Jul
14

Lefty bat should be Yanks’ first priority in the second half

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Under normal circumstances the best team in baseball probably doesn’t need to change a lot around the trade deadline. They got there for a reason, and unless they have reason to suspect that one or more of their players’ performances will change in the second half a few tweaks will probably suffice. The Yankees, however, are not playing under normal circumstances. The AL East contains three of the best four or five teams in baseball, so even a modest losing streak can put their playoff chances in jeopardy. They would be best served by exploring all options that can improve the team in any way.

The Cliff Lee deal made sense from that perspective. He’s going to pitch better than the Yankees’ current fifth starter in the second half, so he would have been an upgrade to the rotation. He also would have rendered one of its members, probably Javy Vazquez, expendable, meaning they could trade him to help shore up another area of the team. At the same time, there are other deals out there that more directly address the team’s concerns. Those moves will not require the Yankees to trade Jesus Montero.

The bullpen presents one area of concern. Joba Chamberlain remains in the eighth inning role not only because the Yankees want to show confidence in him, but because there is no viable alternative on the roster. I sometimes delude myself into thinking that Robertson and Marte can handle that role, but it seems like every time they’re given a chance something goes wrong. The rest of the bullpen is probably closer to a DFA than a regular setup role, so something must be done to address this concern. Problem is, as I’ve repeated, that every team could use bullpen help, making relievers prohibitively expensive on the trade market. The Yanks might make a move here, but I see them focusing on a different spot.

Nick Johnson is done. The team might not have officially ruled him out for the season, but we should know better than that. It’s a shame, not only because the signing was a complete bust, but because Johnson is exactly the type of hitter the Yanks could use right now. A left-handed hitter probably ranks among the team’s biggest wants. Maybe a better utility player ranks among their wants as well, but a left-handed hitter with some power would make more of an impact, since the Yankees could use him as both a DH and PH.

Against left-handers the Yankees are set. They can play either Posada or Cervelli at catcher while using Marcus Thames, who was signed specifically to hit lefties, at DH. It’s against righties where the team hits a snag. Posada could DH in some of those situations, but that doesn’t make the best use of the team’s resources. It would mean more Cervelli at catcher, and considering his performance since May 18 (.197/.271/.239), the Yankees shouldn’t want more of that. It would essentially be surrendering the value they’d be gaining at DH for the value they’d be losing behind the plate. This means the Yankees should be on the market for a left-handed bat, preferably someone who can occasionally pop the ball over the porch in right.

Juan Miranda should and likely will get another shot in the role. He has hit well at AAA this season, and has been on a tear since returning from a minor injury. His performance at the major league level this year was nothing great, but he also appeared at the plate only 51 times, hardly a sampling by which to judge him. Even if he does get a full shot he’s not going to be a feared PH/DH option, but he can provide more value than, say Kevin Russo, who has a whole two plate appearances since June 19. Still, the Yankees might want to explore the market for a more reputable option.

There are a few left-handed DH types on the market right now, including Adam Dunn and Adam LaRoche. The Mariners will likely make Russell Branyan available, but I doubt Cashman would deal with them at this point. Lyle Overbay‘s season looks disappointing, but he’s hitting .309/.388/.463 since June 1 and is hitting .269/.358/.453 on the season against right handed pitching. All of these players will become free agents after the season, and so far it sounds like only Adam Dunn will carry a hefty price tag. The Diamondbacks might be apt to trade LaRoche and the Blue Jays might deal Overbay because neither figures to net them a free agent compensation pick.

Beyond these players the Yanks might be stuck. There are currently 17 teams either leading their division or within five games, so those teams almost certainly will be of the buying, or at least the holding, type. Looking at the rosters of the non-contenders, there don’t appear to be many players who fit the mold of LHB with pop. There is Carlos Delgado, who could return this month, but he brings no guarantees either. The upside is that he’d cost just money, and if he didn’t work out the Yanks would be in the same position as they are right now.

Considering the players available on the trade market and the Yankees’ current needs, the team probably won’t make a big splash in the next two weeks. The current team is strong, and if they continue realizing Mark Teixeira‘s production and if A-Rod truly is, as he said at the Home Run Derby, feeling stronger, then a lot of their minor issues will correct themselves. They could still use help with a left-handed bat, and they’ll have options. It just probably won’t be a big-time, sexy name. The team just doesn’t need that right now.

Categories : Offense

220 Comments»

  1. Rose says:

    Beyond these players the Yanks might be stuck.

    No David DeJesus?

    • I just don’t see the point. The Royals have a $6 million option on DeJesus so they’re probably not pressing to deal him. And if they do deal him he won’t come cheap, because a $6 million option is pretty attractive for an above-average player like DeJesus. He also fits best in the outfield, where the Yankees already have one of the better arrangements in the league.

      • Rose says:

        Very true. But would Adam Dunn be pretty expensive as well? The Nationals don’t really need to trade him…and were even mulling an extension…and they’re becoming a pretty decent team and will only get better over the next few years…they could use his veteran bat amidst all the maturing and growing of the younger guys…

        Don’t think he has an option though.

    • JohnnyC says:

      Allegedly, he’s high on the Red Sox’s want list.

  2. Andy In Sunny Daytona says:

    Free Juan Miranda!!!

  3. Jose the Satirist says:

    I would love to see Carlos Delgado get a shot. He has crushed right handed pitching throughout his career to the tune of .287/.399/.582 With the only risk being money I like it even more.

  4. Frank says:

    I like LaRoche- he had some good ABs vs. the Yanks last month. I can see him doing well in YS. I’d also like Luke Scott although he’s currently on the DL and I doubt the O’s would deal him to the Yanks.

    • A.D. says:

      LaRoche is also a far better 2nd half hitter, about 130 OPS pts better in his career.

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      I wish I would stop getting Andy LaRoche and Adam LaRoche confused.

      • I wish I would stop getting “having fun playing with my buddies on South Beach” and “being someone’s bitch” confused.

        Sincerely,
        LeBron James

        • Jorge says:

          I usually love your posts, but give it up on Lebron. He was not endebted to sign with the Knicks because they tanked the last two seasons in order to try and sign him.

          • I have no problem with LeBron not signing with the Knicks. The only problem I have is with him forfeiting his legacy by signing up to be someone’s sidekick. Had LeBron gone to Chicago or the Nets or the Clippers or stayed in Cleveland, I wouldn’t have said a single bad word about him. He didn’t.

            He bitched out.

            • Rose says:

              Couldn’t agree more. His legacy is ruined. He didn’t even have the decency to tell the team he played for (for 7 years) what he was leaning towards and why. He just held a narcissistic tv “special” announcing his decision surprising everyone like it was a sitcom or reality tv show trying to get as much ratings as possible instead.

              Had he signed an extension for say 3 years (impossible though) and still carried the team and failed after a total of 10 years or so and then wanted to go on to greener pasturess or something…maybe that’s a different story…but to go 7 years almost making it…and just quitting…throwing in the towel so he can find the easiest route possible – there’s nothing admirable about that at all.

              • Again, I’m not even disappointed in him for leaving Cleveland. I totally get that part; Cleveland sucks. Getting out of that backwater dump for a better city and a better team makes a ton of sense.

                It just doesn’t make sense to hitch your wagon to another man’s star. That’s not the move of a man sure of himself, that’s the move of a man who just wants to have fun and party and win without earning it yourself.

                • Rose says:

                  I agree…but, like Joe Mauer, a person who grew up in the area and presumably gave so much to the area for 7 years…to just high tail it out of there for the far easier way out…that part ruins the legacy. He’s not any lesser of a player. He’s not going to lose talent from his decision. But his legacy as a whole (which ever way you look at it – mine or yours) is tarnished because of his inability to think things through (or perhaps he did think things through and just didn’t give a shit…who knows).

                  I agree with what you’re saying though. And had he gone to the Bulls or something I wouldn’t have had as much of a problem either. I just hold players who stay with the same team over their entire career a little higher than others because of how rare (and special) it is these days…

              • A.D. says:

                He didn’t even have the decency to tell the team he played for (for 7 years) what he was leaning towards and why.

                Exactly could have respectfully informed a team & city that embraced him and loved him, that hey, in 7 years we didn’t get it done, I want to go to a team that puts the most talent around me to get it done.

            • rbizzler says:

              Let’s wait and see how this all plays out before you start passing legacy judgments on the Miami experiment.

              And, I am all in favor of Adam LaRoche coming aboard. As cited above, his strong second half splits and the ability to spell Tex at 1b and provide some lefty pop make him a prime target.

              • Rose says:

                Let’s wait and see how this all plays out before you start passing legacy judgments on the Miami experiment.

                Why would the end result matter? Whether he wins every year or loses every year in the end…his reasoning to go there is the same regardless. He wanted to (easily) win at any cost. He would have rather easily scooted by as a sidekick than personally carry a team into success like Jordan, Kobe, etc. did before him.

                • A.D. says:

                  LeBron has put himself in somewhat of a lose – lose situation. The championship is now 100% expected, if they win, they should because they “bought” & “colluded” their way to a championship, and LeBron will go down as not being able to do it himself.

                  If they don’t win, they’ll be considered a joke.

                • rbizzler says:

                  You have no way to know how things are going to play out in Miami. There is also no way of knowing that they are going to win anything or that LeBron is not going to emerge as the go-to-guy on the Heat. Just because Wade got there first doesn’t mean that he is going to dominate the rock in crunch time or age well (he is 28 to LBJ’s 25).

                  A lot of the ill will towards LeBron stems from his ill-advised one-hour special decision.

                  Can we also dispose of the notion that any one player has won a title ‘by themselves.’ Frankly, it is a ridiculous notion. Kobe is the prime example of how you need talent around you to win. In between his years with Shaq and when the Lakers robbed Wallace for Gasol, he didn’t win jack. Now, the Lakers win a championship with a supporting cast who was talented enough to carry the team in the decisive game when Kobe stunk up the joint. LeBron NEVER had that in Cleveland, so let’s not pretend they are equivalent situations.

                  • Kobe is the prime example of how you need talent around you to win. In between his years with Shaq and when the Lakers robbed Wallace for Gasol, he didn’t win jack. Now, the Lakers win a championship with a supporting cast who was talented enough to carry the team in the decisive game when Kobe stunk up the joint.

                    Kobe’s also the prime example of how you build a title team where you’re the unquestioned alpha dog and the rings bear your imprint and nobody else’s. Pau Gasol is a good player but nobody will ever say that these past two Laker teams were “Pau’s teams”. Even on those nights where Pau outplayed Kobe, those rings were still Kobe’s rings. Pau’s the sidekick, Kobe’s the leader.

                    LeBron went to Dwyane Wade’s team to play with Dwyane Wade. Even if he outplays him, LeBron’s the sidekick, Dwyane’s the leader. It’s going to take a shitload of production and hardware to change that.

                    • A.D. says:

                      Yup, short of Wade getting hurt pre-playoffs and Bron taking over, it’s going Wade’s team. After all they call it Miami-Wade county.

                    • rbizzler says:

                      In three years, Wade will be at an age, 31, when 2 guards are in their decline phase. It is not out of the realm of possibilities that by that time, LeBron is viewed as the Alpha dog of the Heat.

                    • My favorite email from Bill Simmons’s “The Decision” column:

                      City: Cleveland
                      Name: Jeff
                      I’ve figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school.

                      Wade: 3 years at Marquette
                      Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech
                      The kid from Akron: no college

                      The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.

                      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ons/100709

            • Captain Jack says:

              Just like A-Rod bitched out to play for the Yankees? If you replace the words “Wade” with “Jeter,” “LeBron” with “A-Rod,” and “Miami” with “The Yankees” it sounds like a Francessa rant from 2004-2008. Come on, you can’t question who he is as a man just because he’s okay with not having the spotlight so long as he gets his ring.

              I mean, I can’t help but to think that if most fans thought that their team had a chance of getting him that this would be different. He took less money to win, he tried hard for seven years in Cleveland and they tried (yet failed) to surround him with the talent necessary to win a championship. It didn’t work out, the man wants to win a championship, he doesn’t want to end up like Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley. I feel really bad for the City of Cleveland, because their economy is, literally, based around LeBron James. I understand why Dan Gilbert absolutely lost his mind and I know why fans burned his jersey. It was an extremely cold way to leave, he couldn’t get Bosh to join him in Cleveland…being left without a viable Championship option elsewhere (perhaps Chicago, but even there he’d be playing in Jordan’s shadow way more than he’s playing in Wade’s shadow in Miami).

              The only fans, IMO, that are allowed to have ill-will towards LeBron James are Cavs fans. Why the fuck are Knicks fans pissed? Because he might have signed with them? Because he’s a Yankees fan? Because they sucked harder than they normally would to clear cap space? He’s from Akron, and he at least owed to his organization that put him first for seven years to let them know that he’s headed elsewhere before going on national TV and delivering the dagger.

      • Kiersten says:

        One plays for AZ and one plays for PIT. I have no idea which one plays where.

  5. ADam says:

    Bring Back Big G… hahahahahaha

    • Ross in Jersey says:

      It’s not a terrible thought, we know he liked playing in NY and could hit the ball a very long way. Unfortunately the Rockies aren’t going to deal anyone unless they collapse.

  6. Guest says:

    The Nationals will probably want to much for Dunn now. But if we believe in Gardner, would it make more sense to sign Dunn instead of Crawford since he will be cheaper? Crawford is obviously better, but I think Gardner is good enough to plug that hole and we can spend money saved by not signing Crawford on Dunn. (Only, of course, if signing Dunn would not preclude us from sign Lee. Lee uber alles).

    • JohnnyC says:

      The money we save on Crawford is targeted for Cliff Lee. Also, Dunn would be a 3 month rental at a high prospect price since he’s stated emphatically he doesn’t want to DH. And you don’t want him playing the field!

      • Ross in Jersey says:

        He’s beyond terrible in the outfield, and his range at 1B is not good compared to Tex, but he’s not a terrible first baseman. At least, not as bad as everyone seems to make him out to be. He worked on his defense a lot and is pretty passable over there these days. Maybe telling him that he could rest Tex 10 times a year would be enough to get him :P

        • tomaconda says:

          Dunn is not as bad as you think in the outfield. Hes no Carl Crawford but hes no Marcus Thames either. He would definately put this offense over the top, could play first once a week and could play twice a month in the OF. The only problem with getting Dunn is it takes the DH spot away from Posada.

    • But if we believe in Gardner, would it make more sense to sign Dunn instead of Crawford since he will be cheaper?

      Absolutely. The question is, however, would Adam Dunn sign with us to be a DH? He’s made his aversion to the AL and the DH known quite vociferously on several occasions. It would be interesting to see what he would do if we actually pursued him vigorously.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals says:

      personally, i’m over dunn.

  7. Problem is, as I’ve repeated, that every team could use bullpen help, making relievers prohibitively expensive on the trade market.

    Nitpick: if you can identify potential reliever targets who are impending free agents and good bets to be Type A or Type B free agents and have a good likelihood of declining an arbitration offer and signing elsewhere, it can make sense to spend a prospect on one given your likelihood of recouping that prospect in next June’s stacked draft.

    I agree that trading prospects for relievers in general is dicey, but that’s a way to do it smartly for minimal risk.

  8. 43ec43 says:

    Guys: enuf! They’r enot getting Dunn, not getting LaRoche (andy or adam), O’s won’t trade with Ys so forget Wiggy. Let’s stick with bullpen help. That’s where the achilles heel sits. A-Rod and Tex will make up for the lack of production we saw in first half.

  9. JLew says:

    Kinda off topic but Alex Gonzalez traded to Braves, Yunel Escobar/ Jo-Jo Reyes sent to Jays. Prospects to Braves

  10. More lefty bat options (2010 split v. RHP):
    Ryan Church, PIT (.194/.254/.331, .242 BABIP)
    Mike Fontenot, CHC (.291/.340/.405, .326 BABIP)
    Scott Podsednik, KCR (.296/.348/.380, .333 BABIP)
    Jim Edmonds, MIL (.281/.344/.453, .356 BABIP)

  11. steve says:

    …ah…howz about the Giambino after Colorado upgrades Helton out of there.

  12. Steve H says:

    Personally I’d go with Delgado with Miranda as the backup plan. By the time Delgado either proves he can or can’t play, we’ll be past the July 31st deadline, and you don’t want to necessarily rely on a trade after that, as their will be plenty of teams (hopefully all of them) with higher waiver priority. Since many of these guys are in their last year, claming them on waivers to block a move elsewhere won’t be a huge risk. I think Miranda’s bat is ML ready against RHP, so if Delgado comes in and fails, I’m fine with Miranda at that point, but Delgado’s upside is greater, some may even call it ridiculous.

  13. dalelama says:

    What do you think it would take to get Matsui back? If I were GM I would consider rolling the dice on him for 2 reasons, he is a good fit for YS and he can get hot in bursts. I know he hasn’t had a great season in LA but he is better than what we have now and has a track record of clutch performance. So don’t scream but just give me an estimate of what it would take to get him back…Thanks

  14. Jorge says:

    There is a twinkle in my eye as I unreasonably over-romanticize the idea of Giambi retiring in pinstripes.

  15. JLew says:

    How much money will the Indians be willing to eat on Hafner or Astros on Berkman?

  16. ZZ says:

    Not sure if this is considered off topic-please feel free to delete if it is-but I think a RH bat is more of a need than a LH bat.

    The Yankees biggest weakness offensively is vs LH starters and a lot of the contending teams have lefties spearheading their rotation (Price, Lee, Lester, Liriano, Danks/Buehrle)

    Considering that weakness I think a RH OF should be the main target like Willingham or Cody Ross for example.

    I don’t think Thames is the answer considering the disparity in his stats from April compared to the rest of the season to date.

    • I wouldn’t mind adding a righty bat either, or even a switch hitter like Cristian Guzman.

      I bet Willingham and Ross will be priced higher than we should spend on a minor tweak, though. JMHO.

    • Jose the Satirist says:

      Yankees vs. LHP: 119 sOPS+ 103 tOPS+
      Yankees vs. RHP: 112 sOPS+ 98 tOPS+

      Not to mention the Yankees face many more RHP than LHP. Someone to mash RHP is more important at this point.

      • ZZ says:

        Look up the splits for LH starters

        • Jose the Satirist says:

          They also only have a .283 BABIP against left handed starters, and a .315 BABIP against right handed starters. If that moves more towards the .304 BABIP against all right handers and the .300 BABIP against all left handers their artificially worse numbers against left handed starters will become better.

          • ZZ says:

            Whose to say those numbers are artificial?

            There are real reasons why there would be a disparity between their BABIP vs LH starters than other vs other pitchers.

            Most LH starters are very good, especially in the AL East, compared to most LH relievers not being so good. That is the most likely explanation in the disparity.

            Also, they have Curtis Granderson in their lineup who is awful against LHP and will obviously continue to have an even tougher time against pitchers like Lester and Price.

            Considering they will very likely face a team/s in the playoffs with an Ace-like LH starter it is a concern.

            The disparity in OPS between LH starters and RH starters is 35 points. The disparity between this year vs LH starters and last year vs LH starters is 73 points.

            Also, against Price, Lester, etc. in the playoffs I don’t think Granderson should be in the starting lineup.

            • Jose the Satirist says:

              They could be real numbers, I suppose. The highest gap in the last 10 years between LH starter BABIP and RH starter BABIP for the Yankees was .018 Currently it is .032, I’m hoping that is artificial.

          • A.D. says:

            BABIP for players don’t move to .300, they have some type of career norm. Its BABIP that for pitchers that will trend to .300

            • ZZ says:

              That too.

            • Jose the Satirist says:

              I never said it would move towards .300. I was suggesting they would move more towards how they are doing against LHP and RHP overall. Which just happens to be near .300 this year.

              • A.D. says:

                This still isn’t necessarily the case, instead you’d have to look at the career aggregates for the individual players against each type of pitching handedness and to then see what is likely for the team based on historical aggregate average.

                • Jose the Satirist says:

                  If in the last 10 years the Yankees have never had as big a gap as they do this year between BABIP against LH starters and RH starters and no real gap this year against LHP and RHP in other situations, I was of the belief that would be representative enough.

                  Your method would be more effective but quite frankly I don’t have the time to go through each current Yankee historically and compare with current performance. I guess I can’t back up my claim with definitive evidence.

                  • A.D. says:

                    Yeah I wouldn’t expect anyone to actually do that, and honestly I missed your note above on the gap generally being much smaller until now. That is an interesting trend however it may not necessarily be a great predictor of future results.

                    Guess we will see how it plays out.

  17. (thinks)

    It seems there’s a few ways of going about making a position-player/offensive upgrade:

    A.) Trade a good prospect for a good DH bat (i.e. Dunn/Willingham/Ross)
    B.) Trade a marginal prospect for a marginal DH bat (i.e. Overbay/LaRoche)
    C.) Trade a marginal prospect for a marginal upgrade over Cervelli at C and play Posada more at DH (i.e. John Buck)
    D.) Trade a marginal prospect for a marginal upgrade over Russo/Peña at 3B and play ARod more at DH (i.e. Cristian Guzman)
    E.) Scour the waiver wire for a veteran DH bat that can still produce (i.e. Delgado/Dye)
    F.) Stand pat and hope that Thames/Miranda can offer decent production

    I personally like options C and D the best, in combination, if possible. E is always an excellent supplement, as well. I like A the least by far.

  18. tomaconda says:

    What about Pronk, He still mashed righties!

    • teixmarksthespot says:

      Does Cleveland include the steroids in this scenario or do the Yankees have to buy them for him? That makes a real difference in the level of prospect we give up.

  19. JLew says:

    Pronk is over the hill, IMO.

  20. JLew says:

    I do have a feeling, that while Dunn’s cost would be prohibitive, he would put us over the top. I would be willing to trade anybody besides Montero/Romine.

  21. Steve H says:

    No point in getting Dunn now that Hughes blew homefield for the World Series. Dunn would only get to DH 3 of the potential 7 games.

  22. JLew says:

    You have to get to the WS first.

    • A.) We’re already the favorites to get to the WS, and will remain the favorites whether we trade for another bat or not.
      B.) Please use the reply button. It keeps the conversations organized. Thanks in advance.

      • JLew says:

        Just saying, the 1 game difference for Dunn is no biggie. He can pinch-hit, so it would be what, a 2 at bat difference. For Dunn, I would probably be willing to trade anybody besides Romine/Montero/Sanchez/Slade/Banuelos. I think everybody else is expendable for a key bat that we can probably convince to re-up if we can create playing time at 1b/OF for him. Who would you rather have in the 9th of a Game 7 against the Rays: Adam Dunn or Miranda/Thames. And if Dunn goes to TB, this entire blog will be moaning. Dunn is a perfect fit for our offense.

        • And if Dunn goes to TB, this entire blog will be moaning.

          Just like I said with Cliff Lee:

          Any deal where the Rays surrender some of their good or elite prospects for a rental to attempt to beat us this season will be an unqualified success for the New York Yankees. Slightly increasing their 2010 WS odds at the cost of dramatically downgrading their WS odds in all the years after that helps us, it doesn’t hurt us.

          I eagerly anticipate the Rays trading Wade Davis or Jeremy Hellickson or Desmond Jennings on some hired gun that they have no shot of resigning whatsoever.

          • JLew says:

            Its nice to value your prospects, but it is important to remember that they need to help the big league club. If Washington wants a package of Brackman/Murphy/Z-Mac or a similar package, I believe you do it because your goal is to win championships. Some of these guys are still years off, and if he walks, you get 2 picks in a loaded draft. I don’t want to lose to the Rays this October because I’m sacrificing decent prospects for the future. I have a long life to live, but I want to win every year, and the 210 million dollar payroll is a big investment in this year already.

            • JLew says:

              Matt Capps could possibly be leveraged, too.

            • If Washington wants a package of Brackman/Murphy/Z-Mac or a similar package, I believe you do it because your goal is to win championships.

              Cashman: Hey, Mike, what’s up?
              Rizzo: I’m moving Adam Dunn. You interested?
              Cashman: Absolutely. What’s the price?
              Rizzo: I was thinking maybe Brackm–
              [click]
              Rizzo: –an and Mur– Hello? Hello? Brian, are you there?

              … aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, SCENE!

            • I Voted for Kodos says:

              Conversely, if you keep trading away young, cost-controlled talent for older, high-priced talent, you’re hurting your chances of having a sustained run of greatness.

              The Yankees are in a great position to win right now. Trading away good young players for someone who isn’t that much of an upgrade hurts them in the future.

              • Trading away good young players for someone who isn’t that much of an upgrade hurts them in the future.

                Counterargument: Dunn is an elite bat, so saying he’s “not that much of an upgrade” is an understatement. He’d be a big upgrade.

                Counter-counterargument: Of all the teams in baseball, we need both an upgrade the least, be it small or large. So we shouldn’t need to trade a good prospect for a large upgrade, we should trade a marginal prospect or a non-prospect for a small upgrade, because it’s the most appropriate use of resources, all things considered.

                Let the more flawed and more desperate teams trade good prospects for big upgrades. Then beat them anyway.

                • Ugh. Edited:

                  Of all the teams in baseball, we need an upgrade the least, be it small or large. So we shouldn’t trade a good prospect for a large upgrade, we should trade a marginal prospect or a non-prospect for a small upgrade, because it’s the most appropriate use of resources, all things considered.

                  • JLew says:

                    I’ll agree that we are the best team. However, if Tampa gets Dunn, I think they might have a slight advantage. I get what you are saying with the small upgrade, but you also have to get the most out of it. In the playoffs, to GUARANTEE a win, which should be the goal, you need to be sure that you have the best team. Thats why they inquired on Lee. If you give up a good prospect and several decent ones to get this edge, I believe you do it.

                    • I Voted for Kodos says:

                      The problem is, there is nothing that can be done to guarantee a World Series win. In a short playoff series, any team is capable of beating any other team.

                      As it stands now, the Yankees have a great chance to win the World Series again this year. There are several trades that would give them a bit of a better chance this year, but making those trades would hurt them in the future. I’d rather they be in a better position to consistently make the playoffs than see them make a huge push this year and hurt their future teams. I want to win now, but I also want to win tomorrow.

                • I Voted for Kodos says:

                  Counterargument: Dunn is an elite bat, so saying he’s “not that much of an upgrade” is an understatement. He’d be a big upgrade.

                  It was absolutely an understatement the way that I wrote it. I completely agree that he’s an elite bat, and I’d love to have him on the team. I just don’t think he improves the team’s chances of winning this year enough to justify pulling the trigger. That’s what I was thinking when I called him “not that much of upgrade.”

                  • JLew says:

                    We must also avoid overhyping our own prospects when we have a chance to improve. You don’t want to look back in November and say “Oh, I wish I did this”. Prudence is nice, but when you have the opportunity to increase your chances of winning now, I think you make a gamble. In a series against a team like the Rays, I don’t see us as that much of a favorite, especially with question marks after Sabathia and Pettitte, aging stars in Jeter, Posada, and A-Rod, and a crappy bullpen. In other words, our chances may never be the same. If you could convince Washington to trade away Capps and Dunn for a package headlined by a guy like Brackman or so, you have to at least consider pulling the trigger, Brackman is 24 already and may not be considered a top flite prospect if he struggles again. Plus, if you lose the players in free agency, you get picks back to replenish the system.

          • I Voted for Kodos says:

            This.

            I’m hoping the Rays try to make a splash at the deadline to thin out their system quite a bit.

            • JLew says:

              Prospects are prospects- they don’t always pan out. There are some you really want to keep- a la Montero/Romine. Others, you gamble for more of a sure thing. Winning a World Series guarantees money, prestige, many things. We assume Tampa couldn’t re-sign Dunn. If they win the World Series, maybe Dunn takes a discount to stay. Meanwhile, if you take Dunn, you get 3 months, and then possibly 2 picks. Who says you can’t find a Scheppers-type player late in the 1st/supplemental to take. Remember, Porcello was supposed to drop to us in the Brackman draft. I have a feeling there will be plenty of good options left in next years’ draft.

  23. vchem says:

    Can somebody say Lance Berkman?!?

  24. HRbomber1113 says:

    What would you guys think about Dan Uggla? I know he’s not a left handed hitter but with the Yankees stating they want someone who can play 3B part time to rest ARod, i would think he is the ideal player to do that and still have the power and ability to DH when ARod plays 3B. Like most trades, I think it just matters what we have to give up, but if we were to give up a significant piece, at least he could play every day, give Arod some time off and I think he’s under control through next year. I just assume he’s available since he was during the offseason and it would be tough to jump 3 teams in the NL East

    • Kiersten says:

      Dan Uggla: not a utility infielder.

    • Klemy says:

      He’s also not a 3rd baseman.

      • HRbomber1113 says:

        obviously he isn’t a utility infielder or 3rd baseman. During the offseason i heard plenty of talk on MLBTR that teams were looking at him to play 3B so i assumed he was capable of doing so, at least passably for a game or two a week. Plus, 2B is a more difficult position to play. Just ask Jose Lopez and Chone Figgins. Figgins is a -8.2/27.2 career UZR at 2B/3B and Lopez is a career -2.6/5.2 at 2B/3B.

        • Scooter says:

          He’s not left-handed, but Jorge Cantu might not be a bad pickup. He’s playing 3rd now – but can play 1st, and can fit into the DH mix as well

  25. rek4gehrig says:

    The Mariners will likely make Russell Branyan available, but I doubt Cashman would deal with them at this point

    Not on your nelly. Branyan is a strike out machine

  26. nsalem says:

    Indeed a sellers market and a scary proposition to enter the stretch wit such a weak bullpen and bench. At least 20 percent of our team consists of players you would hate to see in a meaningful situation.
    On the other hand if you look at the teams that we are competing with you will see that their issues are far greater than ours. Rings have been won with far less than what we have now.

  27. Stultus Magnus says:

    I’d take a quality reliever over a lefty bat.

  28. JoeC says:

    The Angels aren’t making the playoffs. You think they’d trade us Matsui? He probably wouldnt cost much and maybe the short porch in right reinvigorates him.

  29. Carlosologist says:

    McAllister for LaRoche straight up? Z-Mac doesn’t really have much of a future in the Yankee organization and the DBacks need pitching.

    • Ghost of Scott Brosius says:

      I would do this if they would. I’m a pretty big Laroche fan, excellent power without an awful AVG and enough defensive competence to spell Tex if need be.

  30. Ghost of Scott Brosius says:

    I still think our current bench/bullpen problems are still largely a product of sticking with the same unproductive guys for too long, rather than trying our other internal options as replacements.
    As far as the bench goes, Russo and Curtis don’t do anything well enough to justify being on the roster. Even Pena is such a poor hitter that we really should have a better option, but his defense makes him livable. Russo and Curtis, however, need to be swapped with other internal options. Juan Miranda needs to be in the majors, getting AB’s. Now. I would give Chad Tracy or Eduardo Nunez a shot too.
    As for the bullpen, same story. Park, Logan, Gaudin- they’ve proven their ineffectiveness over and over. Let’s try Melancon, Sanchez, Nova, or McAllister.
    Give these guys the couple weeks before the deadline to see if any of them stick. Then reasess the trade market.

  31. Am I the only Kevin? says:

    It would have to be a move for LaRoche, no? Aren’t the Yanks prohibited from trading with other clubs?

    • Ghost of Scott Brosius says:

      We do seem to have a good working relationship with the Dbacks, if that’s what you’re getting at.

  32. Swazi says:

    This one may make sense but does hurt. Start building a trade with
    the Kansas City Royals around four players with the keys being Joba and Montero for Alex Gordon and Joakim Soria. Gordon could play the infield corners, the outfield corners, DH and PH. He might of figured something out in his AAA banishment that made hime one hell of a prospect a few years ago. Soria is a stud pitcher that could potentially lock down the 8th and maybe replace MO someday. Joba heads closer to home to close and get back on track in a quieter place. The question is what does KC think about Montero’s catching skills for the long term or do they flip him to another team needing a potential stud hitter that needs a position. I would want a couple players included to balance this out a bit better but what do you think about the core four?

  33. DCBX says:

    Dammit. I said during the offseason that Thome was the better bet over NJ. Ah well.

    Delgado? Seriously? We need to pay another guy to sit on the DL? Miranda all the way.

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