Sep
19

Football Open Thread

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We’ll have the regular Game Thread along for the Yankees shortly, but use this one to talk about all of today’s football action. The New York sports gods have smiled down upon us today; the Yanks play at 1:35pm ET, the Jets at 4:15pm, the Giants at 8:20pm. Awesome.

Categories : Asides, Not Baseball
  • Reggie C.

    I need some last second advice: Who do i start as WR 2? Pierre Garcon or Malcom Floyd?

    I also have Steve Smith and the Wallace kid from Pittsburgh, but these guys take a back seat to Garcon and Floyd.

    • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

      Tough choice, but I’d go Garcon.

      • Reggie C.

        That’s who i have starting. But i’m sure to be kicking myself if Peyton opts to throw to Austin Collie 10 times again. I figure if Collie and Wayne once again have the big games, i’ll bench Garcon going forward. Its only week 2 after all.

        • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

          Garcon >>>>>>>>> Collie.

          That game was an outlier.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Agreed. Garcon will probably finish the year with twice the receptions/yards of Collie.

  • iYankee(next generation from Apple)

    Can’t wait to see Brady tear Revis apart. Loved the Jets until they hired Jabba the Rex

  • Michael Saints

    hey there- don’t leave out the other NY sports team- the Buffalo Bills. 1:00pm baby!

  • Bob Stone

    Love that timing. My TV is going to be humming all day. Shame it’s so nice outside.

  • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

    I may win this fantasy week just because of Miami’s defense alone. Thanks, Favre!

  • icebird753

    J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!! moss is gunna get shut down, but i know welkers gonna tear em up

  • Thomas

    Pitt got real lucky there. There was definitely pass interference in the end zone against Washington at the end of the game (20 seconds left). The corner back clearly hit Washington early and never turned around to see the pass.

  • http://twitter.com/Brad_Toughy Brad Toughy

    So much for sitting Jahvid Best.

    • Pat D

      Did you?

      • http://twitter.com/Brad_Toughy Brad Toughy

        Yep. I have him, Steven Jackson and Arian Foster and was planning on sitting Best anyways, but then I asked around and everyone else said sit him too. We were all wrong. Best more than doubled Jackson and Foster combined today.

  • Hughesus Christo

    That Yankees game was upsetting, but watching the Jets implode will cheer me up. Earliest must win game evah!

  • V

    Jets = overrated defense.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      FWIW, we’re missing 3 of our projected starters up front (Jenkins, Pitoitua, Pace) and two of our starters in the secondary (Pool, Revis) aren’t 100%.

      • V

        And the rest of the players in the secondary commit too many stupid penalties.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Well, the rest of the players in the secondary are the guys who we intended to be covering the 3rd and 4th and 5th best opposing offensive players.

          It’s like bullpen chaining. If Revis and Pool were at full strength, Jim Leonhard and Kyle Wilson would never get burned by the other team’s #1 WR or #1 TE, because they wouldn’t be covering them in the first place.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Braylon Edwards doin’ work.

  • Reggie C.

    Tony Romo isn’t establishing Miles Austin early enough. Austin is doing all his damage in the 4th quarter. The running lanes aren’t good either. Dallas has got work to do.

    Big ups to the MIA D. They got me 21 pts today!

  • Hughesus Christo

    The Jets’ defensive scheme is SUPER reliant on Revis being Revis. The muscle pull was predictable for a DB missing so much training time, but the real question is why they didn’t just pay him from the start. Especially since they were throwing money like Pacman Jones all offseason.

  • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

    If Revis is out because of this hamstring thing the Jets may as well just look forward to next year.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      He’s not going to be out for the year, though. Maybe miss a game or two.

      • Hughesus Christo

        I’m getting Aaron Ross flashbacks.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Meh, not all hamstring injuries are identical.

          • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

            Even so, they could be looking at an 0-2 start (both home games) and staring Miami in the face. That’s hard to recover from.

          • Hughesus Christo

            I just think it’s next to impossible for a DB to nurse a muscle pull. Too many quick reactions.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Agreed, which is why we’d probably just sit him for a few games and let him return after the bye week, when Pace returns as well.

  • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

    Just thought of the perfect seventh wonder of the world to complete my list: Mount Rushmore. Doesn’t excite me as much, but only because I’m American probably because it’s pretty kick-ass. Largest statue in the world.

    Thus, the complete list is (in my personal order of most to least awesome):

    1. The Great Pyramids of Egypt

    2. The Coliseum of Rome

    3. The Great Wall of China

    4. The Parthenon in Athens (this is only ranked below the Great Wall because the Wall is in better condition)

    5. The Taj Mahal

    6. Schloss Neuschwanstein (Some would say that for this to make the list is pushing it but it kicks ass, definitely makes it. It’s only six because the others are so awesome.)

    7. Mount Rushmore

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      Oh, and 2 honorable mentions: St. Basil’s Cathedral of Moscow and Macchu Picchu in Peru, both of which came close to bumping Mt. Rushmore off the list.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        It’s not completed yet, but if they even finish it, the Crazy Horse Memorial will make Mt. Rushmore look like a little playdoh figurine.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Horse_Memorial

        • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

          When it gets built it’ll probably bump Mt. Rushmore off the list.

          I’m still slightly disappointed that I couldn’t include St. Basil’s or Macchu Picchu, because I personally would like to see them more than Mt. Rushmore, but sevn is the way it goes.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Seven, man, that’s the number. Seven little chipmunks, twirlin’ on a branch, eatin’ lots of sunflowers on my uncle’s ranch.

            You know that old children’s tale from the sea…

            • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

              If this is a quote I should recognize, I don’t.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                There’s Something About Mary.

                Harland Williams the crazy hitchhiker.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9mioHO4hoM

                • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

                  Muchas Gracias.

    • Thomas

      I’d suggest Hagia Sophia over Mount Rushmore as well as a ton of other things (Vatican, Notre Dame, Angor Wat, both honorable mentions, and many modern buildings like the Gugenheim).
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia (safe)

      • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

        I thought of Hagia Sophia, but it looks kind of similar to the Taj Mahal.

      • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

        Ankgor Wat is also a semi-similar design to the Taj (similar enough that you can think of a resemblance), and Notre Dame…is damn cool, but I’ve already got 3 European wonders, plus I think St. Basil’s is cooler, so if another European wonder were to make the list, it would be that one.

        The modern buildings, like the Guggenheim and Sydney Opera House (which I considered) don’t make thelit because it was much easier to build them than the other stuff.

        I was searching for an American Wonder, and for me it was in between Mt. Rushmore, Macchu Picchu, and the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio. Mt. Rushmore was chosen for sheer size and difficulty of construction.

        • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

          Actually, I was wrong about Angkor Wat. It’s damn cool. But I still want an American wonder, and anyway as was said I like St. Basil’s a lot too so I’m still not sure it would win out.

        • Thomas

          As an engineer, I will tell the new building may be easier to build, because of modern technologies. However, many are a hell of lot hard to design than stuff like the pyramids. For example, the Disney theater in LA, the entire facade is curved walls, which is incredibly complex anywhere, let alone a high earthquake zone like LA.

          • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

            True, but I’m choosing buildings that are absolutely outstanding in ANY era and were STILL built w/o modern technology.

            • Thomas

              Ok.

              Just to throw out my top 7 off the top of my head.

              1. LHC
              2. Hagia Sophia
              3. Taj Mahal
              4. Sphinx
              5. Castle Schloss Neuschwanstein
              6. Taipei 101
              7. Saint Peters, Vatican

              Honorable Mention: Arjona and Montieth

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Wow. Drew Coleman doin’ work.

    I’m as surprised as you are.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    ALCROTRAZ!!!1

    We have more than one island, baby.

  • Reggie C.

    Jets really needed that. Brady has looked sharp except for that throw.

  • Reggie C.

    C’mon Sanchez. You gotta engineer a good drive here.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      You’re welcome.

  • Reggie C.

    And I thought McNabb was finished in DC. Damn. Big, big game.

  • Ben

    I think a case could be made that Cromartie’s INT was actually a safety. Spotting the ball at the three would imply that Moss made contact with Cromartie at the three, forcing him into the end zone (so forward progress would put the ball at three). Watching the replay, he definitely didn’t make contact at the three, and probably didn’t until Cromartie possessed the ball in the end zone. If Cromartie went into the end zone on his own, it should have been a safety.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      It wouldn’t have been a safety, it would have been (and should have been) a touchback with the ball spotted on the 20. If your momentum carries you into the end zone on an INT, the proper call is a touchback.

      It’s only a safety if you catch it in (or moving into) the endzone, move the ball out of the endzone, and then retreat back into the endzone and are tackled.

      • Ben

        I thought about that, but I thought the ball has to be caught closer to the goal line in order for the momentum rule to apply.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          True, which is why you can spot it at the 3, the point of forward progress.

          But it’s still not a safety unless he leaves the end zone and then retreats back into the end zone. That part is clear. The touchback v. 3 yard line is more of a murky judgment call.

          • Ben

            You can’t award forward progress if the defending player (Moss, in this case), didn’t force the offensive player (Cromartie) backwards. Moss didn’t make contact with Cromartie at the three, and probably didn’t until he crossed the goal line. That would eliminate the possibility of forward progress, so it would either be a touchback or safety.

            Now, when determining whether or not a safety should be called, the NFL rules state that it is entirely dependent on impetus. It’s very murky, and I wouldn’t have had an issue with a touchback call, but I think Cromartie might have been able to avoid going into the end zone. If that was indeed the case, the impetus would be on the offensive player, and it would be a safety.

            Regardless, we can both agree that the officials got the call wrong.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              No, we can’t agree on that. I think Jets ball on the 3 or Jets ball on the 20 are both acceptable. You think it has to be Jets ball on the 20 or a safety. You’re not correct, the safety is 100% the wrong call in that situation.

              • Ben

                It can’t be at the three yard line. Moss would have needed to make contact with Cromartie at the three yard line for that to be a possibility, and he didn’t.

                So you don’t think Cromartie could have avoided going into the end zone?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  I don’t think he could have, but it doesn’t matter. If he can’t, it’s not a safety. It’s a touchback.

                  • Ben

                    It does matter. If he could have avoided it (and it wasn’t his momentum that took him into the end zone), it would be a safety.

                    • Ben

                      Although I was wrong about one thing. It can’t be a touchback. The rules clearly state that if the ball is intercepted in the field of play, and momentum carries the player into the end zone, the ball is placed at the spot of the interception.

                      So it can either be one of two things:

                      1. Ball at the three yard line.
                      2. A safety.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/safety2

                      Emphasis mine.

                      Safety

                      1. The important factor in a safety is impetus. Two points are scored for the opposing team when the ball is dead on or behind a team’s own goal line if the impetus came from a player on that team.

                      Examples of Safety:

                      a) Blocked punt goes out of kicking team’s end zone. Impetus was provided by punting team. The block only changes direction of ball, not impetus.

                      b) Ball carrier retreats from field of play into his own end zone and is downed. Ball carrier provides impetus.

                      c) Offensive team commits a foul and spot of enforcement is behind its own goal line.

                      d) Player on receiving team muffs punt and, trying to get ball, forces or illegally kicks (creating new impetus) it into end zone where it goes out of the end zone or is recovered by a member of the receiving team in the end zone.

                      Examples of Non-Safety:

                      a) Player intercepts a pass with both feet inbounds in the field of play and his momentum carries him into his own end zone. Ball is put in play at spot of interception.

                      b) Player intercepts a pass in his own end zone and is downed in the end zone, even after recovering in the end zone. Impetus came from passing team, not from defense. (Touchback)

                      c) Player passes from behind his own goal line. Opponent bats down ball in end zone. (Incomplete pass)

                      After reviewing the letter of the law, the umps were right.

                      Cromartie intercepted it in the field of play and his momentum carried him into the end zone, and it’s spotted at the point he intercepted it.

                    • Ben

                      Unless one believes Cromartie could have avoided going into the end zone, in which case he would have provided the impetus, and example ‘b’ would apply. I think it’s debatable. I have no issue with the officials’ call. My initial point was only that a case could be made that it was a safety.

                      But there’s probably no point in continuing this discussion, because we differ on one key issue. Unlike you, I believe he might have been able to avoid going into the end zone, making the call debatable.

  • Reggie C.

    Very. Nice. Throw.

    Sanchez put a pro’s touch on that TD pass.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Dear MSM:

    You all were wrong on the “Thomas Jones v. LaDanian Tomlinson” decision.

    Sincerely,
    The Jets

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Braylon Muthaf@#$in Edwards.

    • Reggie C.

      Here’s hoping he gets to smack Lebron in the face, instead of Lebron’s boy next time.

      /stillpissed…kinda…nostillpissed

  • Ben

    This feels very similar to the week 2 game from last year.

  • Dream of Electric Sheep

    Go Giants tonight !

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      How many yards do you think Bradshaw can pile up against this Colts D?

      200? 250?

      • Dream of Electric Sheep

        conservatively , mmm… 150 at the minimum.

        • Pat D

          That’d be nice.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    I hope our shiny new 1.6B stadium has a full hospital in it, because we’re becoming the freaking walking wounded.

    Jenkins
    Pitoitua
    Revis
    Pool
    Mangold
    Taylor

    • Dream of Electric Sheep

      I haven’t kept us with the Jets at all last couple years. But it’s my understanding that Revis is instrumental to the Jet’s man coverage scheme. It’s a big blow to lose him and the fact he is prolly best the cover man in NFL.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        While that is true, we still shut down the Pats passing offense for the entire second half without Revis.

        We need him, but we’re still damn good without him. Just like Jenkins, Pace, and Pitoitua.

  • Ben

    LT looks very explosive.

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      Too easy, man. Just too easy.

  • Reggie C.

    Can Shonn Greene take over?

  • Dream of Electric Sheep

    Sanchez is having an impressive game.

  • Reggie C.

    The Jets just put this game to bed. Big time win. Sanchez looked good today. He’s only going to get better when Mr. Holmes joins the party.

    • Dream of Electric Sheep

      meh, You can’t count out Moss and Brady even with 2 TDS.

      • Reggie C.

        How about now?

  • Aaron – Long Island

    Is this on the Pats secondary or on Sanchez? Or both?

    I’m super excited about what I’m seeing.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Way to be, Jets.

    /hates the Pats

  • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

    VOTE, seventh wonder of the world. Your choices, in no particular order:

    1. Angkor Wat in Angkor, Cambodia

    2. St. Basil’s Cathedral in Moscow, Russia

    3. Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France

    4. Macchu Picchu in Peru

    5. Christ the Redeemer Statue in Rio de Janeiro, Brasil

    6. Mt. Rushmore in Keystone, South Dakota

  • Hughesus Christo

    I have to say, even if it is the Jets, I’m happy with the new stadium so far. It seems like we finally have a real home field advantage. This place seems to hold sound. Now let’s hope the wind issue has been addressed…

    The Meadowlands was a shithole for so many reasons.

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      Yes, but it was OUR shithole.

      (Just kidding. The new stadium is much better.)

    • Thomas

      But Jimmy Hoffa was buried there.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Giving McNabb the ball in OT? Idiots.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Horrible decision by Kubiak.

      • UWS

        Saved. For now.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I thought they changed that rule to say that if the kick gets off, it’s counted?

          • UWS

            Guess not?

          • Pat D

            Guess not.

  • UWS

    Houston wins! Suck it, Shanahan.

    • icebird753

      suck what?