Sep
16

Open Thread: Thankfully, a day off

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Hello, Baltimore. The Yanks are 4-2 at Camden Yards this year. (AP Photo/Files)

For our peace of mind, the Yankees are resting today. There will be no late-inning disappointments, no walk-offs, no heartbreaks. The team enjoyed the day in Baltimore and will look to put their woes behind them tomorrow night.

The upcoming series against the Orioles should be a good one for the Bombers. They aren’t playing against potential October opponents and have recently seen the Buck-led Baltimoreans at the Stadium. The pitching match-ups are lined up to favor the Yanks as well. A.J. Burnett will face Kevin Millwood on Friday; CC Sabathia and Jeremy Guthrie will square off for the third time this year on Saturday; and Andy Pettitte will make his triumphant return against Chris Tillman on Sunday. Anything less than two out of three would be yet another September disappointment.

As part of tonight’s open thread, we’ve got a unique ticket offer that we wanted to throw out a few days early. One Yankee fan has two seats — not just club passes — to the Audi Club for Tuesday’s game against the Tampa Bay Rays. He unfortunately just found out that he has to travel for work from Tuesday through Thursday and is looking to trade his two tickets for another pair of similar value (preferably in the Audi Club) for any other game next week. Hit us via the contact box if you can make the trade.

And that’s that. Do your thing. The White Sox and Twins will be on the MLB Network tonight (although some of you may get the Cardinals/Padres game). Other than that, it’s a quiet night around baseball.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Jesus & Maquinito FTW

    So, um, nice weather, huh?

    • larryf

      In a word…

      yes

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      Heh. When I left the gym, it was barely drizzling. Three blocks later, I’m being pelted with penny sized hailstones.

    • VO

      I was lucky enough to be walking home from baseball practice. I almost flew away.

    • http://twitter.com/firstheart42 seimiya

      It’s beautiful here in the Bay Area, CA.

  • Carlosologist

    Tomorrow is the first Friday (last week we were off) of my high school days. I honestly hope there isn’t a type of Freshman Friday.

    • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

      Hah. I remember my freshman year. So many happy years have passed since then…

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Jesus & Maquinito FTW

      will you stop making me feel so old? When you graduate college I’ll be 32!!!

      • Carlosologist

        When you’re 32, I’ll (hopefully) be playing CF for the New York Yankees/San Francisco Giants.

        • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Jesus & Maquinito FTW

          I’ll still be unemployed.

        • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          At. The same. Time.

          Legendary.

          • Carlosologist

            It’ll be 2018, it could be done.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            /LeBronJames’d

      • vin

        Bah, that’s nothing.

        Today’s my birthday.

        I’m 30.

        Gross.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Happy birthday, at least. :)

          • Pat D

            My 30th is in February.

            Not really looking forward to it.

    • VO

      In my school on Freshman Fiday kids were on a list, and they knew the beforehand.

  • xnyles

    Any body read the article on si written by Joe Polanski about Jeter “cheat” play ? Let me summarize it- Jeter did that cause hes old and hitting .260. Unbelievable

    • Sam P.

      I did read that. And now I’m ashamed for having read it. I can also summarize my feelings about him on most things progressive in baseball (such as replay and advanced stats):

      Crotchety Old Man

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I really like Joe Posanski’s writing but I’ve learned not to read his stuff when it comes to Yankee-specific articles.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        I really like Joe Posanski’s writing many writers but I’ve learned not to read his any of their stuff when it comes to Yankee-specific articles.

        FTFY

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Well not exactly, a lot of sports writers I just won’t read period, unless I’m looking for something to laugh at. Posnanski is definitely worth reading, just I’ve learned to avoid his Yankee-specific articles.

          • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

            Yep. I’m saying there’s a bunch of writers who are plenty good, but can’t help themselves when it comes to the Yankees. (cough)Rob Neyer(cough)

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              Gotcha. And yeah, I can’t think of too many other writers who are generally good but cannot stand the Yankees outside of Pos and Neyer. I mean, a lot of writers are just bad so I don’t read them to begin with.

      • whozat

        Really? I find him to be pretty even-handed. I didn’t think the article was out of line at all. He didn’t moralize at all, he admits (like few sportswriters do) that the game has never been the bastion of purity that many seem to feel it was in the halcyon days of their youths. It was just like…yeah, players do stuff like this and always have. And it’s a little saddening to see Derek Jeter get old, like it was with every great player before him and will be for every great player after him.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          No moralizing? He said something like that he’d be outraged if his daughters did something like that, IIRC. It wasn’t outrageous, it was just… meh.

          Don’t get me wrong, I like Pos. He is a VERY good writer. I just think sometimes his specifically Yankee coverage isn’t the best. It’d be like asking me to write articles about the Red Sox.

          • whozat

            Well, what parent would tell their kids “you see, girls? It’s cool to cheat if you get away with it!”

            They’re kids, you can’t be saying that. But, in context, it doesn’t bug him. Makes sense to me. Stuff like that is part of baseball, and that’s fine.

    • steve (different one)

      I didn’t read the article, but why is it dismissed out of hand? I mean, no one else was thinking it wasn’t at least part of the story?

      Maybe I’m way off, but it’s not crazy for me to think of players who are getting older and losing some of their skills might try a “veteran” trick or 2. It’s like the guy in Major League with the snotball…

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Because anyone would do it. In the 1996 ALCS, did Jeter say “oh that wasn’t a HR”? Did anyone expect him to?

        • steve (different one)

          I didn’t read the article, and I don’t disagree that many players wouldn’t do the same. I have zero moral qualms with what he did, but the comparison is not to other players, it’s to the younger Jeter. Have you ever seen jeter do something so blatant like that? Maybe. I don’t remember every game, but I don’t think the meier hour is a good analogy. He really had zero control over the controversial part of that play. He was a willing actor in this one.

          I don’t have a strong conviction on this since none of us can read jeter’s mind, just saying there may be a kernal of truth in poz’s premise

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Have you ever seen jeter do something so blatant like that?

            I haven’t really seen him given the opportunity to do anything like that. If something like that happened in like 1999 or 2006 and he was like “no no no, it wasn’t a HBP, it hit my bat” then Pos might have a point but I think his premise was flawed.

            I mean, honestly, the ball hit Jeter’s bat and came pretty close to hitting him, and he flinched. The ump gave him 1B right then, not out of sympathy on the whole shebang. The rest of it was acting, but that flinch was likely genuine. I mean, I flinched in my living room.

            Show me a player that wouldn’t take the base in that situation. Heck, it happened to Jermaine Dye in the 2005 WS.

            • steve (different one)

              Yeah, I’m not really saying this well. I certainly don’t mean that he shouldn’t have taken the base or that he did anything “wrong”. All I meant was that he oversold it, and the acting after the initial reaction was a bit out of character.

              But of course I think it is silly for anyone to ascribe motives, I guess I just wasn’t ready to completely dismiss the basic idea.

              Whatever, I admit I am just talking out of my ass b/c there is no baseball today.

          • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

            “Have you ever seen jeter do something so blatant like that?”

            Um….every stolen base he swipes the glove and holds it up to try to convince the umpre.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

    Everyone should submit their suggestions on wacky stuff that happened this year for the First Annual YCPB awards.

    Suggestions will be expressed in poll form come next week or so and after the season, the winners get to have paeans written to their wackiness, so come nominate!

    http://youcantpredictbaseball......pb-awards/

    • Jose the Satirist

      Great concept. You’re doing a great job guys.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Jesus & Maquinito FTW

        Muchas gracias

  • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    This might be the ultimate indignity for Mets fans. It’s almost not funny how much shit they have to deal with. (Almost.)

    http://deadspin.com/5640173/je.....se-why-not

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I wonder if it’s too late to revisit the contraction idea. Instead of killing the Marlins and Twins, we can euthanize the Mets and… oh, I dunno, maybe the Diamondbacks. Do we really need them either?

      Do they even deserve to live with those uniforms anyway?

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

        I don’t think anyone would miss the Astros either

      • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I don’t root for or particularly care about the Mets in any way, positive or negative, but it’s really a shame that a franchise in the biggest market in the country is handled so incompetently. That franchise represents such a gigantic wasted opportunity. (Ditto, of course, the Knicks, etc.) And it’s not just the player personnel decisions, it’s everything… Everything is done with such a lack of style, it’s really kind of amazing. Kinda cool and unique uniforms? Let’s toss some black highlights in there to make ‘em look like everyone else’s. New stadium? Let’s make it a retro stadium so it’s completely out of context in its location and overshadowed by every other stadium with the same look.

        Whatever, I just think it’s a shame.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          My rebuttal: There’s two teams in the biggest media market in the country. Only one of them is a traveshamockery. The Yankees, meanwhile, are doing just fine. If both New York teams couldn’t field a competent team, maybe I’d be more concerned.

          It’s like LA with the Lakers and the Clippers. Yes, it should in the abstract be easy for a big market to create a winning team, but that abstract concept presupposes that that big market and that team exist in a vacuum and ALL of LA would support the Clippers. All of LA wouldn’t, though. All of LA doesn’t give a shit about the Clippers.

          Perhaps they should move. Perhaps the Giants and Dodgers read the writing on the wall and got out while the getting was good.

        • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

          It’s the blue and orange. Just an awful, awful color combination.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            THAT’S RACIST!!!!

            Sincerely,
            The Dutch

          • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

            Not if you do it right.

            • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

              Who does it right? And you’d better not say the Gators or I’ll stab you with a fork.

      • vin

        My personal rule of thumb is if the franchise has won a WS (in it’s current location), they are immune from contraction. Twins, DBacks, Marlins are all safe.

        The Rays, Mariners, Rangers, Natinals, Astros, Rockies and Padres are on the block.

        • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

          And the Brewers. Also, none of those teams existed since the last time the Cubs, Indians, or Giants won.

          • vin

            That’s right. Knew I was forgetting a team.

            Also, the Giants WS drought doesn’t get mentioned enough. That’s a highly-respected franchise that hasn’t done jack since they moved west. Despite having two of the game’s all-time greats.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Will Clark and Atlee Hammaker?

              • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                Don’t knock Will Clark.

                Will Clark>>>>>Don Mattingly

                :ducks:

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Agreed.

              • vin

                No, Aubrey Huff and Aaron Rowand.

  • Mariano’s Pimp Hand

    I just can’t look at Baltimore anymore without thinking of “The Wire”. Somewhere out there Marlo and Omar are going at it.

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      The Wire…

      Great show or greatest show?

      Series finale was weak but oh well.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    The team enjoyed the day in Baltimore (hookers) and will look to put their woes behind them tomorrow night.

    • Carlosologist

      /River Ave Hookers’d
      //slumpbuster’d (eww)

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      Why wouldn’t they just spend the night in NYC and drive/take the train down to Baltimore in the morning? Baltimore blows.

      • vin

        “Baltimore blows.”

        Exactly. I think you missed his point.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        It’s a recession, son. NYC whores are expensive, but the market’s collapsed in Maryland, that shit’s dirt cheap.

        I got kicked out of a strip club for smoking. It was the dirtiest place I ever got thrown out of.

        And just to give you an idea of what I mean by dirty… lap dances at this place? Three dollars. It was f#$%ing disgusting.

        … but at the same time, WHO COULD PASS UP A SALE, SON, IT WAS THREE DOLLARS! Of course I did it! That’s only 12 quarters. Shit, I’ll break a five for that!

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Guys, don’t worry about Tampa Bay. Surely the baseball gods will not allow a team who has done this to win the WS.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=12092851
    (SFW, but um. Disturbing.)

    • vin

      Why wouldn’t they have a DJ Kitty? It’s a desparate, low-rent move because they’re catering to an indifferent fan base.

      If they’re not careful I may start hating them as much as I do the Angels.

      The primary difference between them and the Angels is the Angels actually have people show up to their games. They’re completely insufferable, but at least they show up and pretend like they’ve been a fan through all the bad years.

      • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

        Angels do thunderstix.

        Rays do cowbells.

        F them both.

    • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      Oh dear.

    • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

      The Trop is a really freaky place to watch baseball games.

      Who doesn’t love paying 20 dollars to end up sitting in GREAT seats in the lower bowl down the left field side? I didn’t have the greatest time watching games there this year as far as the on-the-field result goes (4-5, though I hope for a few more games between these two in October), but the ticket value I got for eight of those games was outstanding.

      Oh, and I got a 2009 ring last night as well. Cool little side story.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    So, Reggie Bush voluntarily forfeited and gave back his Heisman Trophy… but it’s not an admission of guilt. He still claims he’s innocent and didn’t do anything wrong.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/los-.....id=5581066

    You gotta be shitting me.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      In his statement he says he made “mistakes”, but then says he didn’t do anything wrong? Or was he mis-quoted in his own statement?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Maybe he took himself out of context.

    • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

      If you alreasdy chimed in on this I didn’t see it, what did you think about the whole thing?

      I figured, whether he was ineligible or not he was still the human being that did the things that earned him the Heisman.

      I guess it doesn’t matter in the big scheme of things, but wondered what others thought.

      An aside, Did you know that Tommie Smith is in the Bay Area HOF but not John Carlos. I was checking out the plaque of Smith where the Sharks (that’s hockey) play.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Well, Tommie won the gold.

      • Dr Van Nostrand

        I agree with this.

        He was the human being who did all these things. It’s not a question of steroids or anything like that.

        If the NCAA dug a little deeper into any school they would find all these kids are accepting money and cutting corners in some way.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Yeah, in the matters of the athletes v. the NCAA, I always side with the athletes, because the NCAA is horrendously stupid.

          Bush should keep his Heisman. If USC had never funneled him cash and he would have gone elsewhere, he would have been the best player in college football for that other random school he would have played for.

    • Mickey Scheister formerly Badabling

      I think he called up his buddy OJ and they discussed ways to admit guilt without actually admitting anything.

      Deny and make counter accusations!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    There’s about 1,000 people at CitiField tonight.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      And half of them are only there fulfilling their court-mandated community service.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      I wouldn’t pay to watch that minor league team either.

    • steve (different one)

      Angel Pagan just made one of the most rediculous catches I’ve ever seen. The catch itself was nothing that amazing, but the amount of ground he covered was staggering. Off the bat, I never thought the ball would be caught. Impressive.

  • Mickey Scheister formerly Badabling

    I love how ESPN gave Jeter such a rave review for his acting job last night. Forget actual baseball, and they played some amazing games over the past three nights, you still saw that Jeter at bat talked about more than the actual games that took place. I love Jeter but if that was A-Rod it woulda hit the fan. Every single show on ESPN and even the NFL analyst commented on it, almost all positive. They did however say it was the best acting of his career, so they did get some jabs in as well.

    • Jose the Satirist

      Really? I was watching PTI and they had the title for a segment as “Derek Cheater?”. Was ESPN really mostly positive about the whole deal?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Really? I keep seeing so many people freaking out about it.

      • Mickey Scheister formerly Badabling

        The late Sportscenter, early (10am) SportsCenter, 1st and 10 and ESPNEWS early this morning and late last night all loved it. Even Mark Schlereth said how much he loved it. I guess once the head honcho’s at Bristol saw he was getting good press late night and early morning they changed their stance.

  • Abbot’s Arm

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=12084373

    Is it just me or does Vernon Wells goes WAY WAY overboard?

  • Big Daddy

    Ways to improve the yankees:

    1. Fire Dave Island. He is obviously not doing his job if phil hughes is giving up 4 runs.

    2. Cut Granderson. Hitting .247 with 50 rbi’s isnt cutting it.

    3. Fire kevin long. He isnt doing a good job b/e he gives granderson a new swing every freaking month and he still sucks. Goodbye!

    4. Release Burnett. stats are self-explanatory

    5. Dismiss Vazquez. Same reasons as burnett.

    Fire Dave Island. This cannot be stressed enough.

    • Jose the Satirist

      6/10 for trolling.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Jesus & Maquinito FTW

      Next time, try not to make it so obvious.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      You left out Austin Kearns and Lance Berkman. And Brian Cashman, and Joe Girardi. And Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui and Jerry Hairston Jr.

      And Joba Chamberlain.

      And Joe Torre, and Don Mattingly, and Larry Bowa, and bunting, and sac flies, and hustle, and the Red Sox, and 2004, and Cliff Lee, and Johan Santana, and Thurman Munson, and Stick Michael, and bulls in a china shop, and Obamacare.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        2004

        NOOOO!!!! YOU SAID 2004!!!!!! /melts

        (you forgot Phil Coke.)

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          AH, DAMN, I CAN’T BELIEVE I FORGOT PHIL COKE AND AUSTIN JACKSON AND MELKY CABRERA AND THE WALKOFFS!!!!!

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        death panels too

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Islands in the stream, that is what we are.

    • Carlosologist

      E-I-L-A-N-D

      /McCarver’d

    • Dr Van Nostrand

      Repeating “Dave Island” has to get him some trolling points

      • vin

        I enjoyed it.

      • MikeD

        “Dave Island” totally made it worth a post.

    • Mickey Scheister formerly Badabling

      Ways to improve the Yankees.

      1.) Play the A lineup, when possible.

      2.) Pinch hit for the 8-9 hitter late in games with RISP.

      3.) Continue to play Granderson everyday, he’s an everyday player and should be given the opportunity to play.

      4.) Don’t have Thames pinch hit for Berkman and vice-versa when not playing the A line-up.

      5.) Don’t allow Mitre or Gaudin pitch in high leverage situations.

      6.) Hire the Faux Madden and throw things at him to make us all feel better, the thought makes me smile.

      /fixed

    • http://twitter.com/firstheart42 seimiya

      Bad troll attempt is absolutely atrocious.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Jesus & Maquinito FTW

    So when do we find out who’s going to instructs? Is there somewhere I can find this online?

  • ZZ

    The only thing dumber than the amount of attention this Jeter hit by pitch has garnered is the argument that he did it because he is having a bad season or it is sad he had to resort to that or whatever.

    It was an instinct play. Jeter doesn’t walk up to the plate this season and say, hey I am having a bad year. If by some chance the ball comes close to hitting me I am going to pretend that it did so I can get on base. It was a half second reaction by someone who is extremely competitive. Maybe if half these idiots writing about sports for a living had actually made it past t-ball they would understand what it is like to have that kind of competitive drive and instinct.

    Jeter by the way has a .342 OBP after the count goes to 0-1 in his career. Even in probably the best year of his career in 1999 he had a .417 OBP after the count goes to 0-1. So yeah take the guaranteed base if the acting like it hit him works out or risk failing 60-65% of the time. Tough choice for someone focused on winning a baseball game.

    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “The only thing dumber than the amount of attention this Jeter hit by pitch has garnered is the argument that he did it because he is having a bad season or it is sad he had to resort to that or whatever. “

      On the contrary, this was also dumber:

      http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1126665

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        That wasn’t serious, though. It was satirical.

        • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Ah. I’m getting soft in my RAB absence.

          (Yes, soft around the middle, tommie.)

          (Eats tray of lasagna.)

          • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

            GAAARFFFFIIIIEEEELLLLD!

            (I love that comic)

            • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              I can’t quite put my finger on the reason why, but this is one of my favorite RAB comments, ever.

              • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

                Related: I was fucking pissed when Jon started dating Liz. Jon’s whole character was based around him being a loser, why fuck that shit up by giving him a girlfriend?

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      As somebody who has not made it past t-ball, I am highly offended. Highly!

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Like I said above, the rest of it was acting, but I think that initial flinch was definitely genuine, and that’s what made the ump give him 1B. I flinched just watching the game.

      (and well-played, Mondesi)

  • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

    Fantasy football, 2 lineup questions: ONE of Breaston (@ Atl), Tampa’s Mike Williams (@ Car) or Nate Washington (vs. Pit). Start which one?

    Also, TWO of Bush, Felix Jones, Harvin. Which two?

    PPR leagues.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      Bush is @ SF, Jones is vs. Chi, and Harvin is vs. Mia.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I busted on my Felix Jones start recommendation last week, but I’d pick him first of those three. I’ll take Harvin against a shaky Dolphins pass defense over Bush against a good Niners defense, but that depends on Harvin’s health (and Favre’s shittiness), so that’s more of a tossup.

        I’ll take Breaston of the wideouts. Williams is a decent play as well, but I like Carolina’s defense (and dislike Tampa’s passing attack) a bit more. Washington is the definite non-start, that Steelers matchup looks bad for the Titans passing game.

        • http://twitter.com/Brad_Toughy Brad Toughy

          Mostly agree – I was torn between Breaston and Williams. When it came down to it, I like Breaston to get more yards, but Williams as a better threat to score.

    • http://twitter.com/Brad_Toughy Brad Toughy

      I take Williams out of the wideouts, and Jones and Bush for the backs. Harvin is the high-risk, high-reward start, but Favre looked bad last week and Harvin was limited.

  • Cecala

    So happy that CC is pitching on Sat because I shall be in Baltimore. I got the tickets back in June

    • Betty Lizard

      You are lucky, I am visualizing a big win!

  • http://riveraveblues bob

    twin just hit pauly k in the face this game is going to get ugly fast

  • vin

    In a recent fangraphs chat, I saw Dave Cameron mention that he believes the best way to limit the Yankees’ huge financial advantage over other teams is to add a 3rd New York team. He’s not a believer in salary caps or luxury taxes. I personally have never seen that idea mentioned, so it caught me off guard.

    I suppose his logic is that a 3rd team would further divide the NY fan base, funneling money away from the Yankees and towards the new club.

    I don’t really see it limiting the Yankees much. Actually, the Mets would be the biggest loser in this circumstance (as they always are). I don’t necessarily think many people are drawn to the Yanks because of their history. I seem to recall a hell of a lot of Mets fans during my 1980s childhood. Also, Yankee Stadium had perpetually low attendance during the 80s and even most of the 90s.

    There’s obviously a lot of factors that go into why fans do or don’t go to a ballgame, but the Yankee brand certainly had less appeal then than it does now. And as we all know, more appeal means more dollars. The Yankees didn’t start blowing away the payroll field until their 90s dynasty was well established (and on its way out).

    Maybe a 3rd team in NY would take some dollars away from the Yanks, but that’s only if the teams is competitive. Tampa doesn’t work as a baseball town, not because the team isn’t good (like we thought all these years), but because of other factors. It’s a football town, with an awful stadium that’s in the wrong part of the metro area, in a city with plenty of other things to do.

    NY obviously works as a baseball town, but a new team would probably be a small blip on the Yankees’ radar… until the team actually starts winning.

    Just wondering what everyone thinks about that concept, not as Yankee fans, but more as problem-solvers (assuming it actually is a problem in the first place, which is another discussion).

    (Tommie’s mention of the Laker-Clipper dynamic reminded me of this)

    • Carlosologist

      Move the Rays into New York. Boom, that just happened.

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      So he’s a believer in salary caps or luxury taxes……but he wants to artificially keep down spending for 3 (but really aiming at 1) of 30 teams based on their location. I can’t see how he can be against a cap but for a way to cap just a select amount of teams.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Sorry not a believer in salary caps

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

        Right. Now you could argue that the New York market could easily support a third team. Of course forcing a team to relocate there would be artificial, but were a team to voluntarily move to New York (and it be approved), it would be within his stated baseball business beliefs.

        All that said, I don’t think it would have as much impact as Cameron thinks it would.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Jesus & Maquinito FTW

      The area has three professional hockey teams, and the Devils struggle to draw fans despite being playoff-caliber every year since 1997 (and 1995 too), and the Islanders…well…

      So yeah. Third team doesn’t guarantee anything.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

        Not sure a sport with such low attendance is a good comp.

        • Pat D

          The Islanders should be contracted.

    • Jerome S

      Hahaha the Mets are losers.

    • MikeD

      I’ve seen this suggestion before (adding a third team) and I wouldn’t have a problem with it if they wanted to give it a try. I love baseball, so more local baseball is a good thing for me persnally, even if I was only to take in one game a year (as I do with the Mets.)

      It would seem likely, though, that they’d be looking to add another A.L. team, not an N.L. team since that would be more of a danger to the Mets, who no one really seems all that concerned about. I’m not sure how well that would work. I don’t see Yankee fans flocking away to become fans of some other A.L. team. It would take quite a bit of time to develop their own fanbase, which means they might have a lot of difficulty drawing enough fans at start, making them a weak team.

      So, sure, let’s move the Diamondbacks to the A.L., plant them in New Jersey, and let’s start taking bets on how long they last.

  • http://riveraveblues bob

    big game

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    How in the world did Pedro Guerrero get a 1st place MVP vote in 1989???

    • Pat D

      There have been stranger occurrences than that…

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

      Second in the league in RBIs? He had a fine offensive season, but was apparently a terrible first baseman.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        Look at how much better Mitchell and Clark were just offensively.

        It’s votes like this (and there are a billion) which hurt Hall of Fame voting down the road.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

          I mean, a reliever (a very good reliever, but still a reliever) won both the AL MVP and Cy Young in 1984. That’s pretty ludicrous.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

            and hell, another reliever (Quiz) came in second for Cy Young and third for MVP, garnering several first place votes for each.

            • Pat D

              Quiz was better than Guillermo that year, too.

          • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            Yeah, and then the BBWAA will use their past mistakes to justify their stupid HOF ballots today. Without even looking I’m going to bet Blyleven was better than Hernandez in 1984. I don’t know if he was “deserve the Cy” good, but I can almost guarantee he deserved it more than Hernandez.

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

              by bWAR:

              Hernandez: 4.8 (7th in the league)
              Quiz: 3.2 (41st in the league)
              Blyleven: 6.2 (2nd in the league)
              Stieb: 7.7 (1st in the league)

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

                Bah, that’s in the Majors. AL only, Hernandez moves up to 4th, Quiz to 24th. Bly and Stieb obviously stay put

              • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                Wow. The voters loved Quiz. In a 6 year span he finished top 5 in the Cy voting 5 times and top 11 voting for MVP 5 times.

                You know what he did all 5 of those years?

                Lead the league in saves.

                We can learn from this.

                • Pat D

                  He was really good, though.

                  Just declined very fast.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Jose Mesa once got a first place MVP vote. True story.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        K-Rod, 2008.

        Barf

        • Pat D

          To me, Rick Cerone getting one in 1980 is still the most random 1st place vote of all time.

          Though I’ll have to look at that closer sometime to see if there’s a more random one than that.

      • http://www.thesubwayconnection.com/ Newbie

        Didn’t Jeremy Affeldt get a 10th place vote just last year? I mean, he had a nice season, but he is a LOOGY for crying out loud.

        • steve (different one)

          All sorts of funny names will pop up at the bottom of ballots, its usually just a writer trying to recognize a nice a season from someone he is friendly with. It’s not really a big deal since it never affects the voting.

  • Pat D

    Anyone see the promo video for next week’s Office premeire? Looks like they’re doing another viral video parody with the “Nobody Can Do…” song.

    Which looks both funny/entertaining and an example of how the show is running out of ideas.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Nope, I’d be interested though. Link?

      • Pat D

        http://www.officetally.com/nepotism-promos

        And if you look down in the comments, there’s a link to what is apparently the inspiration.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Thanks!

          (I see Pam’s hair is back to frumpdom. Maybe this means the few Office boards I read will stop friggin’ going on about OMG SHE’S SUCH A BITCH!!!! now.)

          • Pat D

            We’ll see, I suppose.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

      I thought that show ran out of ideas years ago. I didn’t know people still watched.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Yeah, I still watch out of loyalty but the show has totally ran out of gas. In hindsight, it should’ve ended after season three. Season for was ok but started the downfall.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          This is pretty much how I feel about the show, definitely.

        • Pat D

          “it should’ve ended after season three.”

          It was successful. A successful show on network TV isn’t going to be ended after three seasons. There’s a better chance of Joe Girardi not getting somone on this board mad with a decision he makes tomorrow night.

          But you knew that.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            But but but the British version ended after like 12 episodes or whatever!!!! (British TV is different than American TV… obviously.)

            • Pat D

              Yea, Fawlty Towers is sometimes regarded as the best sitcom ever and there was only 12 total episodes.

              And all attempts to Americanize it failed miserably.

      • Pat D

        I do. I’ll watch till the end. It didn’t really start to show signs of running out of ideas until last season, in my opinion.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

          Meh, I tired of it after the first season. Godspeed, friend.

          • Pat D

            The first season was 6 episodes. You checked out pretty quick!

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Give him a pass; he had things to see and Michellein women to do.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    I almost liked Hawk for about a second there because he yelled “TAKE THAT, PAVANO!!!” after Konerko’s HR off Pavano. Gross.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I’m sure Pavano is really bothered by it. Not like he has the playoffs to worry about or anything.

      (sorry, I just hate Hawk)

      • Pat D

        Hawk Harrelson should die of gonorrhea and burn in hell.

        /AceVentura’d

    • Jerome S

      I’m young so I might be missing something: Why did Pavano throw garbage in NY but now he’s semi-rocking it in Minnesota? Perhaps more importantly, did anyone see that coming?

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Injuries and rust, I guess.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

        Going to tag onto Matt’s comment. I really don’t think it had as much to do with ‘mentality’ or anything as others do. I think he was complacent, often injured and that led to rust and ineffectiveness when he did throw.

      • Accent Shallow

        Because he’s a malingering sack of crap.

    • ZZ

      Pretty scary that Burnett could theoretically end up being a worse investment than Pavano.

      • bonestock94

        Is that even possible with the sheer volume AJ will have pitched over him? At least AJ pitched game 2 of the WS like a fucking champ. I literally have 0 recollection of a Pavano start in pinstripes, pretty amazing.

        • ZZ

          It is possible if AJ continues to trend the wrong way. For most of this season AJ has been a below replacement level pitcher. So, it is possible AJ could actually hurt the Yankees more over 5 years by being on the field.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            If AJ keeps pitching this badly, I imagine we’ll break policy and just dump his ass (eating salary).

            • ZZ

              Likely, but dumping his salary would factor into evaluating the investment.

              It is mostly theoretical though, because of the unique position of the Yankees and the difficulty of measuring the postseason aspect of it.

          • bonestock94

            That’s amazing, I really hope not.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Steak this late at night may have been a bad idea.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

      Poo-poo platter?

  • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

    Fantasy Football question: Which team will win?

    Team A Vs. Team B
    Phillip Rivers Vs. Drew Brees
    Matt Forte Vs. Frank Gore
    Lesean McCoy Vs. Jamaal Charles
    Ricky Williams Vs. Jahvid Best or Felix Jones
    DeSean Jackson Vs. Roddy White
    Steve Smith (CAR) Vs. Steve Smith (NYG)
    Vernon Davis Vs. Greg Olsen
    Patriots D/ST Vs. Eagles D/ST
    Feely Vs. Hartley

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK’s Mystique and Aura

      Easy chalk up to team A, IMO.

      • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

        Really? I’m team B and the team A wants to bet some money on it, but I’m unsure if that’s a smart decision.

        • Reggie C.

          Very. Nice. Team.

          Do it. I honestly can’t see how you’ll lose this week.

          • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

            Thanks, man.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Agreed. McCoy and Jackson have gigantic bust potential in that banged up Eagles offense. I don’t like Ricky or the Pats D either.

              Do it.

              • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

                Thanks a lot, TSJC. I have a reassurance problem.

              • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

                Actually, Michael Vick is starting.

    • Reggie C.

      Team B holds the advantage in QB, RB1, RB2, RB3, WR1, WR2.

      A couple observations: With Kolb down and out, i dont think Philly receivers/TE is a good bet. I’m saying this and I have Brent Celek. I’m sticking with him only b/c i think Vick might find Celek to be a safe target. Matt Moore is hurt, so can we reasonably expect Carolina Smith to put up another nice game? Gman Smith on the other hand is a great possession receiver and he should get more passes thrown his way with Boss hurt.

      • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

        Agreed on all observations. What about McCoy? Do you think he’ll break out with more touches this game?

        • Reggie C.

          I think its a given that McCoy will get more touches. He’s a more talented receiver than he is traditional runner, and so i can see him net 100 total yards against a Detroit D. McCoy is good, but Jamaal Charles can definitely net 100 rushing yards against CLE. Charles is the more talented back and IMO a better bet to make a 50 yd TD run.

          Its a borderline wash, but if I had to push I’d still wager that Charles should have a BIGGER game than McCoy.

          • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

            I see. Thanks for the insight.

            This is my first year playing FF.

        • Pat D

          LeSean McCoy was too stupid to get into Penn State, so he went to Pitt. And then he got drafted by the Eagles. So I hate him. Just wanted that out there.

          More touches? Unlikely. Andy Reid can’t stand to run the ball and with Vick playing QB, he’ll lead the team in carries this week.

          • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

            Yeah, the other team is starting Vick and Massaqoui instead of Rivers and Ricky Williams.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      You have a clear edge. I would pick up John Carlson from Seattle and start him at TE. I just don’t like or trust Olsen.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Anyone think Thome will get offered a multi-year extension with Minnesota?

    • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

      I don’t.

  • http://riveraveblues bob

    must win game 4 yankees lets go blue jays

  • JoeNY07

    Did anyone read the NY Times article “Crime Blotter Has a Regular: Yankees Caps”

    • Carlosologist

      Ben wrote a post on it earlier this afternoon.

  • Magnus Stultus

    It looks like Manny’s power has been completely sapped. All He does now is fight off plus fastballs into dinkers in RF. Too bad, I was thinking of him a possible DH option, albeit in a remote possibility.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      He did slug over .500 with the Dodgers this year, albeit in kinda limited playing time because of all the injuries. I still wouldn’t want him as a DH next year.

      • Magnus Stultus

        Just a thought, I always been a fan of him as a hitter since his Cleveland days where he and Thome had dealt the Yanks many near mortal blows in the late 90s.

  • JoeNY07
    • Magnus Stultus

      I think they had Mets underwear on ; Best be keeping that in the dark.

  • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

    Who’s watching The League tonight?

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Me. (well at least recording it)

      • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

        I have a feeling it’s either going to be really awesome or really lame.

        • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Did you watch last year?

          • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

            Nope. How was it? I was interested, but never got around to it.

            • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

              Totally juvenile humor, so I thought it was hilarious.

              • http://twitter.com/SteeeeveO Steve O.

                Awesome, my favorite kind of humor. I imagine there is a major draft on the first episode?

  • E6

    This Yankee team just looks old. At some point, age would be a factor and I’m starting to think the grind of a long season has worn on them. What made the Yankees great last year was that their older players didn’t seem to age. But save for the immortal Mariano – we’re starting to see the effects of Father Time.

    Derek Jeter’s batting in the .260’s – and under .240 since June. He’s never looked more lost at the plate and his GB/LD rates should give one caution.

    Andy Pettitte spent the bulk of the second half on the DL.

    Jorge Posada is still productive for a catcher but he’s been dinged up all season + the days of him catching 130 games/season are long over.

    Alex Rodriguez – his HR numbers are down. He’s got the whole hip issue + he spent time on the DL.

    … and yet somehow they still have the 2nd best record in baseball.

    • Pat D

      Thank you, every single young guy (and Mo) on the team!

  • JoeNY07

    This is starting to feel like 2000 …..They lost 13 of the last 15 which included a 6 and season ending 7 game losing streak……

    • Carlosologist

      Yeah that 2000 season sucked. We didn’t win the World Series or anything. People are just going to remember that seven game losing streak at the end of September.

      • Pat D

        I don’t really think Joe was saying they can’t win the Series.

        • JoeNY07

          Thanks Pat D …..

          • Carlosologist

            My bad, I misinterpreted your comment.

            • JoeNY07

              No harm no foul

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I think we’re already guaranteed to win more games than the 2000 Yankees, heh.

      • NYY-SWISH

        Snarky

  • bonestock94

    Mark Sanchez needs to ease off the Rex Ryan kool aid a bit. Nothing wrong with going 15-1? Wow…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Swaggerlicious.

      • Pat D

        Because he’s earned that…how?

      • bonestock94

        It’s nice that the Jets aren’t mired in a Mets-like doom anymore but now it’s going too far.

        • Magnus Stultus

          It’s all relative. The Mets has more relative success than the Jets of late but obviously less than Yankees. To a less degree the Giants similarly overshadows the Jets. Rex has at least offer the Jets a outspoken personality and a bit of identity.
          His optimism is at least backup by what he did last year though he narrowly made the playoff.

    • Mike HC

      The Jets talk so much that it has the same effect of not saying anything of consequence at all. Nothing you say matters and nobody takes what you say at face value.

      And in the NFL, talk is cheap. It is all about wins and losses on the field anyway so why not entertain during the week and off season with some bravado.

  • Carlosologist

    So I rediscovered this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6a-AHLRoAw

    My dad has told me stories about the 80s but damn, was the music really like this?

    • Magnus Stultus

      LOL, I heard that song when I was growing up, nice beat though.
      I would venture to say a few little Carloses were probably conceived
      under the backdrop of similar beats.

      Here is what I grew up under…
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ature=fvst

      • MikeD

        Yup, another one I somehow always seemed to turn off.

        • Magnus Stultus

          It was pretty prevalent in NY city. It’s also the fact it’s one of the greatest rap album to date. That particular track featured no less than 7 MCs , innovative piano loops , and ass kicking verses.

    • Sick Nwisher

      I know, right?
      I really love Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber and The Black Eyed Peas.
      They just continue to spit out classics.

      • Carlosologist

        I don’t like any of those artists. I know 90s music and found a bunch of old 60s and 70s stuff at my dad’s old house so yeah.

    • MikeD

      Was that really a hit in the 80s? I must have turned the radio off whenever it came on! Well, Heineken made use of it for their ad last year.

  • Magnus Stultus

    Gintober !

    • Carlosologist

      Ladies and gentlemen, your 2010 National League West champions, the San Francisco Giants.

      Has a pretty good ring to it, no?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        No.

        /Rockies fan til I die’d
        /also I just don’t like the Giants so there’d

        • billbybob

          Hell yes. I have many fine memories of getting drunk in the Rock Pile seats at Coors Field.

      • Magnus Stultus

        I think so , I am rooting for Buster and Zito in company. While I think the Phillies has the best team in the NL , I do think the Giants will give em something to think about with their pitching in the playoff.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Phillies pitching in the playoffs this year >>> Giants pitching in the playoffs this year

          • Magnus Stultus

            WE WILL SEE ABOUT THAT BEX ! GINTOBER!

        • Carlosologist

          Zito needs to pick up the slack. He’s pitched to a 5 ERA since the ASB. Of course, there’s the offense’s inconsistency, but I think he’ll do well in the playoffs.

          • Magnus Stultus

            My money is on Cain, if the Giants makes it.

            • Carlosologist

              Lincecum-Cain-Sanchez-Bumgarner is a rotation I would not like to run into in the playoffs. Halladay-Hamels-Oswalt is another beastly rotation.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                I don’t think Zito gets skipped because of his ~experience~.

      • Magnus Stultus

        I just randomly looked up Bond’s numbers at age 42 . He posted an OPS of 1.045 with 132 walks and 28 dingerz. I am pretty sure he was blackballed out of the baseball next year.

        • MikeD

          Totally.

          • Magnus Stultus

            Barry Bond’s numbers are simply absurd in his late 30s.
            I don’t care if it’s the by product of PEDs or Roids, it’s still hella impressive.

        • Guest

          I wonder how many players have ever had 1.045 OPS, wanted to play the next season, and couldn’t find a job. Bet its a short list.

          Look how many other players committed the same sin as Bonds. My favorite player has ADMITTED to doing the exact same thing. But he still gets to play and get standing O’s and 25 mil a year. I have no problem with A-Rod being able to battle back from roids taint (did I mention he was my favorite player?). Andy Pettite got the same shot at redemption. Big Papi is still smilin’ and swingin’ from his heels in Fenway. Manny has gotten to be Manny in two other huge markets. And this is not even to say anything for the hundreds (lets not kid ourselves, its in the hundreds) of other players who haven’t been caught or had any suspicion cast their way for taking PEDs.

          But yet Bonds became such a pariah that teams ignored the 1.045 OPS. I understand that he did himself no favors by being a jerk to just about everyone. But its unfair that he got run out of the game for making the same mistakes as many other players, including some of the biggest stars.

          I guess the lesson is, be nice to people on the way up because you will pass them on the way back down.

          • Magnus Stultus

            True. Always treat people the way you want to be treated.
            Cuz you never know…

          • Carlosologist

            I would have liked to see Bonds in the Bronx in 08. It would have made that season much more enjoyable.

        • Carlosologist

          Bonds had a ridiculous career line: .298/.444/.607

        • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

          Well that, and I’m pretty sure he was on crutches midseason recovering from a leg injury.

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    Because of the off-night, I watched The Notebook on ABC Family instead of the game and wound up spending the whole night crying and now I’m in a crappy mood. Thanks, Yankees.

    • Big Stein

      oh c’mon. that was so unrealistic (the letters, the ending in bed). it was like when you accidentally put to much sugar in your coffee.

  • Guest

    Anyone else pumped for Manning Bowl II?

    Huge Giant fan, but I’ve also been a Peyton supporter since he was back at Tennessee. Hoping for a good game that the Giants pull out on a last minute Manning-Manningham (best QB-Receiver last name combo ever?)touchdown.