Jul
22

Joe Girardi and the Cubs

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Two days ago, former Yankees’ player and manager Lou Piniella announced his retirement from baseball, effective at the end of the season. It wasn’t exactly a surprising announcement, and the popular belief was that he was not going to return to the Cubs as their manager next year one way or the other. His contract is up, the team is underperforming, and new ownership just took over. The entire front office regime could change as well.

Sure enough, there has since been plenty of speculation that Piniella’s successor could be none other than current Yanks’ manager Joe Girardi. And why not? It makes plenty of sense on the surface. Girardi (and, I believe, his wife, but don’t quote me on that) grew up not far from the Windy City in Peoria. He went to school at Northwestern in Chicago, was drafted by the Cubs and broke into the majors with them before returning for a second stint later in his career. His roots in Chicago obviously run very deep. It’s a match made in baseball heaven: a manager with success in a large market coming back to manage his hometown team. They make movies out of this stuff.

Clearly, Girardi is a favorite of GM Brian Cashman and the Steinbrenner family. They basically handpicked him for his current job after the 2007 season, stuck by him during the disappointment of 2008, and heaped loads of praise on him for last year’s World Championship. Even though the organization does not negotiate new contracts with its members until their current deals expire, it was a foregone conclusion that the Yankees would re-sign Girardi to a very lucrative deal after his contract ended this winter. There was no reason to suspect otherwise, at least not until all this Piniella stuff happened.

If nothing else, the Cubs’ opening gives Girardi some serious leverage when the time comes for his new deal. His current contract has an average annual value of $2.5M, which is above the league average but not insane. It also includes incentives based on how far the team advances in the playoffs. For comparison’s sake, Terry Francona makes $4M annually, Ron Gardenhire about $3M. Even though the 2010 season is a long way from over, Girardi will certainly command a raise based on what he did last year alone, perhaps something along the lines of what Boston is paying Francona. That shouldn’t be a problem for the Yankees, who paid Joe Torre more than $6M a year from 2005 through 2007.

Talking strictly from a baseball perspective, there’s almost nothing the Cubs could offer Girardi that the Yanks’ couldn’t match, if not exceed. The North Siders have bad contract after bad contract, an okay but not great farm system,  and a shaky front office situation (though that may change over the next three or four months). The young core of the next great Cubs’ team is not in place and needs time to develop. You’ve got Geovany Soto, Starlin Castro, Sean Marshall, Andrew Cashner, and…Marlon Byrd? The Ricketts Family can talk all they want about spending big and fielding a competitive team, but the Cubbies are not one or two or five moves away from contention. The Yankees give Girardi everything he could possibly want from a competitive standpoint. They know it, he knows it, and the Cubs know it.

What the Yankees can’t offer Girardi is home. Sure, he’s settled down in the area, but I’m sure the Chicago area is still home to him. I lived on the West Coast for a few years after school and I ended up moved back to New York simply because I missed being home, and I’m a whole lot younger than Girardi. Can you imagine how much a career journeyman backup catcher misses being settled and at home?

I can’t speak for Girardi and his preferences. Not many people get to play or manage or coach or whatever close to their hometown in this game, so I would certainly understand if he wanted the job. Maybe he wants a new challenge. Maybe he relishes the chance to manage the team that breaks the Cubs’ more than a century-old World Series drought. Maybe he just wants to go back to the National League so he can bunt and double switch and wheel play until he turns blue in the face. Whatever the reason, it won’t be because the Cubs give him a better chance to win.

I hope he stays, but I’d understand if he didn’t.

Categories : Musings
  • jsbrendog (returns)

    so then this begs the question…if not him…..then who manages the jankees next year?

    • http://twitter.com/stephen_mr Stephen R.

      Joe Torre.

      • Brien Jackson

        If Joe Girardi leaves and Torre is available, the Yankees will have to offer him his old job back, otherwise they’ll be just like Pol Pot, who refused to admit a mistake and bring back disfavored staff.

        /McCarver’d

        • Johnny O

          this got an LOL out of me. Pol Pot. who’s next, genghis kahn? atilla the hun?

          • Pat D

            Idi Amin should be better in the public consciousness, there was a movie made about him recently.

    • Tom Zig

      Fredi Gonzalez

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Trey Hillman. Cashman loves him.

      • jsbrendog (returns)

        hmmmmm

      • Pat D

        I know he can probably be a decent manager and he managed in the Yankees’ system for years, but he was fired by the Royals. I don’t see that playing well with the tabloids and the fanbase.

        • Brien Jackson

          Girardi was fired by the Marlins. Winning cures all.

          • Pat D

            Yea, but he was a Yankee. A Yankee who won 3 World Series as a player. A Yankee who hit a big triple off Greg Maddux in a decisive World Series game. He didn’t have to be sold to the fanbase or the tabloids, and most intelligent people clearly saw that he was fucked over by a dickhead owner.

            So it wasn’t like he was fired for incompetence, which you could say for Hillman, since I know Rob Neyer at least several times picked apart his in-game decisions.

            By the way, did we thank Jeffrey Loria for firing Girardi yet? Cuz it did help the Yankees.

            • Chris

              Wouldn’t being fired by the Royals for supposed incompetence be a plus? I mean, it’s not like the Royals shown good judgment in their other personnel moves.

              • Pat D

                I see what you’re saying. Obviously they have pretty terrible decision making in terms of personnel, but Hillman’s record doesn’t inspire confidence either. They won 75 games his first year, then only 65 last year. They were 12-23 when he got canned this year, and have been 29-30 under Ned Yost, who we must remember got fired with 2 weeks left in a season when his team was in a pennant race.

                I don’t know if that necessarily means anything, but it’s worth mentioning, at least.

                Here’s a name I haven’t seen mentioned yet: Willie Randolph.

                • Ghost of Scott Brosius

                  Please god no

            • Ed

              I may have the details slightly off here, but Giradi wasn’t a saint in Florida. Yes, the owner was an ass. But Girardi told him to STFU or something similar in the middle of a game and got caught by the TV cameras in the process. Girardi shares some of the blame for things going wrong in Florida.

              • Pat D

                The owner was sitting near the dugout during a game and thought he was Mark Cuban, arguing with the umps from the stands. Girardi, knowing it was going to hurt his team, told him to shut up. Loria just couldn’t handle that. Girardi was fired then, it just didn’t take effect until the end of the year.

                • Tom Zig

                  This is the correct story. Has an owner ever been ejected by an umpire? How weird would that be?

                  • Pat D

                    If it was Jeffrey Loria getting ejected, it would be pretty freakin’ hilarious.

              • MikeD

                Ed, the negative stuff about Girardi was put in the media by the management in Florida. The ownership there is a nightmare organization. Is it possible Girardi also told them to stuff it? Sure. That doesn’t mean he was wrong. Last, even if we want to assume he did a few things wrong, let’s not forget it was also his initial year as a manager. As we saw with him in 2008 to 2009 with the Yankees, he also learns from his mistakes, such as how he handled the media. He received great reviews in Florida and ultimately won Manager of the Year after the Marlins fired him. The problem wasn’t Girardi.

        • Kiersten

          If I recall, the tabloids didn’t exactly love the hiring of “Clueless Joe.”

          • Pat D

            They sure didn’t. And what had he accomplished in 3 previous managerial stints? A record of 894-1003, 1 division title and 0 90-win seasons. He had a long track record of mediocrity at best, so it was fair to question him. Obviously that didn’t last.

            It was different with Girardi because he only managed one year, took a team expected to lose 100 games to somewhat of a respectable record, and then got canned because of a dickhead owner.

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

      Tony Pena.

      • http://fmylife.com Bryan

        Or Don Mattingly, but I’d give Pena an edge.

        • ADam

          Pena if GI Joe goes in all seriousness

          • Gonzo

            I think Pena deserves a shot. Don’t the players like him too?

        • steve (do)

          In blazing copper?

    • ADam

      “Bring Back Joe Torre, its the only way to show respect to him, because as we all know Torre Made the Yankees and Steinbrenner’s, and not the other way around”

      For Joe Bucks a$$hole I’m Tim McCarver

    • A.D.

      Ryne Sandberg

    • Rose

      Tony Pinga Pena?

    • ZZ

      Montario: Player-Manager

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Excellent. What about the Red Sox’ Greenville Drive manager, Billy McMillon, whom Kevin Goldstein recently described him as “dominant”?

        /meme mash up’d

    • Tom Zig

      Bernabé Figueroa (Spanish for feared) Williams

  • Ross in Jersey

    I don’t really have any sort of emotional attachment to Girardi. He’s okay. His best attribute is how he keeps the arms of his pitchers fresh. Though then again, that may be over-exaggerated since I was so used to see Torre blow through arm after arm.

    Joe seems to manage personalities okay but not great – him and Posada clearly don’t see eye to eye – and I like how he shows confidence in guys when they’re struggling.

    I doubt any of this is hard to find in a new manager, so if he left I really wouldn’t care that much. I’m sure Tony Pena could manage this team to the same number of wins.

    • jsbrendog (returns)

      him and Posada clearly don’t see eye to eye

      yeah but they played together and have completely diff styles…i could see how it wouldnt be easy even to be civil but they are so thats good

    • Chris

      There are very few managers in baseball that handle a bullpen as well as Girardi. When you look at the relievers at the end of the season, no one is overworked and the better relievers have consistently been used in the highest leverage situations. Most managers screw up some part of that.

      As for Posada, what evidence is there that they don’t see eye to eye? And even if they don’t, who really cares?

    • steve (do)

      Quick ?: does ANYONE other than Jeter see eye to eye with Posada? Love the guy, but he’s a total red-ass

  • zs190

    For all our complaints about some of his daily decisions, Joe’s been a good manager for us. He handles the media very well and the players like him a lot. He’s passionate about his work and he’s delivered the results, I hope he comes back next season.

    • Ghost of Scott Brosius

      Cosign. In a lot of ways he’s also been a breath of fresh air after the staleness and tension of the late Torre years.

  • Frank

    Mike- There’s just one thing you overlooked- his name is Ryne Sandberg.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      I think there’s something to be said for that, but if Girardi made clear his desire to manage the Cubs, they’d hire him in a heartbeat over Sandberg, if they were smart. Which I’m not so sure about.

      • Brien Jackson

        I don’t know, if Sandberg is competent, the marginal upgrade to Girardi won’t be worth much (certainly not worth the difference in salary the two would command), and I would imagine the fan base would respond more positively to Sandberg.

      • Rose

        I agree with this. If the choices are between Girardi and Sandberg – they will obviously choose Girardi, and rightfully so. But don’t rule out Sandberg due to inexperience. The team as a whole is in the toilet – and from the looks of things it could be a while. Why not take a risk and give a new mind a shot? See what he has to offer? He’d be significantly cheaper and it’s not like he can make them much worse.

    • http://rayzayasrivera.tumblr.com Ray Fuego (RIP BOB SHEPPARD & GEORGE STEINBRENNER)

      I think Sandberg gets the cubs job and Girardi stays in NY

    • Gonzo

      His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson. His name is Robert Paulson.

  • Brien Jackson

    How much value is there really in the “being home” thing though? I mean, whereever he is, he’ll still have to be away at Spring Training for 2 months, still have road trips during the year, and can live wherever he wants in the off-season. Is there that much of an advantage to coaching in the place you want to live at the end of the day? And does Girardi live in Chicago during the off-season? I guess I could see him wanting to take the Cubs to a title, but honestly, who can look at that team and see that happening anytime soon?

    I don’t presume to have any idea what Girardi wants to do with his career, but obviously he can make a lot of money with the Yankees, be reasonaly assured of having a constantly contending team, and frm the looks of things, a pretty competent front office. And from the outside looking in, it sure seems lie the organization, from ownership to the front office to the coaches, are a fairly tight-knit group that gets along pretty well. Adding in Girardi’s age, depending on how long he wants to stay in the game, I can easily imagine him managing the Yankees for 20+ years, and I’m just saying, you can rack up a lot of wins and championships and build yourself a nice little HoF resume with the Yankees in a lot less time than that. Just ask Torre.

    • Ed

      Is there that much of an advantage to coaching in the place you want to live at the end of the day?

      When you have kids, yes there is. The school year overlaps with the beginning and end of the baseball season, so he’ll probably want his family to spend that time where they live in the offseason. So either they live in New York year round, or his family spends most of the year in Chicago while he lives alone in NY during the school/baseball overlap.

      • Brien Jackson

        According to Wiki, he lives in Westchester full time.

        • Chris

          But his family is in the Chicago area. His father has Alzheimer’s, so being closer to him would possibly be a benefit in his eyes.

  • pollo

    You know who Lou Pinella reminds me of?

    Buck Showalter.

    I hated Buck Showalter. Please don’t leave Joe. You make funny moves sometimes, but you are the lesser of the evils.

    • http://fmylife.com Bryan

      Piniella >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buck Showalter.

      • Pasqua

        I know you’ll probably never read this comment, but…how in the hell do you figure that?

  • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    I have some problems with this hometown/family angle. I’m definitely not saying you’re definitely wrong here – I think it’ll be clear my point is just that this is such an amorphous area that we can’t really have any idea what it means.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, obviously, but I believe that when you lived in CA, you were a kid without a family of your own who had no other ties to the area. Joe Girardi is in his 40s, has a family of his own, and has some pretty serious and long-standing ties to not only the NY area but to the organization that employs him. This isn’t just an Axisa vs. Girardi comparison situation, but you used your own experience as an illustrative point so I’m just stealing it for the same purpose – and I’m pretty sure one experience/situation has very little to do with the other.

    Do we know how much family Girardi still has in Illinois? Are his wife and kids happy and settled here in NY? Does he have ties with anyone in the Cubs’ front office? Are his ties to Illinois deeper than the fact that he grew up there, a couple of decades ago?

    Like I said… I’m not telling you you’re wrong, I just don’t think we have nearly enough information to even approach that aspect of this conversation. Like you, I spent a few years away from my home-area, and in my experience… If I had a family and personal and professional ties to the area that I lived in… I would have loved to have stayed there.

    So whatever… Kind of a long comment about a pretty unimportant point I guess, sorry. I just don’t think this ‘he grew up in Illinois’ angle is necessarily a big deal. Given his ties to this area, his ties to the Yankees as an organization and his ties to specific people within the organization, I’d be surprised to hear he has to fulfill a boyhood dream of being a part of the Cubs organization. I mean, even if he ever felt that way, he’s kind been there, done that, already.

    • Rivera Venue Blues

      Haha, that’s a lot of words to say, “maybe the hometown angle is a bit overblown.”

    • Rose

      These are definitely good points. Even if Mike Axisa’s and Joe Girardi’s situation were the same…you still wouldn’t be able to come to a conclusion. Everybody’s personality is different. Some people are intraverts, some extraverts. Some people hold their past dear to their hearts and some people are always looking to move forward, not backward. There are so many circumstances and factors involved that it’s literally impossible to try and figure out what somebody else you barely know will make for a decision months from now.

      Although I think Mike’s overall point was just some justification for his understanding if Girardi does choose to go “home.” I don’t think he was necessarily saying that there’s a good chance due to the situation he once had. But I could be wrong.

    • Johnny O

      I think Girardi stays. But I believe Girardi has a very sick father (alzheimers maybe?) in the Chicago area? I think he spent last all-star break visiting him. He might have died by now, but I vaguely remember that story. However, various narcotics have done some damage to my memory so don’t bookmark this.

    • Brien Jackson

      FWIW, like I said above, according to Wiki Girardi lives in Westchester full time.

  • Rose

    Do the Yankees win the World Series in one of the past two years if Don Mattingly was the manager you think?

    • Brien Jackson

      Depends on how competent of a manager Mattingly would be. If you’re asking if there are other coaches/managers who could have managed the team to a title, then yes, absolutely. Probably dozens.

  • Rose

    Obviously, it all depends on how Girardi feels. Andy Pettitte loves his family and loves home and even went there for a short stint but still came all the way back up north to New York to play where he continues to play. Mike Mussina, on the other hand, is/was a borderline Hall of Famer but still didn’t care. He knew that time spent with his family at home was worth more than any arbitrary Hall of Fame induction. Both of these guys are/were loving family men…but chose different paths.

    Which path would Girardi choose? Ultimately and obviously – it’s up to him and his family. I’m sure another World Championship will help him make up his mind a little quicker though…at least I hope.

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    There is Zero chance he leaves the yankees

    i think he actually wants to win division titles and championships, and being on the cubs, he wont be able to do either with that terrible roster

    I think one player would make me hesitate to join the cubs: Alfonso Soriano

    That guy has digressed since he signed that fat 126 mil contract and is a massive albatross

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Don’t look now, Sori is actually having a very good year. His contract is still terrible though.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      There is Zero chance he leaves the yankees

      Hyperbole: Obvious and intentional exaggeration. An extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally.

      • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

        but i’m serious about the zero chance thing. i think this is some rumor created by the media, like the bill cowher to the carolina panthers angle for the past 2 seasons (although in 2011, cowher could go to the panthers, there wasnt a chance in hell he would go there the past 2 seasons).

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          You may be serious, but there’s always a chance, however small it may be (and none of the posters on this site have any idea about how big or small it might be).

  • Rose

    Who doesn’t want to manage the New York Yankees? Especially now that George Steinbrenner isn’t around to make you as anxious as you might have been with him there in his prime.

    I could see if the Cubs were close to being a Championship caliber team but they’re so far away. That way, it would be nice to be the first manager in 103 years to win a World Series for them. 103 years…I still can’t believe that’s even possible for a popular team in a good market. They haven’t even been to the World Series in like 65 years. Boggles my mind.

    Meanwhile, expansion teams in mediocre-to-poor markets have won several World Championships in that time. But even having bad management teams for over 103 years (let alone 65) has to be some ridiculous odds.

    • Rose

      That being said. I think all of us RABies should put our money together (or save up and then do it) and buy the Pirates. They are one of the cheapest teams out there – but they have the history, fan base, and a brand new beautiful ballpark on top of it that would make it quite an investment. You could turn that shithole of a team around in no time with the proper moves. It’s a nice little sports town to market in as well. If I had the money I’d do it in a heartbeat!

      • Ryan

        There is no Pittsburgh fanbase. I go to Penn State so most kids are from the Pittsburgh area. They have never been alive for a winning season let alone a playoff team. Baseball is not recognized as a professional sport nor will it be unless they win multiple championships

        • Ross in Jersey

          That’s a shame, because they have a pretty rich history and a beautiful ballpark. Pretty clear that Pittsburgh is a dominant football town, though.

  • Klemy

    Yeah, I don’t see the hometown angle applying here. To me that’s probably just interesting storyline.

    The Cubs aren’t close to anything and Girardi has a quality team and none of the old pressures that came with it. He has bargaining power, he may use for a raise, but I don’t see him walking away from a job here for what the Cubs will have to offer.

  • Rose

    If anything I think these headlines will get Girardi thinking about it. Otherwise, I don’t think he would have ever really put much thought into it.

  • Gonzo

    In all seriousness, I think the smart move for Joe would be to wait for that job in a few years. In a few years, he could command more money & respect(assuming more rings) and they might be over some of those awful contracts.

    He could come in when they are on more of an upswing, and be a freaking hometown hero.

  • Ghost of Scott Brosius

    It would be one thing if it seemed like maybe he was a guy who didn’t enjoy the New York atmosphere or spotlight. But if you look at Joe, he always seems very at ease and happy in his job. I’ve almost never seen him flustered or angry in an interview-he genuinely seems to love the team, the organization, and the position he’s in. There is absolutely zero indication that he doesn’t consider being manager of the Yankees the absolute best thing in the world for him. And remember, we’re not talking about a late Joe Torre who had won so much and been so glorified that he came to believe a little in his own genius, and probably didn’t have the same hunger to win-we’re talking about a guy on just his second managerial job, with only one World Series to his credit, and the chance to stay with this team for 3-5 years and do some serious winning.

  • Januz

    Girardi who played for the Cubs, and who also went to Northwestern knows that Cubs and Northwestern, might as well mean the same thing…… Futility. Northwestern will never win a National Championship (They have not won a Bowl Game since 1949), and the Cubs have not won the pennant since 1945. He stands a legitimate chance to go to Cooperstown, if he stays with the Yankees, and wins two more titles. If he goes to the Cubs, he would essentially turn into Pat Fitzgerald (The NW Coach), who although very good, knows he can’t deal with Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, and starting next year, Nebraska on a consistant basis. I would be shocked if he left.

    • Pete

      I, don’t quite understand, what a comma is, supposed to do.

  • Mike Nitabach

    The Cubs suck. Why would anyone move from the best team in the majors to a team that sucks? And, while Wrigley Field is of course awesomely historical, it is pretty much a shithole. My understanding is that the new Yankee Stadium has the nicest player/management facilities in the majors. You spend all day there at least 81 days per year, that’s gotta have an effect as well. And given the amount of travel, being “home” in Chicago probably means much less for a baseball job than for a regular job.

    • Ross in Jersey

      The Cubs suck. Why would anyone move from the best team in the majors to a team that sucks?

      Like Mike said, the idea of winning in a place that hasn’t won in a long time appeals to some people. You’re basically a God in that town forever if you pull it off. See: Francona, Terry.

      And given the amount of travel, being “home” in Chicago probably means much less for a baseball job than for a regular job.

      The team is still home half the year. It’s not like they stay at the ballpark during the season… once the game is over and you’ve talked to the press, you go home. He’d spend plenty of time at home in Chicago, if it matters to him it’s certainly a factor.

      That said, I don’t think he’ll leave the Yankees unless Chicago blows him away with a huge contract. It’s all about the money in the end.

  • pat

    Joe doesn’t seem like the type of guy who would basically stab the Yankees in the back and flee to Chicago at the end of the year. He’s had all of his professional success here in NY, and the Steinbrenners handed him the keys to the castle after he was fired from his last job. IMO he’s way too loyal to unceremoniously leave the Yankees after everything they’ve done for him.

    • http://lh4.ggpht.com/_NPaCuwJ_TTk/TEXzMBKSX_I/AAAAAAAAAPk/HMuWr2Ipz14/s512/arod.jpg ROBTEN

      I think “stab the Yankees in the back and flee to Chicago” is a bit strong.

      He signed a contract with the Yankees and he will have fulfilled that contract at the end of the year. To say that the “Steinbrenners handed him the keys to the castle” and that it would be unloyal to leave essentially mistake the position of the fan for that of the employee. While we might not imagine wanting to manage another team, we don’t know what Girardi wants to do. Perhaps he grew up wanting to manage the Cubs and this is is opportunity to do so. Further, and more importantly, the idea that an employee should show “loyalty” to their employer when it is not likely that their employer would do the same is, I think, problematic. They may want him to stay on as manager, but that doesn’t mean that Steinbrenners are not going to look to negotiate with Girardi. Girardi should do what is best for him and his family. If he feels that his life would be better in Chicago then more power to him.

  • Pete

    Eh, I don’t see there being that big of a pull. Chicago may be where he grew up, and where his father lives now, but Westchester has been his home for a couple years now. Will he really want to move his family again?

    What’s more, the difference in job quality would probably be enormous. On the one hand, you have the Yanks – great roster, great ownership, and Brian Cashman (whose standing as a safety net for his players and his manager has been greatly understated during his tenure, IMO. He’s essentially the anti-Big George; I can’t think of a single rash decision he’s ever made). On the other hand, you have…the Cubs.

    There’s a chance that he goes to Chicago, but I don’t think it’s likely.

  • dan l

    If the Cubbies want him they can have him!

    • Pete

      YEAH! WE WANT DUSTY BAKER!

  • http://cards.devonyoung.com/ Devon & His 1982 Topps blog

    You just made me think… what if Girardi and Piniella switch places? I’m sure the Yanks could make the right offer to lure Piniella out of retirement..in 2011 or 2012. Piniella has a history in the Bronx, it could work really well for everybody. It’d also be fun to see the Yanks have a firey manager again. What do you think?

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Meh. I’d prefer Girardi. Am I the only one who’s just not all that impressed by Pinella?

      • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Correct me if I’m wrong… But I think maybe you’re just not in the age group that would feel nostalgia for Piniella in pinstripes. I think to you he’s probably more the Mariners/Rays/Cubs Lou, no?

        • Nickel

          Yeah, possibly. I’m just young enough to not see Piniella play, but I am old enough to remember him managing the Yankees.

          • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Same. I don’t particularly want him managing the Yanks, but my ears definitely perk up at the idea for the nostalgia factor alone. I totally get (and agree) with thinking he seems overrated.

      • Nickel

        You’re not the only one. Maybe this is totally irrational on my part but I always thought he ws overrated. I don’t know if it’s because he never even took th Mariners to the World Series despite that team being really good, or the fact that he was the manager of the Yankees during the mid-late 80s right when it seemed like the wheels were kinda falling off the bus for the Yanks. It probably also has something to do with him having the reputation of one of those guys that yells and screams a lot (both at players and umpires). He reminds me of some coaches I had in Little League that I didn’t like. That schtick just gets old really quickly.

        • Nickel

          Please forgive the typos in here. I’m working with a really crappy keyboard.

  • Sean C

    I work with a ton of Cubs fans (here, in good old Peoria, IL) and they’d LOVE to have Girardi managing the Cubs. However, the popular rumor around here is that Ryne Sandberg will get the call once Pinella is gone. The Cubs seem to have spent some time developing his managing skills in the minors. He handled the Peoria Chiefs (A), the Tennessee Smokies (AA) and the Iowa Cubs (AAA) since 2006. Seems like a compelling fit to me…

  • MikeD

    This is just a rumor started by the media, probably out of Chicago, and now out of NY. People got to write about something.

    Joe’s a young guy. He’s still only in his mid-40s. He has plenty of road in front of him — decades of road — if one day he wants to manage the Cubs. He’s in a good situation in NY right now and since I don’t see the Yankees being outbid by the Cubs for the services of their manager, the chances of Joe not being in the Bronx next year fits somewhere between slim and none. This is just a media created story. I’m sure Joe loves it because it does give him leverage, but he’s not leaving.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvg7Empjfg Captain Jack

    Only an idiot would leave the Yankees for the Cubs.

  • Cookiepuss

    It is absolutely ridiculous that Joel Sherman of the N.Y. Post (who is praying the Yankees let go of Girardi or Girardi bolts for the Cubs) has penned this non-story with the Yankees in first place and having a comfortable lead on Boston (7 games), the best record in M.L.B., and 70 games left to play.

    It’s real simple folks:

    If the Yankees win the 2010 World Series, Girardi is going nowhere.

    If the Yankees lose the 2010 World Series, Girardi is most likely going nowhere and if he bolts for the Cubs he is the ultimate mercenary-ingrate loser who cares more about money and comfort than winning because if I lost the World Series, my eyes would be white with rage and I would want to not only manage the team I lost with back to next year’s World Series but sweep the team who beat me in punishing fashion.

    If the Yankees didn’t make the 2010 playoffs (highly unlikely) or make it past the first round or A.L.C.S. (possible) and Girardi went to the Cubs, whatever. The Yankees wouldn’t miss a beat esp. if they signed Cliff Lee and/or Carl Crawford, got rid of Granderson, and signed a reliever or two.

    Bottom line is Girardi needs the Yankees way more than the Yankees need him. Don’t tell me if the Yankees hired Don Mattingly for my guess two years (not three because he has zero managing experience, not one because that puts him under the gun), we would be lamenting about the loss of Girardi, we wouldn’t. Mattingly jerseys would fuggin’ fly off the shelves.

    One could seriously argue Girardi’s ridiculous allegiance to Joba as the eighth-inning man is the primary if not sole reason why the Yankees aren’t currently 5 games ahead of Tampa Bay and 10 or more games ahead of Boston going into this series vs. K.C. I expect the Yankees to take 3 out of 4 in or sweep. This weekend will be the first true test of how well Girardi has managed this season.

    • bonestock94

      Wait, what?

  • rek4gehriig

    I assume Girardi is with the Yanks cos he wants to win? Cubs? Yeah right…

  • Poopy Pants

    He should do whatever makes him happy.
    Maybe winning with the biggest payroll isn’t quite as fulfilling.

  • runnerkmf

    If Girardi leaves (and I really don’t believe he will), the Yanks have to go after Mattingly.