obviously terrible in the field and declined, but people act like he was out-and-out horrible. He was not.

            • JGS says:

              143 OPS+ for the duration of the contract, and only two seasons of under 128. The defense was bad, and the contract was probably two years too long, but he definitely gets a bad rap

              • BigBlueAL says:

                You shouldve listed Soriano’s stats in the postseason. Im pretty sure those were pretty pathetic as well.

  8. With Rollins due to come off the DL tomorrow, should I drop Brignac or LaPorta?

  9. Hughes vs Dice-BB tomorrow, can you smell an easy win?

  10. Drew says:

    It was a beautiful day at the stadium today… Up until the 8th inning.

    Everyone around me was pissed at Girardi for sending Swish up only to take him out. I tried explaining to them that he can’t really swing lefty right now.. So it goes.

  11. bexarama says:

    The Daily News called that grand slam off of Mariano “the Javy curse.”

    Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm right!

  12. Tackaberry says:

    So, I am taking my first trip to Yankee Stadium tomorrow for the Sox game. I was wondering what is a must do – Monument Park, BP, etc. The gates don’t open until 5 PM, but I was hoping to go in a bit earlier so I could avoid as much incoming subway traffic as possible. Is it a worth it?

    Feel free to suggest anything you like.

    • 28 this year says:

      walk around the entire stadium at least once and just enjoy the view.

    • If you have the time and are of-age, go up a little early and hang out and have a beer at Stan’s, on River Avenue, and check out the other bars on River Ave. as well as the stores there. When they open the Stadium go in and check out Monument Park and the Yankees Museum on the second level, then just walk around the whole place (hit the different levels, not just where you’re sitting) and check it out.

      Have fun.

    • The Museum, 2nd floor right above Gate 6 by the Hard Rock.

  13. Hector Noesi, proud member of BMTA, was promoted to Trenton!

  14. boogie down says:

    Rivera on his performance: “Home run, anything can happen. But walking in a run is unacceptable. You can not go in there and do that.”

    love when pitchers say that..reminds me of Jim Palmer

  15. bexarama says:

    I asked this on Twitter, but I figured I’d ask here too: when did they start calling Jeter and Mo surefire HOFers? Jeter, I’d guess around either:
    a. 2003, when he was named captain
    b. 2004, when he dove into the stands
    c. 2006, because he’d been in the league 10 years and had a fantastic season (and was hosed for MVP)

    But Mo? It’s hard for a RP to get that kind of treatment, even the best RP of all time.

    • JGS says:

      I’d say around the 2003 ALCS. When that ended, he had just pitched three shutout innings in one of the best games of all time–driving home just how much better he was than any other reliever–and had a postseason record of 7-1 with a 0.78 ERA and 0.761 WHIP in 92 innings

    • boogie down says:

      i’d say ’06 simply because of the “surefire” qualifier. he was probably given the “if he keeps this up…” preface in the prior years

      as for Mo, i’d say after 2005, b/c he had his best year to date (at least according to ERA+) and was top-3 in Cy Young voting for the second straight year. In terms of the postseason, by that point, he had only had a WHIP of 1.0 or higher in 8 out of 24 series, so his dominance was well-documented and expected, in spite of some memorable failures.

      • boogie down says:

        nevermind, Mo’s has to be earlier simply bc of the postseason dominance. I agree with JGS: after that performance, there was no doubt about it.

  16. Hey guys, I’m doing a radio appearance tonight behind enemy lines.

    Not sure if I’ll make it out alive, but a have a few of my ‘Jack Bauer’ moves handy if things get too tricky.

  17. Now, it could very well be true or make sense, but Joe Morgan just offered absolutely no defense of his “5-4 games are harder to win than 1-0 games” theorem, yet it was readily accepted.

  18. Joe says:

    I have a pair of tickets to tomorrow’s Yankees/ Sox game and can’t make it b/c of work. Tickets are in grandstand outfield and I just want to trade them for another pair of tickets to a game- possibly Wed. vs. the Rays. Will consider a pair to ANY game.

    email me at joeziemer (at) gmail dot com

  19. More knob slobbing over complete games. So tired of this.

  20. T-Dubs says:

    Not sure why, but I was just thinking who would be the best player of all time in all of the different divisions. Keeping in mind current alignment, not at the time of the players in question.

    AL East: Ruth?
    AL Central: Cobb?
    AL West: Ryan?
    NL East: Aaron?
    NL Central: Gibson? Banks? Soriano?!
    NL West: Mays?

  21. Also, loving the Vonnegut reference.

  22. T-Dubs says:

    Ya, I blanked. JGS said Rickey and I tend to agree with that.

    • Tom Zig says:

      it’s ESPN NY. Take it with a grain of salt.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      I’ve seen too many people flip out over this. All Girardi said was that Javy was available in relief if needed. Mitre’s a no go for a few days, and Nova will presumably be sent down for CHoP tomorrow. They have no long reliever, and since Javy’s start is the farthest away, he’ll be that guy in an emergency.

      That’s all it means. No big deal.

      • Jack says:

        That’s what I meant. Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see how anything in Girardi’s quotes equals “Vazquez to relieve vs. Red Sox”.

  23. Tom Zig says:


    Since Dice-K is a righty, that means Swisher can play right?

    What happens if the Red Sox put in Okajima later in the game? Are they really going to take out Swisher? Or would he bat lefty? I mean it’s likely Okajima only goes one inning, and their only other lefty is Schoeneweis.

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