Open Thread: Casual fashion with the Yankees

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We’ll get to wrapping up the Yanks’ 6-3 afternoon victory over Baltimore later tonight. For what it’s worth, the last-place Orioles are probably going to fire manager Dave Trembley. I’m sure that won’t be anything close to the cure for what ails them.

For tonight’s open thread, we have baseball fashion. Yesterday, six members of the Yankees unveiled t-shirts and jerseys they designed as part of MLB’s new Players Choice Signature Series line of apparel. Joba Chamberlain, Curtis Granderson, Andy Pettitte, C.C. Sabathia, Nick Swisher and Mark Teixeira all designed shirts, jersey and hats that reflect their personality and heritage. Joba’s, for instance, includes an eagle feather based on his Native American background. “It was my family, my heritage, what I stood for,” Chamberlain said. “It was an honor to get asked to do it.”

The shirts, now on sale at Yankee Clubhouse Stores, Modell’s and at the dot com’s shop, are pretty snazzy. My favorite is the one above with Curtis Granderson as the DJ. A few more from Sabathia and Pettitte — featuring his trademark stare interlaced into the 46 on his back — are below. Click on any of the images to enlarge, and check out Tim Britton’s coverage for more info about the designs. Thanks also to Maury Brown for the images.

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  • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

    Bexy has already ordered ten of the Pettitte shirts.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      >:(

      It has CAMO, I have not and I shall not.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Not a fan of camo?

        • Brad Toughy

          Camo has its practical uses, and casual wear is not one of them.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Not on clothing I wear.

          The pattern of the camo and the Pettitte stare really clashes, too.

          • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

            This is true. The name should be the same style as the number.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Not a fan of Camo, yet one of the first around here to cite a player’s WAR. Weird.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              Oh ha ha ha. =P

  • YankeesJunkie

    CC showed improvement today. Although the two homers hurt him he kept the O’s under control and hopefully continue to improve in his next start which will be against the O’s once again.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    So I’m pretty sure the people that have been the most mature about the Galarraga situation are Galarraga, Leyland and Joyce themselves

    • poster

      Agreed.

      Leyland’s funny. He did a complete 180. On the field after the game he practically had to be restrained.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Oh, wow is that true. Players and managers understand that ‘Perfect Games’ are much more flukey than they are statements about a player’s talent, and Umpires will be the first to tell you they screw up once in a while, just like they rest of us. As always, it’s the fan who doesn’t truly understand the game who takes these things too far.

      • poster

        Not that I think players are always much smarter than fans, if they’re smarter at all. Goose Gossage and Jorge Posada, two players I’m really a fan of, were totally and completely against Joba being a starter, especially Goose (Jorge waffled on the issue a bit before falling in the bullpen camp).

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          That’s your example? Joba’s in the bullpen, it was an organizational decision and the Yanks are widely regarded as smart and well run.

          • poster

            I’m going under the not unfounded assumption that Joba is in the bullpen permanently. If he is, that’s an AWFUL move.

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

              No, it’s really not. From the day he was drafted, there were serious questions about his conditioning and long term ability to maintain his stuff. Going to the bullpen may extend both his effectiveness and career by a lot.

              Also, this was an either-or between him and Hughes this spring. Are you arguing that selecting Hughes was the wrong decision?

              • poster

                I think the right decision would have been Joba. Good results are seperate from what would have been the correct choice at the time.

                So you were in favor of him going to the bullpen? For what reasons? The reasons Jorge and Goose gave?

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                  No, I was always agnostic on Joba. I thought both camps went overboard, and I was happy to let things play themselves out.

                  But you holding to Joba as “the right decision” after watching Hughes pitch this year is exhibit A of just how deeply both sides were dug in, to the exclusion of all evidence to the contrary.

                  • poster

                    If Joe Girardi starts Chad Gaudin game 1 of the WS, and he pitches a perfect game, did Joe make the right decision, assuming the other pitchers on the staff are healthy and performing at the same level as they are right now?

                    You see my point? Good results don’t necessarily indicate the right decision.

                    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                      For one game, yes. But after the past two seasons of watching both guys pitch? No.

                    • poster

                      You’re missing my point, which still makes sense. Good results could just be pure dumb luck. It doesn’t indicate the right decision. Like, if the Yankees have a man on first down by 2 and Jeter bunts (and it’s clearly a sacrifice bunt, not a bunt for a hit) but the catcher throws the ball away and they end up with men on second and third and nobody out, that doesn’t mean the right decision was to attempt a sacrifice bunt. The fact that there are now men on second and third is pure dumb luck.

                    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                      No, I’m not missing your point. But there’s a difference between drawing overly broad conclusions from one single game and fairly drawing conclusions from watching two players pitch over two full seasons of play. You’re conflating the two.

                    • poster

                      Not really. I’m saying that Hughes’s success now does not prove that the right decision was made. There might be other reasons that this was the right decision, but his success right now proves nothing.

  • Brad Toughy

    NBA Finals? Yawwwwwn.

    • vin

      Really? You can’t get excited about Lakers-Celtics?

      I’m biased though since I’m a Laker fan.

      • pat

        To me, Lakers Celtics is meh. Both teams are pretty much a band mercenaries who happen to be wearing the same jerseys as two of the all time great players. Pierce, Kg and Ray Allen have been together for what, three years? In the 80’s it was a huge deal, and the media tries to make it so, but the “rivalry” really does nothing for me.

        • vin

          Most teams in team sports are comprised of mercenaries. We really do root for laundry now-a-days. However, most of the guys on the Lakers have been there for the past 5 years, with the notable exceptions of Gasol and Artest.

          The Celtics really hit the jackpot with the KG and Ray Allen trades. Not just because they were able to find teams willing to trade future HOFers, but because they had enough viable pieces in place to turn the team into a contender (Pierce, Rondo, Perkins, etc.).

          I actually think the rivalry is as real as it gets in sports today. The fans legitimately hate each other. Kobe and Ray Allen hate each other. Gasol is embarassed with the way the Celtics front line pushed him around in ’08. KG seems to be getting crazier every year. And Ron-Ron is a basket case.

          It definitely isn’t as great a rivalry as it was 25 years ago, but this is absolutely as good as the NBA gets. Not to mention these are the 2 best teams.

          Funny, long story:

          I remember during a Lakers regular season postgame last year, Norm Nixon was sitting outside Staples with their Bob Lorenz (his name escapes me) and they were talking about how the Celtics were coming to town the next week. The fans started chanting “Boston Sucks.” After the mob finally died down, the host asked Nixon some question. Nixon, for some reason thought the host was asking him to rile the crowd back up, started chanting “Boston Sucks.” They weren’t ready to go to commercial or anything, so the host had to go into damage control mode. It was pretty hilarious.

      • Carcillo

        You’re a Laker fan and a Yankee fan? LOL.

        • Bill in Boston

          nothing wrong w/ that

          i’m like the anti-boston sports fan (go phins too!)

        • vin

          Yeah, my dad grew up in Brooklyn. So he’s a lifelong Dodger fan. When the Lakers moved to LA, he became a fan of LA sports.

          When I was a kid, I made the conscious decision to be a Yankees and Knicks fan (even though both teams blew), but my dad’s Dodger and Laker love rubbed off on me (both teams were pretty much at their peak – late 80s).

          I grew up as fans of the Lakers & Knicks, Dodgers & Yanks. Sounds ridiculous, but I was one year old the last time the Dodgers and Yanks met in the WS. And the Lakers and Knicks haven’t been a rivalry for years.

          I have strayed a bit from the Dodgers over the years. They’ve definitely become my “number 2″ team as opposed to “1B.” The Knicks have been irrelevant for almost a decade now, so they’re a distant 2nd to the Lakers in my heart.

  • An Upscale Character
    • An Upscale Character

      Jon Weber was released was the point I was trying to make

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Yeah, unsurprising. Someone had to go, and he was the old guy not performing.

  • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

    You can’t tell from the gif, but on top of the already unhittableness of it, this pitch was clocked at 99

    Ubaldo Jimenez is better than you

  • Hector

    the first pic/granderson’s shirt is AWESOME

    • http://thebronxbloggers.wordpress.com The Bronx Blogger

      agreed

  • poster

    A’s beat the Red Sox! Nice.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

    Granderson, Swisher, and CC’s are fucking HOT.

  • Accent Shallow

    So I didn’t see the game today, but I did have Gameday up, and followed the how the 9th unfolded. Mo started at 89-91, then his velocity spiked as the inning progressed I saw a 93, and thought “good to see Mo flashing the gas”, then a 94 (and not just 93.5 being rounded up), then several more 94s, then a few 95s.

    Incredible.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      It was ridonkulous. He had those weird control issues for the first two batters, then got two swinging Ks and murdered a bat.

      • poster

        Yeah, after that strikeout on the 3-2 pitch Mo was like, “Fuck this shit. I’ve let them have their fun. Eat cutter, bitches.”

  • Brad Toughy

    Is there any place to find Scranton’s probable starters listed for this weekend?

    • pat

      Extrapolation?

    • YankeesJunkie

      SWB has a blog and it is linked on this websites links on the right side, if not there is a connection at LoHud.

  • Ivan

    Big Shouts to Griffey Jr. Retiring from baseball. One of the best who ever did no doubt.

    By the way, he also has one best sneakers of all time and by far the greatest sneaker created for a baseball player:

    http://southernsplendor.files......ax-1-5.jpg

    Love those joints.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Yeah, I think it’s safe to say that had he stayed healthy then Alex would be chasing him instead of Bonds for the HR record. Missed parts of 6 prime seasons with injuries (roughly 3 full years) and still managed to hit 630 dingers. One of the best ever.

      • poster

        You think he juiced?

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          No, but that’s just a guess on my part. He aged the way most players did before the steroid era, and never had the body type.

          • poster

            Sadly, I wouldn’t be shocked.

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

              You really can’t be anymore.

      • Accent Shallow

        The largest criticism you can probably make of Griffey is that his lack of commitment to conditioning led to most of those injuries. That, and the lack of desire to take a leadership role.

      • vin

        Just thought about this:

        A good comparable for Griffey Jr. is Mantle.
        Both…
        were spectacular offensive and defensive CFers.
        had their abilities impaired by injuries at young ages.
        broke into the bigs at 19.
        despite injuries still managed to play parts of 22 and 18 seasons respectively… a hell of a long time.

        Griffey played about 200 more games, has almost 100 more HRs, 350 more hits. Mantle had a much better OBP, drew 400 more walks in 200 fewer games.

        Mantle is a top 10-15 all-time great player in my mind, and Griffey is probably a 15-20 all-time great. Actually, Mays is a good comparable too.

        • Jose the Satirist

          I can name at least 25 position players better than Griffey all-time.

          • vin

            OK, go.

            I’m not sure you can find 25 better offensive/defensive players. Griffey was a shell of his former self by his early 30s, but he had already had 10 great years to that point. He had a 152 OPS+ in his 20’s, and was an electric CFer.

          • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            This.

          • pat

            Then do it.

        • Accent Shallow

          Mantle was still putting up numbers past 31, though.

  • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

    Bexy–I don’t know how you wade through that bullshit, but DSIRONYYF is awesome

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Why thank you!

      There are certain threads I know to wade through (most of the stuff in the Joba thread is done by the other person who works on the site because the Joba thread there is an embarrassment to humanity) and certain users whose posts are always… quality.

      As I said on the Game Thread though, with the winning, there haven’t been as many stupids around. Boohoo. (the Yankees winning > DSIRONYYF being entertaining, though. =P )

  • pat

    And Kaleb Cowart’s stock continues to rise…named Gatorade National PoY.

    http://blogs.ajc.com/georgia-h.....ool_sports

    Still wants to be a hitter though. I’m sure a few millies thrown his way can dissuade him.

    • Rick in Boston

      When it comes to situations like that, I kind of like the Sox approach with Casey Kelly. Let him hit on his days off and then when he proves he can’t cut it full-time with the lumber, make him pitch full time.

  • texburnathia

    What do you guys think about Selig saying that the call won’t be changed to give Galarraga his perfect game?

    • poster

      I agree completely.

    • poster

      I agree 100%.

    • forensicnucchem

      Was there really another choice?

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

        Nope, not for an individual achievement. Every blown play that affects the outcome of a game would trump this one, no matter how rare. The Tigers still won the game, which gets lost in all this. As bad as the call was, it didn’t affect who won or lost the game.

        • forensicnucchem

          Yup, and where do you draw the line? It would be an absurb can of worms to open.

          And hey, Gallaraga will be more famous for this than if it had actually been a perfect game.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            Not sure about him, but Joyce will certainly be. People tend to remember the umps in these things, with a prime example being Don Denkinger.

            • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

              Richie Garcia too

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      He can’t. Talk about the camel’s nose under the tent, you can’t set that precedent.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

        You mean the camel toe under the tent, right? Right?

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          You and your dirty mind. I knew there was something I liked about you.

    • vin

      Definitely not surprising. I’m kind of glad they didn’t change the call. Baseball doesn’t work that way. It’s imperfect. In a silly way, throwing a perfect game is more than just the pitcher getting 27 straight outs. It’s also about the fielders not botching a play, or a catcher not dropping a third strike. It’s also about the umpire not making a mistake against the pitcher (strike vs ball, out vs safe, foul vs fair). All kinds of other stuff has to happen for a pitcher to throw a perfect game… besides the pitcher dealing.

      My hope is that they use this as an impetus to expand replay in baseball.

      I like the idea of each manager getting the chance to challenge a call, and if the manager was correct, then he maintains his right to make another challenge.

      • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

        I agree, except the part about perfect games also being about the umpire not making a mistake against the pitcher.

        • vin

          But it IS a key component of a perfect game as evidenced by last night. Doesn’t make it right, but the alternative is robot-umpires, and we’re a long way from that.

          The way the game works today, pitchers need to get “perfection” from their fielders and the umpires. It’s not fair to the pitchers, but that’s the way it is for now.

          • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

            It is, but it shouldn’t be. It should be about the pitcher and the fielders (poor Juan Uribe) and the catcher

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

      Reluctantly agree. Dangerous precedent.

  • forensicnucchem

    A blah Thursday night, so I was going to watch some of the Rangers-White Sox game… And then, they put on the White Sox announcers. Not happening…

    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

      You can…put it on the booooooooooaarrrddd

      • forensicnucchem

        Yup, second batter of the game, and they were already into it begging a ball to go foul and cheering when it did. Ugh…

        • vin

          That drives me insane. Michael Kay isn’t perfect, but I love the fact that he’s not an unabashed homer. If a guy stinks, he’ll say it. He’ll call an opponent’s HR at an appropriate volume, as opposed to when Hawk Harrelson whispers “… and its gone.”

  • pat

    What in holy hell is this garbage on after Community? Wow this shit suuucks.

    • vin

      Are they airing the “Mets’ 2009 Yearbook” on NBC?

      • pat

        The Mets 2009 Yearbook would be a step up from this horrid trainwreck. Shitty acting, shitty subject matter, shitty canned laughtrack. I thought it was a joke at first. I’d almost rather watch the Big Bang Theory and I fucking hate the Big Bang Theory.

        • http://instrumentsacrosstheworld.com Total Dominication

          How? That shows is great!

          • pat

            I hope that’s sarcasm.

    • dkidd

      best new show on television is “justified”

      must see!

  • SouthernYankeeFan

    Anyone here ever have to have a government security check before?

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Nope, I don’t turn 65 for another good 25 years.

      • SouthernYankeeFan

        No its a background check. You have to list jobs, residences, and schooling in the past 7 years along with a bunch of other stuff.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          I hope it doesn’t include a section on joke detection. You might want to skip over that part. :wink:

          • SouthernYankeeFan

            ha i thought it might have been but i read my post again and I could understand if it was misunderstood.

        • Jose the Satirist

          What type of security check? Are we talking the kind the NSA, DoD, and CIA runs? Or just basic checks for getting a government job?

          • SouthernYankeeFan

            Basic govt job not top secret clearence or anything.

            • Jose the Satirist

              Gotcha. Otherwise you would’ve already failed. You’ll be fine with those basic checks. Some companies do more stringent checks than those basic government ones.

    • forensicnucchem

      I have, if you asked for a reason…

  • V
    • http://thinkingoutsideofthebattersbox.blogspot.com/ W.W.J.M.D.

      No, you found A-Rod walking around Joba’s crib.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

    Keith Olbermann just demolished everyone who agrees with Selig’s call.

    • Jose the Satirist

      As he should. I still don’t understand the argument supporting Selig for not changing anything. PTI also really ripped apart Selig.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

        Yeah, I mean…Harvey Haddix LOST a perfect game. If you can take a perfect game away from someone can’t you give it to them when it’s clearly theirs?

        • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

          Haddix lost a perfect game because his team didn’t score any runs. That is the human element of the game people love to cite. The umpire isn’t part of the game and thus shouldn’t be included in that

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

            I wasn’t comparing the two, merely suggesting that for several decades he had a perfect game…now he doesn’t because they redefined the perfect game. Now, when everyone is in agreement that the call was wrong (ump and both teams) we can’t do the right thing and give Galaragga a perfect game? Why because if this is done other blown calls might need to be corrected too? Ohhhhhhh the horror.

            • poster

              You’re right. Let’s correct all the other blown calls, like that one in the one game playoff vs. the Rockies and Padres.

              You see how impractical that would be?

              • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                Yeah, how dare we get the calls right. That would be awful, it would almost be like a real sport.

                • forensicnucchem

                  I guess we should go back and change the Jeffrey Maier call. And since we don’t know what would have happened, we should finish the game over again. And since it affects the entire future of several franchises we should just disband the sport since it’s all based on that game’s result.

                  • poster

                    Right. That’s what I’m saying.

                    Look, I want robot umps. But going back and fixing all the major controversial calls would be ridiculous.

                  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                    Well that one’s a little too late to fix. Again my previous example of that logic (no I am not comparing the two situations in severity I’m merely pointing out where that logic leads)

                    Suppose there was a man on death row that would be exonerated by DNA evidence, but the governor refuses to grant him a stay, because he says “Well if I give this a stay, I suppose I’d have to go back and change the sentence on all those other innocent men we executed” The playoff calls are done, teams advanced and went on to do different things because of it…the players aged and their skills aren’t the same as they were then and some of them retired…there’s no do overs for that. Much like there’s no do over for an innocent man getting executed (again, not equivocating or comparing the two in severity, just the logic behind each statement), but just because you can’t right the wrongs of the past doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t right the wrongs of the now.

                    • forensicnucchem

                      It’s now a wrong of the past. Where do you draw the line? It’s just not right. Should we go back to every one-hitter in history and see what the one hit was and overturn all that were bad calls. Maybe just the ones in the last 3 years? Maybe just the ones that happened after the 7th inning? Maybe just the ones telecast in HD?

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                      Basically you’re setting up a strawman, the W/L record hasn’t changed, nor is there anything we are undoing. There was NO example if a perfecto that wasn’t that was this bad, none…this is up there in terms of worst calls in baseball history. A highly unique situation. You’re saying it’s not right to undo this bad decision and not the others of games past…I disagree, those decisions are made, times moved on since then. It’s not like undoing the call in the Rockies/Padres game or anything else. It’s one call and the only thing that changes is Jason Donald loses a hit, Galaragga gets a perfect game, and Trevor Crowe loses an out. So what, righting this wrong and others that happened years ago is somehow isn’t right, but letting this shit stand is right? Come on man.

                • poster

                  For the record, I’m on your side. But consider the impracticality of going back and fixing other controversial calls. For starters, the entire 2007 playoffs would have to be replayed.

                  • Jose the Satirist

                    That isn’t true. Why do some people think other things have to be changed? This is a game with a miniscule box score change that basically doesn’t effect the outcome of the game in the grand scheme. Yet, does have a profound impact. It is not comparable to any other blown call.

                    • poster

                      Here’s what I took issue with:

                      “Why because if this is done other blown calls might need to be corrected too?”

                      That would be too complex. Baseball history would be really altered.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      I see what you are saying “poster”.

                      Just to be clear, that is what Captain Jack was saying, not me. I don’t want to start sifting through history to change outcomes.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                      Jose: I am not suggesting what Poster is saying either…he’s misinterpreting my words.

                  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                    Look, the two options aren’t mutually exclusive. One, just because we can’t go back and fix what’s been broken too long ago doesn’t mean that we can’t start with this. A perfect game, especially this one, seems like a good place to start.

                    Your logic follows as this: If we fix this bad call we have to fix every other bad call in the history of the game, thus since that would be impractical and we can’t fix them we shouldn’t fix this bad call. Extending that logic: If a judge to let an OBVIOUSLY innocent man who was convicted go free, he’d have to look back at every other questionable conviction and review the status of those inmates, thus since that would be impractical this innocent man should still be incarcerated. That makes zero sense, the system is broken, it needs something to fix…sure we can’t fix things that happened a few years ago, but we can at least fix this.

                    • poster

                      But you said this:

                      “Why because if this is done other blown calls might need to be corrected too?”

                      Look, I’m on your side. But I think it’s impractical to go back and change every controversial call in baseball history.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      “Your logic follows as this: If we fix this bad call we have to fix every other bad call in the history of the game, thus since that would be impractical and we can’t fix them we shouldn’t fix this bad call.”

                      That is a position a lot of people are taking. Repeated for emphasis.

                    • poster

                      That is not my position. I was responding to a specific comment Captain Jack made.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      My apologies. I didn’t realize he was making that argument. I thought that was what you were pushing.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                      To poster: the reason why I feel Selig and others do not want to correct this call say there’s another blown call at first base, since there’s precedence they may have to review that bad call in the future. A reason that I find to be bullshit.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                      Jose, I wasn’t suggesting that either…I should have specified “other blown calls in the future”

                    • poster

                      OH, I’m sorry. I completely misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were referring to call in the PAST that would have to be changed. If you’re referring to future calls then yes, I agree. It’s a bullshit arguement.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      Group hug everyone. I guess we’re more on the same page then we were at the beginning.

              • Jose the Satirist

                This isn’t like any other blown call.

                You change this one the only negative that happens is Jason Donald loses one fucking hit.

                The positives are Armando is awarded what he deserves. The ravenous media will applaud the MLB PR move. Joyce won’t be remembered as the guy who blew the call and cost Armando a perfect game.

                This is a very unique situation. No need to go back and make game altering changes. This is a one time minor change that is the right thing to do.

                • poster

                  That’s not how the game works. Right now, unfortunately, shitty calls have to be accepted. They always have, and until the rules are changed you still need to accept the call.

                  • Jose the Satirist

                    That isn’t actually what the rules say. The Commissioner can override an umpires call after the game has been completed. Remember the “Pine Tar Incident”? That game was replayed from after the HR. I’m not advocating replaying any games. I’m simply saying to override an umpire’s decision. Something that is in the rulebook for the “best interest of baseball”.

                    • poster

                      Well if that’s in the rulebook, I change my mind. I didn’t know that (pine tar game never crossed my mind).

                      You’re right, he should be awarded the perfecto.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      Yup, the Commissioner has a lot of power. Here is an article in 2004 how he even has the power to bypass the Collective Bargaining Agreement. He basically has “blank check” power.

                      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=1761449

                    • forensicnucchem

                      The pine tar game was changed because the rules were incorrectly applied to a situation.

                      That’s totally different than changing an umpire’s judgement call decision.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      Even if this is a different situation, are you arguing the Commissioner doesn’t have the power to overturn the call? If so, you are completely wrong.

                    • forensicnucchem

                      Nope, of course he has that power. He shouldn’t use it in this case though.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      Can you give reasons why? Many people have been giving concrete reasons why to change it.

                      All the Pandora’s box worries, going back to fix old games bullshit are fantasies. They are not real problems.

                    • poster

                      I’m an official convert; I now agree with Jose.

                      So, why shouldn’t Bud excercise his power in this ridiculously rare situation?

                    • forensicnucchem

                      He shouldn’t because of the pandora’s box/can of worms issue.

                      How are going back to old games not a real problem? It’s absolutely a problem. You can’t change one and not go back and do the others.

                      How do you know it’s a ridiculously rare issue? Did you go back to every one hitter in history and check them? How about all the no hitters where the walks were poorly called because the pitches may have actually been strikes?

                      And, who’s to say that it’s even ‘In the best interest of the game’ to overturn this anyway? Again, who picks what gets changed and what doesn’t?

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      The Commissioner picks if this can be changed. I don’t think he will change it, but I would support him if he did.

                      Let me explain the rarity. No one has ever pitched a perfect game for 8.2 IP and then lost it due to a blown umpire call that anyone can recall. That situation probably will never happen again.

                      Games with flawed ball and strike calls are not fixable. I don’t want to try and fix those. This is one game where the mistake is tangible to every person who knows the Armando game was pitched.

                      Do you think the best interest of baseball is to forever remember Joyce as the umpire who fucked up a perfect game on the last out when it wouldn’t hurt to just make this one minor change?

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      In addition, I respect your point of view. I realize that I probably won’t change your mind from the fears of what changing the call would do.

                      I guess we just have to go different ways with our opinions. Have a pleasant night.

                    • forensicnucchem

                      Why is it only important if it happens on the last out of the game? What about a single hit (blown call) with one out in the 3rd? It would have the same result, why not change that one too?

                      And why couldn’t you change the strike zone calls? Brooks baseball, every channel has their K-zone’s. The overhead or side view cameras can tell you where the ball is? It’s the same principle.

                      But, like you said, we won’t change each others mind. To each their own I guess.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                      I love how forensicnucchem considers this a “judgment call” and too much pine tar on the bat to be “rules improperly applied.” The rule is if the ball beats the runner to the bag and the guy covering the first base catches it he’s out, in this case the umpire improperly applied the rule and said even though the ball beat him he was safe. It’s not a judgment call at all, it’s an incorrect application of the rules as much as anything else. I think someone here’s a closet Indians fan.

                    • forensicnucchem

                      He didn’t improperly apply the rule. He didn’t say he thought the ball beat him which means he’s safe. He said he thought the runner beat the ball, and then properly applied the rule in that situation.

                      In the pine tar game, they thought they were supposed to disallow the home run which they did, even though the rules say that the homerun should stand and the bat should be removed. That’s poorly applying a rule.

                      And as for me being a closet Indians fan, yeah, sure, you found me out. I guess the rational discussion on this is over now…

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                      Hey look, if you can’t handle a little joke before you say the reasonable part is over…fine, if anything the reasonable part of this conversation is over when you started setting up straw mans left and right.

                      Look, it’s po-tay-to/po-ta-to. He blew the call, it wasn’t a judgment call like balls and strikes, where it’s an accepted fact amongst ballplayers that each umpire’s strikezone varies…nor was it like there was a tie at the base. The ball BEAT HIM, the call was wrong, in this case the pitcher lost a perfect game in the worst possible manner. He realizes it too…so it’s not like another example where the umpire holds on to the fact he was right, or Yogi Berra still insists he got Jackie Robinson at home in the World Series. Everyone in this situation realizes what happened, except Bud Selig. If this means he has to talk about replay, fine, so be it…but at least get this one right. It’s not only historical in the sense that it’s a perfect game, but it’s THREE PERFECT GAMES IN ONE MONTH’S TIME SPAN, three in one season for the first time in 130 years…that’s incredible. However, since Selig’s been in power it’s just another historically bad decision chalked up to Bud Selig.

          • Jose the Satirist

            I think Captain Jack is referring to how in 1991 they changed the definition of the perfect game and Haddix was removed from the perfect game list.

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

              BRING ME BACK TO THE RAILROAD TRACK!

            • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

              ah. I apologize

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VnPdn3PMuU

    Great video, fun starts around 3:20.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

      Notice how he had no problem with the call in real time, but it became “inexcusable” after he watched it in slow mo. Umpires, of course, only get the first shot at it.

      BTW-His daughter in the background who’s barely able to control her laughter is just hilarious.

      • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

        All the more reason to have replay as a backup. I haven’t seen too many people blame Jim Joyce for this, probably because he clearly feels awful about it but has nothing he can do to rectify his mistake

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

          I’m not opposed to replay, but the current systems used are way too slow. If you can get a decision within a minute or two, fine. But 8 1/2 minutes breaks are just unwatchable. The game is too slow to begin with, as Joe West will gladly tell you.

          • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

            I don’t see why you can’t get a decision quickly. Give a fifth ump somewhere (or give the job to some replay czar in MLB headquarters in New York) the broadcast feeds and have him make the call–it doesn’t have to take much longer than how long it took for us all to know that Joyce screwed up

            • Jose the Satirist

              If you have a couple of replay guys in a booth in MLB headquarters with access to all the game feeds I think the response time could be astonishingly quick.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                The technology is certainly there, but these things usually get more involved than that. The guy upstairs would need to be someone familiar with the rules, so chances are that would be a 5th Ump.

                If we can devise a system that takes no longer than an umpires conference (1-2 minutes) I’m all for it. Hook up the crew chief with an ear bud and get the answer from upstairs. No conferences followed by trips down the runway followed by another conference. That takes all day.

              • dkidd

                the only thing that could stop such an obvious solution would be if baseball had a profoundly moronic commissioner-for-life!

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

          Yeah, that’s what Keith said…Bud Selig basically sentenced Jim Joyce as the man that stole a perfect game from Galaragga for the rest of his life. After the game Joyce seemed more broken up about it than Galaragga.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

            So Keith wants to replay every close play in every game from now on? Because as a practical matter, that’s what he’s arguing for.

            • Jose the Satirist

              Where did you get that idea from? That isn’t what he is arguing at all.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                Yes it is. How do you decide which plays get reviewed and which don’t? So many plays could affect the game, all the way down to Balls and Strikes. Challenge flag? What if Leyland already used it in the 3rd inning? Back to square 1.

                Also, the blown call from last night didn’t affect the outcome of the game. The team that was supposed to win still did. Team interests trump individual ones every time you have to choose. It’s not as simple as Keith is making it.

                • Jose the Satirist

                  “How do you decide which plays get reviewed and which don’t?”

                  I’m pretty sure Keith was only talking about this one game. This isn’t an umbrella decision. This is a game that changing one thing doesn’t really hurt anyone. It only acts to correct a major wrong.

                  “Team interests trump individual ones every time you have to choose.”

                  What? The whole Detroit team knows Armando deserves it. The Indians know he deserves it. Jason Donald knows he deserves it. The Umpires know he deserves. Baseball fans know he deserves it. Give it to him. It has nothing to do with team vs. individual interests.

                  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                    You can’t write a rule for one game. Put yourself in Buds shoes, and write an MLB rule that will fix this from now on, one that doesn’t create more problems than it solves.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      He doesn’t need a new rule. He has the privilege to change this rarest of rare circumstances.

                      What exactly is your argument? That you have to fix other games? That there isn’t a way to change this game? That it will cause some negatives that outweigh the positives?

                      All of those things aren’t true.

                    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                      If Bud overturns this, there will 1,000 more important games where the team W/L based on a bad call, which is far more important that some individual feat. He could literally spend every day working some team crying the game was affected. It’s a can of worms that will never be closed.

                      Also, writing a narrow rule that fixes this is impossible. Baseball is too situational, too interconnected, and 95% of the time the reviews will be am utter waste of time. You’d have to review all close calls, so if you don’t have a lightning fast system all you’re doing is killing the game.

                      It seems simple to fix, but it isn’t. Olbermann is the dolt here, not Bud.

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      “If Bud overturns this, there will 1,000 more important games”

                      You’re expanding this to more games. You don’t have to. This isn’t like those 1,000 other games or the even larger number of games with mistakes that didn’t change the Win or Loss result.

                      “Also, writing a narrow rule that fixes this is impossible.”

                      He doesn’t have to write a new rule. He could make the change at any time. He has the power.

                      “Olbermann is the dolt here, not Bud.”

                      So for understanding a change is reasonable he is a dolt? Are the 70-80% people who think it should be changed in polls also dolts? What about many respected sports writers and journalists?

                      I understand you don’t want to alter other games. That would be a can of worms. I’m telling you, that you wouldn’t have to.

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                      I like the blatant strawmans that Nostra-Artist sets up. So if this call is reversed, there’s 1000s of other calls that will immediately have to be reviewed…not necessarily. This call just gives Galaragga what he earned, a perfect game and Jason Donald an out where he had a hit.

                      Hell Ty Cobb lost a hit a while ago too…it’s not that big of a deal. Just give the man what he earned and let justice happen just once in baseball. I mean, it’s one thing to not hold umpires accountable whatsoever at all; it’s another to enforce bad calls that HE REALIZES.

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

              His segment isn’t online yet…I’ll alert you when it is, basically history is on the line here…plenty of historically bad calls have been reversed in the past, this is no different.

              Me personally:

              Well certain close plays definitely…for example the blown Melky call in the 2009 ALDS, no one quite knows what happened if the ball had been called fair and how it would have played out. Would they have held? Would Melky have gotten someone at home or third? That’s up for debate. However, fair/foul, HR/foul, and safe/out at first are definite calls that should be up for replay. I personally want robot umpires, but I’ll compromise at replay.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                Here’s what Bud’s critics fail to realize. In order to deal with this, they need (both) rules on what plays can/can’t be reviewed and a system in place to do so in a way that doesn’t take all day. Whether a runner is safe/out at First base (in isolation) is way down on the list of things to review. Safe/out at Home plate would be way more important. But what if the out at 1B is the 3rd out of an inning and the safe call allows a runner to score from 3B? What about fair/foul calls down the line? That can be the difference between a run scoring ground rule double or a meaningless strike.

                Baseball is WAY too interconnected to make one simplistic rule. As a practical matter, you’d HAVE to review EVERYTHING, which will take all day.

                • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

                  Safe/out at any base on the third out of the inning should be reviewable, and pretty cut and dried (lost in the shuffle over Galarraga last night was an even more important in the grand scheme of things blown call because this one might have actually changed the outcome of a game)

                  If it’s not the third out, that’s where things get messy

                  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist

                    Why? If there’s no one on base, why waste 5 minutes of review on a guy who be stranded on the bases 85% of the time? What if the score is 12-0? Do you still want to review that?

                    • Jose the Satirist

                      Because that 15% of the time where he isn’t stranded is game-changing.

                      Not that I want to get into a instant replay discussion in addition to the Armando discussion.

                    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

                      Well, no one on base is pretty easy too–if it takes as short a time as it should (no more than a minute or two), then there is no reason not to review it–get the calls right. If it turns out that it takes longer to review than that, then institute some sort of challenge system. Calls on the bases are challengeable, balls and strikes are not

                    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack
                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

                  Not really, they could say it’s in the best interest of baseball that historic events be gotten right…and since a perfect game is a historic event , you should probably get that right.

                  Here’s his take, right here:

                  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30....._olbermann

  • http://thinkingoutsideofthebattersbox.blogspot.com/ W.W.J.M.D.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuRPMhqJTXw

    Watch that video. Galarraga gets the perfect game if Cabrera goes to the bag and let’s the second baseman field it. I’m thinking it’s an easier play.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/ Nostra-Artist
  • thurdonpaul

    i was at todays game, i sat in the audi club. it was nice, fancy food etc… but it was kinda like watching the game on a HUGEEE tv screen because you didnt really feel like you were at the game.

    im curious what other peoples opinions of the audi club are.

  • Tom Zig

    If/When Bryce Harper becomes a regular major leaguer, will be considered gritty or will he be considered disrespecting the sanctity of the game?

    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

      Gritty–teh eye black!

      • Tom Zig

        LoL I love the aura in the background. Did you read the article someone posted in the off topic thread? The third page is pretty awesome.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I love eye black but that’s ridiculous

        • Tom Zig

          No. It’s absolutely necessary. If I were Bryce Harper I’d have tons of obnoxious eye-black, and I’d Manny Ramirez every homerun.

          • Tom Zig

            How boring would he be if Bryce Harper acted like Jeter? There’d be nothing to talk about.

            • poster

              THAT IS WHY I HATE DEREK JETER!!!!111!!eleventy!

              • Tom Zig

                Not sure where you’re going with this.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Hahahahah you have a fantastic point actually.

          • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

            I’d Manny Ramirez Lastings Milledge every homerun

  • http://instrumentsacrosstheworld.com Total Dominication

    Bartlett is on the DL.

    • poster

      Am I a bad person for trying very hard not to be happy about this?

      I feel bad for Bartlett, but still…

      I know, I know. Never root for opposing players to get injured. I’ll shut up now.

    • forensicnucchem

      Based on his numbers so far this season, I really wonder how much it’s actually going to hurt them though.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    in case you missed it, by the way:
    http://dumbshitireadonnyyfans.tumblr.com/

    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

      Who the hell said that Mo was hitting 95 today out of panic?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Someone who says dumb things routinely.

        • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

          I don’t think Mo even knows how to panic

    • Tom Zig

      I can’t believe people like that exist

    • pat

      Oh my god that shit is awesome. I signed up for it a few months ago because my friend convinced me it was a bastion of intelligent, even keeled fans. As that site illustrates, it’s nothing but Lohud in a tuxedo.

      • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

        This stuff is even worse than LoHud

        • Tom Zig

          ESPN comments are probably the worst. Okay maybe the NYPost/NYDailyNews commenters are worse.

          FanNation is pretty brutal too.

          • poster

            yesnetwork.com

            • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

              Anywhere on SBN…really, anywhere but here

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Some SBN sites are awesome and hilarious. I dunno how Pinstripe – Nation? Alley? whatever the Yankee site is – is. The one time I went there they were all talking about how Pettitte is a HOFer and they all hated Nick Johnson so I’m guessing it’s not great.

                • pat

                  It’s annoying. Like any site, there’s a few people who know their shit, but for the most part it’s young and reactionary.

                • Tom Zig

                  2 words:

                  halos heaven

                  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                    I’ve heard that Halos Heaven is the worst of those SB Nation sites by FAR. On the other hand, the Mariners site is aaaaaaaaamaaaaaaazing. So is uhh I think it’s the White Sox site?

                    • Tom Zig

                      I rarely venture to non-yankee blogs. Which Mariners site? USS Mariner?

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                      Lookout Landing I think it is? I don’t visit them regularly.

                    • Tom Zig

                      I see I see.

                    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

                      Some of the sites themselves are quite good–I was referring more to the comments sections

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            As bad as LoHud and NYYFans and the like are, at least people SOMETIMES say intelligent things there. ESPN comments are bad, so are MLB.com’s. NYPost/News comments are the WOOOOORST.

            • Tom Zig

              yeah NYYFans i feel gets a bad rap because of a bunch of idiots. My friend who loves the Yanks as much as we all do and loves advanced stats frequents there. He swears by it.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                NYYFans has moderation issues and idiots run around, but it’s mostly okay. But the stupid stuff people say is *so* stupid.

            • pat

              They really shouldn’t even count. There is literally nothing worthwhile in the comment sections of the papers, ESPN or any other huge website like aol or mlb.com

        • pat

          I just can’t stand any of them. Everybody pretends like they know what the heck they’re talking about when they’re clearly pulling stuff out of their ass and making definitive live or die statements every day. Hardly any of them understand the tenet that baseball is played almost every single day for 6 months straight. A guy can look like shit for two weeks and set the world on fire for another, you need to be able to look at the big picture, which few of them can.

    • Accent Shallow

      Yikes.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

      Some of that stuff isn’t dumb…

  • pat

    I love jeff Van Gundy. IMO he’s one of the best announcers in sports today. he is extremely, extremely knowledgeable, funny and self deprecating. JVG is all good in my book.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Plus one.

    • Drew

      I like him because he doesn’t give a shit. He speaks his mind and doesn’t have to watch what he says because he’s hot right now. He could get a coaching job, or a broadcasting job easy. In some ways he’s like Barkley, only not an idiot.

      • pat

        Hahah, nice analogy. He had me laughing as he just called out D Wade saying he could easily beat him in a game of Connect Four.

        • Drew

          FWIW, I like Mark Jackson too, I don’t always agree with him though.

          • pat

            On cue he amkes a remark about Kobe’s focus and shows a clip of Chris Rock joking around and Kobe is completely stone faced sitting next to him concentrating on the game.

  • Brandon

    My beeeezy for the fantasy question, but if you had to drop one, would you drop Kelly Johnson or Howie Kendrick? I can’t decide how legit Johnson’s been because his babip is still low but Kendrick’s a second half guy and would probably run shit right when i drop him. What shall I do? Keeper league btw.

    • Tom Zig

      Drop Kendrick.

      • Brandon

        Done. Why thank you Mr. Zig.

        • Tom Zig

          You are welcome Mr. Brandon.

  • rek4gehrig

    I miss Yankee baseball…Go Lakers

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    I hate 14 hour days.

    • Tom Zig

      I worked 12 today. So I feel your pain. But you suffered more

    • pat

      I have to work the Cotto fight at the Stadium for 14 hrs straight on Saturday o_0

      • pat

        That sounds bitchy, I was meant I *get*

        • Tom Zig

          Yeah I’m not too sure what’s wrong with working the Cotto fight?

          • pat

            Heh, yea I flaked for a sec. Hit send a little quickly.

            • Drew

              It will be a manageable 14 hours.

              /Kay’d

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Next time I go to the Stadium, I’m looking for any person with a “Pat” nametag and asking “Are you the RAB Pat?” until I run into you.

        • pat

          People know me, I’m kind of a big deal.

          /ID card only opens like three doors in the whole place.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            It’s seriously amazing that you work at the Stadium, though. Horribly jealous.

            • pat

              Hah, thanks. Even though I do the job that a trained primate or simple computer program could do, I love it.There’s always job opening, just go to yankees.com and click on the employment opportunities’ link on the bottom.

          • pat

            Oh and for realz, if you’re ever goin to a game lemme know. I can try and hook it up or I’ll buy you a roofie colada beer.

        • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Check the women’s bathrooms.

          • pat

            Steve, what your mother and I do is none of your business.

            • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

              Heh.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama
    • Accent Shallow

      Wait, it’s a 101 page slideshow?

      /head explodes

    • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS
      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Hahah that site is gross though, the thing I posted definitely is not

        • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

          True. But that’s all I can think of when I hear the words “food porn”

  • pat

    Lulz.In the Juco World Series Bryce Harper got called out on what looks like a really shitty strike three call in the other batters box. As he’s walking back to the dugout he draws a line in the box where he thought the pitch was and was immediately ejected. Because he was tossed from another game earlier in the season he’s facing a 2 game suspension, which could mean he’s played his last game in college. The whole story is on deadspin, but here’s the video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....r_embedded

    • pat

      OOps, definitely wasn’t the Juco World Series. Just a regular playoff game, I meant to change that.

    • Drew

      How on earth do you call that a strike.. God I hate umpires..

      BTW, just got the link to Jim Joyce’s post game press conference from last night. As pissed as I was at him last night, I honestly feel bad. He seems like he may be one of the good ones, the antithesis of Joe West. …I wish Joe West made that call.

      • pat

        Yeah, the fact that no players are jumping on him I think is indicative of his reputation. If Joe West makes that call I’m not sure he leaves the field unassaulted.

        • http://www.soxandpinstripes.net JGS

          Or it’s indicative of the fact that he knows he screwed up and would fix it if he could. He has handled it about as well as it possibly could be handled

          • Drew

            I’d say it’s a bit of both. He has handled it as well as he could, but he still blew something that has only happened 26(?) times in history. If the players didn’t respect him, I imagine we’d be hearing a lot more out of them.

  • pat

    I’ll tell you what sucks, when the people you were stealing impeccable internet from move and you’re stuck with a couple shitty connections from elsewhere.

    Damn you Siena Alumni!