The official ‘vent while I write the recap’ thread


The official Yankees blame chart. (Click to enlarge. This one comes to us via The Girl Who Loves Andy Pettitte)

I’m still steaming over this loss for so many reasons, and the recap will be slow in coming. In the meantime, feel free to use this space to vent about the game. Bash Marcus Thames, Randy Winn, the now-ineffective Joba Chamberlain or the umps. But just let it all out here. In short order, the recap will magically appear instead of this text in a new thread. This one’s too fun to discard. Zen baseball went out the window tonight.

Categories : Game Stories


  1. I like this idea.


    I feel much better now. Thank you.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Agreed. The bunt is inexcusable. Papelbon has gotten two of the last eight batters he’s faced out, and you’re giving him an out? Ridiculous. Go back and manage in 1970 if that’s what you’re going to do.

    • bexarama says:

      You summed it up pretty fucking awesomely. FUCK!

    • BigBlueAL says:

      That doesnt sound too optimistic, time to change the name!!! lol

    • Actually, I have no problem with the bunt. The idea there is to play for only one run. In that situation, a runner on 3nd with one out has an expected run outcome of 0.92763. What screwed up the Yanks was the fact that Thames is K prone, and Miranda and Winn are unknowns. Had Papelbon not stabbed Miranda’s ball, the game’s probably tied.

      • Eh, fuck hindsight, let me have my rantspace =D

      • Mike Axisa says:

        A runner on second and no outs has an expected run outcome of 1.1-something.

        • Evan says:

          The thing is, it’s more complicated than looking at the general run expectancy. For one, it’s not a 100% guarantee that the bunt will result in a runner on third with one out. If it were the case, then yeah, it’s not the best play. It’s especially the case during the middle of a game when you want to maximize runs. In this situation, you want to at least improve the chances that the run gets across to continue the game. I thought that it wasn’t that bad a play. At the very least, it’s not a definite “don’t bunt” situation (at least, I thought so).

        • But the probability of scoring a run is better with runner on third/1 out than runner on 2nd/0 out.

          • See Table 4, here:

            One-run probability:
            2nd/0 out: .634
            3rd/1 out: .670

          • Right. It’s only slightly better, but in a situation where playing for one run is the smart thing to do, that’s good enough. Sacrificing in the 2nd inning is dumb, doing it to put the tying run on third with one out, especially with the bottom of the lineup coming up, is completely defensible.

            • Mister Delaware says:

              Why is playing for the tie the smart thing to do? If you need 1 to win, sure, but you don’t lower your xRuns unless you’re substantially increasing your odds of scoring one and that didn’t happen. Total runs down 0.2, odds of one up 0.04 is not a good percentage play.

              • Because it’s the last inning. If you don’t plate the tying run, there’s no worrying about the winning run.

                • Mister Delaware says:

                  If the goal was to play the 10th inning, sure, but the goal is to win the game. Hitting 3 times with a runner on 2B gives you a better chance of winning than hitting twice with a runner on 3B then heading to extras. It might not be your best bet for extending, but its your best bet for winning.

                  • No, it doesn’t. HCM just posted the run expectancy information.

                    Anyway, I’d probably agree with you if it weren’t the 9th. As it is, getting the tying run in at least lets you play another frame, in the worst case scenario. There’s no reason playing for a 10th inning doesn’t give you the best chance to win, especially when you’re the home team.

                    • Mister Delaware says:

                      He posted the one run probability. You’re ignoring the much more significant decrease in the multi-run probability which would lead to an outright win.

                    • “You’re ignoring the much more significant decrease in the multi-run probability which would lead to an outright win.”

                      I just looked at this convo again because I thought it was interesting last night, and I have a thought. Now, please note that I’m thinking this through as we go along here, so I’m not sure you’re wrong or anything… But it occurs to me that maybe there’s a difference between run expectancy and run probability that maybe you’re missing here? The numbers you’re relying on are run probability numbers – i.e. how many runs should a team score in specific situations, while the numbers I’m citing are expectancy numbers related to how often a team will score and how often they won’t in certain situations. Saying that bunting decreases the total number of runs you’d expect a team to score in a given situation does NOT mean that bunting decreases the number of times we would expect that team to score any runs versus scoring no runs at all. Maybe a team in a certain situation could be expected to score more runs, on average, but that’s not what I’m concerned with… I’m concerned with putting the team into the best situation to score A run, as opposed to not scoring at all.

                  • I think not-bunting may lead to more wins in the 9th inning than bunting, but that’s not the same thing as leading to more wins overall.

                    • Mister Delaware says:

                      Sure it is, unless there’s a very significant variance in the number of extra inning games that are won by the home team.

                    • This. We can argue about what the absolute best thing to do is, but the point is that playing for one run is defensible when it’s the tying run and you’re at home.

                    • Not sure what you consider significant, but the home team does usually win extra inning games.


                    • Mister Delaware says:

                      Just looking at 2009, 0.531 is actually down from a typical 9 inning game. Home teams won 55% of the time straight up.

                    • “Sure it is, unless there’s a very significant variance in the number of extra inning games that are won by the home team.”

                      Well, the Yanks are 10-2 in extra-innings games in YS3… (Kidding, obviously it’s too small a sample size to be significant or have much predictive value.)

                      But really… I’m not even so sure the bunt is the right move, but my point in participating in this conversation is just to point out that I don’t think this is NEARLY as black-and-white an issue as some people are making it out to be. There’s certainly an argument to be made for getting that tying run, in the ninth inning, over to third base and closer to tying the game before the game is lost.

      • BigBlueAL says:

        Thats the whole reason why the bunt was stupid because of the hitters coming up. If Posada or Swisher were pinch-hitting then I say fine but since they werent available the bunt was stupid. I mean why bat Cervelli 6th then????

      • Patrick T says:

        If you don’t bunt there, you’re giving yourself 3 shots where a hit ties the ballgame. I like taking my chances of Cervelli, Thames or Miranda hitting a single/taking walks/letting Papelbon implode a lot better than my chances of what actually happened. Upshot – know the game situation. Papelbon has been struggling, let him lose the game, don’t give him outs. If the Sox had 1990 vintage Dennis Eckersley on the mound then sure, play one-run ball. A struggling, wild, fastball only closer? Make him earn all 3 outs.

    • Rose says:

      Had I wrote this same post – everyone’s response would be ironically the opposite.

      That being said, I agree with you. Ridiculous. Just because Marcus Thames hit a walk off last night doesn’t mean he owns Papelbon by any means (not that Girardi thought that but some people I was with tonight hinted towards that)

  2. “Zen baseball went out the window.”

    (Rubs hands together in anticipation of the Bensplosion.)

  3. Matt says:

    Ben, the game is under protest, so all hope isn’t lost yet.

  4. bexarama says:

    Definitely the worst loss of the year. Aljgladsjglkjglj25l2606.

  5. pat says:

    We played our two worst games of the season and luckily won one. Oh well. Everything that could have went wrong with the pitching, the shitty noncall against MacDonald, the bloop hits, the bad fielding. I’m actually more at peace with this loss than any other this year. We gave it to them on a silver platter, it took a meltdown of epic proportions to beat us.

    Oh well.

    • bexarama says:

      I’m not at peace with this loss at all but they all look the same on the record and I agree that the past two games have been just badly played (by both teams, actually). Good pitching performances were few and far between. The defense was horrible. It was just bad.

      This game feels a lot like the first game of the season, actually, and that loss completely sucked. But the Yankees got over it and did very well. So in conclusion, FUCK THIS GAME, Marcus Thames in the field gives me a goddamn ulcer and I hate that 0280286098 “is Mariano Rivera done?!” articles will be written, but we’re still winning everything.

      • pat says:

        I’m just at the point where there’s so much to complain about tonight, I can’t even really be bothered to. It was an epic meltdown/luckfest. I didn’t even get to watch the first half of the game and this was some of the bullshit that transpired-

        Tex’s foot was on the bag.
        Pedroia hits a 20 hopper a foot out of Cano’s reach
        Youkilis’ single blooped in between three defenders.
        Darnell McDonald should have been called for two strikes.
        Darnell McDonald hits a dying quail into CF.
        Thames drops a can of corn.
        Papelbon makes a very,very, good play to save the tying run.

        These things don’t excuse the fact that our BP gave up hard hit balls to Hermida, Drew and Ortiz (who coincidentally was a little bit out front of the slider, had it been a fastball it likely would have been gone.)

        All that shit went wrong and we still got the winning run to second base against one of the best closers in the game. Everything went wrong in the last two innings and we still almost won. Oh well.

      • nsalem says:

        make that the last 3 games

  6. Andrew says:

    yea the bunt was so goddamn stupid. why why why. cervelli can put the bat on the ball. thames is no good at situational hitting. why the hell do you bunt there? makes no god damn sense. jesus i couldnt believe they bunted.

  7. Mark says:

    Holy shit why did I go to this game. I hated the bunt as soon as he squared for it on the first pitch. Yes he is the backup catcher, but he has been our hottest hitter. Also why go for the tie when the bullpen was dead. I guess they would have went to Dave for 2, but still just hate the bunt. I also would of loved to have seen Pena just have a straight steal, and think he would of made it easily.

    Man what a shitty night!!!!

    P.S. Stop playing Thames in the outfield, I wonder how much the weights weigh on his ankle when he runs.

  8. B-Rando says:

    Ben I completely feel your pain here as I’m sure we all do. Talk about a frustrating game to watch!! The worst part about this game was it was almost exactly like last night, except we didn’t win in the end. If that miracle last night hadn’t happened and we just lost 2 games in a row like this?? God, I can’t imagine how I’d feel.

    Joba- get your shit together
    Mo- we still love you
    Umps- are you for real with that god damn strike zone?

    Games under protest, and quite honestly the yanks have a legitimate case for a protest. Had Beckett been out there for at least another batter we could be looking at a completely different game.

    • damn yanks says:

      What happened to justify a protest? I only caught the last 2 innings

      • they took out Beckett without warming up another pitcher and claimed he was injured. But he showed no sign of injury before that; he just stopped being effective. The umps let the bullpen guy warm up as long as he wanted. Basically used a loophole to get Beckett out of there without giving up any more damage

        • B-Rando says:

          It was pretty f*ed up because Beckett was heading for a disaster. All of a sudden the pitching coach is out there signaling for a righty with no trainer in sight. If the umps don’t allow that to happen, Beckett stays in that game and who knows what happens.

  9. MeGaX says:

    that was one frustrating game to watch after joba came in and was allergic to the strike zone like he was starting again, then the ump blowing strikes on mariano… no hope in the protest you have a better chance of winning tickets for life from the boss himself than that

  10. Phranchise says:

    niceee. Alright fuck fucking marcus thames. the guy has an unbelievably detrimental effect on the team whenever he takes the field. randy winn is so fucking old and overmatched that his name should be changed to randy dfa. and wtf joba. also wtf girardi. BUNTING IS FUCKING BAD. LIKE ALMOST ALWAYS. ACTUALLY ILL JUST GO WITH ALWAYS. NO MORE FUCKING BUNTING! Thank god we fucking won the last game, or this would suck more than it already does. what an awful fucking game

  11. BigBlueAL says:

    Im still trying to figure out why in the world the Yankees are again carrying 13 pitchers. The bullpen is a mess not because of overuse but because they have all pitched like crap lately. How can you carry only 12 players when 2 of them arent available?? Was it really necessary to call up Melancon now while Posada/Swisher are still injured??

  12. Matt says:

    God bless him, but just image if George was in his right state of mind after this loss….

  13. ZZ says:

    It all comes back to Boone freakin Logan.

    If he is sent down today, Thames gets pulled for Golson as a defensive replacement.

    /well, kind of

  14. Captain Jack says:

    Fuck it. I’m too pissed to even bitch about this loss.

  15. Conor says:


  16. john says:

    I hate that randy winn is on the team. I hate it more when he’s in the lineup and I hate it most that he’s gotten so much pt lately. It makes me want to pull my eyelids off also, joba, will you please just attack and throw a mother fucking first pitch strike

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  18. BigBlueAL says:

    Fuck it Im gonna say it, how the fuck does Mo give up hits to both McDonald Hermida in the 9th!?!?!?!? Both with 2 outs!!!! Vazquez to the 9th!!!!

  19. Kevin G. says:


    That is all.

    • Mister Delaware says:

      I’m not even that pissed at Thames right now; its obvious just watching him that he’s not comfortable wearing a baseball playing glove and he shouldn’t be in the field. Period. But he can hit and he did last night and he worked a solid walk tonight so he has a purpose. Randy Winn … no purpose. Great career, handshakes, blah blah blah. His late decline phase isn’t fun for any of us to watch.

  20. bexarama says:

    Some Ranger fan I follow on Twitter said “Mariano Rivera is done!!!” with the intent to piss me off. I KILL HIM!!!!!!!!!!

    • BigBlueAL says:

      You follow a Ranger fan???? lol

      • bexarama says:

        He’s a good guy! Until now!!!! (murders him)

        • BigBlueAL says:

          At first I was like why is she following a NY Rangers fan?? To avoid too much clutter I only follow mostly Yankee/Knick beat writers and a few fans of both that I can talk to during games somewhat rationally. Also a bunch of general baseball/basketball analysts.

  21. Transactionals says:

    Frustrating game. Makes you want to make any number of moves, but I think the only thing you can justify is never using Thames in the OF. He’s just beer league softball bad out there.

    The worst thing about this loss is it was almost totally the result of bad roster decisions. We brought up a 13th pitcher tonight sending out Golson. If they’d kept Golson up, then no Thames in OF in the late innings, then no lost game. But I suppose the comfort Girardi gets from having a second lefty in the pen is worth a lost game or two. Boone Logan sucks at getting lefties out, but hey what’s a few dropped pop outs in critical spots amongst friends when it means Girardi gets to make an extra pitching change every other night.

  22. pat says:

    I think I love The Girl Who Loves Andy Pettitte because that flowchart is awesome.

  23. Justin says:

    Hard to blame Winn, he gave a good AB.
    And Thames, that error was huge, but not surprises by it, he’s not a good fielder to begin with.

    As for the bunt… I didn’t understand why … Both Miranda and Thames are swing and miss hitter.. probably not a good idea depending on them to make good contact to get a runner in from third. Also both are double play candidate. It would take a single to score Cano to tie anyway, so why give up an out by bunting and rob yourself another chance to tie or win.

    • Mister Delaware says:

      Did he? He was thrown 4 balls out of the strike zone, passed on 3 of them, tried to pop out but missed by ~15 feet of room and got smoked on a predictible fastball (ie: the last 6 pitches were all 94 mph +/- 1). How many guys in our organization can’t hit a fastball when they know a fastball is coming?

      • damn yanks says:

        agree 100 percent, he never had a chance… i have never rooted so hard for a walk…

        He reminds me of the 1b from the movie Little Big League….

  24. Yankeemeg says:

    GACK. That’s all I got.

  25. The Brett Gardner Explosion says:

    Eh, tough loss. But on the bright side, we could be Mets fans.

  26. bexarama says:

    I BLAME JAVY!!!!!!!!!

  27. Joe D. says:

    We won our last series.
    Split against the Red Sox.
    On pace to win over 100 games.

    I found the bunt infuriating, to be honest.

    But otherwise, I’m pretty much at peace with this game.

  28. ZZ says:

    Joba’s problems are not going to magically correct themselves.

    He has consistently be unable to repeat his delivery for close to 1.5 years now.

    You don’t just wake up one morning and have a problem like that fall into place when it has been going on for this long.

    This isn’t like Javy being a little off and dropping his arm slot on his fastball. This is a very real issue for Joba.

    He is going to have a lot of nights like his past 2 outings. He is just a completely different pitcher on a nightly basis. In Detroit, his arm action and mechanics looked fantastic. Tonight and the other day, terrible.

    The Yankees had to hope that if they moved Joba to the bullpen and had him pitch permanently out of the stretch he could repeat his delivery for at least an inning at a time. They tried to make it as simple as possible without sending him to the minors and completely breaking him down.

    But the problem is still there. It is becoming more and more evident that it was never about Joba’s role.

    He is simply not a reliable pitcher. Rotation or bullpen.

    Not to mention, there is a very real risk that he is going to re-injure his shoulder the way he is throwing the ball.

  29. James says:

    People wanting Ramiro Pena to come in to play RF in a tie game vs the red sox in the top of the 9th make me LOLZ, (safe)

  30. poster says:

    This is actually in the “God, why have you forsaken me?” section. As well as the “Fire Cashman” section.

    • poster says:

      …And the fire Girardi section! Wow, we should just switch out the major league and minor league teams.

  31. T.J. says:

    I was in favor of the Winn signing but damn he’s look lost at the plate.

    Did anyone comment on his misplay of Hermida’s hit to left?

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Well it wasnt really a misplay more bad positioning prior to the pitch. Could be coach’s fault. They did show Thompson talking to Winn when he was back in the dugout.

    • bexarama says:

      A lot. I have to figure they think Mo’s more likely to give up a bloop. And just because this is the ranting thread: THIS GAME SUCKED!!!!!!!

    • Mister Delaware says:

      I don’t like Winn (see above or prior thread) but that wasn’t his misplay. He and Gardner were playing short field for Hermida’s PA; that was bench positioning.

  32. BigBlueAL says:

    LOVE the blame chart!!

  33. A.D. says:

    Interesting sending down Golson was quite large (and why it wasn’t Logan I don’t know). With a lead late Thames shouldn’t be in the OF, and Golson would have caught the Thames drop in the 9th, and might have caught the blooper down the RF line in the 8th.

    I can understand why Thames is playing the OF right now, but one needs to have a defensive replacement ready late in games.

  34. Shaun says:

    Joba wasn’t any good tonight, and that inning that he pitched, even with the Thames error didn’t have to end the way it did. Speaking of Thames, not to make excuses, but if Thames DID call Cano off, Cano really had no reason to be out there.. Thames sucks as is in the field, Cano being there compounded it a bit.

    The bunt made me sick, especially when I knew who would be coming up next, I’d rather see Cervelli swing the bat in that situation, when fucking Marcus Thames, Juan Miranda, and Randy Winn are behind him in the line up. Girardi successfully took the bat out of the hands of the best hitter the Yankees currently have in that situation. Actually, Girardi’s handling of everything has been pretty awful this year, injuries are never excuses for poor bullpen management and just bad managing decisions in general. I understand he’s won a WS, but it shouldn’t take a fucking brain surgeon to win a WS with the line up the Yankees had last year.

    • Shaun says:

      Also, comparing last year to this year, is Marcus Thames that much better in the field than Matsui would have been?

      Bright side, even though CC labored, he pitched a good 7 innings. If it was a better CC performance, I don’t think Joba ever becomes an issue.

      • Shaun says:

        Oh, also want to vent on the strike that was called a ball. Fuck that umpire forever.

      • bexarama says:

        Matsui is both a Thames-level fielder and he gets physically hurt when he plays the field. Yes, he would be worse in the field.

        If it was a better CC performance, I don’t think Joba ever becomes an issue.
        Huh? He pitched seven innings and gave up one run. You wanted to send him out for the eighth? You expect one of your better relievers to get three outs without giving up four runs. Apparently that didn’t happen tonight.

        • Shaun says:

          If CC wasn’t laboring, CC could have done what CC always does, and pitched the 8th. I’d say if CC were able to get through 7 with ~90 pitches, he’d be out there for the 8th. Not that it happened(or ever will against the Sox), but just thinking in perfect world terms.

          As someone said earlier, Joba looks like two different pitchers, sometimes we get the 2007 K-machine, other times we get the 2009 starter Joba. It’s frustrating to watch.

  35. The Brett Gardner Explosion says:

    who would have thought that at the end of May, Brett Gardner would be carrying the outfield.

  36. T.J. says:

    I’m picturing Ben literally punching the keyboard for this recap.

  37. bexarama says:

    Also, THE GIRL who loved Andy Pettitte? THERE IS MORE THAN ONE OF US!!!!!!!!

  38. yankees=warriors says:

    I’m going out of my mind here and saying the chances of Cano scoring by stealing home is actually better than ANY chances of Miranda and Winn driving that run in.
    Oh, and I freaking hate Thames and Logan!!!

  39. Meat Loaf says:

    My biggest beef is the bunt and then no PH.

    What is the harm in letting Swisher PH there?

  40. Kiersten says:

    CC pitched well. The Red Sox are still in fourth place.


  41. The Brett Gardner Explosion says:

    On this date in yankee history:
    May 19th 2009: Yankees 22-17, on their way to a 27th WS win.

    Today? 25-14

    Also, In that game CC went 7 inn, with 1 ER as he did tonight.

    bruney pitched a scoreless 8th
    Tomko a scoreless ninth.

    my point?
    not sure.

    • bexarama says:

      as Mike pointed out on Twitter, the Yankees have a +74 run differential right now. Last year at this time, they had a -13 run differential. A lot of that was probably due to Wang but… wow.

  42. dkidd says:

    i’m in los angeles for the week and found a yankee bar in santa monica. i had to leave after cano made it 5-0. thank christ i didn’t watch the rest of the game. just reading the play-by-play made me nauseous

    please take at least 1 from the rays

  43. Kevin G. says:

    So, according to the flow chart, the proper response should be:

  44. Salty Buggah says:

    Winn. DFA now. That is all.

    Actually, no it’s not. Why the hell did they bunt? Also, why send down the extra OFer when you know Swish and Posada can’t fuckin play?@! I’d like to blame Thames (and I will) for screwing up a pop-up but the guy obviously can’t play D. I’m sure my 2 year nephew nows that and he probably won’t even ever hear what baseball is all his life! We had Golson.

    Can’t blame Mo. He’s gone through his rough patch so we should be good for that. Joba stunk but he should be good in the long run. Ditto the rest of the bullpen.

    Why the hell was Randy Winn playing so damn shallow? And again, why bunt with Cervelli, who has been insanely clutch in his (SSS) career. Also, that A-Rod “error” was not one and he actually got the runner out. Fuckin umps. Tex needs to heat up for real and not just have small bursts of dominance now.

    Fuck BABIP. It has been decent lately but in the inning when we had bases loaded and 1 outs, A-Rod and Cervelli hit the ball hard but right at the RFer. No additional runs came b/c the bottom of the order stinks.

    Also, for the fuckin love of Mo, please get healthy soon all hurt Yankees so we can have our normal dominant ball-crushing team.

    /rant over
    //forgive me for some irrational overreactions

  45. Jerkface says:

    It was the best of Thames, it was the worst of Thames

  46. BigBlueAL says:

    WOW, Dodgers now on a 9 game winning streak. When the fuck did this start??

    • bexarama says:

      Nine games ago!

      /obvious answer’d

      No, seriously, I’m guessing their pitching got their heads out of their asses. Andre Ethier (who’s going on the DL :( ) being fucking amazing probably didn’t hurt either.

  47. claybeez says:

    The bunt was the worst. Freezing my ass off in that wind tunnel of a stadium, me and the guy next to me threw our hands up like WTF?

  48. Ant says:

    Plain and simple there is no one else to blame but Joba. The Yanks got a gutty pitching performance from CC and had a 4 run lead with 6 outs to go. Alls Joba needed to do was to get 3 outs and hand the ball over to Mo. If the Yanks are up in the 9th inning with Mo pitching you don’t have Thames in right you have Swisher and I’m confident he could catch a pop fly.

    Joba is having an extremely tough time repeating his mechanics, as you can tell. One day he is hitting 97 and has a great slider with pinpoint location and the next he can barely hit 93 and wild.

    Whatever, the Yanks just need to be able to ride out these slew of injuries for acouple more weeks and we wont have to witness games like this much longer

    end rant.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      Yeah thats the thing to me that is bewildering about Joba. Look every reliever will have a bad outing or two but the constant difference in his velocity is frustrating and perplexing.

      • ZZ says:

        When he repeats his mechanics his velocity is up and his stuff has life.

        When he does not repeat his mechanics everything his flat and his fastball tails.

        It is no different than Joba last year. Those handful of great starts he had were a product of having sound mechanics.

    • Tank the Frank says:

      Joba is having an extremely tough time repeating his mechanics, as you can tell. One day he is hitting 97 and has a great slider with pinpoint location and the next he can barely hit 93 and wild.

      Absofuckinlutely! The ENTIRE bullpen structure needs to be re-worked. NO ONE has a set role anymore! Everyone with the exception of Park, Marte, and Mo can be sent down and/or sat down. If you don’t pitch well, you don’t pitch. You get your ass sent to Pennsylvania or you throw on side sessions and work with Eiland. Issue a challenge to Joba, D-Rob, Marte, (vomit) Logan, and Park. Your job is at stake. Everyone is on a level playing field from here on out. You are all on the same level as well as on the same level as Melancon/Sanchez/Nova. They can all take your job if they pitch well. Ride the hot hand and go from there.

      Mo will get it together. His defense abandoned him tonight…as did his coaches for defensive positioning. Outfield playing shallow when a ball over their heads scores the go-ahead runs anyway? REALLY!?!?! Who in that outfield could ever DREAM of throwing someone out anyway? Outfield needs to play straight away in that situation.
      FUCK FUCK AND FUCK I’m going to bed.

      Hopefully this is the worst the season will get…cuz all things considered it really isn’t that bad. CASHMAN and JOE G GET THE BULLPEN’S SHIT TOGETHER! That’s it.

  49. Ramondo says:

    Bottom line, this would have never took place if Joba does his fucking job!! What the hell is his problem??? Get the ball to MO and that’s all we ask. Don’t blow a 4 run freaking lead!!! Joba can’t start and he can’t relieve so send him somewhere on a long trip and tell him never ever to come back.

  50. Cecala says:

    FUCK YOU Derek Jeter for your inability to recognize pitches out of the strike zone and swinging at crap.

    FUCK YOU Mark Tiex for sucking as of lately even though May is supposed to be your month. We don’t pay you to pop up.

    FUCK YOU Randy Winn you can’t hit a ball for shit! I don’t know how you were paid 9mil last season because you suck balls with your pointy ass nose you suck and why the hell were you playing Hermida so shallow, have you ever heard of no doubles defense? I think not!

    FUCK YOU Joba for allowing so many god fucking runs. Your job is to pitch 1 inning! 1 fucking inning and you suck at that!

    FUCK YOU Boone Logan, you didnt play today but you still fucking suck!

    and a BIG FUCK YOU to Marcus Thames! Its called a glove, learn how to use it!

    • I’ve gotta say, this is the type of reaction, and we see it a lot from Yankee fans, that I just don’t get.

      Be disappointed. Be pissed off if you must react with anger. But I can’t understand the anger/hatred that many Yankees fans exhibit towards players on the Yankees. I’m disappointed in the game tonight, we all are… But they went out and tried to win the game, it was just a fucked up night and bad stuff happened. The anger is misplaced.

      There’s a difference between rational disappointment in a bad outcome and unreasonable anger at individuals on the team.

      • bexarama says:

        This is the irrational venting thread!!!

        But yeah I agree with your point. People saying the players aren’t trying annoys me. A lot. Even if I know Cecala’s post isn’t really 100% true, I gritted my teeth reading it.

        • I’m not just talking about this thread, I’m talking about reactions that we see from Yankees fans on a day-to-day basis.

          Jeter swings at the first pitch? “Fuck Jeter.” Winn strikes out? “Fuck Winn.”

          It’s stupid. My hunch is it’s partly just the NY sports fan mentality and partly a product of the blog comment/twitter age, where everyone wants to come up with the crazy and funny instant reaction.

          • bexarama says:

            Yeah, I don’t have anything to add to this. Agreed 100%.

          • Cecala says:

            It is definitely the city mentality. The other day on Versus the show “The Daily Line” had D. Strawberry on it and he said when he played for the Mets he was used to fans screaming he sucks when he comes back to the dugout, but when he went to the Dodgers, the fans didn’t care. They came late and left early. The thing that made this loss sting was it was against the Sox. Any other team would not yield this reaction, hell I wasn’t even mad at the Twin loss.

        • Cecala says:

          It was mainly just a pissed off SSS thing, I took a shower and cooled off. The only player I really can not stand is Thames because he has done this multiple times and it really is not excusable. He needs to work on his fielding mechanics even though Robbie got in his way on that one. What made the game worse was I turned on Hockey to watch the Blackhawks game considering it was over and came back to see Teix pop up with the bases loaded. Just an aggravating game.

    • Mister Delaware says:

      “have you ever heard of no doubles defense”

      Have you? (Hint: Its a lead protection strategy, not something you’d ever consider in a tie game.)

  51. I know this will all be an exaggeration, very extreme and way over the top, but I need to get this crap off my chest, so that I don’t publish it in my blog.

    I don’t understand how the FUCK we can’t trust our GOD DAMN bullpen to hold onto a mother fucking lead. I don’t get it. What’s so difficult about this GOD DAMN concept?! You have a 4-5 run lead: HOLD ONTO IT!!! DO THEY EXPECT OUR STARTING PITCHERS TO HAND THE BALL OVER TO MARIANO IN EVERY START?! What do they want?! WOULD THEY RATHER SIT AND WATCH THE GAME?!?! It drives me up the FUCKING WALL that we have the best rotation in baseball AND OUR BULLPEN IS A BIG LOAD OF SHIT!! Anyone in the bullpen not named Mariano Rivera needs a good Billy Martin-style KICK IN THE ASS.

    I don’t even know where to fucking start with Joba Chamberlain. WHERE DO I FUCKING START?!?! Is there something wrong with him? Is he fucking injured? Or he is he just plain demented? WHO FUCKS SHIT UP TWO OUTINGS IN A ROW?! He got the day off yesterday to catch his breath, BUT I GUESS HIS FAT ASS NEEDS MORE AIR TO BREATHE THAN A NORMAL HUMAN BEING because apparently he hasn’t caught it yet. He’s great in the bullpen, he’s just sucking dick on the mound. That’s fucking perfect. You know, Joba, you’re not making a great case for yourself with outings like this. Kiss my ass.

    What the FUCK was up Girardi’s ass, not even sending Dave Eiland out there to talk to Joba when he was struggling? WHO THE HELL DOESN’T SEND A PITCHING COACH OUT TO TALK TO THEIR STRUGGLING PITCHER?! He sends Dave Eiland to talk to Mariano in the Twins game, but JOBA CHAMBERLAIN DOESN’T GET A FUCKING VISIT?! And why the HELL was Joba left alone when he started getting runners on base? WHY DIDN’T GIRARDI TAKE HIM OUT?! Does he only take pitchers out when they’re cruising and have recorded two outs in the inning?! IS THAT WHAT CALLS FOR A CALL TO THE FUCKING BULLPEN?! When they’re loading up the bases with 0 outs, I guess it’s cool to keep them in there. I WISH WE COULD RESURRECT BILLY MARTIN JUST TO GIVE JOE GIRARDI A GOOD KICK IN THE ASS.

    And who’s fucking SMARTASS IDEA was it to play Randy Winn so fucking SHALLOW IN THE OUTFIELD?!?!?! Who the fuck is behind this?! Is it Joe Girardi? Is it Rob Thompson who positions the outfielders?! OR WAS RANDY WINN JUST BEING A FUCKING SMARTASS?! By the way, with Winn: YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING PAY FOR. You pay shit, you get shit. That’s how the fucking world works.

    Thames. DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THAT BULLSHIT. What the fuck was that error?! IF YOU’RE GONNA CALL OFF THE BEST SECOND BASEMAN IN BASEBALL SO THAT YOU MAKE THE CATCH… YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU CATCH THE MOTHER FUCKING BALL!!! While you’re at it: SUCK SOME BALLS. If I see Marcus Thames starting one more game in the outfield, I’m gonna have a fucking stroke. If I had $100 for every successful play he makes on defense, I’D BE DIRT POOR.




    OK. I’m done. I feel better now. Whew.
    I went way overboard there, but seriously, it’s not the loss that ticked me off, it’s HOW we lost.

    • Dirty Pena says:

      Damn. Is this the flow chart in essay form?

    • Shaun says:

      Does he only take pitchers out when they’re cruising and have recorded two outs in the inning?! IS THAT WHAT CALLS FOR A CALL TO THE FUCKING BULLPEN?!

      Actually, he HAS taken pitchers out after recording 2 outs in an you can’t throw that logic out the window. Maybe Joe Girardi has a Wheel of Fortune style wheel that he spins every time he has to make a decision.

      • That’s what I meant when I said that. Read it again. Does he ONLY take pitchers out in THAT situation? And leave them in when they’re shitting the bed?!

        • Tank the Frank says:

          Agreed 100 percent. He micromanages the shit out of the bullpen with the lead and when a pitcher is recording outs. Mixing and matching his way into trouble. Then when a pitcher cannot get ONE SINGLE OUT they stay in for the duration because…well…Joba’s TEH EGIHTHTHT INNING GUY!1!

          • Believe me, this very same issue makes me sick on a daily basis. Between Joe Torre’s bullpen management, and now Joe Girardi’s, not only do I have ulcers, but my ulcers now have ulcers. We need to pay someone to hide Joe Girardi’s “Bible” (roulette-style stat book). That damn stat book of his will be the end of me.

            • Ralph says:

              That fucking stat book should be shoved up his ass, and it’s 80% certain he’ll get a ruptured colon.

    • I know this is the crazy venting thread and all, but man… I have a feeling you might not look back at this comment fondly tomorrow.

      • lenn23 says:

        I’m thinking that this thread might not have been a good idea. Don’t they still have like the second best record in the game.

        • Jeana says:

          Yes, but the Blue Jays are not far behind us….and they are not the same team they were last year. I think they are surprising everyone. We aren’t “sittin pretty” exactly….

        • bexarama says:

          Eh, after a loss like this, venting is probably cathartic. No one’s saying the team sucks or anything. Well, someone probably is.

    • TheLastClown says:


      I’m not sure if this is a good argument for or against robot umps.

    • rek4gehrig says:

      I’m laughing (after reading your post) but I feel exactly the same way you do

  52. mike c says:

    anybody else hear about NJ’s surgery today? they removed “inflamed tissue” from his wrists. he’s expected to be out till july but that sounds like august to me. he was saying something along the lines of every year he gets the cortisone shot in the wrists and that heals the injury, but it didn’t work this year.
    THANKS CASH, tell me some more about matsui’s knees

  53. stuart says:

    thames is playing the fireld scholars because he is the only option. obviousdly swisher cannot play.

    if they sent logan down gholson could have come in to play D in the 8th but for some reason management likes that peice of crap……

    but thames was the only option tonight. jorge cannot stay healthy if he could they can DH him and play cervelli behind the dish………..

    without 4 starters you see to much of winn and the other dreck…thames has 2 errors already. he is a butcher out there………

    got a gift yesterday and gave the sawx a gift today……CC should have 2 more wins, wins are a bad stat. Luck involved…..

    I would have bunted,I can see both sides of the srguement it was not a cut dry call.

    the CF for the sawx both swung and also the pitch was strike 3, the ump was blind tonighr……….

  54. Luis Sojo says:

    Didn’t I say it the other day that Girardi sucks as a manager? Some people in here wanted to eat me alive because of that. I’m keeping my words, He sucks as a manager!!!

    • burnetscreamfilling says:

      you are 100 perecent Correct! Girardi sucks!!!! and this coming from someone who actually wanted Girardi to be the manager over Pena and mattingly…

  55. bunts are dumb, i especially don’t like them when you’ve got guys who are the opposite of a guarantee to get a ball in play hitting behind the bunter.

    joba was missing his spots by huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge margins. that was worse than the bunts. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarf.

  56. ShuutoHeat (Gardy = Thunder&Lightning) says:

    Didn’t get to rant yet, so here goes…..

    1. Thames, seriously man. Do you want us to sign the-guy that-used-a-sweater/jacket-to-catch-a-ball to play defense out in right? Because we will and you know what? He would have gotten that pop up with a sweater/jacket as a glove.

    2. Joe G. seriously man, why the fuck did you ask the great fucking Cervelli to fucking bunt in that fucking situation when he pretty much PWN with RISP?! Just Cervelli’s intensity+energy alone > Papelbitch.

    3. Ump, where the fuck did those few miss? You heard me. Another reason for cold heartless impartial stainless steel robot umps.

    4. Winn, I don’t know wtf happened on that fly ball and why you were playing shallow. I don’t even expect you to contribute with your bat, any hit you produce is a cherry on top.

  57. Cecala says:

    I suggest everyone takes a nice hot shower, it is very calming. Sorry for my irrationality before.

  58. Jeana says:

    A few points to consider:

    1. Sure, the Yankees are likely to protest the game….but I bet money that it doesn’t change anything. They won’t “win” the protest.

    2. Marcus Thames = DH (if he even has to be on my team. I personally never wanted him signed.) The guy has no defensive skills so how was he a better option than Damon was…or even Matsui? Hell, even Matsui has been playing left field for the Angels!!! He may have been a hero on Monday night, but this is the SECOND time during a Red Sox game that he has dropped a fly ball. I think I can play outfield better than he can….and I’m near-sighted!!

    3. Joba has blown 2 games for us now. First was Sunday against the Twins when he loaded the bases. Tonight, he had no command and lost it for us. Mariano wasn’t to blame…so don’t jump on that bandwagon. These 2 outtings only prove to me that he belongs in the bullpen and he is NOT a starter. I’m almost thankful to know that I will be seeing more of Park…..almost. I’m missing Logan right about now.

    4. We need Swisher back, and Nick Johnson just needs to go. Miranda is a better DH than he is at this point.

    Bottom line: we need our team healthy again and we need to play SMART! The Rays come in to play tomorrow night….we can’t afford to play like this. These next 2 games are critical, we are already down 3 games. Anyone notice how close the Blue Jays are to us? Too close for comfort!!

    • Nick Johnson is on the DL where is he going exactly?

      And no, if Johnson was not on the DL Miranda would not be a better option.

      • Jeana says:

        If he doesn’t produce once he returns…he’ll go bye-bye. That I am sure of. I hope he does turn it around though.

        A DH is paid to hit….that’s it. Johnson doesn’t, so IF Miranda were to continue than yes….he would be a better option because atleast there would be a return on the $5.5 million dollar investment we made.

        • He’ll go bye-bye because the Yankees basically signed him for only one year. He’s like the opposite of a DFA candidate.

          He gets paid to not make outs and he was excelling at not making outs. When you’re not making outs at the rate that he was, it’s a sign that the hitting is going to come around.

          • Jeana says:

            One year too many. Could’ve kept Matsui or Damon if the idea is to not create outs. A DH is supposed to do more than not create outs, all ball players want to minimize that. His OBP is only as good as it is due to the fact that he gets walked constantly. He does have a good eye, I will give him that. He needs to produce runs….not walk to first base.

        • And one last thing–you are basing Miranda off a couple of games. I am going to be very plain here: Juan Miranda is a good but limited baseball player. Nick Johnson is a much, much better DH option than him.

          * Higher OBP, by a lot
          * Miranda has really bad platoon splits over his career

          The reason Juan Miranda has been twiddling his thumbs in Scranton is because the Yankees do not have a place for a player like him on the team when it is healthy.

          • Jeana says:

            Maybe I am basing Miranda off of a few good games. However, in those few good games he has done more for us than Nick has in his 30 or so games. Just going by the numbers. Nick hasn’t been a good option for us now or in the past. Is he a good DH? Sure. Good as a Yankee? Past and Present stats say no. Not all players can be successful in a Yankee uniform.

            Miranda is still young, he will find his way up eventually. You can always make room for good players.

            • bexarama says:

              Good as a Yankee? Past and Present stats say no. Not all players can be successful in a Yankee uniform.

              Nick Johnson? Ha ha ha. 2003: .284/.422/.472/.894, 138 OPS+, 145 wRC+

              If he put up those numbers in 2010, anyone would have been extraordinarily happy. If you don’t realize how valuable a .400+ OBP is in front of Tex, A-Rod, and Cano, I don’t know what to tell you.

    • Cecala says:

      Granderson was the biggest loss from all the injuries. Things should be better now, with a healthy Park and Mitre back to the bullpen ( I know people hate him but hes pitched well so far this year) there will be less of a need to use as many relievers.

  59. Last thing: Twitter exploded with people crying that they wish Hideki was still on the team. Am I missing something, would Hideki have made Joba a totally awesome pitcher tonight?? Does he have some magical powers that I don’t know about??

  60. Frigidevil says:

    Damn, looks like i picked a good day to see Pearl Jam.

    • lenn23 says:

      How are they now compared to back in the ’90′s? Man, I’m getting old!

      • Frigidevil says:

        Fantatic, and don’t worry you clearly aren’t the only one who saw them back then too. It was the biggest mix of teens and middle age i’ve seen at a rock concert. They played at least a song or two from every album, and covered Jersey Girl and Watchtower. Definitely worth seeing next time they come around.

  61. rek4gehrig says:

    I’m still steaming PLUS I’m exhausted. In factI’m so mad that I gave away my ticket for tonight’s game.

  62. Hughesus Christo says:

    The flow chart is funny, but is there no limit on stupid shit Girardi can do because they won the WS last year? His job isn’t exactly difficult, and his (over)managing was criticized long before Oct ’09. Too many things make zero sense.

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