Yanks among several teams interested in Luis Heredia
ByVia MLBTR, the Yankees are among seven teams interested in 15-year-old (!!!) Mexican righty Luis Heredia, considered one of the top arms available on the international market this year. There’s a pretty big hurdle to clear though, the Mexican club that controls his rights has to make him available, and it could take upwards of $2MM to sign him. The Yanks have as strong a presence in Mexico as any team, especially with the success of Al Aceves to their credit.
Meanwhile, the Yanks lost out on another top international prospect when Carlos Matias agreed to a seven-figure deal with the Cardinals. The Yanks were supposedly in on the righty who flirts with triple-digits. Since they don’t pick until 32nd overall in Monday’s draft, it’s been speculated that the Yanks could walk away with two top talents during the July 2nd international signing period (sub. req’d). You can see video of this year’s top prospects at BA’s Prospects Blog, just scroll down a bit.
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15!!!!?? I feel like I’m getting older every year…
You are.
Psshh, You Wish.
Red Sox have 4 of the first 57 picks and Blue Jays have 10 of first 126 picks in this draft. SO Yanks need to make up the ground somewhere.
Yankees have more wins than the Red Sox or the Blue Jays, so I see it as being the other way around… It’s those teams that need to make up ground on the Yankees.
I’m not sure the two are mutually tied.
I do think that with the slotting system being attempted, and a world wide draft, it would benefit the Yankees to sign four or five top Dominican free agents. I would think the 8 million it would take would be well worth the risk, since there will not be the chance to draft high end talent due to falling in the draft.
they have to be dominican?
if they are lucky either of those teams might end up with a pair of elite catching prospects
Red Sox have 4 of the first 57 picks and Blue Jays have 10 of first 126 picks in this draft.
SO Yanks need to make up the ground somewhere.Fixed that for you.
+1
The Redsox and Blue Jays are trying to catch up to the Yankees.
Woah…lets stop acting like the BJs ability to build a strong farm and Boston’s big money in the first 60 picks isn’t a big deal. They’re pretty close to the Yankees and it’s not all about this year. Four key players (Derek, Alex, Jorge, and Pettitte) for the Yankees are getting old, AJ’s signed long term, but really how much longer can you expect top end production out of him? Two, maybe three years (if he’s lucky)? Aside from blowing games in the 9th to the D-Rays, Toronto’s a great team, and they’re going to get better. After this year Boston’s in great shape, the Lackey contract is really the only burden they have, Lowell, Ortiz, Martinez, and Beltre are coming off the books…they have three superb starters locked up for the next three years and a good core for the offense in Pedroia, Youkilis, and Ellsbury all of which produce and all of which are signed cheaply. Not to mention Tampa, whom the Yankees need to catch up too…which you guys may have forgotten. To act like the Yankees don’t need to do something with the farm in such a tough division is ridiculous. While I may disagree that the Yankees are behind Toronto and Boston organizationally, with both teams having a gang of draft picks, a smart GM, and are willing to spend big money on the draft…I realize the Yankees need to put forth a great effort on the farm too.
You make a fair point. However, having a bunch of high pick guarantees you nothing.
You’re taking the pessimistic view on the Yankees future (not even mentioning the names Sabathia, Cano, Hughes, Joba, Teixiera, Granderson, Gardner, Cervelli, Robertson… Montero, Romine, McAllister… Cliff Lee… heck 5 years from now the Yanks could have managed to acquire Strasburg or Greinke or Lincecum or Hernandez)
No one is saying that the Yankees are kings of the world and can just put their organization into idle. It’s just that you also don’t have to “catch up” with a bunch of high draft picks that have the odds stacked against them to even make the big leauges. You just have to do a good job running your organization. That’s all you can control. The Yankees cannot control who the Sox/Jays/Rays draft and how they develop, outside of the players they draft before them.
Unless the CBA changes the Rays have an uphill battle to remain a contender. Carl Crawford, Evan Longoria, David Price… in 5 years when this Heredia kid MAY, possibly, potentially be ready to nibble a bit in the big leagues for a September call-up… there’s probably just as good a chance those 3 players are in Yankees uniforms as Rays uniforms. The Rays have done a great job, but their team is still built around very high draft picks that they got by being terrible and will have a hard time resigning. Zobrist is the same age as Granderson and CC Sabathia, Barlett is as old as Tex, Pena is 32. Price is the same age as Phil Hughes.
The Red Sox have 2 or 3 starters under 30. Youklis is 31. Beckett is 30. Ellsbury is crap. Gardner was an afterthought in the Yanks organization and is every bit as good. Yankees have Papelbon’s #.
Blue Jays average everyday starter is in their late 20s and their staff is good but not great. I can’t see them lasting all season anyway, but they’re not a huge threat to improve from this point with their major league talent: they need some big prospects to come through to get anywhere. Travis Snyder is their only everyday guy in his early 20s you have to *expect* will get better from here. Brett Wallace could be a solid bat, but not Albert Pujols. And Kyle Drabek looks good, but not Roy Halladay good.
I’ll address these in order:
“However, having a bunch of high pick guarantees you nothing.”
True, however lets look at the Boston’s past few top draft picks (supplemental and first rounders)
05: First, Jacoby Ellsbury and Craig Hansen…yeah bad pick supplemental picks: Michael Bowden and Clay Buchholz. Buchholz will be a fixture in the rotation, and he’s cost controlled until his late 20s. Mike Bowden, isn’t fit to pitch in the AL East…however, much like Ian Kennedy, if traded to the NL, he has a chance to succeed. He still holds value as a potential trade chip. Ellsbury is cost controlled, and a pretty good value pre-arb, he can also be used as a trade chip. He’s not a bad player like quite a few people around these parts think he is.
06: First, Jason Place and Dan Bard supplemental: Caleb Clay. Not the most impressive class, but they do have their future closer cost controlled. Still a major league asset.
07: Only one pick, Nick Hagadone…used as a pretty big piece in the Victor Martinez trade, god knows that Justin Masterson isn’t good enough to be a centerpiece for an everyday player.
08: Casey Kelly 1st Bryan Price supp. Casey Kelly is an outstanding pitching prospect, and a top 20 prospect in all of baseball. Bryan Price, IIRC was used in the V-Mart trade as well.
So it seems for Boston that their first round selections have turned out very well, and most of them have contributed to the team in some way. Most of all they are cost controlled. The Blue Jays haven’t been as successful, however they just hired a new bright GM with a name I can’t spell. Especially since they’ve been this good without Halladay or Burnett, I’d be concerned what they can do with more young talent in their system.
“You’re taking the pessimistic view on the Yankees future (not even mentioning the names Sabathia, Cano, Hughes, Joba, Teixiera, Granderson, Gardner, Cervelli, Robertson… Montero, Romine, McAllister… Cliff Lee… heck 5 years from now the Yanks could have managed to acquire Strasburg or Greinke or Lincecum or Hernandez)”
Well, I believe organizations should operate under pessimistic assumptions, meaning that I believe that they should over-prepare. Sabathia’s also getting up there in age, and his K/BB has been in decline ever since his monster 2008. I still think he’s a good player, I just feel that they should be prepared for an opt out or should his effectiveness decrease. Cano and Teixeira are creeping up on 30 here soon, I still believe that at least Teixeira will be effective for years to come, I’m also fairly confident that Cano will perform quite well until his contract is up. Granderson, isn’t what I would call young, but he is a damn good player and the Yankees are lucky to have him, but again he’s also getting close to 30. Gardner and Hughes have been dreams come true so far…whether or not the other shoe will drop I’m still kinda waiting on, then again I like to play things conservatively. Joba Chamberlain? I’m not saying give up on him, but, where he is at right now with his velocity on his fastball and his slider he’s not long for the big leagues. Especially as a starter, I may be overreacting but I think it’s time for the Yankees to think about doing with Chamberlain what the Jays did with Halladay and break him down and build him back up from scratch. I realize young pitchers struggle, but he’s not struggling in the way that say Brian Matusz is struggling this year…he’s just bad. I realize that Hughes went through a stretch with diminished stuff, but he eventually came back and well…we saw last night what he’s capable of, so I remain hopeful that the same can happen with Chamberlain…I’m just don’t think it’s going to. Cervelli’s a back up catcher, the a fore mentioned Brett Gardner has three more home runs than he does. You’re right, Romine, McAllister, and Montero (not to mention guys like Banuelos, CoJo, and some of the recent draftees) are great players to have in the farm. I personally view McAllister as a LR or a trade chip…but still those are good players to have in the system. I’m not saying the Yankees are a bad organization I’m saying they need to get better since the rest of the AL East is getting better. As to Cliffton? Yeah I’d like him depending on the deal, but that’s a ways off from now. As to Greinke, Lincecum (SWOON), or Strasburg (little early to mention him with Timmy)…yeah they have a shot at trading for one, but it will take a prospect with high upside and high likelihood. Someone like a high ceiling IFA signing like a Montero (if he was still raking in AAA) or a pitcher with top flight stuff and good control (maybe it’s Luis Heredia), so even to acquire someone like that the Yankees need to keep restocking that warchest (the farm)
“No one is saying that the Yankees are kings of the world and can just put their organization into idle. It’s just that you also don’t have to “catch up” with a bunch of high draft picks that have the odds stacked against them to even make the big leauges. You just have to do a good job running your organization. That’s all you can control. The Yankees cannot control who the Sox/Jays/Rays draft and how they develop, outside of the players they draft before them. ”
Oh I get you, just the attitude regarding the team is a bit high around here, and I kinda wanted to bring everyone back down to earth. Acquiring high ceiling IFAs is a good thing no matter what. Especially with the rest of the AL East getting better, yes the Yankees can’t control how the rest of the AL East drafts, they just have to draft better and flex more muscle in Latin America and other foreign markets.
“Unless the CBA changes the Rays have an uphill battle to remain a contender. Carl Crawford, Evan Longoria, David Price… in 5 years when this Heredia kid MAY, possibly, potentially be ready to nibble a bit in the big leagues for a September call-up… there’s probably just as good a chance those 3 players are in Yankees uniforms as Rays uniforms. The Rays have done a great job, but their team is still built around very high draft picks that they got by being terrible and will have a hard time resigning. Zobrist is the same age as Granderson and CC Sabathia, Barlett is as old as Tex, Pena is 32. Price is the same age as Phil Hughes.”
I wouldn’t be so sure about this…if they do end up winning it all this year, I hope they don’t, that may change ownership’s spending habits. Especially if they get a new park and more fans show up. Between this year and last year, they’ve proved to the city of Tampa that they’re a legit contender and a good team. More fans will begin to show up, especially once they get a less depressing place to play. They’re a very well ran team either way though, and have shown the ability to acquire great players via trade at very little cost to them. Hell, they’ll probably dump Bossman Jr. and get something good out of him and move Desmond Jennings into CF. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Tampa.
“The Red Sox have 2 or 3 starters under 30. Youklis is 31. Beckett is 30. Ellsbury is crap. Gardner was an afterthought in the Yanks organization and is every bit as good. Yankees have Papelbon’s #.”
Well…I dunno, pitchers can still be successful into their 30s (hell, look at AJ), and while Youkilis is getting older he hasn’t been an everyday player for as long as most 31 year olds in MLB so h e has less wear and tear on his body. That and I think he made a deal with the devil and his face is the scar he has to wear from making said deal. Ellsbury is a great value pre-free agency…there’s tons of teams that they can trade him too and get a good return. As to Papelbon? Yeah, he may be at the end of his rope, but they have Dan Bard waiting in the wings.
“Blue Jays average everyday starter is in their late 20s and their staff is good but not great. I can’t see them lasting all season anyway, but they’re not a huge threat to improve from this point with their major league talent: they need some big prospects to come through to get anywhere. Travis Snyder is their only everyday guy in his early 20s you have to *expect* will get better from here. Brett Wallace could be a solid bat, but not Albert Pujols. And Kyle Drabek looks good, but not Roy Halladay good.”
Well it won’t last all season, but that’s mostly because one division isn’t going to have four teams with 90 wins. That being said, they’re a contender in any division besides the AL East. Ricky Romero, Shawn Marcum, and Brett Cecil are pretty good pitchers…especially Romero. Brandon Morrow also at one point in time had a promising future too, lets not forget about that so quickly. Kyle Drabek and Brett Wallace don’t need to be Pujols or Halladay. When was the last time a WS winning team had a contributor on the level of either of those guys? 2006 Cardinals with Albert Pujols. If they’re well above average players (OPS+ of 125ish for Wallace and an FIP of around 3.7-3.8 for Drabek) those are two pretty big assets. Either way they have a smart GM and we’ve seen in the past what a smart GM can do for a team.
My main point is simply that the Yankees do not need to waste their time worrying about the Sox/Jays/Rays drafts. That’s not in their control. It would be a mistake to react to their competitors’ high number of draft picks by changing their organizational strategy. If the Bosses want to make the pie bigger to go after in IFAs in what might be the last year to do so, ok, but don’t suddenly spend a higher % of your resources on IFAs just because your rivals have a few extra picks. The Yankees need to worry about their own organization. Their own organization is healthy and I’m sure they’re going to do their best to keep it that way. Cashman’s track record is as good as any GM’s, so I could really care less who is running the Sox/Jays/Rays.
As a fan there’s no need to take the most pessimistic possible view about the Yankees and the most optimistic possible view of every other organization. Sabathia is 29 years old, yet you call him old and exhault the “youth movements” of teams with guys who aren’t much if any younger. Even Lester is only 3.5 years younger than CC.
You talk about how all the Yankees are “close to 30,” but guess what… so are most of the core players on the Sox, Jays, and even Rays. You talk about how Youklis has this great bright future ahead of him full of rainbows and butterflies, but Tex is younger than him.
Joba will never be any good, Frankie’s a back-up, Gradner stinks… right… Most teams not named the Yankees would be psyched to have a young catcher like Cervelli. He’s 3rd in line to be Yankees’ C of the future, with 3 other young prospects right there as well. Better than Dioner Navarro. Joe Buck is really hot this season, but Frankie looks as good as Buck’s career #s. The Sox aren’t thrilled with Victor as their C. Gardner looks just about as good as the AMAZING AND INCREDIBLE rainbows and butterflies Jacoby Ellsbury.
“Acquiring high ceiling IFAs is a good thing no matter what.”
Within their budget I’m quite sure the Yankees are going for the IFAs they see as the best values. Every time some 29 year old with a passport that says he’s 19 defects from Cuba the Yankees don’t have to pay him $10 million though. When it costs you too much money signing high ceiling IFAs IS A BAD THING. Unless the kid is really can’t miss you’re just putting all your eggs into one basket.
re: Tampa… Marlins won a couple of WS and they’re not suddenly popular in Miami. The As had the moneyball thing going and still play in a total craphole stadium is a much bigger market than Tampa. Cleveland loved the Indians when they were good and now they have to literally give away tickets because no one cares. Even if everyone in Tampa loves the Rays, it’s still a small, crappy market. There will still be more Yanks fans there than Rays fans even if they win. Crawford maybe they can pay to stay, but he’s not that great. If Longoria and Price continue their career arcs, they won’t be able to afford to pay them around $20 mill per and still have a team. Sucks, but those are the rules as of now.
“he hasn’t been an everyday player for as long as most 31 year olds in MLB so h e has less wear and tear on his body”
Total BS. Show me any proof that the number of ML innings you play takes away your effectiveness. The 130 games Youklis played his 2 full minor league seasons magically didn’t wear on his body?
JP Riccardi was hailed as a savior for the Jays organization, too. I’m just honestly not too worried about them. If 5 years from now they’re any good, good for them. The Orioles might be good by then too. I’m not going to worry about it, though.
“My main point is simply that the Yankees do not need to waste their time worrying about the Sox/Jays/Rays drafts. That’s not in their control. It would be a mistake to react to their competitors’ high number of draft picks by changing their organizational strategy. If the Bosses want to make the pie bigger to go after in IFAs in what might be the last year to do so, ok, but don’t suddenly spend a higher % of your resources on IFAs just because your rivals have a few extra picks. The Yankees need to worry about their own organization. Their own organization is healthy and I’m sure they’re going to do their best to keep it that way. Cashman’s track record is as good as any GM’s, so I could really care less who is running the Sox/Jays/Rays. ”
Oh I agree…Cashman’s a good GM I’m not saying that just because they have a few extra picks or anything, just that they need to not only keep pace but exceed that pace. Other teams are stepping up their pace, the Yankees should follow suit. Resting on your laurels is a death sentence in baseball.
“As a fan there’s no need to take the most pessimistic possible view about the Yankees and the most optimistic possible view of every other organization. Sabathia is 29 years old, yet you call him old and exhault the “youth movements” of teams with guys who aren’t much if any younger. Even Lester is only 3.5 years younger than CC.
You talk about how all the Yankees are “close to 30,” but guess what… so are most of the core players on the Sox, Jays, and even Rays. You talk about how Youklis has this great bright future ahead of him full of rainbows and butterflies, but Tex is younger than him.”
See this is what I hate…you can’t point out that the Yankees have some issues without saying the Yankees suck. Why is that? Why can’t we just recognize that the teams have flaws without also recognizing that the Yankees are a good team. As to Youkilis…a .400+ wOBA the past two years that’s rising, and he’s on pace for 30+ HRs. He’s a great player, as is Teixeira, but he’s definitely someone to worry about the next three years…even though when viewed in HD he sears the eyes. Yes CC is getting up there in age, and he’s declining since 2008…this is true, does this mean he’s a bad pitcher? Absolutely not, he was a key part in 27 and I’m glad he’s on the team.
“Joba will never be any good, Frankie’s a back-up, Gradner stinks… right… Most teams not named the Yankees would be psyched to have a young catcher like Cervelli. He’s 3rd in line to be Yankees’ C of the future, with 3 other young prospects right there as well. Better than Dioner Navarro. Joe Buck is really hot this season, but Frankie looks as good as Buck’s career #s. The Sox aren’t thrilled with Victor as their C. Gardner looks just about as good as the AMAZING AND INCREDIBLE rainbows and butterflies Jacoby Ellsbury.”
Never said any of this except Cervelli’s a back up. He has ZERO home runs and a track record of well below average power in the minors. Lets be realistic about this. Brett Gardner ALWAYS had legit questions about being a fulltime starter…is he answering them? Yeah, he’s making great progress in on this, but lets not pretend that he’s going to have an .800 OPS until he reaches free agency. As to Joba, yeah…I said this before:
2010 FB v. 2007-2008 FB
35.8% v. 3.5% of FB at 93 or lower.
4.1% v. 46.8% of FB at 97 mph or higher.
That’s a huge issue, and one that should cause serious, legitimate might I add, concern. It’s not like we can look at that and say “it’s all going to be fine.”
“re: Tampa… Marlins won a couple of WS and they’re not suddenly popular in Miami. The As had the moneyball thing going and still play in a total craphole stadium is a much bigger market than Tampa. Cleveland loved the Indians when they were good and now they have to literally give away tickets because no one cares. Even if everyone in Tampa loves the Rays, it’s still a small, crappy market. There will still be more Yanks fans there than Rays fans even if they win. Crawford maybe they can pay to stay, but he’s not that great. If Longoria and Price continue their career arcs, they won’t be able to afford to pay them around $20 mill per and still have a team. Sucks, but those are the rules as of now. ”
Definitely true, however, Tampa might be different…mainly, the situation in Tampa is tied up in the politics of St. Pete.
“Total BS. Show me any proof that the number of ML innings you play takes away your effectiveness. The 130 games Youklis played his 2 full minor league seasons magically didn’t wear on his body? ”
Fair enough, he wasn’t facing major league pitching and at the rate he sweats that might be an issue.
“JP Riccardi was hailed as a savior for the Jays organization, too. I’m just honestly not too worried about them. If 5 years from now they’re any good, good for them. The Orioles might be good by then too. I’m not going to worry about it, though.”
Okay, Alex Anthopoulos takes shits that would make a better GM than JP. Lets get that straight right away, and I wasn’t saying five years from now…I was saying OVER the next five years. Which is mainly why I remain concerned with them and mainly why I think the Yankees need to kick the farm system in the ass. They lost a lot of talent to trades last year (not saying it’s a bad thing) and it needs to be restocked. The farm system constantly needs to be revitalized, I don’t see what’s so wrong with looking at what the competition and trying to one up them.
The more lottery tickets you buy, the better your odds of winning. I approve.
Yeah, but you also have to consider the opportunity cost. (Forgetting for a minute that you have almost no chance of winning the lottery…) You have to consider how else you could spend that money. What else could you buy with or invest in with that $10,000 you just dumped into lottery tickets? Forgetting the lottery analogy, if you can spend $10 million on Latin prospects with a X% chance you develop one good-amazing ML player and maybe a X% you get at least one guy who even makes the majors, or you can spend $10 million on a proven ML player… I’m definitely not saying just ignore IFA, but there is an opportunity cost to spending your money there.
The economics of it are important, but the free agent spending budget and the budget for the draft and international free agent market are two separate entities within the Yankees expenses. This way they can avoid thinking about opportunity cost and make better decisions with the money they have alotted to drafting and signing IFAs. Do you think that if Gary Sanchez wasnt signed last year they would have spent an extra 3 million on a bench player or something of that nature? I doubt it. The budgets are separate from eachother and unrelated.
What I’m saying is that you have to consider which basket to put your eggs into.
The bugets are not unrelated and are both part of a larger organizational budget/strategy. It’s not like those two budgets are set in stone by God: someone in the Yankees organization is deciding how to spread the resources. The Yankees don’t go around buying all the “lottery tickets” they can and out-bidding other teams for every IFA because they’ve only allocated so much to signing IFAs.
If there were a 75% chance of 16 year old IFAs reaching their potential the Yankees would probably budget a lot more in that direction, and if there were a 0.001% chance a lot less.
I don’t think the Yankees put all their eggs in the IFA basket, they spend quite a bit of money on the draft too; and when you’re the Yankees you really don’t acquire prospects via trade either. However, the IFA market has treated the Yankees well: Alfredo Aceves, Arodys Vizcaino (still miss him
) is still performing well despite being traded, Melky Cabrera, Robinson Cano, and Jesus Montero. All of those guys have contributed to the Yankees in a big way in some way or another, and Montero’s a top five prospect. They have other guys that are a ways away, and yeah some of them have busted and others didn’t (and won’t) live up to their potential…but that’s every prospect. How about Matt Bush? Dellin Betances? Carmen Angelini? CJ Henry? (though they did use him to get Abreu) Plus, the biggest busts of all: Joba Chamberlain and Andrew Brackman.
All kidding aside, yes the IFA market carries some risks…as does the draft. Hell, Cole didn’t even sign…they didn’t even get a chance to see if he’d be a bust or not. Smart teams need to acquire players from both sources, especially teams that draft in the later picks…it’s a great way for them to have the same access to top flight prospects as everyone else does.
Captain Jack,
See the comment that this tangent started with: “The more lottery tickets you buy, the better your odds of winning. I approve.”
No one said the Yankees are putting all their eggs into any one basket or really anything specific about which basket the Yankees are putting their eggs into. I was just saying that there is an argument against going out and buying a bunch of lottery tickets, both literally and in the baseball related analogy.
“Throw enough shit at the wall and some’s bound to stick”
I mean…I really don’t see the argument against signing this kid, he’d be a welcome addition to the farm system, and I really don’t think he’d crush the Yankees’ budget to the level where they can’t afford other IFAs or to go overslot in the draft. Didn’t everyone here also want Michael Iona?
It all depends how much he costs, what the Yankees think of him, and what other IFAs are going to be available. If the Yankees aren’t psyched about his prospects and the bidding gets above what they’re willing to pay… why would they sign him? Maybe they think he’s great and the price is right, so they sign him. I’m just saying you can’t go out and sign every single IFA. I’ll trust the Yankees’ judgement and not just blindly call for them to sign a bunch of teenagers I’ve never seen play.
If your ideal organization, by the way, is just running around and throwing shit at walls without thinking about it because some is bound to stick… not sure what to say.
Again, you’re taking things out of context. Some IFA signings bust…just because they might bust or the rate of success is low is no reason to stop investing in them. You can’t win if you don’t play.
Look extremely raw guys like Jesus Montero, Robinson Cano, and Melky Cabrera were once extremely raw IFA signings that cost a lot of money. Saying that “it’s nothing to see here” is extremely ignorant here. If BA writes an article about him, there’s clearly something worth investigating there…if the Yankees are in on him, there’s something to see there. I hope they get him…I don’t see what’s wrong with saying that. Yeah he might bust, that’s the way prospects work…some bust some boom. Shit happens.
When I first glanced at this headline, I read “Felix” rather than “Luis”. That unlocked some bad repressed memories right there.
The Run Fairy? Screw that guy.
Are there any JulioTeheran like arms in this yr’s crop? Yanks have gotten some good results from the pitching side in Arodys, Jose Ramirez, and Banuelos in the past couple yrs. The bats … not so much aside from Montero. Somebody pls name some of the best arms Rios might sifn july 2nd.
Why do we need more arms? We already have Tim Redding(s).
Bamn!!!