Jul
25

Angels acquire Dan Haren

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Well, so much for that idea. The Angels have acquired Dan Haren from Arizona for Joe Saunders, prospects Patrick Corbin (ranked 12th in the Halos’ system by Baseball America), Rafael Rodriguez (22nd), and a player to be named later. The PTBNL is not Mike Trout, arguably the best prospect in the game, but instead a list of players the D-Backs can choose from. I have to say, I find it very hard to believe that Joe freakin’ Saunders headlined a package for Haren, but so be it.

GM Brian Cashman can now focus on his stated goals of improving the bullpen and bench, though another starting pitcher never hurts.

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  • radnom

    Oh well….

    • radnom

      Killer trade for the Angels, looks like to me.

      Although might be too little too late to catch up with Rangers at this point.

      • Adam B

        why do the dbacks want joe saunders? the yankees package was better than that.

  • BigBlueAL

    How are Patrick Corbin and Rafael Rodriguez as prospects??

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Terrible deal for Arizona, no?

    • JM

      Yeah, how was that a good deal? Saunders is 29… How could that have been better than what the Yankees could’ve offered and don’t they have 6 days to receive offers???

      • Adam B

        we were going about this the wrong way, maybe we should have offered a package centered around sergio mitre.

        • Brien Jackson

          IETCVm.

  • FachoinaNYY

    wow… reminds me some what of the Lee situation all over again.

    • http://pda.88000.org/wallpapers/48/Pikachu_Dressed_as_Hitler.jpg Do Not Feed The Trolls!

      Not really. Seattle got Smoak even though they jerked the Yankees,

      Here there was never a deal in place just offers. This one is worse becuase Saunders sucks and I have never heard of the prospects

    • voice of reason

      yeah, this is nothing at all like the Lee non-deal. The D’Backs apparently wanted a king’s ransom from the Yankees, rejected their counteroffers, and then accepted far less than what the Yankees were offering. I was glad when the Lee trade fell apart, but I’m baffled and infuriated by this.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Joe Saunders? You’ve gotta be fucking kidding me.

  • Neil

    Looks like we’re back to “one price for the Yankees, one price for everyone else.”

    • radnom

      It is too early to say here, but I agree that it does seem that the Yankees could have easily beat this package and had the interest to do so.

      If also you’re talking about the Lee trade though, I have to disagree. I think Texas’s package was just better.

      • rbizzler

        Too bad prospect experts like KLaw disagree with you.

        • radnom

          Too bad the Mariner’s disagree with them, that is really all that matters.

          Look, you can argue over which package was better but they were very comparable. It wasn’t an issue of there being a “different price for the Yankees” BS.

    • Alex S
  • frank

    The Ysnks should target Carmona.

    • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

      1.42 K/BB? Pass.

      • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

        This.

    • Accent Shallow

      Carmona intrigues me, but if the team isn’t willing to give Joba a shot in the rotation, why would they want to give Carmona a shot?

  • Ross in Jersey

    The Yankees couldn’t come up with a package better than Joe Saunders? Give me a break.

  • matt damon wayans

    Incredible, however, I am rather surprised that the Snakes didn’t throw Upton in to make the whole thing even.

  • Billy

    God forbid we trade 6 era Joba.

  • phughesisgod

    Unless Arizona plans to turn right back around and deal Saunders, they really did not do good in this deal at all.

  • Dirty Pena

    Lame.

  • ZZ

    Hopefully with Dan Haren’s contract coming to the Angels they are less likely to be serious bidders for Lee.

    • radnom

      With Dan Haren’s contract not going to the Yankees it is less likely that anyone besides the Yankees will be serious bidders for Lee.

    • Dirty Pena

      If we want Lee, there are no other serious bidders for him.

    • http://bloggingfromthebleachers.wordpress.com Aaron S.

      This would also cut into their ability to bid high for Crawford. Of course, I’m not certain what their budget is like so it’s possible the two situations are unrelated. But this would deplete how much they are capable/willing to spend this offseason.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I think they could afford both. Haren’s only making like 6M more than Saunders would have, and they won’t bring Hideki Matsui back, instead shifting Abreu to DH to clear a spot in the OF for Crawford.

        • Pete

          it’s gonna be so weird for them having an outfielder who is actually like..good at catching fly balls

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            That’s a shot at Darin Erstad.

    • ZZ

      In regard to no other teams being serious bidders because the Yankees are, that is not necessarily true.

      The Yankees went all in on CC, but the Angels were right there with them, which is why the Yankees had to up their offer to 160.

      Just because every offer is not widely reported by the media, does not mean other teams don’t make serious offers.

      • Brien Jackson

        According to Cashman, they upped their offer to 7 years and $160 million because Sabathia asked them to.

  • Gonzo

    Scotty Downs here we come!

    • Pat D

      Yea, but what are the Jays going to demand? Montero? Romine?

      I’m getting so sick of the Yankees getting jerked around by these second rate teams with their third rate front offices. I’m just so pissed off now.

    • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

      This.

      Scott Downs would be an awesome piece for our pen IMHO, he’s a lefty, he can be a great setup man, and even a closer should he need to close out some games. As always, I’d be thrilled to get him IF the price were right.

      • Evan3457

        Ahh, but what is that price? I dunno. Could be Montero. In which case…check, please.

  • Dick Whitman

    Joe Saunders LOL

  • Not Tank the Frank

    Jesus. That’s a new GM in AZ too right?

    • JM

      Not the best first impression…

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    I’ve seen an astounding number of people saying this is a bad deal… FOR THE ANGELS. Wha? Even if it’s not enough to make up this year, Weaver + Haren is a damn nice front two for the next few years, and they gave up utter garbage.

    • rbizzler

      Who are these people? Anyone respectable or just random people on twitter?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        People on Twitter.

        And Jon Heyman. (facepalm)

        • rbizzler

          So basically no one respectable as Heyman doesn’t count?!

    • Pasqua

      There is a large contingency of people who live in the “3 for 1″ dream world where quantity is more valuable than quality.

    • YankeeFan

      Don’t forget about Ervin. Nice front-3. Good deal for the Angels. Saunders is only a year younger than Haren and is HR prone and has shown nothing outside of one season. Rodriguez is fodder and Corbin’s highest level is in Hi-A. Supposedly this PTBNL is ‘outstanding’ according to a D-Backs official. I’m sure it is…:::rolls eyes:::

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

        Mike Trout.

  • frank

    Lesson to be learned- ignore any reports the Yanks are “front runners” for anyone.

    • JM

      Yeah anytime I notify anyone about the Yankees being front runners, the same day they go somewhere else.

      • Pete

        so it’s YOUR fault then

  • forensicnucchem

    IF the rumors are correct, I find it pretty hilarious how a team like the Yankees, who rarely if ever give young players a real chance to stick in the majors, vastly seem to overvalue their own prospects and repeatedly fail to get deals done, inevitably leading to them having to overspend on the FA market, continuing the never-ending cirle…

    • Pasqua

      I think you’re being too hard on the Yankees with that opinion. If Cashman had the chance to top a Saunders-led package, don’t you think he would have come up with something?

      • forensicnucchem

        Not if he’s overvaluing the players they’re asking for. That’s the whole point. Joba as a reliever has small value. McAllister has a 5 ERA in AAA, and even according to people here isn’t a future real important starter on a championship contender. Nova may be something but it’s probably unlikely he reaches Haren’s level at any point in his career, much less in the next 3-4 years. Banuelos is in A-ball, and is so far away that he won’t even sniff the majors before Haren’s deal is up. Not only that, but as it was said earlier (I think maybe in JMK’s post this morning), the window won’t be open forever and you don’t hold onto slight maybe’s when you’re in the business of trying to win Championships and need probably’s or better to do that.

        Not just that, but the Lee deal has a similar tone to it. Refusing to budge with various middling infield prospects, all of whom are blocked anyway, to get a deal for a real difference maker. That doesn’t even go back to past deals such as Halladay and others.

        To me, if you can get a great pitcher for a reportedly future DH in Montero, you do it, and based on the Yanks rumored to be involving him, obviously they don’t feel that great about his future behind the plate. You really think the Yanks are going to stick with a 21 or 22 year old DH who may be hitting .220 through 2 or 3 months next year or the year after? I sure don’t. He’ll get on the Scranton shuttle and his value will diminish each week.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Don’t pass judgement on this trade until you see what the PBTNL is.

          And don’t discount the value of Joe Saunders. Sure, he’s nothing special at all, but he’s going to take the ball every fifth day for that club and give them innings and stability, and keep them from having to go out on the free agent market and overpay some other Saundersesque back end guy a multiyear deal. That matters a lot to a rebuilding club that’s cash-strapped.

          • forensicnucchem

            The PTBNL has no bearing on what I’m talking about. It could be Jered Weaver for all I care, and that doesn’t impact all the prior trades that have the same undertones of the Yanks apparently not having a fully objective view of how they run the franchise and how to value young players with that view in mind.

        • Brien Jackson

          Well, I would just say tat you don’t really know what was offered and what wasn’t, and you’re ignoring the important factor here: the value *Arizona* places on each player.

    • Pete

      I disagree. The very purpose of KEEPING prospects is to avoid overspending on the FA market.

      Take Montero for example – he doesn’t appear to have much of a position in the future, yet it is basically essential for the yankees to hold on to him since they are going to be losing Posada and paying Jeter and A-Rod a lot of money to be worse than they are now in the future. Montero’s high-quality $400,000 bat will be vital to the yankees withering the approaching era of falling stars

      • forensicnucchem

        For other franchises, yes, keeping prospects can help avoid overspending, but the Yanks don’t give them long chances like other organizations do, so they then make a trade or sign someone the next offseason.

        As for Montero, if he doesn’t have a future position, where is he going to play? Taking Posada out of it since he’ll be mostly gone by then, A-Rod, Jeter, and to a lesser extent, Teixeira will all need significant time at DH over the next few years. If that’s supposed to be where Montero goes, then what do they do? Not just that, but it’s not like Montero is a sure thing, especially within the next couple of years. I’d much rather have a potential front-line starter than a 22 year old part-time DH.

  • Mister Delaware

    Joe F’ing Saunders. Jesus.

    • Evan3457

      Don’t know why everyone keeps mocking Joe Saunders. He’s a #2 starter.

      I know this because Mike Scioscia said so before the season started. When asked about the fact that the Angels no longer had a #1 starter, and he said they had five #2’s.

      Maybe he was speaking of a different genre of #2 in Saunders’ case.

  • http://161ststreet.wordpress.com/ Chris A

    I don’t understand why the Diamonbacks would want Saunders. Does anyone know more about the other prospects the Angels sent over? I can’t see how the Yankees couldn’t match this. Oh well, as long as Cashman doesn’t try to get Ted Lilly or Roy Oswalt I’m okay.

  • Sheepmeister

    This whole thing coupled with the lee thing makes me think that GM’s are just floating the yanks as front runners to get better things from other teams with a whole intention not to trade to them.

    • mustang

      We have a WINNER !

    • Chops

      If these were true, the DBacks would have gotten a better package than one headlined by Joe Saunders

    • Pasqua

      Than the DBacks are completely inept because this ain’t a better deal in any respect.

  • http://bloggingfromthebleachers.wordpress.com Aaron S.

    Obviously the PTBNL won’t be Trout. But could it be Hank Conger (who’s currently injured)? I know AZ has Montero behind the plate but with their persistent efforts to dump Snyder on someone (thankfully not the Yankees) they’ll need someone else back there.

  • Wes

    This is a joke. How the Yankees didn’t do this deal is beyond me. Joe Saunders? Great pick up, Arizona.

  • James A

    SI_JonHeyman

    sounds like #dbacks did well getting saunders and 3 top prospects. will choose 4th player from short list

    thats one dumb tweet from heyman

    • Hughesus Christo

      Does Boras rep Haren?

  • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    Well, we get to keep Joba. Yay.

  • mustang

    Oh well on to Lee in the winter.

  • Mister Delaware

    Worth noting, Tyler Skaggs signed on August 9th last year.

    • rbizzler

      Klaw (via twitter) is thinking what you are thinking as he claims that AZ really likes Skaggs in the ’09 draft despite passing him over.

  • Chris

    Angels have to be high on Corbin and/or Rodriguez. Saunders seems more like the guy they’ll use to replace Haren in the rotation. There doesn’t seem to be any other reasonable scenario, other than Trout being the PTBNL (which I really doubt).

  • http://fmylife.com Bryan

    2010 Rangers >>>>>>>> 2010 Angels. I still got Texas winning the West.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Me too, but it’s great for the next few years.

      • Brien Jackson

        Oh yeah, 2 years of Haren below market value, Texas loses Lee, doesn’t have Smoak, and Vlad probably won’t repeat this season.

        Unless Oakland gets another rush of good young talent gelling, Anaheim is going to go back to dominating that division. Damn.

    • Poopy Pants

      I’m pretty sure this is a move for the next few years for the Angels, not so much this year.

      • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

        I’d say it’s for both.

      • Brien Jackson

        I think I’d be more precise. I mean, Haren is obviously better than Saunders by a lot. That clearly makes them better this year. I think what you mean is that it’s not a move that will really help them catch Texas, which is fair, but to be honest, there’s really no move that makes it that likely for them to make up 7 games at this point.

  • Mike Pop

    Talk about a terrible package.

  • Grandy

    So who thinks Cash might have been bluffing with Haren and is line for making a big splash for Soria or someone else. I wouldn’t be surprised if he shocked us with an unexpected deal.

  • dave

    Everyone here was overstating Haren’s trade value. It shows how absurd their Joba plus prospects demand was the whole time. Just a typical “shoot for the moon — see if they bite” negotiating ploy. I’d rate every NYY prospect mentioned — except maybe ZM — over the prospects they got. I’m glad Cashman stood pat.

    • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

      Haren is much better than what the Angels gave up for him. The Joba offer was much more reasonable it seems.

    • Pete

      In Haren’s first 5 full seasons in the bigs he amassed 22.5 WAR. He is currently 24th among ALL active pitchers in WAR, despite the fact that he’s thrown the equivalent of 6 full seasons at this level (compared to 15+ for some). In 16 seasons, Andy Pettitte has been worth 50 wins over replacement. So haren’s provided just under half the production in just over a third of the time as Pettitte has. What’s more, over the last three seasons (07-09), he has averaged 5.3 WAR per season.

      Dan Haren: awesome pitcher.

      I’d say the D-Backs are just morons.

      • dave

        Haren is a good, durable starting pitcher — but he’s having a bad year in the weaker hitting league — in a pressureless environment. And more importantly, the D-Backs are trimming payroll. Once contract dumping is involved, the prospect package drops. That’s why the Yankees balked at the names they demanded. I’m surprised they even offered as much as they did for Lee. I’m sure Montero’s subpar year, inability to play the field — and growing reputation as a non-hustling player — was a factor. You can always find a bat. Offering him straight up for Halladay last year made perfect sense. Offering borderline AAA pitching prospects for Haren would make sense also. But Joba — and upper tier prospects like Banuelos? No way.

  • Slappy White

    If anyone ever ask for Joba in trade again we need to give him up because I have a feeling if we dont, a time will come real soon that they stop asking. Then by next season, all we have is a fat drunk with a straight as a string 89mph fastball

    • http://bloggingfromthebleachers.wordpress.com Aaron S.

      So you’re saying Joba will turn into David Wells overnight?

      • Jim S

        Please?

      • larryf

        He is looking a lot more like Tony Soprano actually…

  • Andrew Brotherton

    Yeah, I mean I guess they went by the numbers instead of the peripherals. Saunders does have two 15 plus wins seasons. I still think the Rangers win the division, and with the Rays winning the wild card I think it is a wasted deal by the Angels.

    • Mike Pop

      Even if they don’t make the playoffs, it’s a deal you make over and over again if you’re the Angels.

      What a steal, sheesh.

    • Poopy Pants

      Yeah, it’s not like Haren is under control for a few years for decent $ or anything.

  • JLew

    Joe Saunders is 29, has little upside, and will have massive arb. raises. I bet Arizona’s GM is related to Jan Brewer or Joe Arpaio.

    • NHYankee62

      Nice post lib-tard!!

      • JLew

        You are really funny. Good luck with Palin in 2012. I’m done discussing politics, BTW.

        • NHYankee62

          Yea, b/c Maobama has done such a great job!!! Remember unemployment won’t go above 8% after ramming the Porkulus bill through! What happened there.

          Despite no executive experience nor business experience, this marxist and his gang of thugs are now running everything in this country!

          How do you think that’s going to work out?? Name me one government program that has been both cost effective and provided higher quality??

          I’m glad you’re done btw, since you had to the nerve to take your little drive by shot. If you can’t take the heat….

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            This will end badly.

            • NHYankee62

              Bring it on.

              • JLew

                I’m done. There is no end to this.

                • NHYankee62

                  That will teach you to make stupid comments you can’t back up.

                  • JLew

                    This is no place to argue politics. I made what I thought was a funny joke as it took place in Arizona, I did not mean to offend anybody, yet I am called a retard and it is later asserted that liberals are Marxists. I am not here to discuss any politics, and I suggest you visit a different site if you wish to do so. This is a Yankees blog, and I would like to keep it at that.

                    • NHYankee62

                      My approach is distasteful please!

                      You this guy thinking he’s going to get away with a hit and run comment “obviously the GM must be related to Brewer and Arpaio b/c anyone who defends the laws of this country must be stupid!”

                      I came here to read about the trade, yet instead I see liberal cheap shots. Don’t post it if can’t handle the retribution.

                  • Captain Bawls

                    I, too, dislike Obama immensely, but I find your approach distasteful.

                • LARRY

                  Yep, because you can’t deal with the facts in the real world outside of that bastion of integrity and truth- MSNBC, Stewart or NPR. Too bad Americans have finally woken up to end your progressive final solution. You lose it all this November, JLew and you tool, TSJC !!

        • Douglas

          typical progressive. when someone stands up to your lies and smears, they run away. Enjoy this November, coward. And dearest apologies to the fine Governor Brewer and Sheriff Joe- real heroes to vast majority of legal American citizens.

          And if you can’t take the debate, don’t throw up cheap Alinsky tactics on a non-political website,JLew. No need for that mud on this fine site.

          And a big thank you for NHYankee62 for defending the abused silent majority of conservative/libertarian Yankee fans. The leftist “comedy” lose is flair long ago, and we’re not taking this crap anymore!!

    • Dalelama

      Congrats dimwit you are first person I have seen soil RAB with political stench in a year. Please no politics on RAB!

      • Brien Jackson

        Unless it’s funny.

      • Ubu

        If you are referring to JLew then right on Dalelama. Still, if you are targeting NHYankee62 comments then your idotic comment has truely omited a foul odor that consistently ruins good sites like this one. JLew brought his progressive humor up and NHYankee decided not to let the cheap insult go without some deserved payback. Here’s a clue to all you smug progressives, the amjority of Americans and Arizonians are fully behind Govoner Brewer despite your deceitful and hatyeful tactics. You lost another debate,socialists but are mature enough to accept no. Why? because you hate and disrespect anyone whose hasn’t bought into your far-left agenda. Too bad that holy doctrine of Hope and Change hasn’t transformed most Americans too quit thinking and believe everything that comes out of White House.

        Over time, folks like myself realize one thing, progressive are just idiotic and smug bullies. They all think some pathetic swipe at Sarah Palin or Bush is hilarious no matter how tired, untrue or juyst plain cruel it may be. See, no matter what Jon Lebowitz tells you, this is a right-center country and the majority of Americans have decided to stand together against your ineffective, socialist regime.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    Folks, don’t underestimate the fact that Haren wanted to play on the west coast, and the D-Backs may have shopped him around enough to get a decent enough package to accommodate him. They’ve long had a rep for being a very player-friendly organization. The fact that they’re losing money may have made them look to deal him, but Haren could have had some input as well.

    As far as the packages that were floated around today (Joba/Betances/Noesi) don’t take them at face value. That could be coming from the Yankee side, for damage control purposes.

    • Ross in Jersey

      Some very good points. I forgot about his west coast preference.

    • JLew

      Saunders will make 6-7 million next year. So much for losing money.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Haren makes 12.75 each of the next 2 years, with a 3.5 buyout for 2013 that you have to add on top, since it’s guaranteed.

    • mustang

      Well done.

  • Pasqua

    Looks like the trasaction theme of the year is, “Fleece the Yanks!”

    Joe Saunders doesn’t even have fantasy baseball value, how does he headline this trade?!

  • phughesisgod

    This Arizona deal seems to be the start of a ton of deals this week around baseball.

  • JMK

    I’m just going to come out and say it. I feel like a fool. This morning, at about 8 a.m., amidst incredible rumor and speculation, I thought, “You know, if it really comes down to it, I’d part with a monstrous package to get Dan Haren on a team-friendly contract.”

    And to see that some 31st-rate front office get belly button lint, a corpse and Twinkies for Dan Haren is just incredible.

    I am speechless.

    We probably could have had him for Joba, Eric Palabrakemper, and Carmen Angelini.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Don’t feel bad, JMK. You went out on a limb, this is what can happen. Lesser men would have never gone on the limb in the first place.

      Welcome to the club, buddy. The Big Balls Club.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Here here. I keep a rag in my pocket to wipe the egg off my face, and I use it numerous times daily.

    • Brien Jackson

      I wouldn’t feel too bad that you don’t have a handle on the mindset of a GM who think Joe Saunders is great because of his W-L record.

      I think a lot of times we forget that this isn’t a stock exchange or real estate buy or something, and a lot of times it comes down to what the selling GM thinks of the pieces he’s getting back, which isn’t always rational. I mean, there were 6 days left until the deadline. It’s not like Arizona fielded every offer they could and then picked the best one, this GM *wanted* this deal. He WANTED Joe Saunders.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    I have to say, I find it very hard to believe that Joe freakin’ Saunders headlined a package for Haren, but so be it.

    It’s possible that the package is in fact headlined by that PTBNL, though, and not Saunders. If that’s a legit prospect (Skaggs? Grichuck? Walden? Reckling? Conger?), the deal looks much better. The Angels have several other solid prospects besides Mike Trout.

  • adeel

    I don’t think the yankees overvalue their prospects. Az was asking for Joba + the farm system; which imho was too much. Joba + zmack or something like that would be okay, but not Joba + 4 of our better minor league pitching prospects was too much, giving haren’s injury history.

    The point is that if you here a Yankee rumor, it’s false. The ninja gets something done and we hear about it in past tense, or it doesn’t happen at all.

    Haren for Saunders is pretty ridiculous.

  • Jobamania

    how long is Kendry gone till? Could the angels be ready for a big push with reinforcements coming

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Kendry’s out for the year, in all likelihood.

  • Pasqua

    To those crtical of the Yankees on this (non-) deal…I think it’s important to point out that Cashman probably didn’t have a chance to “top” the Angels offer. When the Lee trade went down, it was widely discussed that the Mariners’ GM had broken “etiquette” by having a deal in place with NY and continuing to shop Lee. With that in mind, at some point, I’m willing to bet Cashman was simply out of the picture and without a chance to counter on Haren.

    • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

      For whatever reason I have a hard time believing this. Unless the ptbnl is better than any of the prospects the Yankees appeared to have offered, the Yankees offer was better.

      Also, the Seattle trade was a very different situation. The trade seemed to be near completion, and then Seattle backed out at the last minute.

      The Haren talks didn’t appear to be anywhere near as close with the Yankees.

      • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo
      • Pasqua

        Right, I agree; however, what I’m trying to say (and maybe not well) is that, since there seem to be some who are upset that Cashman didn’t “top that deal,” the likelihood is that he simply didn’t have the chance.

        If the DBacks’ GM had agreed in principle with the Angels and then called Cash, asking “Can you do better?” then he would be guilty of what the M’s did to the Yanks in the Lee deal.

        I’m not trying to make a point about who’s deal was better, just that the DBacks made a decision and went with it. That’s not Cashman’s fault.

  • Pat D

    Yea, I think I agree with adeel’s points above. If anyone starts reporting a bunch of stuff about the Yankees acquiring someone, I’m not going to believe it until it’s a done deal. The Vazquez trade more or less came out of nowhere in the offseason, no on reported it until the night it went through, so I imagine that’s how Cashman will operate this year.

  • ARX

    BAH. We could’ve done better than that package. And I really wanted to see Joba traded.

  • Chapman

    Reports are saying that the package is headlined by the PTBNL, it is from a short list of elite prospects, just not Trout.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      That.

      Add any one of the Conger/Walden/Reckling/Grichuk/etc. prospects to this haul, and 98% of the bitching and moaning about how weak the package was ends instantly.

      • http://soxandpinstripes.net Angelo

        I guess so. I don’t even want to talk about this trade anymore. We need another trade rumor, so we can go insane arguing why it’s okay to do that trade or not do that trade.

  • nathan

    Compare the package that the Yanks were mulling vs the one the Angels gave up, is their secondary package better?

    Maybe this is AZ’s way to give a break to SoCal so LA will get its official travels started that was stopped post immig bill// kidding

    • NHYankee62

      Haha, but LA and Cali are the one in deep trouble financially, the dumbest thing they can do is boycott anyone!

      • JLew

        Arizona will be hurt harder financially than California. This law will cost them more than illegals.

        • NHYankee62

          No it won’t.

          It’s going to stop the actual taxpayers from paying for a full menu of social services for a bunch of illegals.

          BTW; since you love illegals so much, what would you do if one broke into your house and demanded that you feed them, clothe them, and give them your car???

          • Pete

            but would you react any differently to somebody doing that who wasn’t an illegal immigrant?

          • JLew

            Can we just talk baseball please?

            • Dalelama

              Then stop bringing politics numbnuts!!!!

            • Keneth

              oh,Look the progressive is started to weep!! ROFLOL!!

              Hey,JLew who brought up politics on thread in a stupid, offending manner on this website?

              Answer, you did!! So, most bloggers would rather comment on the defending champs for sure. But guess, what? It isn’t 2008 anymore and the drive by shots at Bush, Pain don’t work anymore.

              The majority of independent Americans have had enough of the Left’s bid for humor that is simple insult theater for anyone that dares disagree with them. So stop crying and wise up.

              You will treat non-progressives with respect or you will face a powerful, righteous and wise opposition!!

      • nathan

        they are bankrupt, i lived in SoCal until last year, its woeful there, i remember that most of the folks filing tax refunds got vouchers. Sad state of affairs.

  • Jobamania

    #Diamondbacks official says two of three prospects are “outstanding” – Corbin and PTBN. #MLB

  • nathan

    Its one price for the rest of the league, a bit more steep price for Boston and a very steep price for the Yanks

  • Jobamania

    # Again, not sure on him, but Skaggs didn’t sign until early August of last year. Guys can’t be dealt until a year after signing. 28 minutes ago via TweetDeck

    # Don’t know who is on list, but LHP Tyler Skaggs would make sense. Dbacks were close to drafting him last year. 29 minutes ago via TweetDeck

    http://twitter.com/nickpiecoro

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      And getting Skaggs and Corbin, while swapping Haren’s good innings with Saunders’s servicable innings (in the NL West) while getting significant salary relief: not a bad deal.

      Seriously, this deal is much better than people are portraying it. It might not be the best potential deal possible, but it’s far from horrible. Two good prospects + a third decent prospect + salary relief + a quality back end arm to eat up innings and serve as a bridge to the future without tying up long term salary committments, that makes sense for Arizona.

  • nathan

    This deal is apparently so bad that Mets fans/blogs are up in arms because they thought they had a better pacakge and farm. :-)

    • Jobamania

      TAKE FMART PLZ
      FUTURE STUD

  • http://uclabruins.playitusa.com/ Luca10

    Oh my, what a moron that DiPoto kid. Can’t believe the DBacks let him screw them this way, trading their best player for, basically, trash or little more.

    • Mister Delaware

      (Psst … Justin Upton)

  • Mark

    It doesn’t even seem like Dipoto is getting to make the decisions. I don’t remember seeing one quote from him regarding Haren the past few weeks, it was always that CEO.

  • Rich from Philly

    Cashman has a big bullseye on his back now. By pursuing Lee and Haren, he has let the world know he isn’t comfortible with his starting pitching. Now he has been beaten to the punch 2 x, not able to complete the deal. If the Yanks don’t win the world series, he will be blamed for not doing his job, especially if Joba keeps stinking up the joint. As he should be. Just like Ruben Amaro in Philly, over Cliff Lee. It is win or else for him now. Tough job when you have to do more than spend the owner’s money.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      He has a bulls-eye on his back only if you believe Ken Rosenthal and not every other reporter who said the Yankees weren’t really that in on Haren. Clearly, the Yanks were kicking the tires, but they never had discussions this weekend. A deal wasn’t close or expected.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        And he wasn’t exactly “beaten to the punch” with Lee, if you believe the reporters or whatnot with what supposedly happened there.

      • Mister Delaware

        To be honest, I’d rather know Cashman was hard in on Haren and DiPoto weirdly chose the Angels offer than know he wasn’t serious about a trade where a great starter went for $0.60 on the dollar*.

        * This is an estimate. Maybe its $0.70. Or maybe its less than $0.60.

    • pat

      If the Yankees go into the playoffs with the best record in baseball, Cashman did his job.

      • Dalelama

        No they have to win the World Series which is the standard every member of the Yankees is held to.

  • JPK

    Bobby V just said he dosen’t understand why the Angles made the Haren deal. Thinks they will flip him for offense.
    I know the angles are in a hole behind the Rangers but they are not out of it not to mention that Haren is reasonably priced for the next couple of years as well. If the angles are looking for offense in return for Haren, I’d be happy to offer them Juan Miranda who could fit right in at 1B for them, along with Z Mac, Nova and another prospect.But personally I think they made a great deal and have no intention of flipping Haren

    • A.D.

      Agreed, I think there’s plenty of reason to trade for Haren, and that they’re just holding and keeping him.