Game 102: The similarities of Hughes and Davis


Yes, it looks like Lance Berkman is headed to New York, with an official announcement to come tomorrow. Yay for that.

But there’s a game at hand, and we’re ready to cover that. Just two games separate the Yanks and the Rays, and it seems like it’s been that way for a month. They’ll face each other three times this weekend, and the series clearly represents big opportunities for both teams.

The opener features a duel between two similar pitchers, Phil Hughes and Wade Davis. They’re both 24, and they both broke camp in the rotation for the first time. They’ve also struggled similarly. Both have had some bad starts, and both have put up some good numbers against the poorer teams in the AL. As R.J. Anderson notes, they also lead the league in percentage of strikes as foul balls. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad, but it could be an indicator of their inabilities to put guys away.

In fact, when talking with R.J. earlier today he said something that stuck out to me. He mentioned that Davis would often get two strikes, but then keep going to the fastball and wasn’t able to put away batters. That sounds a lot like Hughes. Davis has a bit more of a swing and miss offering with his slider, but Hughes has other options, too. He’s been working in the curveball more often, and I’d like to see him bend two dozen or so tonight.

Also make sure to check out our Yanks-Rays series preview. That kinda got lost amid the Berkman hubbub.


1. Derek Jeter, SS
2. Nick Swisher, RF
3. Mark Teixeira, 1B
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Robinson Cano, 2B
6. Jorge Posada, C
7. Curtis Granderson, CF
8. Colin Curtis, DH
9. Brett Gardner, LF

And on the mound, number sixty-five, Phil Hughes.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. not gmanjoe says:

    Anyone have link to tonights game.

  2. JGS says:

    Hughes has a 2.36 ERA, 1.073 WHIP, and 1.95 (!!) FIP on the road this year

  3. Pete says:

    One nitpick: Phil Hughes broke camp in the rotation for the first time in 2008.

  4. zs190 says:

    Grandy and Curtis can’t both be DH =p Curtis is DH, Grandy is playing CF, I think.

  5. j_Yankees says:

    Colin Curtis DH.

    /can’t wait for this to end. 24 hours.

  6. Pat D says:

    I’m so tired, I don’t know if I’ll be able to fully concentrate on this game.

    Let alone work, since I’m still there.

  7. Total Dominication says:

    Actually Bob, your 1st impression of Pena was correct.

  8. T-Dubs says:

    Seems like the rumors are Kevin Russo and Jimmy Parades for Berkman.

  9. Pat D says:

    So Miranda gets sent down tomorrow, right?

  10. not gmanjoe says:

    Berkman at least gives us a better bat then Thames. Thames can sit on the bench and pinch hit now.

  11. not gmanjoe says:

    Russo too? and all that salary. I don’t think so.

  12. forensicnucchem says:

    Small sample sizes all around, but both offenses have great numbers against both starters.

    It’ll be interesting to see which one can step up a bit against a good offense finally…

  13. forensicnucchem says:

    I don’t care about the splits, I’d still play Berkman over Thames against lefties, and I sure hope Girardi does too.

  14. forensicnucchem says:

    Ugh, Flaherty and Tino? Boy, that’s going to be boring and annoying.

  15. Total Dominication says:

    The dramatic intro was ruined by the orange tree on the stadium.

  16. Poopy Pants says:

    What an ugly stadium.

  17. Total Dominication says:

    I hate this guys voice.

  18. Poopy Pants says:

    I keep waiting for Tino to slurp his retainer drool.

    I like him, he’s just very strange as a broadcaster.

  19. Paramecium Jones says:

    No Zobrist? Is he hurt?

  20. forensicnucchem says:

    Sterling’s homerun call?

    Fat Elvis has left the building.

  21. phughesisgod says:

    Jimmy Paredes and Kevin Russo for Berkman? Holy crap. I’d love to call this a heist, but Berkmans not doing too well right now. Whatever, cant wait to see Berkman in uniform tomorrow, or in the Yankees clubhouse.

  22. Poopy Pants says:

    Why is Nikola Tesla in the WB Mason commerical?

    • Pat D says:

      Because he twice tried to change the world. On the second attempt he was asked politely to retire.

      This is his retirement job.


      • Poopy Pants says:

        This is sooo off-topic, but Tesla really was amazing. I guess trying to wirelessly transmit electricity to the entire planet and solve all fossil fuel/energy problems rubbed important people the wrong way (pocketbooks).
        At least we got alternative current and radio from him!

  23. mikebk says:

    “6:04pm: The Astros are picking up a lot of the money owed to Berkman and won’t obtain top prospects in return, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney. The Yankees expect to make one or two more moves and continue working on trades”

    so russo and paredes and they are paying some of the money, WOW, Ninja strikes again

  24. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Bob Klapisch:

    Source says #Yankees “may have some other things cooking” after Berkman deal is complete.

  25. All-Star Carl says:

    It’s sold out folks. You can’t buy a ticket.

  26. bexarama says:

    Kay + Tino + Flash = oh God PAAAAIN

  27. forensicnucchem says:

    I’m so excited that we no longer should have see one of the slop players at the bottom of the lineup, outside of Cervelli every 3rd day.

  28. phughesisgod says:

    Is Pettitte with the team? I want them to show him in the dugout. He’s probably beaming with joy right now.

  29. Paramecium Jones says:

    Damn Jeter and your ground balls to shortstop!!

  30. All-Star Carl says:


  31. forensicnucchem says:


    Yeah Swish!!!!!

  32. Mike HC says:

    He is only becoming more overrated!!!

  33. JGS says:

    I love road Swish

  34. Newbie says:

    SWISHER! That ball was absolutely crushed.

  35. Brooklyn Ed says:


    /fantasy stats pad

  36. not gmanjoe says:

    2-0 lol

  37. Ross in Jersey says:

    Strike like lightning!

  38. Cy Farnsworth says:

    Well that was fast. As Michael Kay would say:


  39. Pat D says:

    That’s a good start.

  40. JSquared says:

    I didn’t even see that leave swish’s bat…

  41. Mike Axisa says:

    Just a fourth outfielder.

  42. j_Yankees says:

    2-0 already…and we don’t even have Berkman yet.

  43. rek4gehrig says:


  44. Paramecium Jones says:

    Come on Swish, can’t you work the count a little? Watching too much Jeter swinging at first pitches..

  45. not gmanjoe says:

    Tampa hates Swisher.

  46. It only took a Jeterian single & a Swisherian homer to get the Yankees starting right out of the gate FAST!

  47. Paramecium Jones says:

    No prob Teix, you’ll get at least 5 more chances tonight.

  48. Hummingbird S. says:

    right down the middle..

  49. Newbie says:

    Wow.. That was a monstrous swing.

  50. not gmanjoe says:

    really hate the cow bells so minor league.

  51. Paramecium Jones says:

    A-rod, saving his hits for a more meaningful at bat.

  52. Total Dominication says:

    How’d he miss that?

  53. j_Yankees says:

    Time is moving slowly?

    please stop talking Kay.

  54. not gmanjoe says:

    Davis has nothing we can not hammer.

  55. Total Dominication says:

    A delayed congratulatory Swisher YAYAYAYAY!

  56. Paramecium Jones says:

    A single, that’s the best you can do, Cano?

  57. All-Star Carl says:

    We all knew Posada was gonna strike out on that pitch.

  58. Slappy White says:

    I love Tino so much, but it is painful to hear him announce

  59. Paramecium Jones says:

    Hey, even HOF catchers strike out once in a while.

    /done reversing the memes
    /and good night.

  60. Hummingbird S. says:

    we could really use good Hughes tonight.. comon Phil!

  61. not gmanjoe says:

    hughes has lost 3 mph off his fastball already this year.

  62. not gmanjoe says:

    just get Pena.

  63. Jon in CUO says:

    What’s worse than Tino and Flash on YES? Living in Florida and getting stuck with Dewayne Staats and Kevin Kennedy for this series. I’d rather listen to a trio of Hawk Harrelsons than these morons.

  64. forensicnucchem says:

    Pena is one of 4 guys to have 2 homers at this point off Hughes. And we all know how much he seems to kill the Yanks. Gotta be careful with him with Joyce behind him.

  65. forensicnucchem says:

    Nice job Hughes. Just 6-7 more innings like that and we’d be happy. ;-)

  66. not gmanjoe says:

    I feel ya jon I am in Fl too. Kevin kennedy is more of a homer than Hawk and that really is saying something.

  67. not gmanjoe says:

    Like Swish did Grandy needs some time with Kevin Long.

  68. forensicnucchem says:

    Tejada is going to add pop to the Padres? Is this the same Miguel Tejada who had an 81 OPS+ is a great hitters park in Baltimore???

  69. monty burns says:

    2-0 yanks EXCELLENT

  70. All-Star Carl says:

    Slobbing over Brignac for catching a pop fly.

  71. Cy Farnsworth says:

    I’d like to see Gardner take off early in this at bat.

  72. monty burns says:

    Tropicana field = Kingdome 2.0 fugly.

  73. Hummingbird S. says:

    1st pitch groundout… lovely.

  74. monty burns says:

    what happened to vaunted Hughes change up that he had in Spring Training?

  75. monty burns says:

    Jesus Garza is good pitcher but the man is a pig. Every time the camera is on him he does something offensive.

  76. Cy Farnsworth says:

    Does Berkman know how to catch?

  77. All-Star Carl says:

    Wrong guy to walk :(

  78. monty burns says:

    I bet before this series is over they bean Swisher.

  79. All-Star Carl says:

    Loving Hughes tonight. He looks so different on the road. Outside of that walk to Upton, he’s showing great command of the curve and fastball.

    • ZZ says:

      It has nothing to do with him being on the road.

      The H/R split disparity don’t really mean anything because 4 of his first 6 starts when he was dominating came on the road.

      He is getting on top of his fastball giving him the full range of motion of his delivery hence the life on his pitches and no tailing.

  80. nathan says:

    Isnt that like the second time in a week that Jorge has mailed one that went to the SS side of the bag, i mean way over. I hope he isnt having some shoulder issue on top of his leg issues.

  81. Ross in Jersey says:

    Really thought I’d see more steroid or asterisk signs at these games to taunt A-rod. Maybe YES isn’t showing them or whatever.

  82. T-Dubs says:

    Quote from Berkman:
    “I’m from Texas. Heck, I played at Rice. This city is like the womb. I feel very comfortable here. To think about the possibility of going anywhere else is kind of scary,” Berkman said.

    Time to leave the womb big boy.

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      He’ll be fine when he sees someone other than Carlos Lee or Hunter Pence protecting him in the lineup

  83. Cy Farnsworth says:

    How awesome would it be if A-Rod hit one off the catwalk and went inside the park?

  84. Cy Farnsworth says:

    Haha, come on Michael. Not even Sterling could’ve thought that one was getting out.

  85. bexarama says:

    Oh goodness Kay, that one wasn’t even close

  86. Little Bill says:

    lol Kay. DRIVEN DEEP TO CENTER FIELD! It wasn’t even close.

  87. All-Star Carl says:

    Shut up Michael Kay

  88. forensicnucchem says:

    Damn terrible camera angles. Thought that was long gone.

  89. FIPster Doofus says:

    hahaha not a good night for Kay

  90. forensicnucchem says:

    I still fail to see the big deal of walking Miguel Cabrera at almost any point. Boesch is hitting .100 since the ASB.

    • forensicnucchem says:

      Ha, and after saying this I look at the Detroit box score and the genius of Jim Leyland moves Boesch in front of Cabrera to make sure he ends all rallies before Cabrera gets to bat. By the way, Boesch, 0-2, 2 strikeouts.

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      Boesch is hitting in front of him today with Damon out. Raburn batting 5th. Not that he’s any better…

  91. rek4gehrig says:

    I dont know who is more annoying…Kay or Kim…

  92. FIPster Doofus says:

    Man, Phil looks great.

  93. JV says:

    if im correct i think that was hughes’ 100th K of the season
    kudos phil

  94. larryf says:

    so far:

    Kay is moronic with his Alex fly ball call…

    Can we find someone other than Jeter to bat after Gardy so he can steal a bit more?

  95. Mike Axisa says:

    Ugh, two pitches.

  96. All-Star Carl says:

    Take some pitches please.

  97. forensicnucchem says:

    Ugh, 3 of the last 4 hitters out on the first pitch…

  98. Ross in Jersey says:

    Man… stopped working the count completely. Ugh.

  99. Tank the Frank says:

    Letting Wade Davis off the hook there.

  100. Tank the Frank says:

    I welcome Berkman and his 17% walk rate with open arms.

  101. Ross in Jersey says:

    That commercial with the babies rollerskating is seriously more creepy than a Kay-Jones interview.

  102. Matt says:

    And that my friends is why the Yankees need a hitter like Berkman in the lineup, even if he is not quite what he once was.

    Berkman sees 4.14 P/PA. He would rarely have weak at bats like the ones we’ve seen against Davis in the last few innings. Half this lineup is up there hacking away, even in situations in which it makes more sense to try to drive up a guy’s pitch count.

    Jeter’s first pitch swinging after Davis walked Gardner on 5 pitches with nothing that close was just embarrassing to say the least.

  103. Mike Axisa says:

    Sheesh, Kay has the homerun call working tonight. Too bad all of these are fly balls.

  104. All-Star Carl says:

    John Flaherty has a new term. “Another level”

  105. forensicnucchem says:

    Rays trying to be like the Yanks. 2 out of 3 on the first pitch in that inning.

  106. Ross in Jersey says:

    Berkman “might not happen”? Yeah, and the sun “might not” rise tomorrow.

  107. forensicnucchem says:

    Peralta helping the Yanks without being on the Yanks. Nice.

  108. T-Dubs says:

    Noesi just got blowed up in the Trenton game. Ouch.

  109. Slappy White says:

    why does Kay insist on saying Berkman deal is not done yet? is he just f#&%ing with me?

  110. All-Star Carl says:

    BG making up for those first pitch outs.

  111. larryf says:

    Gardy has awesome at bats even when he doesn’t get on… The guy will soon be our best leadoff hitter….oh he already is

  112. forensicnucchem says:

    Gardner doing his best to make up for some of the other 1st pitch outs… I like it.

  113. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:

    Brett Gardner is quickly moving up my favorite Yankees list.

  114. Tank the Frank says:

    Have I mentioned I love Brett Gardner? I’d like to take him out to a nice seafood dinner…and NEVER call him again.

  115. Tank the Frank says:

    Take a lead Gardy..WTF?

  116. Cy Farnsworth says:

    Flying rats?

    Jeezuz, Kay is weird.

  117. bexarama says:

    Gah bats freak me out

  118. Mike Axisa says:

    Why doesn’t Gardner ever run any more?

  119. Slappy White says:

    why does Gardy refuse to steal?

  120. All-Star Carl says:

    Jeter you are stupid.

  121. T-Dubs says:

    ha, Jeter’s just trying to find ways to hit into double plays. Even when the runner’s in motion.

  122. forensicnucchem says:

    Jeter trying to find different ways to hit into a double play.

  123. larryf says:

    Kay on his radio show asked why the yanks would need Berkman. “Isn’t it kind of piling on?” “Do they really need him?”

    Kay can be a fool…

  124. Tank the Frank says:

    Good Lord that wasn’t even close. Imagine if Gardner actually learned to take an average lead.

  125. All-Star Carl says:

    Swish really thought he was getting a fastball after the first 2 at bats he had?

  126. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:

    Jose Bautista hit ANOTHER homer. It’s kind of getting ridiculous now.

  127. All-Star Carl says:

    Gameday just said he threw a cutter after the cutter talk.

  128. forensicnucchem says:

    Oswalt getting hit around by the powerhouse Nationals lineup…

  129. Ross in Jersey says:

    Tino regretting he wasn’t a good bunter? Argh!

  130. T-Dubs says:

    Sherman: Astros paying $4m of Berkman’s salary


    • mikebk says:

      so in the past two days the stros have dealt elvis and oswalt, paid 15 mil and have j.a. happ, brett wallace, villar, and reportedly russo, paredes. wow.

      • larryf says:

        You mean I won’t see Russo at Scranton tomorrow night? I’m not going! Who will take the roster spot?

  131. Ross in Jersey says:

    Astros paying 4m of Berkman’s salary… lol

  132. Hummingbird S. says:

    Here we go, they are on his fastball and he can’t put them away.

  133. All-Star Carl says:

    “For 79 years Babe Ruth was the youngest man to ever hit 600 home runs. Now, it is Alex Rodriguez.”

  134. larryf says:

    A Gardy at bat for Brainiac but better results for us. I think it is time to restructure our batting order with Gardy leading off and a lefty batting second or, if Jeter, he must take 2 pitches. Am I crazy?

  135. Mike Axisa says:

    Hah! Houston is paying $4M of the $7M left on Berkman’s deal.

  136. monty burns says:

    2 HRs for Bartlett this year? Wow did he take the syringe out of his ass this year.

  137. JustinR says:

    MLB extra innings pulled coverage of the game in the 4th inning (at least on Comcast in Philly) while every other game is on. Anyone else have this problem? Invited friends over too so we could watch. FML

  138. Ross in Jersey says:

    Jhonny Peralta making Lester his bitch.

  139. Tank the Frank says:

    Tejada? Really?

  140. All-Star Carl says:

    Yeah for the Nationals John.

  141. ShuutoHeat (GGBG > Crawford) says:

    According to a friend the Rays have won only 1 friday night game at home…Can anyone confirm?

  142. larryf says:

    A walk will be fine. Our best HR hitter is up next

  143. Ross in Jersey says:

    How many fastballs down the middle can Alex miss :(

  144. All-Star Carl says:

    Right down the middle again.

  145. larryf says:

    What is the season rbi record for a 16 HR output?

  146. Hummingbird S. says:

    time to knock Davis out of this game.

  147. Tank the Frank says:

    I’m going to be honest I’m the biggest Alex fan but this is getting kind of frustrating. He’s missing them right down the middle. And you can tell he’s pressing because I’ve never seen Alex as off balance after a swing as he has been during this stretch. He pulled a Reggie Jackson and corkscrewed himself into the ground a few games ago.

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      He did that a couple times on the homestand though and still managed to hit well otherwise. He’ll be fine, just probably annoying him a bit.

    • bexarama says:

      I’ve never seen Alex as off balance after a swing as he has been during this stretch.

      2006 playoffs, eeek. He just looked so off.

      • Tank the Frank says:

        Eek did I say never?? I just meant to say he’s looked off balance on certain swings; like when he’s looking fastball in a fastball count.

    • Andy says:

      Totally agree. But Kay and Co. keep saying how great his swing looks. He’s look terrible. And I’m a huge Alex fan, but this starting to get annoying. It’s not fun at all anymore watching his at bats.

  148. bexarama says:

    Oh I soooo missed psychoanalysis with Michael Kay. ._.

  149. forensicnucchem says:

    Ok Posada and Grandy, extend the lead here…

  150. Andy says:

    I don’t understand why everyone says Alex doesn’t look like he’s pressing. It looks like he’s way over swinging to me–am I missing something? Those are not his normal swings.

  151. All-Star Carl says:

    He was safe

  152. T-Dubs says:

    God damn he’s slow. If Posada raced a pregnant woman to first, he’d finish third.

  153. Tank the Frank says:

    Wow that was a big DP.

  154. Ross in Jersey says:

    Posada is soooo slow.

  155. larryf says:

    Berkman would have been safe…

  156. larryf says:

    Youk knocks down/out Galaragga with a hard comebacker. Tigers 4-1 in 5th

  157. monty burns says:

    Rays mascot is fugly too.

  158. Chip says:

    Look at the change!!

  159. Ross in Jersey says:

    Phil seems to be getting a lot more swing and misses on the 4 seamer today.

  160. forensicnucchem says:

    Posada asleep behind the plate…

  161. All-Star Carl says:


  162. Hummingbird S. says:

    not a bad walk.. set up the DP

  163. forensicnucchem says:

    Hughes really needs Pena to pull a Posada here…

  164. larryf says:

    crunch time Phil-get it done here!

  165. All-Star Carl says:

    How many pitches can Phil throw? 110?

  166. forensicnucchem says:

    Ugh, that really sucks…

  167. Ross in Jersey says:

    And just like that… Matt fucking Joyce… sigh.

  168. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:


  169. All-Star Carl says:

    Oh man come on. You had to go back to the curve.

  170. ShuutoHeat (GGBG > Crawford) says:


  171. T-Dubs says:

    Sherman says Melancon in Berkman deal

    • forensicnucchem says:

      I really liked Melancon, so if true that sucks. But it’s nice to see he’ll finally get a real chance in the majors instead of being sort of jerked around here.

      • T-Dubs says:

        he could be in the majors right now if he could get AAA hitters out. He’s been awful.

      • Ross in Jersey says:

        Jerked around? He’s been awful for a month. Can’t throw strikes. Couldn’t throw them when in the majors, either. Not saying he doesn’t have potential, but I don’t see how he was “jerked around”

        • forensicnucchem says:

          I know about this year. But the past years he’s dominated and never been given a chance in the bigs. Up for 10-15 days, pitches once or twice.

          • Ross in Jersey says:

            Yeah, and when he pitched he was pretty bad, walking way too many guys. If you can’t throw strikes you’re not going to stay in the majors very long, I still don’t see how this was jerking him around.

    • Chip says:

      No way, that’s an overpay if true

  172. Hummingbird S. says:

    that sucks.. please get through this inning Phil

  173. Ross in Jersey says:

    That wasn’t even a bad pitch… unreal. Big fucking hit, that really sucks.

  174. monty burns says:

    I go get a beer and some girl named joyce goes deep.

  175. All-Star Carl says:

    Come on you should have thrown that 2-2.

  176. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:

    Oh well, no big deal. Nothing that we can’t come back from.

  177. Ross in Jersey says:

    Posada double play really looms large now. Game changer if the Yanks don’t rally. How did he not beat that out?

  178. rek4gehrig says:

    Now, who the heck is Joyce?

  179. T-Dubs says:

    Surprised the Yanks quit on Melancon so quick. Must think his bad year is permanent.

  180. All-Star Carl says:

    Bye bye Mark Melancon.

  181. Matt says:

    Joyce completely flailed and missed at a 2-1 curveball down and in.

    What pitch do you think he was sitting on?

    Throwing the pitch that he is so obviously sitting on is just dumb pitching. If you threw that pitch away instead of inside he grounds it harmlessly to second base as he pulls off of it.

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      You can just add Joyce to the list of shitty non-sluggers the Yankees have given up bombs to this year. I don’t understand it myself.

  182. All-Star Carl says:

    Really John? The Yanks are counting down outs? Maybe a scrub like you would do that.

  183. forensicnucchem says:

    Well, at least the top/middle of the order will be up in the 8th/9th innings. Just gotta hope Joba can hold the one run deficit.

  184. Hummingbird S. says:

    too many popus tonight..

  185. Ross in Jersey says:

    Really, can’t even get Davis out of the game in the 7th inning? Come on already.

  186. Matt says:

    The way Davis has pitched tonight, they should have knocked him out in the 5th or 6th inning. All the weak one pitch outs killed them. With a guy like Davis, you need to wait for him to work himself into trouble by working deep counts. Swinging at the first pitch against a guy with good stuff is just stupid.

    What happened to the days of beating a guy with tough stuff by getting to the bullpen? The kind of approach they take against a guy like Felix Hernandez is to swing at everything and pray it’s down the middle, and then he pitches 9 shutout innings.

    • All-Star Carl says:

      A guy like Felix will throw strike after strike. This guy not so much. BG worked a 5 pitch walk and Jeter grounded out on the next pitch. It’s terrible sometimes.

    • JohnnyC says:

      That’s why not having Nick Johnson really hurts the line-up. Maybe Berkman can show some discipline at the plate as well as pose more of a power threat.

      • Matt says:

        Exactly, it’s about winning the war maybe by losing a few battles early on.

        It’s a lot more productive to make an out on 6 or 7 pitches by grinding out the at bat early in the game than making a one pitch out but “hitting it hard.” Mental victories mean nothing when the starting pitcher goes an extra inning because of your garbage at bats.

        The back to back one pitch outs in the 4th got Wade Davis right back in the game and kept his pitch count down. When you have a guy with an elevated pitch count who is on the ropes, you have to make a conscious, team effort to finish the job.

        Half the guys in this lineup are going up there hacking away most of the time. There is no consistency even within a single game, and in a game like tonight it makes a huge difference when you have guys who break the game plan.

  187. bexarama says:

    Oh I see we’re all whining about our sucky offense again. Awesome.

  188. larryf says:

    Getting beat by a guy with 3 HR and 14 rbi’s coming in. Painful.

  189. Matt says:

    The Joyce home run was just dumb pitching by Hughes, but it would not have been the game if this “league leading” offense could do anything against a guy who was working himself into trouble all game falling behind hitters the way Davis was.

    Too bad they can’t pad their league leading run totals on the Cleveland bullpen come October. The numbers are good on paper but this team is simply not good at grinding out at bats in close games.

    • bexarama says:


      Are the Yankees supposed to be, like, ashamed they murder bad pitching? When we didn’t hit Cleveland’s pitching that well in the first two games, people bitched and whined. Now we hit Cleveland’s pitching well and people bitch and whine. It’s ridiculous. Seriously, people are spoiled as all hell. (It’s not just you, I’m just irritated at the WAAAH WE SUCK stuff that comes up whenever the Yankees aren’t winning like 11-0.)

      • Matt says:

        The offense has been this way all year, this isn’t just reactionary.

        If not for how awful Cleveland’s pen was last night, they were totally blowing it that night as well. Something like 0-9 with RISP before that Jeter go ahead single.

        The numbers look good because they have games where they blow guys out mixed inbetween, but they are not consistent and that’s the big issue.

        A big part of it is Jeter’s lack of patience out of the leadoff spot, which tends to ruin a lot of what they have worked hard for when a guy like Gardner grinds out a long at bat and a walk in front of him.

        • bexarama says:

          The offense has been this way all year, this isn’t just reactionary.

          So come here and say it when we’re not losing.

          If not for how awful Cleveland’s pen was last night, they were totally blowing it that night as well. Something like 0-9 with RISP before that Jeter go ahead single.

          0-for-10, I think. And 7-for-11 after that. You can’t just hysterically overemphasize the 0-for-10 and ignore the 7-for-11. Which is the team’s real ability with RISP? Probably somewhere in between.

          The numbers look good because they have games where they blow guys out mixed inbetween, but they are not consistent and that’s the big issue

          (grabs megaphone)
          Welcome to baseball. Every team works like that. There is no team that goes out there and scores, say, 7 runs every day.

          Agreed, Jeter’s been a disappointment all year. No problems with that.

          • Matt says:

            So if I complain that they are not having a good offensive night and they are winning, it doesn’t matter because they are winning? Then once they blow the game because guess what, they didn’t score enough runs and the pitcher made one mistake that cost them, I can’t say anything now because the pitcher should have held the lead, right?

            So no matter what the offense does, it can never do anything wrong. And the 7 for 11 after that was against some of the worst pitching in all of baseball coming out of the Cleveland bullpen. Two rookie starters with mediocre stuff and nothing off of them.

            There is a difference between having the typical ups and downs of baseball and having stuff like 11 in one game and 2 in the next. It’s 6.5 runs per game, it looks good statistically, but you only had a realistic shot to really win one of the two games. If you scored them like 9 and 4 even you probably have a much better chance of winning both.

            Jeter… I just hope he doesn’t get the extension they’re going to give him, because if it were anyone but him and they had a year like he has, they’d get 2 years/$15 million at most on the market.

            • bexarama says:

              No, it’s just people only show up when they’re losing and never show up when they’re winning. It is terribly irritating.

              So no matter what the offense does, it can never do anything wrong

              Where did I say that? The first five, six innings of yesterday’s game made me want to tear my hair out. So did the pop-up-a-thon of tonight’s game. But believe it or not, the Yankees have a really good offense. I’m not sure why you’re trying to argue otherwise. What other offense would you rather have?

              There is a difference between having the typical ups and downs of baseball and having stuff like 11 in one game and 2 in the next. It’s 6.5 runs per game, it looks good statistically, but you only had a realistic shot to really win one of the two games. If you scored them like 9 and 4 even you probably have a much better chance of winning both.

              Except the Yankees aren’t really like that. If it was that extreme, they wouldn’t be that good a team.

  190. larryf says:

    Joba from the stretch with nobody on. has that been all season? have I missed that?

  191. JM says:

    At least the top of the lineup is up in the eighth. Come on, Joba, don’t let us down!

  192. monty burns says:

    Garza needs to be off camera. Many what clown.

  193. sleepykarl says:

    I like how they keep talking shit about Joba as he is mowing guys down.

  194. Mattchu12 says:

    I really liked Mark Melancon, but between the money and what we traded, I absolutely love this trade. Fat Elvis could go off at any point, I love it.

  195. Ross in Jersey says:

    First 1-2-3 inning Joba has thrown in what feels like centuries.

  196. Andy says:

    Is the guy who has the .76 ERA coming in now? Awesome. This is going to be a fun inning.

  197. T-Dubs says:

    Yanks about to land Kearns via Rosenthal



  198. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:

    Good inning for Joba right there. Hopefully this is the beginning of positive regression.

  199. frank says:

    Melancon and Jimmy Paredes to ‘stros for Berkman.

  200. B.J. says:

    Yanks on the verge of trading for OF Austin Kearns per Jon Heyman on Twitter

  201. All-Star Carl says:

    New post. We got Kearns. Shocked.

  202. monty burns says:

    Good! Didn’t want to lose Russo. He in next years utility guy. Pena and his invisible bat have to go.

  203. All-Star Carl says:

    Man this would be an aggravating loss.

  204. Matt says:

    Somebody must have made a typo on the memo the Yankees received.

    You’re supposed to show up for innings one THROUGH nine, not one AND nine.

  205. Newbie says:

    Haha Michael Kay with the “Dionner Navarro was an all-star!” yet again.

  206. Chip says:

    And there’s Joba’s first infield fly on the year

  207. bexarama says:

    Joba was pretty frigging awesome tonight, at least.

  208. monty burns says:

    Thats the best slider Joba has thrown all year.

  209. larryf says:

    So who did we trade for kearns?

  210. monty burns says:

    an A-Bomb from Arod. I am calling it here.

  211. All-Star Carl says:

    Soriano is gonna choke this game away.

  212. Total Dominication says:


  213. All-Star Carl says:

    Great a pop up.

  214. Andy says:

    Alex’s leg kick is huge. Not good for him.

  215. All-Star Carl says:

    Another pop up!

    • Matt says:

      That’s what happens when you go up there trying to go deep off a guy with a good fastball he can run it in on your hands.

      Every hitter in this lineup trying to go deep, rather than trying to fight some base hits off and give themselves a chance to tie it with something smaller.

      Of course it will now be Hughes’ fault for blowing a 2-0 lead, rather than the offense’s for scoring ZERO since they took said lead in the first.

      • Brian says:

        Exactly how do you know that they were “going deep”?

        And thanks for giving Wade Davis ZERO credit.

        • Matt says:

          Wade Davis doesn’t deserve much credit for tonight’s game. How many one pitch outs did they hand him on a platter? They hit 2 or 3 balls early on that he was lucky to get away with, as they died on the warning track.

          And it’s pretty obvious when a team is trying to hit home runs, as opposed to just getting under some balls. You can tell from the swings, so don’t try to lecture me about how you “can’t possibly know!!!” They were just missing some of them, but that’s what happens when you face pitchers with good fastballs.

  216. phughesisgod says:

    Apparently Lance Berkman will officially become a Yankee at 1:30 eastern tomorrow.

  217. Kevin in Delectable Princeton says:

    Holy shit Jorge you are slow.

  218. Total Dominication says:

    Damnit, whatever, we’ll get them tomorrow.

  219. monty burns says:

    wow way to give the game away.

  220. Nikhil R. says:

    Any other Yankee would have beaten that out. Dammit

  221. forensicnucchem says:

    Wow is Posada slow…

    That game really sucked.

  222. larryf says:

    Berkman would have beat that one out too!

  223. Cy Farnsworth says:

    Say what you will, but the Rays are a very, very good team. That was a tough loss.

  224. All-Star Carl says:

    Why is he jumping up and down like they clinched the pennant?

    • Poopy Pants says:

      They DID beat a team that spends $200 million.

    • Matt says:

      Because these games matter a ton in the standings, and the Yankees don’t have much wiggle room to give away games like they did tonight.

      Wish the Yankees players played with the kind of intensity that the Rays came out with. Giving away at bat after at bat once they took the lead in the first, trying to coast to a win behind Hughes instead of finishing the job.

      • All-Star Carl says:

        Jumping up and down though? It’s July.

        • Matt says:

          It’s annoying to see on the field when you lose, but these games matter a lot. If the Yankees came out and played their hearts out and came back and won this, I’m sure you’d love to see that kind of intensity out there.

          • bexarama says:

            Stupid Yankees they’re just not trying hard enough!

          • poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

            I promise you, if the Yanks came back and won, I would not have once mentioned the word intensity.

            • bexarama says:

              Seriously. Remember that last game against the Dodgers? That was fucking awesome. But I don’t think I was crying about the intensity of the team or whatever. Just how awesome they were.

              • Matt says:

                That Dodgers game is a prime example of why this offense has been a disappointment so far.

                Look at what this lineup can do when they are firing on all cylinders. That 9th inning was a piece of beauty, but the reason they finished the deal was that they were PATIENT with Broxton to the point where he wore down and fell apart.

                Up and down the lineup that night, they made Broxton work really, really hard for his outs. That is what I feel like this offense could do a lot more out there, which is why I feel like they are not quite there yet.

                They have so much talent in that lineup, but they are inconsistent between games, in approach, etc. In the games in which they consistently wear a guy down like that, they tend to really put a hurting on him.

                • poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

                  So let me guess this straight. We:

                  . Have the best record in baseball

                  . Lead the league in comeback wins

                  . Lead the league in runs scored

                  And yet you can say with a straight face that the offense has been a huge disappointment?

                  I want some of what you’re having.

                  Actually, maybe not.

                  • Matt says:

                    Just because you are doing well already, it doesn’t mean you can’t do even better.

                    When half your lineup is struggling and you are still scoring runs, that’s great, it means you have a great team. Nowhere am I denying that.

                    It doesn’t mean the offense has been as good as it can be. Sitting around and saying “good enough” is not a great attitude to take either, no?

                    You can make up for some sluggish offense with a few big time clutch hits here or there, like they did in the playoffs last year. It doesn’t mean the offense is as good as it should be.

                    Having the best record in baseball is wonderful, but using that as a comeback to comments about the struggles of hitters in the lineup is ridiculous to say the least. The record is good because you have so many good players that you can make up for it. It doesn’t mean that all of them are living up to what they can do.

                    If this team ever fires on all cylinders, you will see exactly what I mean. Look at what the games were like in April. It felt like opposing teams had almost no chance to beat the Yankees every single night. Every opposing pitcher was gone after 5 or 6 due to high pitch count.

                    • bexarama says:

                      This is ten thousand times saner than what you were saying before, though.

                      Rarely do you get teams like the 2009 Yankees though, where so many guys have career years. I think we got spoiled by them. Our offense is still extremely good, when runs overall are down anyway.

                • bexarama says:

                  they were PATIENT with Broxton to the point where he wore down and fell apart.

                  Not to discredit the lineup here but the fact that Torre had hilariously overused Broxton probably had quite a bit to do with the fact that he wore down and fell apart.

                  But… I guess nothing is ever good enough. (And here’s where you fire out the WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING EVERYTHING IS GREAT WITH THE OFFENSE? strawman, probably.)

      • Ross in Jersey says:

        Are you the Matt from LoHud? If so, please go back there. Your whining about the offense beyond this game gives new meaning to the words “pants on head retarded”

        • Matt says:

          I don’t know how anyone in their right mind can think this offense is doing its job on a consistent basis.

          The starting pitching has carried this team all season, but they are not going to be perfect every night. How many games do you win when you score 2 runs? Not very many, regardless of who is on the mound.

          But they lead the league in runs scored OMG!!!! How about they save some of those runs for all of these close games they keep giving away? If they won even 1/3 of the games the offense and Joba have failed to put away, they’d be 5 games up on Tampa right now.

          • poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

            We also lead the league in wins, so I’d say the offense and pitching staff is doing a fine job.

          • Ross in Jersey says:

            Give me a break. By your measure, every offense in the history of the game has been bad outside of the 1927 Yankees and MAYBE the 1977 Reds.

            “All these close games they keep giving away”


            • Matt says:

              Now you’re just being ridiculous by trying to extend my statement to its most extreme interpretation.

              This offense has been a huge disappointment this season, regardless of their “numbers.” I don’t know how anyone who watches the game can disagree.

              Do you feel like this team can fight back to steal games when they fall behind early? Do you feel like this team can bail pitchers out when they give up a home run to blow a lead? I don’t think many people have much confidence in this lineup when they get behind.

              Even though their numbers are the same or maybe better, this is not the same caliber of offense as last season. With runners on base, they tend to leave their element and get too aggressive.

              • Ross in Jersey says:

                Wow. Just wow. Please, go back to LoHud.

              • bexarama says:

                Well seeing as they have the most comeback wins in baseball and all

              • poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

                Dude, I don’t know how anybody who DOES watch the games can possibly say with complete seriousness that this offense is a huge disappointment. That statement is mind-bogglingly ridiculous.

                • Matt says:

                  Right, because it hasn’t been like people have been riding Jeter, Teixeira, Granderson, A-Rod, etc all season for their off years?

                  Everything has been so fine and dandy all season with this offense, or so you’d think when you read the posts of people who think the team can never do any wrong.

                  Until Teixeira started to finally pick it up offensively, this lineup was struggling big time to sustain consistent scoring. A few home runs help make up for a lot of bad at bats around them, but that doesn’t work every night.

                  • poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

                    Some people are assholes. But we have the best record in baseball, we lead the league in comeback wins, and we lead the league in runs scored. You can bitch and moan, but honestly, you sound like a total asshole.

                    • Matt says:

                      Which is exactly my point. The offense leads baseball in runs despite how bad some guys have been, which means they could be a lot better than they have been.

                      They still are not quite there, and nights like tonight show that there are still many guys struggling in this lineup.

                      Imagine if Jeter was working 4 or 5 pitch AB’s instead of 1 pitch outs? Even just one guy turning it around in that case would tack on an extra 10 or so pitches to the starter’s pitch count, which probably would have knocked Davis out of the game an inning earlier.

                      Games like the Broxton one give you a taste of what this offense could do if it ever got it going, with all the hitters together grinding out at bats in succession.

                    • bexarama says:


                      Jeter’s sucked this year. Granderson sucked until this hot streak he’s been on. A-Rod’s having a down year for him. Tex is having a down year for him. No one is denying this /Simmons’d.

                      It’s just lame to say our offense is bad/pathetic when we lead the league in runs scored, OPS, wOBA, etc. What offense would you rather have?

          • bexarama says:

            But they lead the league in runs scored OMG!!!

            Is this a bad thing? Would you rather they like… not… score the most runs in the league?

            The starting pitching has carried this team all season

            Even if this was true, which it’s not (well, it’s certainly a factor), is this a bad thing? Look at the Padres. Look at the Giants. Heck, look at your Super Intensity Superhero Rays. When we were an all-offense-no-pitching team from 2004-2007, people whined and bitched. Now we have good pitching (combined with an excellent offense) and people… whine and bitch. I don’t get it.

            How about they save some of those runs for all of these close games they keep giving away?

            Baseball doesn’t work like that.

            • Matt says:

              Obviously baseball doesn’t work like that, are you serious? It’s called sarcasm.

              Yes it’s good to have lots of runs, but having a lot of them in one game and few in the next is not a way to win ballgames. They are INCONSISTENT, which is what I’m saying.

              I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to score runs or have good starting pitching. I’m merely pointing out that people are giving the offense too much credit. They have won many games this year in which they never would have had a fighting chance had their pitching been even ok.

              That’s the benefit of good starting pitching of course, but to act like this team has no holes in the lineup is a little short sighted. Lance Berkman will make a huge difference in this lineup, just for the fact that he will help restore the mindset of working deep counts.

              • bexarama says:

                Again, this is a lot saner than what you were saying before. It’s kinda like you have two personalities, the batshit “this offense sucks!” side and the more sane “there are some disappointing years in the lineup” side.

                I don’t think Berkman is going to make a HUGE difference but he is a really nice pickup.

      • Pasqua says:

        Please share the way in which you measure the “intensity” exerted by a baseball team. Or, did they just not “want it” enough tonight?

      • JohnnyC says:

        Intensity? No, I think they played hard and gave a good effort. Smart? You may have a point there. The one mistake that Hughes made was not only a question of missed location but also a brain cramp on his and Posada’s part. You do not make mistakes on the inner part of the plate late and with a small lead. If you miss the plate, let it be low and outside.

    • forensicnucchem says:

      Because it’s a big win that almost counts double because you control the destiny of the team you’re chasing in the standings.

  225. Pat D says:

    Sigh. Hate losing the first game of the series, especially against a good team like this. Really can’t afford to lose the next two.

  226. Ross in Jersey says:

    Would have been nice for the Yankees to save some of those runs in Cleveland for this game. What an awful performance after the first inning.

  227. Mike Axisa says:

    Oh well. Get ‘em tomorrow. All you can do.

  228. poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

    You know, this loss really isn’t THAT big of a deal. We could get swept and still have an excellent shot of winning the AL East. It’s seriously not that big of a deal overall. There are 2 fucking months left. Get a grip, guys.

    And no, I’m not alarmed by the supposed “lack of intensity” that I don’t think exists.

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      Of course a team doesn’t look like it’s trying when they don’t hit. That’s been observed by half a billion people. Baseball isn’t a sport where you can bang your head on a locker and pump yourself up enough to win a game. You need a balanced, relaxed approach and when it doesn’t work it looks lazy.

      Anyway. I wouldn’t want them to get swept. It would be nice to put some distance between us and them and take the next two.

      • poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

        Of course I don’t WANT them to get swept. It would be fantastic if we won the next two games. But winning the next two games, or losing them, will not define this season.

        • Ross in Jersey says:

          Of course not, I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise. But getting swept by the Rays would be a pretty big deal. This is August now, it’s time to separate yourselves from the competition.

          • poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

            Right. But if we lose the next two games, I’m not panicking because we’ll STILL ony be one game back with two months left in the season.

            Seperation would be a great thing. But we can win the division without seperatng from Tampa Bay RIGHT NOW.

            We can also win the WS without winning the division, BTW.

  229. larryf says:

    I will watch Montero run the bases tomorrow night. He has to be faster than Posada…

  230. poster on the same computer but a different desktop says:

    Another thing: We all know Posada’s slow. Saying it over and over will not make him faster.

    I understand you’re all frustrated, but Posada has been this slow his ENTIRE CAREER.

  231. The Goose says:

    This sucks. No run production.

  232. Dave says:

    This game makes me a sad panda.

  233. YankeesJunkie says:

    Hughes pitched very well today. It was a shame that he gave up that home run. His FB-CB was great today, would have like to seen him get a win, but sometimes 1 pitch can wreck a game.

  234. JohnnyC says:

    Joe Maddon kind of reminds me of Spencer Tracy playing Casey Stengel. But it’s hard to tell whether his managing owes more to Casey or Tracy.

  235. All-Star Carl says:

    Jeter also needs to pick it up.

  236. The Goose says:

    I have a feeling tomorrow’s Yankees will be a bit different though.

  237. Zanath says:

    Tough game. Hopefully Javy continues pitching well tomorrow. I am a bit nervous if he can keep the Rays down, but I have faith. And let’s hope the no-hitter curse continues with Garza.

  238. Tom Zig says:

    Tough loss today. We’ll get those suckers tomorrow.

    • Zanath says:

      Good attitude! And if you want to look for positives from today:

      Joba looked impressive

      Hughes pitched a great game aside from that one pitch.

  239. Ross in Jersey says:

    Nice of Detroit to burn out Valverde and give up a grand slam to the corpse of David Ortiz. Just stupid.

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