Aug
13

Yanks survive late surge, top Royals in opener

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Early on in the broadcast of Thursday’s game, John Flaherty and Ken Singleton talked some about this game having the potential to be what they called a “trap game.” The basic idea was that after such a grueling two game set against the Rangers, it would have been easy for the Yanks to fall into a lull and get a little too comfortable against the lowly Royals. Thankfully that did not happen and they kept their foot on gas right through to the end, escaping with just their fifth win in their last eleven games.

Good Thing They Tacked Some On

This game had a weird feel to it. The Yanks never had a substantial lead yet it felt like they did at times. I dunno, I guess that goes back to the “trap game” business I was talking about above. Facing a bad team with your ace on the mound, I suppose it’s easy to feel pretty confidence about the outcome.

Anyway, it turned out that the Yanks would need all four of the runs they scored tonight. Curtis Granderson and his new setup drove in the first run with a solid single back up the middle in the 2nd, then new father Mark Teixeira plated another run the next inning with a sac fly. Austin Kearns poured it on with a solo homer the inning after that, and Alex Rodriguez tacked another one on in the 7th with a run scoring ground out. Pretty standard stuff here.

It was a very blah game offensively. The Yanks had at least one runner reach base in each of the first eight innings, and they went a rather unremarkable 1-for-9 with men in scoring position. Two of their four runs were scored on outs, and really they only had two hard hit balls all night – Kearns’ homer and Granderson’s double immediately following that.

The most important thing is that the team didn’t just go to sleep and think they had this game won in the 4th inning. They applied pressure in each inning and threatened to score, but right now the balls just aren’t falling in for hits. Luckily they’re good enough to still win games when that happens.

For the sake of being consistent, the biggest hit in the game according to WPA was Granderson’s single in the 2nd, though Kearns’ homer was a close second. Subjectively, man it’s a good thing A-Rod got that run home in the 7th.

CC on Cruise Control

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When the Yankees gave CC Sabathia that enormous contract, they expected him to be The Man (capital letters, very important) in big games and in the playoffs. He’s absolutely met that expectation and then some, but there’s also a nice side benefit, and that’s games like this one. Even though they place second in baseball with a .275 team batting average, the Royals are one of the game’s weaker offenses because they don’t draw walks or hit for much power. Sabathia should chew right threw lineups like this, and that’s exactly what he did.

The big guy had the fastball working, topping out at a whopping 99.3 mph according to PitchFX, and from the looks of the data he eclipsed the 98 mph plateau about a half-dozen times. The Royals did collect ten hits off of him, but just two were hard hit (doubles by Alex Gordon and Wilson Betemit) and as we saw in the series a few week ago, Kansas City sure knows how to bloop the other team to death. Sabathia consistently worked out of trouble all night and never once appeared to be on the brink of a meltdown.

The final line with show three runs scored against CC, but two of those runners cross home plate when he was sitting in the dugout. He retired nine of ten in the middle innings while the Yanks were building their lead, and he exited with a pretty manageable pitch count of 110. He usually just starts to get warmed up around that mark. After two stressful games in Texas, Sabathia made this game feel a lot safer than it actually was. Solid work by the big man.

Leftovers

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Mariano Rivera wasn’t available tonight after working in both games against the Rangers and in four of the last five overall, but Sabathia almost made that a moot point by recording the first 26 outs of the game. David Robertson made things a little interesting with two outs in the 9th, but ultimately came through for his first save of the season and the second of his career. Mo should be available tomorrow, and there’s enough left in the relief well that Robertson won’t be sorely missed should he get the night off.

Meanwhile, I don’t have any trouble with Joe Girardi yanking Sabathia when he did, but based on what I’ve read in the comments and on Twitter, some people were complaining about it. I guess people complain about every little thing, but you know what I mean. Two players had already left the game with heat related ailments, and here you have his monster of an investment a man on the mound with 110 pitches already to his credit in a meaningless August game against the freaking Royals. What’s wrong with lifting him there? I mean, sheesh, save some bullets for a game that actually means something. Let’s use our brains a little here. Frankly I was surprised Girardi even had CC start the inning.

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One night after a four strikeout performance, Nick Swisher rebounded by going 3-for-4 with a walk before leaving the game with exhaustion. It was something like 106° on the field according to the broadcast, so it’s easy to understand Swish’s predicament when you include the last two games in Texas.

Congrats to Kearns on his first Yankee homer. One of these days Lance Berkman will go deep in pinstripes, I’m sure of it.

Derek Jeter picked up two hits and came around to score twice, and is now hitting .324 dating back to July 18th, a span of 19 games. Am I wrong in saying it’s about damn time?

Frankie Cervelli went 0-for-4 and saw just nine pitches total, but he did throw out a baserunner trying to steal that looks pretty important in retrospect.

The Rays were off on Thursday while the Red Sox lost on a Jonathan Papelbon blown save to the Blue Jays, so the Yanks’ lead over each in the AL East sits at two and six games, respectively.

WPA Graph & Box Score

After those heart attack games in Texas, this one was nice and easy. Here’s the box score, here’s the other stuff.

Up Next

Game two of this four game series will be played at the same time tomorrow. Dustin Moseley gets the ball against Kyle Davies. I’m sure everyone who bought tickets is thrilled with the matchup.

Categories : Game Stories
  • Apollo22237

    As crazy as we all got during that last inning, that WPA doesn’t go too high, hehe.

  • Stuckey

    “Derek Jeter picked up two hits and came around to score twice, and is now hitting .324 dating back to July 18th, a span of 19 games. Am I wrong in saying it’s about damn time?”

    No, you’d just be a common message board fan.

  • http://twitter.com/j_yankees j_Yankees

    One of these days Lance Berkman will go deep in pinstripes, I’m sure of it

    and when he does i will giggle like a school girl when someone says, “Fat Elvis has left the building”

  • kosmo

    Jeter has been alright since the All Star break.

    I was scratching my head when Girardi took CC out.He´s got Bloomquist for the final out so I say what´s the big deal if CC throws a few more pitches.I think his pitch count was around 110 and he´s still throwing in the mid-90s.It´s amazing the stamina CC has in 93 degree heat.
    Anyway they won.
    Kearns may prove to be the better pickup than Berkman.

  • candyforstalin

    leaving berkman on the bench after the left handed pitcher is taken out is just wrong. i don’t care how hot thames is.

    • http://twitter.com/Cnight_UP Cnight_UP

      If memory serves me right Thames hit a HR off a righty, and the GW single off a pretty good righty. You play the hot hand…

      • candyforstalin

        in my book, you play the best player. and it’s not like it’s even close in this case.

        • Zack

          In my book, you play the hot player.

        • Meat Loaf

          Who did you get that published with? I’ll take a copy, for the lulz.

        • andrew

          in my book, you play the best player for the given situation, taking not only matchups into account, but factoring how well the players have been playing as well . and it’s not like it’s even close in this case.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

    The end of this game was just weird:

    an extra-base hit for Bloomquist (who doesn’t hit those), an infield single for Betemit (who is very slow), and a strikeout of Kendall (who doesn’t strike out). All that was how a non-Mo Yankee got a save.

    I tell ya Suzyn…

  • Salty Buggah

    Good game overall. Only thing that keeps bothering like crazy is the fact that A-Rod’s OPS has dropped to .799. That’s just extremely appalling.

    • Esteban
      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Yo A-Rod, I’m really happy for you, and I’m’a let you finish, but Honus Wagner is the greatest shortstop of all time. ALL TIME!!!!

        (This will never get old to me)

    • candyforstalin

      a 9,7 bb% combined with a 15 ld% and a 13,3 hr/fb% will do that to you. just scary.

    • CountryClub

      Look at his numbers against leftties. Shockingly awful.

  • ShuutoHeat (GGBG > Crawford)

    Love the changes Kevin Long has made with Granderson’s batting stance, way less movement and more focused on seeing the ball compared to his previous jittery batting stance.
    I was never a fan of batting stances with too much movement and I’m glad Long helped Granderson dump all that useless movement.

  • larryf

    That pic of CC catching the ball back from ARod barehanded…. I notice he always does that-an unusual habit. Superstition? Hate for a jammed finger to occur. There is always something to worry about!

    • http://twitter.com/faketaleb Nom Chompsky

      That’s not what’s going on. CC is simply demonstrating that he’s gotten bored with pitching in the traditional manner and is ready to start Force pitching.

      • larryf

        love that handle but CC’s habit is still strange. Not as risky as reaching barehanded for those grounders up the middle…

  • Kiko Jones

    Meanwhile, I don’t have any trouble with Joe Girardi yanking Sabathia when he did, but based on what I’ve read in the comments and on Twitter, some people were complaining about it. I guess people complain about every little thing, but you know what I mean. Two players had already left the game with heat related ailments, and here you have his monster of an investment a man on the mound with 110 pitches already to his credit in a meaningless August game against the freaking Royals. What’s wrong with lifting him there? I mean, sheesh, save some bullets for a game that actually means something. Let’s use our brains a little here. Frankly I was surprised Girardi even had CC start the inning.

    Good point about wondering why CC pitched the 9th and the looming possibility of heat exhaustion. Gotta take care of the Big Man, no doubt. BUT, once he was in there and got 2 outs why not let him finish? Few things irk me more than pulling a starter that has worked hard and gone the distance only to have the bullpen give up the game. And Robertson came close to doing exactly that. (Granted, those 2 runs KC got in the 9th were CC’s responsibility.) I think we’d be singing a different tune if Robertson blows the save and/or game.

    Also, this isn’t April or May; games are not insignificant anymore, especially when the lead over the very dangerous Rays is a paltry two games or less. One bad series and the Yankees are duking it out w/the Sux. I’m not advocating to go off the cliff—that is both irrational and stupid—but a non-chalant attitude when your fiercest division rival is thisclose is not cool, either.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      BUT, once he was in there and got 2 outs why not let him finish?

      Because the only excuse for leaving a tiring ace on the hill in that situation is to get him a complete game, and managing to a stat is the stupidest fucking thing a manager can possibly do.

      Profanity added for emphasis.

      I missed the end of the gamethread, so I didn’t get a chance to spar with the waves of boverreactors who came out of the woodwork, but nobody — and I mean nobody — who bitched at CC being lifted has a single leg to stand on. The CC Sabathia who pitched into the 9th inning no longer looked like the CC Sabathia who started it. He was clearly gassed. You don’t leave a gassed pitcher in the game, you take him out and let a fresher pitcher finish things off. There is no benefit to the Yankees of having CC finish that game as opposed to DRob.

      None.

      Girardi lifting CC in the 9th isn’t “overmanaging”. It’s managing.

      Anyone who thinks that is overmanaging has never managed anything, ever.

      • Not Tank the Frank

        I wouldn’t make such a matter-of-fact proclamation on something that is completely subjective. What looks like a “tiring ace” who was “clearly gassed” to you, may look like a pitcher still throwing in the mid to upper 90’s, who still looked sharp, and who only gave up a couple bloop, bullshit hits.

        At the end of the day though, you can’t fault a manager for being cautious with such an important piece of the team. But last night, I don’t think, qualifies. My main point is this: Joe Girardi knew about the heat. We all knew about the heat, and it was a concern. Therefore, we should assume that Joe had a plan regarding his pitcher for this game regardless of the situation. His plan was to – at only 100 pitches – let CC back out to finish the 9th. What changed his mind? Was he really so much more fatigued after those 10 pitches?? If so, then he shouldn’t have started the 9th. If he was worried about fatigue, he should have brought in Robertson to start a CLEAN 9th inning.

        This seems to me like a manager who was very indecisive in this situation, and he went to the bullpen at the last minute to save his ass. It almost backfired on him. You’re right, Girardi was managing, but he managed it the wrong way.

        That’s my opinion, I am a manger, a DIVISION MANAGER, and I drive a Dodge Stratus.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          What changed his mind?

          The fact that CC looked much more gassed after those pitches he threw in the 9th than before them.

          Was he really so much more fatigued after those 10 pitches??

          Yes.

          If so, then he shouldn’t have started the 9th.

          If Girardi was blessed with the clairvoyance to see into the future, I’d agree with you. Since he’s just a regular man like you and me, I won’t fault him for not being able to see what was going to happen 10 pitches before it actually happened.

        • Chris

          His plan was to – at only 100 pitches – let CC back out to finish the 9th.

          I think this is where your logic falls apart. His plan likely wasn’t to let him finish the 9th. His plan was (more likely) to let him start the 9th and keep a close eye on him. Eiland came out earlier in the inning to check on CC, so obviously they were watching him closely.

          As for whether or not CC was “clearly gassed” and tiring, I think I trust Girardi and CC’s assessments over yours or mine or TSJC’s. They both said after the game that he was gassed at the end.

          • Not Tank the Frank

            Yeah I see where both of you are coming from. I suppose I just disagree with CC’s level of fatigue after throwing 10 more pitches. I have a hard time with that one. I would have like to have seen one or the other; Robertson for the 9th or CC (have a better opportunity to) finish the game. Of course, that’s barring any catastrophic circumstances where he’s giving up moon shots and missing with his location before recording those two outs. But that’s not what happened. The walk to Butler (was it Butler?) looked more to me like a couple of gift calls that looked like strikes.

            Again, why even let him pitch the 9th if you’re so concerned about him and you’re going to go out after every batter to check on him? It really just didn’t make sense to me.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

              Oh hey look, someone can dissent without resorting to lazy defense tactics.

  • Januz

    I would not be complaining about David Robertson after the performances of Papelbon and Broxton yesterday. Papelbon has 6 blown saves this year, and even worse than him, is Broxton. I don’t know if it is Torre’s managing, or what, but this guy simply does not have it. Charlie Manuel and the Phillies knew it, when instead of having Ruiz bunt with 1st & 2nd, no one out, and down 7-6, he lets him swing away, and knocks in the runs. I think about the Yankee game and a Cardinal Game as other examples of Broxton imploding on the mound.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      a. I dunno what this has to do with the Yankee game, exactly.
      b. Actually, Broxton hasn’t really been the same since… those two Yankee games.

  • Chris

    Meanwhile, I don’t have any trouble with Joe Girardi yanking Sabathia when he did, but based on what I’ve read in the comments and on Twitter, some people were complaining about it

    I did not know this, but Willie Bloomquist has a career .831 OPS against CC in 31 PA. I know the sample size is small, but it appears that it played into the decision.

  • Frank the Yank

    Game two of this four game series will be played at the same time tomorrow. Dustin Moseley gets the ball against Kyle Davies. I’m sure everyone who bought tickets is thrilled with the matchup.

    If you are living in Kansas City it doesn’t take much to thrill ya.

    • Klemy

      It’s probably a treat to wake up in the morning and still have everything in your lawn that you left there the night before.

  • Brian in NH

    the Red Sox lost on a Jonathan Papelbon blown save to the Blue Jays,

    I don’t normally root for players to be failures (even sox players) but man do I love seeing Papelbon melt down. Always puts a smile on my face.

    • pat

      Agreed. I wish him nothing but the best health for the remainder of the season.

      • jsbrendog (returns)

        i wish papelbon never to get injured but all of a sudden start pitching like jose mesa

        • CS Yankee

          He is…4 hits and a BB and got only one out. I like that he seems to blow the multiple run leads more often than not.

          /It’s icing on the icing’d

    • Zooboy

      I wonder if the nation gets its wish and Bard gets a shot at closing now. (I doubt it.)

    • Jerome S

      I was watching that game, and the announcers were gushing over papelbon so much that they even claimed he was equal/better than Mo.

      And the hits keep on coming…

  • CS Yankee

    On the CC thing…if he has a shutout with a low pitch count, I would leave him in but otherwise I would rather have the pen start the inning fresh with more room for error.

    The pen has been really solid to great lately and they need the work to stay sharp.

  • UncleArgyle

    Of course Joe had to yank CC. Everybody who follows baseball knows a pitchers arm will fall off if he throws over 110 pitches in a game.

    • pat

      In case u hadn’t noticed it was 100+ degrees and CC is about 300+.

      • UncleArgyle

        Maybe the Yanks should make him a reliever then. I guess he was getting fatigued. He was barely touching 98 with his fastball by the 8th innning.

        • mike c

          why do you care so much about CC pitching a complete game? 8 IP is fine with a 3 run lead… give the big guy a break now because the real work starts in october

          • UncleArgyle

            Its not like I’m suggesting he should throw 150 pitches to get a CG just to rack up the stats. But why send CC out to start the 9th, but then only give him a 10 pitch leash? Give him one more batter. In the grand scheme of things its not a big deal, but it also wouldn’t have been a big deal to let him throw 5 more pitches. And the move almost backfired….Just like a nearly identical move backfired on the Red Sox a few hours earlier. To be honest, that was on my mind when Joe came out with the hook.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              But why send CC out to start the 9th, but then only give him a 10 pitch leash?

              He didn’t give him a 10-pitch leash. He gave him a “You get to pitch until you start laboring and showing signs of fatigue” leash. There’s a difference.

            • Chris

              But why send CC out to start the 9th, but then only give him a 10 pitch leash?

              Because he was looking good at the end of the 8th, but during the 9th it became clear to Girardi that he was tiring. It’s not just about the results, but also about how CC was looking/feeling.

              • UncleArgyle

                lol ok, it was clear he was laboring. CC gave up four weak ground balls in the 9th and 2 happened to find holes. He was still throwing in the mid 90’s and had averaged 12 pitches per inning. Robertson gave up a hard hit double. Was he fatigued too? Or is he just less talented than a “tired” CC? Anyway, the won the game so its all good. In hind site its probably for the best anywway. But I still would have given him one more batter.

        • Chris

          There’s more to pitching than simply velocity. The first thing to go are your mechanics and you end up exerting more energy and putting more stress on your body because you try to throw just as hard. That’s a perfect recipe for an injury.

      • mike c

        k-rob > k-rod

        • mike c

          meant to make this a comment below
          /d’oh

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Nothing Joe did last night in the 9th inning was wrong.

      Nothing.

      It was the right decision to send CC back out there to start the 9th, because his pitch count was still reasonable and the weakest part of KC’s lineup was due up, and there’s a strategic benefit to not having to use any of your relievers on a given night.

      It was also the right decision to yank CC as soon as he started laboring, regardless of the base-out situation, because the risk of a fatigued starter either surrendering the lead or hurting himself far outweighs the above strategic advantage of the complete game.

      If anything, people arguing that CC should have been lifted earlier in the inning have an argument with some validity. But those arguing that CC should have been left in have no credible argument whatsoever.

      Girardi had nothing to gain and everything to lose by letting CC try to finish the game.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Please. It’s the Royals in early August. You want to save those bullets for the Rays and Red Sox next month. Let’s stop complaining about something so stupid just for the sake of complaining.

      Use your brain and think about the situation. Just try, it’s an enlightening process.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I swear, between “He took Pitcher A out of the game too early/too late” or “Why did he give Players B and C a game off on the same day” or “Player D should be hitting higher/lower in the order” or “He has a love affair with Bullpen Pitcher E and keeps running him out there even though he sucks”, etc. etc. etc…

        99.99999% of fan complaints about their manager are fucking idiotic. (Not just Yankee fans, but all teams’ fans, BTW.) There are a few things that managers do that are ridiculously stupid (like leaving your closer in for 40+ pitches) and should be ridiculed, but the overwhelming majority of Monday Morning Quarterbacking complaints people have are flat-out dumb and don’t stand up to any level of intellectual inquiry.

        You’re mad at your manager not because he actually did something wrong, but because he did something that you don’t like emotionally, because it doesn’t conform to what your preconceived notion of what baseball should be like. And your preconceived notion of what baseball should be like is pure bullshit. Things aren’t actually that way.

        People need to remember that not every game is life-or-death. You always have to balance the short-term and the long term. One of your jobs as manager is to not run your good players into the ground. Playing shorthanded on occasion is an unavoidable fact of life. And just because they used to play baseball a certain way two generations ago doesn’t mean it should still be played that way now.

        Oh, and (it doesn’t apply to this situation, but) sometimes good decisions produce bad results and bad decisions produce good results. Life is random.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          ::Hugs tommie::

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            GET A ROOM YOU PANSY QUEERS!!!!

            /IronHorse’d

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          99.99999% of fan complaints about their manager are fucking idiotic

          Please see what Red Sox fans said about Francona and the game yesterday. “He needs to bring Papelbon in for a clean inning!!!” When he brought him in, there were no outs and nobody on in a two-run game. How is that not a clean inning?

      • UncleArgyle

        Seems to me the complaining going on here is people crying in their milk because someone is audacious enough to disagree with them. My personal opinion is that I would have given CC about 120 pitches to finish the game, especially if your sending him out there to start the 9th. Is that ok? Do I really need to sit under the Bodhi Tree and reflect on that? I thought that was the point of the comments section, to voice your opinion. Anyway I apoligize for my lack of conformity, err enlightenment….

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          You are the one complaining!

          • UncleArgyle

            Sorry, I get confused as to the difference between “complaining” and having an “opinion”. Next time I’ll ask how I should feel about something so I won’t freak everyone out. We’re literally talking about getting ONE out against one of the worst hitters in baseball. Its like I was trying to make the arguement for a Flat Tax or something.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

              Your opinion was a complaint. People came in and argued with you. Then you resorted to the “oh, I’ll make sure I conform” line, which is lazy. People won’t agree about everything. The people in this thread thought you were wrong. You can accept that without resorting to lazy defenses.

              • UncleArgyle

                Joe, first off I respect your opinions and the work you do on this site. Its great stuff. And I hope no one takes this stuff personal. Having said that did you actually read my comments? I thought I was fairly clear stating that I would have given CC a few more pitches, especially if your going to send him out to start the 9th. In responce I was told my opinion was “Fucking Idiotic” and that I should try to “use my brain”. Now your calling me lazy. Maybe you can spare me the lecture on proper commenting? Has CC Sabathia thrown 120 pitches in a game before? Yes. Will he again? Yes. I personally felt he could have thrown 5-10 more pitches. People disagree, Fine. But people are acting like I suggested that the world was flat, or that RBI is a meaningful stat

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

                  I see where you’re coming from, but you’re the one who opened with the snarky complaint about the move. If you’ll look at the “use your brain” replies, they’re to that. Your responses higher in the thread were fine. Your responses lower in the thread, which were responses to the snark, were not. That’s what I’m getting at.

                  • UncleArgyle

                    Fair enough. I personally don’t feel my comments were inappropriate and I stand by them. But I also don’t take offense to other peoples posts. Us Yankee fans can have spirited discussions, its part of the fun. Anyway, lets be honest, taking out CC almost cost them the game. What happens if Kendal gets a broken bat bloop off Robertson and ties the game? Then would everyone be prasing Girardi for being pro-active? Really we’re talking about giving CC one more batter, on a night when he’s showing perhaps his best fastball of his Yankee Career. But I get it. Its the Royals, in august, and Robertson has been lights out lately. Maybe there are no wrong answers here.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Has CC Sabathia thrown 120 pitches in a game before? Yes. Will he again? Yes.

                  Does that mean he should have thrown 120 pitches last night? No.

                  Are people entitled to their opinions? Yes.

                  Does the fact that people are entitled to their opinions mean that all their opinions are by default not fucking idiotic? No.

                  Should those people with those opinions that are fucking idiotic be told to use their brains to try and start formulating opinions that are actually intelligent for a change? Yes.

                  • UncleArgyle

                    Are you this much of a dueche in person or just in these posts? I actually think your comments are usually pretty funny and spot on Tommy. But seriously, we’re arguing over 10 fucking pitches. That makes me an idiot? If Jim Leland was the manager, would he have yanked CC after 8 2/3s 110 pitches with a terrible hitter at the plate? Is he an idiot? I think your getting some chafe from being on your high horse so long.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      But seriously, we’re arguing over 10 fucking pitches. That makes me an idiot?

                      No, it doesn’t make you an idiot.

                      But your opinion that you hold on this one matter — that CC should have been left out there to finish the 9th inning simply because he’s thrown more than 110 pitches before in his life — that’s an idiotic opinion, yes. I won’t mince words on that. If that makes me a douchebag in your mind, so be it.

                      To be frank, I wasn’t addressing my original point (that 99.99% of managerial complaints are idiotic) specifically to you or to your complaint. I had others in mind with my words.

                      I think on the whole, your opinions are pretty sound and your analysis is generally well formed.

                      But on this matter, you’re wrong, and Girardi was right, and yes, your complaint is idiotic.

                      There’s no good reason to leave CC out there any longer than Girardi did. Yes, CC’s thrown more before, but he was laboring, it was hot, Girardi had solid, fresh pitchers available in the bullpen, and this wasn’t a must-win playoff game.

                      Given the big picture, the smartest thing to do was pull CC. That statement is pretty incontrovertible. Your opinion here, on this matter, does not make any sense at all. You’re not considering the bigger picture.

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                      While tsjc is probably being harsh, I don’t see what Jim Leyland has to do with anything here. I mean, if you don’t remember, Jim Leyland left Jose Valverde out there in a five-run game (which he made a one-run game because he had nothing and gave up a grand slam) for sixty pitches in the first game of the Tigers’ recent series against the Red Sox, and had him unavailable for the next two days. Of course, it ended up affecting them in BOTH of those games. That is an idiotic thing to do.

            • kosmo

              I happen to agree with you but all´s well that ends well.

              • UncleArgyle

                lol the respond key is blacked out, guess were (I’m) causing trouble. @bexarama I mentioned Leyland simple because he’s more old school and tends to let pitches go beyond elementary 100 pitch counts more frequently.
                @Tommie, Truce? Im happy to agree to disagree. I see your point, and disagree with some of it, but not all of it. I’m cool with moving along. Sorry for calling you a dueche, even if I think you were being a little douchey, I was being a pretty big Asshole myself. We cool Homes?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Sure, works for me.

                  Like I said, I didn’t specifically have you in mind with my vitriol. You and I quibble about some things, sure, but you’re not a habitual line-stepper like others are.

                  • UncleArgyle

                    Cheers. I admit I can get a little defensive at times. We got free Ice Cream at work today…it must be all that Sugar.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  Haha it’s just because the conversation went on so long that the Reply button got blacked out. ;) Gotcha.

        • Kiko Jones

          Seems to me the complaining going on here is people crying in their milk because someone is audacious enough to disagree with them.

          Indeed. God forbid someone have a different opinion than certain all-knowing baseball gods and gurus on here. Lighten up, jeez…

  • Murakami

    I liked the move. D-Rob is a pretty cool customer. I prefer that to those “energy” relievers who rely too much on “emotion.” It was a good high leverage situation for D-Rob to have to cope with, and whatta beautiful curve he dropped in there to save the day.

  • Mike HC

    haha, loved the last line. I always hated getting screwed with the pitching matchups when I have tickets in advance.

  • Jorge

    I didn’t watch the end of the game (“Jersey Shore” does take preference, especially since I am in the video footage as a gelato store customer) but, seriously folks, you do what you have to do to win the game. I can’t blame Girardi in the slightest for pulling CC at that moment. Have him gut that last batter out when it’s the playoffs.

  • Jerome S

    …is it that big of a freakin’ deal? I was a bit dissappointed that he didn’t get the CG, but to be honest, I could care less! I just want to see them win…

  • hogsmog

    Regardless of what happened last night, does anyone ever worry about cc running out of gas? The guy pitches a LOT of innings… he’s second in the AL in IP with a much higher WHIP and BB than anyone else in the top 5, meaning I wouldn’t be surprised if he was first or close to it in pitches thrown. The guy’s an ox, and the high inning count hasn’t hurt him over the past few years (and he’s proved he still has enough for the playoffs, too), but if the year ever comes where our ace is worn out in October, that would really hurt.