Oct
21

Open Thread: Phillies trying to stay alive

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This is neither the time nor the place for a nap, Cody. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)

The Yankees and Phillies will always have something in common after meeting in the 2009 World Series, at least until this current crop of players moves on and some new blood trickles in. This year, both clubs were saddled with three games to one deficits in the League Division Series, and the Phightin’s will attempt to dig out of that hole tonight like the Yanks started to do yesterday.

Don’t get me wrong, by no means am I rooting for the Phillies. They could all go to hell for all I care. I just want to see some exciting baseball, preferably as much as possible. If the NLCS went seven games, I wouldn’t mind one bit. Roy Halladay gets the ball with the season on the line against Tim Lincecum, with the first pitch scheduled for just before 8pm ET on FOX. If you don’t want to talk about the game, that’s cool, chat about whatever you want instead. ‘Tis an open thread.

Categories : Open Thread
  • YankeesJunkie

    JIMP?

    Discuss

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
    I’m a woman’s man, no time to talk.

  • vin

    I honestly can’t see Doc losing twice to the Giants and their lackluster offense. But that’s just me.

    • Tony Micelli

      Agreed, kind of like Curt Schilling and Pedro Martinez both losing twice against the Yankees in the 2004 series with the Yankees ace being a mediocre (at the time) Mike Mussina and their #2 guy being an even more mediocre Jon Leiber.

      • vin

        Which is why I was so distraught when they lost game 4. None of my friends understood the comeback potential of that damn team. Especially considering the Yanks were on borrowed time in that series.

    • Hughesus Christo

      He’s pitching against Tim Lincecum.

  • Big Stein

    how come nobody ever second guesses Charlie Manuel?

    the phills were heavy, heavy favorites not only to win the pennant, but to win it all because of Halladay, their lineup, and Oswalt.

    Yet, charlie doesn’t get any flak.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5709770

      It was ESPN’s frontpage story on their baseball page most of the day.

      • Tony Micelli

        Yarr, ya beat me to it.

    • Tony Micelli
    • mbonzo
    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      The Phillies just aren’t hitting in this series. Manuel’s definitely made some weird decisions but it comes down to that. The Giants have a line of .223/.287/.338/.625 and they’re up 3-1.

      • JerseyDutch

        If Girardi made the decisions Manuel did in yesterday’s game, a mob of Yankee fans would be burning him in effigy in the middle of Times Square.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          I can’t say I know the Phillies or Giants like I know the Yankees so I don’t know how truly bad his decisions were. I certainly didn’t think bringing in Oswalt was indefensible at all, but there might have been other moves that were bad. But (and this is gonna sound ruder than I mean it to, sorry :/) this says nothing, since Girardi gets burned in effigy for everything he does, so.

    • vin

      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-decision/

      Not really sure Charlie deserves flack for bringing Oswalt into the game. He felt it was an important game, and there are plenty of maangers who don’t like bringing in the closer in a tie game on the road… especially in the 9th inning. It’s not like 2003 when non-Mo and Hammonds pitchers were called on to pitch the first 12 innings.

      At the end of the day, he set himself up to have Doc, Oswalt and Hamels start 6 of the 7 games. For the Giants to win the series, they will have needed to win the Blanton game and win half of H20′s starts (sorry couldn’t help myself).

      Rather than blaming Manuel, we should be crediting the Giants.

      • Hughesus Christo

        All the pre-series analysis missed the part where SF’s rotation is just as good (if not better)

  • CBean

    Spent the last two days in Dallas. I was just relieved we won yesterday so I didn’t have to do deal with any untoward celebrations over there.

    • Tony Micelli

      The grassy knoll!!

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

      Pretty sure untoward celebrations in Dallas are illegal as long as the Cowboys suck.

  • esteban

    What’s everybody’s favorite TV show currently on TV? Premium channel or network TV
    I still like Dexter but I’m unsure of the new season.

    • vin

      Conan and Glory Daze.

      Excuse me, I need to go to Taco Bell now.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Make sure you get the guac on that, bro.

    • JerseyDutch

      Favorite show: Breaking Bad. Favorite guilty pleasure: Wipeout.

      • Marcus

        I would second Breaking Bad. Problem is that new episodes don’t start again until next July(?!?).

        I am a Mad Men fan as well, but wasn’t so excited about the finale of Season 4.

        I would recommend Louie on FX as well, although mainly for the stand-up parts. Louis CK is hilarious.

        • FIPster Doofus

          I third Breaking Bad, and yeah, making us wait until July is ridiculous.

    • JD

      It’s a toss up between Supernatural and Fringe for me.

    • pete

      Californication is incredible

  • http://fmylife.com Bryan

    Go Bruins.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Boooooooooo!

      You’re not getting any of Couturier, Larrson, or Nugent-Hopkins this year. Leafs looking good…

      but screw the Leafs! Go Rangers!

      • http://fmylife.com Bryan

        Seguin + Horton = Greatness.

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    They could all go to hell for all I care.

    All of this. I want Philadelphians crying while eating their cheesesteaks tomorrow. This year more than either of the past two years, those assholes were certain that they were going to win it all. One more loss and they won’t even be back in the World Series at all.

    FINISH ‘EM, Giants.

    • Jorge

      Agreed. It also helps that I’ve never had a ballpark experience outside of Yankee Stadium that I’ve enjoyed more thatn AT&T Park. It’s everything Shitifield wishes it was.

      • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

        It’s so easy to be subtle about the Mets park.

        I call it Chiti Field.

        • Frigidevil

          I call is Citifield, but pronounce it like the City Wok guy from South Park.

          • Joe West’s Music Career

            I call it that craphole where that glorified minor league team plays. You could switch their roster with the Brooklyn Cyclones, and probably get the same performance.

    • Kiko Jones

      Much to the chagrin of my Met-fan friends, I like the Phillies. (Most of ‘em hate the Phillies so much they actually rooted for the Yankees—!!!—in last year’s WS.) Yes, I’ve heard all the stories about their fanbase but I genuinely like that team, regardless. (Don’t feel like falling into the same trap as irrational Yankee haters.) And since I’m a big Lincecum fan, I’ve been following and rooting for the Giants this season, as well. So, if the Yankees don’t make it to the WS I’m rooting for whoever reaches from the NL.

      So, I’m gonna ask you guys this: will you root for the Rangers if it’s them and the Phillies? Or will the WS not exist for you this year, if that turns out to be the matchup? (I’m generally an AL guy but I’m not rooting for the Rangers no matter what.)

      What say you?

  • First Time Poster

    I am looking for more online baseball reading, these are the sights I visit on a regular basis– ascending in order of most frequently visited.

    1)RAB
    2)MLBTR
    3)Fangraphs
    4)TYU
    5)MLB.com

    I dabble through links and such, but that is the most of it. I will hit up BR from time-to-time as well.

    Any suggestions?

  • Tony Micelli

    With DeSean Jackson out, I need 2 out of these 3 this week – Michael Crabtree (SF@CAR), Mike Williams (TB v. StL), and Mike Wallace (PIT@MIA)

    None of which are anything special but I need 2 out of the 3. Who should stay and who should go?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      My ordering:

      1.) Wallace

      (gap)

      2.) Williams
      3.) Crabtree

    • yankees1717

      my order in tsjcs style:

      wallace
      (small gap)
      crabtree
      (bigger gap)
      williams

  • http://www.or.ly JM

    I want the Yankees to win the next two games SO bad, however unlikely. Do I think they can? Yes. But the Rangers can also not lose two in a row. I want them to win so badly but I just don’t like the chances.

    • JerseyDutch

      It’s one game at a time. We have a good chance to win tomorrow. If we do, then we worry about the next game.

      • http://www.or.ly JM

        I’m just scared… I want to go to the parade again, I want that euphoria so bad again.

  • First Time Poster

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....the-worst/

    Poor Melk-Man. Hopefully he finds his way.

    • vin

      He’ll probably find his way to Kansas City.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        As may a few other Yanks if Buster Onley is right.

        http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....%3d5690637

        He says the Yanks and Royals match up well in terms of making a deal. I’m not sure Cashman will go for Grienke after this year’s Vazquez fiasco. We all dismissed the ‘can’t pitch in NY’ stuff and . . well, he was awful here. If it turns out he’s done, then maybe the NY stuff was nonsense. But we won;t know that for a few years, and I’ve heard Cash recently interviewed saying he was wrong about Javy.

        In any case, The Royals are well aware of the fact that they’re a few years off, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they dangled Soria as well, despite the team friendly contract. If they can fill multiple needs for when they’re ready to compete in a few years, it makes sense.

        • kunaldo

          wait, how was it he couldnt handle NY? i mean, maybe i’m just stubborn, but isnt it a LOT more that he just had really diminished stuff?

    • Hughesus Christo

      I broke this news weeks ago. I can’t imagine why anyone would sign him. Long Island Ducks, here he comes

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I broke this news weeks ago.

        Tex is the player suspended for PED use!!! I have three sources!

        /Incarcerated Bob’d

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    I thought James Harrison was a neanderthal thug for saying:

    I don’t want to see anyone injured, but I’m not opposed to hurting anyone. There’s a difference. When you’re injured, you can’t play. But when you’re hurt, you can shake it off and come back. I try to hurt people.

    But then Channing Crowder topped him by saying:

    If I get a chance to knock somebody out, I’m going to knock them out and take what they give me. They give me a helmet, I’m going to use it.

    If I’m knocked out, I don’t know where I’m at, I can’t say my name, now I can’t play football, if I get hit in the head and black out for a second and now I get back up dizzy, OK, I’m ready to go.

    [The NFL] is making a big deal about nothing.

    If they’re going to keep making us go more and more and more like a feminine sport, we’re going to wear pink every game, not just on the breast cancer months.

    http://www.palmbeachpost.com/s.....81382.html
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/.....id=5708701

    Ron Dibble, you’ve been bested. Real men get and give traumatic and repeated brain injuries because we’re not pussies who wear pink, damnit, and I’m going to keep ruining my brain and other people’s brains because doing anything otherwise would be girly. Suck on that, Roger Goodell.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      These two aren’t worried about having their brains knocked out because they don’t have much to lose.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        The important takeaway from both players:

        Wanting to eliminate concussions is “gay”.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          This, from a bunch of grown men who shower together naked.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Heh he shouldn’t go on a rant to his hopeful future teammate.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Let’s all hope that Game 7 ends up being the only truly bad postseason appearance in Cliff Lee’s life and next year he bounces right back into full-on 8 IP 0 ER 10 K 0 BB dominance for us.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

          5 runs in 7 innings with 3 walks and 3 strikeouts is a pretty bad outing.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Meh, it’s mildly bad. It obviously wasn’t insurmountably bad, as the Phillies surmounted it.

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

              Very few leads are truly insurmountable

              Just because the other team screws up even worse doesn’t make your outing any better, it just makes it easier to forget about it and move on.

    • JerseyDutch

      Heh. Good to see some fire in Swish’s belly. And I don’t blame him. I get tired of hearing about Cliff Lee, too.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Would you like to hear more about Brett Favre’s Cocktober instead?

        • JerseyDutch

          I’d be happy if Brett Favre would simply go away.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordan_smed JGS

          There’s only one Cocktober. There are several Lee starts.

    • It’sATarp

      just saying what we all were thinking. Yes cliff lee would be great on the team, but til then and until he pitches stop asking about him. This postseason is yankees vs rangers not yankees vs CLiff Lee. Lee only affected the outcome of one game out of 5 so far.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      a. that is awesome
      b. did anyone else hear A-Rod’s horrible misuse of the word “literally” today?

      • Accent Shallow

        I heard afterwards, some grammarians literally tore his head off.

  • Jose the Satirist

    So what RAB reader is also a redditor? I saw a post over there that used a picture from an RAB post and was wondering if they were a frequent poster here.

  • Jerome S

    Gardner has struck out seven times with only two walks this postseason.

    I hate to say it, but he has become overwhelmingly predictable at the plate lately. If he wants to stick around, he needs to hit a few balls into the OF.

    • Tony Micelli

      It was only a matter of time before he came back down to earth. Melky too I guess.

      : /

      • First Time Poster

        Gardy should be fine. You don’t have a .389 OBP and stink here on out. Might have a horrid postseason though :(.

      • Hughesus Christo

        lol @ comparing Gardner to Melky

    • Big Bertha

      Gardner’s been just fine. He’s a gritty player who brings a lot of speed and energy to the ballclub. It was his head first slide into 1st that ignited our rally in Game 1. We could use more hustlers like Gardy when we retool for next season. As the Rangers have shown, hitting HRs is not the way to go. The Rangers play the game the way it was meant to be played.

      • JerseyDutch

        Home runs are so overrated…

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Mmmmmm, that’s some tasty satire.

        (Please be satire.)

      • It’sATarp

        “As the Rangers have shown, hitting HRs is not the way to go. The Rangers play the game the way it was meant to be played.”

        really? all the rangers have been doing are hitting infield singles and homeruns…

        • Jerome S

          The antlers are the most annoying thing in baseball since the Trop.

        • yankees1717

          wait wtf hrs is the rangers whole MO

      • Jerome S

        Speed only goes so far. You can’t – and you won’t – run out 70% of all balls hit to the infield. Also, sometimes it’s best to swing at the first pitch (The first two pitches to Gardner these days are always meatballs.)
        You can maintain a high batting average and still have an OBP .140 points higher. Gardner certainly can. A few minor tweaks at the plate would make this man an all-star.

    • vin

      Wonder if his wrist is bothering him. Also, it wouldn’t hurt him to swing at the occasional first pitch fastball though. It’s hard to succeed against good pitching when you’re constantly behind in the count.

  • It’sATarp

    i’m hoping Lincecum will go 9 innings 12k’s for the win

  • CHP

    Guys I am looking for a new cell phone carrier. Anyone uses Virgin mobile? How is it?

    • First Time Poster

      I have Koodo… pretty much the same. I love it. No contract, cheap, decent service. I suggest Virgin, or a provider like it.

      • CHP

        Thanks.I live in NY so Koodo is not available.

  • First Time Poster

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....lId=100090

    Alaska has a total of 36 votes. Heh!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      My vote for “Yankees in 6 with a Texas forfeit in Game 7″ didn’t show up in the system, for some reason.

      • First Time Poster

        Stupid ESPN and their relentless logic and non-foolish media savvy ways… *clears throat and looks around*

    • vin

      I’m surprised Rangers in 7 only has about 18% of the vote. You’d figure with all the Cliff Lee hype more people would see that as an option (of course I’m not one of those people).

      • Tony Micelli

        Most Yankee pessimistic fans would have the Yankees losing in Game 6. Not many pessimistic fans would say “Yankees are certainly going to win Game 6 with ease but unfortunately lose to Cliff Lee in Game 7″

        They’re usually more extreme than that.

        • vin

          You’re right. The Yankees beating the guy they hit hard last time, and then losing to the best pitcher in baseball is far too logical for the folks who normally vote in those polls.

    • JerseyDutch

      It’s cool to be the underdog for a change.

      • Dream of Electric Sheep/ still haven’t register /too lazy

        your name reminds me of these two things
        1. Atlantic city
        2. rolling paper

        • First Time Poster

          It reminds me of a dirty, dirty deed.

          Guy #1: So, how did the date go last night?
          Guy #2: Man… I think she’s the one!
          Guy #1: That good!
          Guy #2: Yeah… she even let me jersey dutch her face
          Guy #1: Lucky!

          • JerseyDutch

            LOL. That’s pretty good.

  • Dream of Electric Sheep/ still haven’t register /too lazy

    It’s Thursday Fever by McCovey Cove tonight! Master Jointsmith Tim blaze shall annihilate Doc Halladay and Co. as the sun will set eternal on Phil’s pseudo dynasty.

    All Guns and Kung Fu are on deck for this grand ole finale.

  • First Time Poster

    What if the Yanks pick up Melky and kidnap IPK. Then, trade them and a couple AA arms to the Phillies for Doc. Swap Doc for Lee straight up with maybe some prospects. Then game 7 will never have to happen after the Yanks win game 6.

    • Tony Micelli

      That’s all incredibly unlikely even if they could legally do it. But even if it were likely, the trade deadline was several months ago. lol

    • Jerome S

      You would trade Halladay for Lee?

      • First Time Poster

        No way. I love Doc. Best in the game IMO.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      I love how were still trading IPK for whoever we want even after we already traded him.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I’m already cooking up IPK for Sonny Gray and/or Anthony Rendon proposals.

  • JerseyDutch

    Let’s see if Tiny Tim can pull this one off.

  • First Time Poster

    What happened to Pablo? He has turned from a Kung-Fu panda into a sad panda… and that makes me a sad panda…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      It made my fantasy team sad, that’s for sure.

      • First Time Poster

        Remember those years he was eligible for C… I loved me some Pablo then.

  • First Time Poster

    Who would win in an arm wrestle, Thome or Thomas? I’d asked it in today’s chat, but unfortunately it was never queued.

  • ShuutoHeat

    Howard doesn’t have a single RBI this post season… LOL

    • First Time Poster

      But I thought he was an RBI guy?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      He’s actually the only Phillie hitting really well, he’s got an OPS over 1.100 in this series IIRC (SSS caveat)

      • ShuutoHeat

        I don’t have the numbers, but are the people in front of him failing to get on for him?

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          I’d imagine that’s it.

  • JerseyDutch

    McCarver is already raving like a mad man…

  • Hughesus Christo

    Now they’re playing MGMT. Stop being so awesome, SF.

  • ShuutoHeat (Don’t Trade GGBG Pl0x)

    Sit your ass down Victorino!

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    Maybe I haven’t seen enough Chase Utley over the years, or haven’t noticed it, but damn…

    do all his swings look like half-swings? I know it’s a short swing, but that short?

  • JerseyDutch

    I know I should be used to it, but it still makes me do a double take when they announce the pitcher in the batting line up.

  • Brooklyn Ed

    The most awesome SF Giants tribute I ever seen:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....._embedded#

  • JerseyDutch

    The God of Pitching walked the lead-off batter???

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    A walk and a hit allowed by the Doc.

    Cash in right now.

  • ShuutoHeat

    Halladay is invincible during Doctober!!!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Doctober >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cocktober

      • Carlosologist

        Everything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cocktober

        • Jerome S

          Cocktober>Vikings.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            The Smoot/McKinnie Love Boat Vikings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Brett Favre Cocktober Vikings

            • Carlosologist

              Slumpbusters > Cocktober

              • First Time Poster

                /Logistics’d

  • Carlosologist

    Halladay does not look sharp. At all.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Maybe (like David Cone) that no hitter was his last, best moment.

      • Carlosologist

        That would really suck.

        • Jerome S

          It would I root for Doc every time he takes the mound – you know, because he’s a future hall of famer.

  • ShuutoHeat

    That outside corner of the strike zone is dead, stop trying.

  • Hughesus Christo

    We ever explain how Ryan Howard became a good defender?

    • Jerome S

      I kinda feel sorry for him, because he’s really good – but not as great as Pujols. It sucks when you might never be the best 1B in the league with his numbers, but eh.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I love Ryan Howard but he is REALLY overrated. He is not even close to Pujols’ level.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Ryan Howard, 2006-2010: 18.1 bWAR
          Albert Pujols, 2006-2010: 42.6 bWAR

          For poops and giggles:

          Mark Teixeira, 2006-2010: 26.2
          Lance Berkman, 2006-2010: 17.5 bWAR

          That’s right, Howard was barely more valuable than Lance Berkman.

        • vin

          At least he’ll nearly be paid like Pujols.

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    Man, more poor Philly fielding.

  • ShuutoHeat

    The best 2B in NL!!!

    • Jerome S

      Ha.

  • JerseyDutch

    Score early and often, Giants.

  • Stratman9652

    And that is why walks are not your friend. Glad CC knows this.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Roy looks a little… unnerved.

  • Stratman9652

    Doc is scary pissed off right now.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    So uh stating the obvious here but Halladay is pissed

    • Carlosologist

      He seems like one of those guys who is incredibly calm on the outside, but when they get pissed, they get pissed.

      • first time lawng time

        Haha I love those people. They’re so funny lol.

      • First Time Poster

        Does not talk to anybody while on the bench during a game… he is an intense man.

  • ShuutoHeat

    Big Time Timmy JIM!!!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      THE FREAKY FRANCHISE!!!!

  • JerseyDutch

    That Lincecum can pitch a little.

  • first time lawng time

    So I’m watching Lincecum pitch for the first time (and by that I mean I’m actually paying attention for the first time) and I must say that his delivery is ridiculous. I mean as he brings his arm back in the wind up it’s slow like a normal pitcher, but then he launches it forwardlike a slingshot. It’s weird, because most pitchers have 1 fluid motion, you know? Looks like an injury waiting to happen lol.

    I bet it throws the hitters off though.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      It’s weird, because most pitchers have 1 fluid motion, you know?

      That’s where you lost me.

      • first time lawng time

        By that I mean, it’s like compared to Lincecum it seems like it’s in one motion. By that I mean when Lincecum pitches it seems like he pauses halfway through and changes arm speeds drastically. Just an observation. I really don’t know how to explain it.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I know what you’re saying, just pointing out that many many many many MLB pitchers also have non-fluid, jagged deliveries.

          Lincecum’s is uniquely violent, yes, but he’s not the only odd arm angle “that looks like an injury waiting to happen” guy in baseball.

          • first time lawng time

            Yeah I know that. It’s just that his delivery really stands out to me. Also, I really don’t pay much attention to the pitcher at all. I mean, I’m usually just staring at the batter.

        • DF

          His body is a little ahead of his arm at one point in his delivery, so to compensate he tucks his arm behind his back/hip for a split second. The rest of his delivery is MORE “one-motion-y” than most pitchers. He never breaks his momentum forward, drifts through the balance point, uses an extremely quick tempo…

          /pitching mechanics nerd’d

    • ShuutoHeat

      His mechanics is unorthodox.
      But they’re not as bad as some other pitchers in the MLB, that one Angels reliever that delivers nearly standing straight.

    • JerseyDutch

      Someone on a thread here actually suggested that Hughes should adopt his approach. Right.

    • Carlosologist

      Everybody knows this lol. Lincecum’s right arm is not long for the world of baseball. If the Giants can squeeze out a couple of good seasons from him before he blows out, that’d be great.

      • Jerome S

        Lincecum = Kerry Wood 2017?

        • DF

          No.

      • DF

        That’s not necessarily true. Read up on his mechanics and what he’s actually doing. He doesn’t put the stress on his arm that you think he does. He’s letting his lower body and core do most of the work for him.

        IMO, his mechanics are some of the best ever. Unfortunately it’s unlikely many people could adopt them, because Lincecum is such a unique combination of core strength and flexibility.

        • Jerome S

          You KNOW that Timmy has a six pack.He just has to be ripped under there.

          • DF

            Haha. Definitely.

    • Stratman9652

      The best way to describe it is violent. I don’t know how his arm hasn’t gone through the backstop yet.

      Throw hitters off? He makes most of them look stupid.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        He’s like the Gary Sheffield of pitching.

        (violates no-cross-racial-comparisons rule of baseball)

        • Accent Shallow

          A crazy, talented malcontent with mood swings?

  • first time lawng time

    Rank these pitchers from who you think is the best pitcher at the moment, from greatest to least greatest: Halladay, CC, Price, Lincecum, Hernandez, Cliff Lee.

    I say:
    1. Hernandez
    2. Halladay
    3. Lincecum
    4. Cliff Lee
    5. CC
    6. Price

    I might swap Lincecum and Lee though. I’ve never watched Lincecum before, but I hear he’s pretty good lol.

    • Jerome S

      Halladay
      Hernandez
      Lee
      Lincecum
      CC
      Price

    • JerseyDutch

      Chad Gaudin is first. Everyone else is a distant second at best.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        1. Casey Kelly
        2. Casey Kelly
        3. Casey Kelly
        4. Casey Kelly
        5. Casey Kelly
        6. Josh Beckett

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          Meh Beckett deserves being second. Being the best postseason pitcher to ever play in the MLB deserves that. But obviously not over Casey Kelly numero uno.

    • anon

      Price doesnt belong on this list. And Hernandez belongs at the bottom.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        And Hernandez belongs at the bottom.

        Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          T3H WINS TSJC!!!

          HE HAZ N0NE ST00PID.

      • first time lawng time

        I just named pitchers off the top of my head, not saying Price is better than pitchers not on the list. And yeah, no. No way is CC better than Hernandez.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Maybe he was talking about Livan Hernandez. That would make sense.

        • anon

          Only stuff wise.

          • Jerome S

            What does a pitcher have besides, “stuff”?

            • anon

              What does Andy Pettitte have?

              • Jerome S

                Great stuff.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                A hot ass!

                /obligatory Bexy answer hours later because I just noticed this’d

            • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

              Control? Command? Durability?

              • Jerome S

                Isn’t that “stuff?”

              • anon

                Control and command would be the same thing. And no.

                Pettitte knows how to read how batters approach him that day and he knows how to get it done with what he has working that day.

                • Jerome S

                  And Lee doesn’t?

                  • anon

                    Where are you getting that from? I never disputed Lee.

                    • Jerome S

                      Oh right… ehem.

                      And Hernandez doesn’t?

                    • anon

                      Nope.

                      Who’s else wants a piece?

                    • Jerome S

                      Um…
                      dude. Look at the numbers. Hernandez has been better in nearly every category. NEARLY EVERY CATEGORY.

                      He’s better. And younger.

                    • anon

                      You have to actually watch the games sometimes.

                    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                      Yay eyes argument ffs.

                    • Jerome S

                      I watched mostly Yankees games this year,
                      but I do recall three games where Felix shut us out.
                      He’s, um, pretty good.

                      SOMEBODY BACK ME UP HERE!

                    • anon

                      Scouts work 100% off fangraphs.com

                      True story.

                    • Jerome S

                      …Look, I just told you, I watched three of Felix’s starts this year, and he uber dominated each time!!

                    • anon

                      Ive seen him look pretty lost when he doesnt have his his best stuff.

                    • Jerome S

                      I’ve seen CC do the same.

                    • anon

                      He won last night. Ive never seen that kind of a performance out of Hernandez yet. So I dont really like him more than some of the others listed.

                    • Jerome S

                      O:S

                  • Esteban

                    Maybe, maybe not but I know someone that has a
                    #lowpitchingIQ

                • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                  Control and command are different.

                • Jerome S

                  Christ…
                  O:S

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Hernandez
      Halladay
      Lee
      Lincecum
      CC
      Price

      • Jerome S

        NO.
        Halladay over Hernandez.
        I’m telling you!

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          It’s close 3.04 FIP for the King and 3.01 FIP for Halladay. Buuuuuuut Felix is mad young and is playing in a tougher league. I like him more but the difference is very very very small.

          • Jerome S

            Bu..Bu….
            But teh wins!!!

          • ZZ

            He also pitches in Yellowstone.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Which would matter if he wasn’t pretty much just as good on the road as at home.

              http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#hmvis

              • ZZ

                Not really.

                You are evaluating him based on his numbers. How he pitches at home is independent of how he pitches on the road.

                By pitching half his games in Seattle he greatly benefited in every game he has started there compared to Halladay and just about every other team in baseball.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  By pitching half his games in Seattle he greatly benefited in every game he has started there compared to Halladay and just about every other team in baseball.

                  Fine. To be fair, then, just compare Felix’s road numbers to Halladay’s/Lee’s road numbers.

                  Felix is better.

                  • ZZ

                    His career or this season?

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      Yes.

                  • ZZ

                    Also, isn’t the question who is the best pitcher, not who performed better in 2010?

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      In both questions, I’ll take the 24 year old King from Seattle.

                    • ZZ

                      Age isn’t everything. I think Halladay is a better pitcher than Felix.

                      In a few years from now that will probably change, but right now he doesn’t matchup with Lee and Halladay in my book.

              • Chris

                He plays in the AL west, which has good pitchers parks in Seattle, Oakland and LA.

    • ZZ

      Lee
      Halladay
      Hernandez
      CC
      Lincecum
      Price

      Price will be better than Lincecum next season though and maybe CC.

      • Jerome S

        I don’t see it. Timmeh will come back strong. He is the Freak.
        Price is overrated, IMO. The whole Rays team is.

        • ZZ

          Price has a generational arm. He is going to be incredible as he develops more.

          If I had to choose any pitcher in baseball to start a team with or choose any pitcher for the next 10 years or however you want to phrase it, I would take Price without hesitation.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I’d also take Price over Lincecum, without thinking twice.

            Price v. Felix, though, I’m torn. Price is a lefty and he’ll improve, but Felix is already much, much better and he’s actually a full year younger.

            • ZZ

              Felix is the safer bet.

              Price is a bit more of a projection, but a confident projection.

  • First Time Poster

    That makes for a funny mental image.

    • First Time Poster

      /reply fail

  • ShuutoHeat

    Kung Fu Panda putting up a fight with this AB, I like.

  • vin

    For anyone interested, I’ve calc’d the BABIP for the Yanks and Rangers.

    After Game 5 (current)
    Rangers – .369
    Yanks – .257

    After Game 4
    Rangers – .346
    Yanks – .256

    It’s good to see that our eyes aren’t deceiving us – the Rangers are hitting and inordinate amount of balls for hits (especially considering they’re facing playoff pitching [allegedly]).

    Their BABIP actually improved after last night’s game. The biggest culprits for both teams:

    Bengie – .500
    Cruz – .500
    Moreland – .462
    Young – .444
    Vlad – .429
    Elvis – .421
    Murphy – .400
    (Hamilton – .182)

    Posada – .444
    Jeter – .375
    Curtis – .364
    Cano – .308
    (Swish – .083)
    (Tex – .000 obviously)

    The Rangers have 7 guys at or above .400. The Yanks only have Jorge, and that’s because he’s struck out more than anyone on the team (7 k’s – only Vlad’s K’d more, 8). Hell, the Yanks only have 4 players over .300.

    Pretty remarkable. I’m sure its a combination of luck, the Rangers being in a groove, and the first two Yankee starters throwing very hittable pitches.

    • ShuutoHeat

      Did the Rangers sacrifice 100 virgins to BABIP? Geez.

      • First Time Poster

        Just Rich Harden.

        • vin

          and Christian Guzman.

      • anon

        Just CJ Wilson

    • JerseyDutch

      Let’s hope for a BIG correction tomorrow.

  • first time lawng time

    With their uniforms, their really nice stadium, and Lincecum and stuff, the Giants are slowly becoming my favorite team…

    You know, not including the Yankees obviously.

    • First Time Poster

      I usually like baseball teams because of religious views and opinion on suffrage… dang women folk.

    • JerseyDutch

      If Lincecum would grow one of those big honking beards, it would be a lock for me…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      My favorite non-Yankee uniforms (off the top of my head)

      Giants
      Mariners
      Dodgers
      Pirates
      Reds
      Twins (great upgrade this year, kudos for dumping the road grey pinstripes)

      I’d love to put the Royals and Athletics on the list, but they need to drop their horrid alternate/3rd/4th jersey combos first.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Giants are DQed because of the horrible orange jerseys. I like the cream ones though.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          That’s true, I should penalize them for the alternates like I do the A’s/Royals.

  • First Time Poster

    In your opinion, how much better is Lee than CC?

    • vin

      He’s one of those guys who dominates more, but CC’s length track record buys him extra credit. Just ask tsjc.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Just ask tsjc.

        HEY, YOU’RE MAKING ME LOOK STUPID! GET OUT HERE, PANDA JERK!

    • Jerome S

      Not terribly better, but… definitely better. Lee has the best FIP in the league if I am correct and… have you seen the movement on his pitches? Fuck the numbers, just watch him!!! But yeah he’s better but not exactly 2000 Pedro.

      • vin

        I can’t wait until next year’s big controversy… who starts Opening Day for the Yanks.

        I’m giddy thinking about it (and the ring ceremony).

        • Jerome S

          It’ll be CC, don’t doubt it. Cliff Lee is the best pitcher in baseball, but CC is a Yankee.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          1. CC
          2. Lee

          #incumbency

          • vin

            I agree, but it doesn’t mean it won’t result in an embarassment of riches-type controversy.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              The controversy probably comes when our #5 starter is making 16.5M next year.

              • Jerome S

                /AJ’d

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              Lee does not want to be second fiddle!!! I can just TELL okay

              /Bret
              /also this other Orioles fan on Twitter

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Remember when Cliff Lee pitched that huge hissyfit when the Mariners named Felix Hernandez the 2010 Opening Day starter and bumped him to #2?

                No?

                Me neither.

                • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

                  I can’t wait for the world to throw a fit when we sign Lee.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  Hah, I didn’t even remember that to combat their dumb arguments.

                  • Chris

                    Lee was injured to start the season, so it’s probably not a good point to make in an argument.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      It wouldn’t have mattered.

                      Lee’s only been the Opening Day starter once in his life, in 2009 with the Indians after CC left.

                      I doubt he’d mind being CC’s #2 again in pinstripes, as long as they keep winning and they both keep getting paid.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Weird to see shortstops making plays in the hole w/o having to do a jump throw…

    /shot at Jeter’d

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Roy looks really uncomfortable.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      He’s just not loose enough, Bex.

  • ShuutoHeat

    Doc is already as 43 pitches…

  • Carlosologist

    lol what the hell just happened?

  • JerseyDutch

    How is he not out at third?

    • Carlosologist

      Because even when umpires have a perfect view of the play, they mess up. They had it right the first time. It should have only been a runner on second with two out.

  • Hughesus Christo

    I heard the Giants’ D was bad, but wow.

  • Stratman9652

    Wow, and thats how an inning falls apart.

  • iJoel

    The Bunt That Wasn’t..

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Weirdest inning ever

    • Margaux

      Bexarama -

      Since you are a baseball aficionado, and work full time in baseball, blogging here and running a baseball site etc, I was wondering your take on Mike’s article comparing Posada to Molina. Since I am an avid fan but have a rigorous job as a bond trader, I don’t know as much about baseball and baseball stats as you do, obviously. I do deal all day in numbers. Thousands of simulated models with real time facts and also assumptions are placed into my models. This is how we do business, we go with the most probable outcome based on the simulated numbers. When I read this article, as a numbers guy, I questioned why anyone would ever start Jorge Posada behind the plate. Can you shed some light? Would be much appreciated:

      “So based on everything we did above, Jorge Posada playing full time is essentially a league average player because his inability to handle pitchers and awful baserunning negates his offense. Molina, meanwhile, would have resulted in an extra 71 runs assuming equal playing time, or basically seven wins. It’s a big difference, basically the difference between Derek Jeter and Ramiro Pena last season.”

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ina-21517/

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        You could’ve just asked this to everyone, but did you read this part:

        Obviously, you shouldn’t consider this to be any sort of definitive proof that Molina’s ability to work with pitchers is so superior to Posada’s that it would have been worth playing him every day despite the difference in their bats.

        It’s very hard to come up with stats to accurately measure defense in baseball and this goes, like, quadruple for catcher defense. No kidding that Posada is a really bad defensive catcher and Molina a good one, but they might be overstating the importance of that difference. While I do think there can be a relationship issue between pitchers and catchers that I can’t speak to because I’m not there, catcher ERA is pretty useless, too, IMO. Also Molina has a bat that could be best described as barf.

        • Margaux

          agreed, but I didn’t include your excerpt because it has nothing to do with the numbers that he laid out in the piece. the numbers jumped out at me. not his disclaimer that the numbers could be wrong or misleading, I go by the numbers.

      • Chris

        That analysis assigns all of the pitching difference when Molina and Posada catch to their game calling. While that’s possible, it’s much more likely that a significant portion of that blame/credit should go to the pitchers. That’s particularly important since Girardi has shown a tendency to match up pitcher-catcher batteries (Posada caught CC, Pettitte, and Hughes this year, and Cervelli caught AJ and Javy).

        Once you take out game calling, Posada is 5 wins more valuable than Molina (because he can actually hit).

        • Margaux

          Please explain further. Posada caught the Yankees 3 best pitchers this year yet he is worth 5 more wins than Molina because of his offense? please explain.

          • Chris

            I was just using this year as an example that catchers and pitchers sometimes get matched up, so you have to look deeper than just what the batting line against is. I don’t know who they caught in 2007-2009 and when (for example catching Mussina in 2007 was very different from catching him in 2008), but you really need to dig into that to get a better idea of whether one was really better than the other.

            As for the 5 wins, the analysis had Molina as 120 runs better than Posada in game calling, but only 70 runs overall. If you take out the 120 runs based on game calling, that leaves Posada as 50 runs better – about 5 wins.

          • Joe West’s Music Career

            Margaux,

            It’s a question of model validity.

            As a bond trader, you have the luxury of getting paid to act with agility, decisiveness, and intelligence based on model output, and assuming you are not dealing with mortgages or more speculative models for corporates, the predictive value/significance of the input variables are probably not in question (I am VERY confident that yield curve, credit quality, and maturity are all significant and explain the overwhelming majority of price movements. Liquidity as well, sometimes). Your quants and economists will be more familiar with this problem.

            The problem here is that there are too many variables that are difficult to quantify, coupled with sample size issues, to back out catcher performance with any confidence.

            While comparing catchers on the same team might seem like it would isolate the variable of their performance effectively, it doesn’t.

            One catcher will almost always have a much more significant sample size than the other, and they may not be evenly distributed across pitchers (The backup catcher often catches one or two pitchers more often). This may apply to competition as well. Backup work often comes in chunks, if the primary catcher is out for awhile, a major chunk of the backup’s activity will come during this period. The team can easily go through a stretch of above average or below average competition during this period.

            So, effectively, you are right, IF Molina is 120 annualized runs better on defense, and 70 worse on offense, then of course he’s the best choice.

            But the assumptions going into the 120 calculation are interesting theoretically, but if you traded off that model, you’d go broke. It’d be a little like basing your risk management strategy entirely on VAR, yet knowing that the distribution of asset returns is maybe not gaussian….

  • iJoel

    I really hate this stupid Cablevision blackout… i can’t see any replays of a play becausse im watching it online…. CRAP

  • ShuutoHeat

    Damn it…

  • ShuutoHeat

    Come on GIDP!

  • first time lawng time

    Meltdown.

    Blown call, ball takes weird hop, and 3+ runs.

    Ugh.

  • iJoel

    Roy is at 43 pitches through 2IP… if they keep working him he might not be in there for more than 5 or 6 at the least… however now that he has a lead, he might go right after the giants hitters..

    COME ON BIG TIME TIMMY JAM!!!

  • http://yanksdraftsandprospects.blogspot.com/ Jake H

    That hit by pitch to Ruiz was bs. If a guy doesn’t even attemp to get out of the way especially against a change up it should be a strike

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      He’s the Roy Halladay of catchers.

    • Chris

      It should be a ball not a strike, but I agree that the batter should make some attempt to get out of the way to get 1B.

  • ShuutoHeat

    Wow, that is some BS luck! Luckily Utley throws it away.

  • Mike R

    Hey all.. Gonna be my only non-yankees post ever.. But does anyone know if I can somehow stream Fox Five legally or illegally online.. Getting screwed over by Cablevision and Fox and wanted to watch this game.. Any helps appreciated

  • Big Stein

    Lincecum’s pitches are too damn high!

    • Jerome S

      I get it.

    • Erica

      lulz

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Well at least this game hasn’t been weird or sloppily-played or anything like that.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig
  • Stratman9652

    So how does Swisher’s mouth not get him in more trouble? Not that he’s wrong, I’d get sick off hearing about Cliff Lee too, but he seems to have a tendency of talking faster than he thinks.

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      What’d he say?

      • FIPster Doofus
      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Twitter link at the top of the thread.

        Said he’s tired of talking about Clifton Phifer.

        • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

          Good for him.

    • Mike R

      Oh yah lets kill Nick Swisher for being positive and saying crazier things have happened then winning game six and then beating Cliff Lee in game seven. God forbid someone on the Yankees stays positive as Swish always is..

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        He didn’t even say that, he just said he was tired of talking about Cliff Lee, which I don’t blame him for.

      • Stratman9652

        I never said that anything along those lines. I absolutely love Swisher’s energy and enthusiasm. But he deffinately has a knack for saying things that must make the PR guys cringe. I wasn’t talking about him saying they can beat Cliff Lee. I was refering to the more explicit comments he made in a room full of reporters. Specifically:

        “You guys are talking about Cliff Lee?” said Swisher out loud in a room full of reporters. “[Expletive], who cares?”

        and

        “I’m not talking about Cliff Lee,” Swisher said. “I don’t give a [expletive].”

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          But he deffinately has a knack for saying things that must make the PR guys cringe.

          I get this one even if it wasn’t “FUCK CLIFF LEE” or whatever but when else?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            FUCK YO COUCH CLIFF LEE
            FUCK YO COUCH CLIFF LEE

        • Chris

          Can you blame him? I mean, Lee isn’t even pitching in game 6.

        • Erica

          I can’t say I blame Swish. Nothing like some raw honesty. I mean, how many times can someone be questioned about an individual that’s NOT even their teammate?!?

    • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

      ESPN needs to chill already with the cliff lee stuff. i’d love to see him join the yankees just so they shut the hell up about him already

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      I don’t mind that they’re talking about a player who deserves the recognition but if I was a player I’d be fucking pissed too if a lot of the questions being asked was how are you going to deal with Cliff Lee.

      • Mike R

        Yah I’m sure Nick as well as the rest of the Yankees are so over hearing about Cliff Lee, especially since they need to win game six first. Bex I was talking about what he said directly after game five, I figured some people might of got upset about that too. Regardless how can you blame the guy if someone kept asking me about some pitcher and not my team I’d probably get a little annoyed too.

  • Chris

    Wow. Pat Burrell looked like he was running in slow motion.

    • Jerome S

      He was. The Phillies play so fast, it makes normal baseball look like a dramatic film.

  • https://twitter.com/Carcillo_ Carcillo

    There is NO denying Cody Ross’s awesomeness.

  • dkla

    rob coordry is on fire

    go giants!

  • Nathan

    Ok seriously… what has this world come to? CODY ROSS?!!?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!

  • Erica

    That Werth guy has an arm on him.

    • dkla

      he’s gonna be shaving that beard next year…

      • Erica

        He may as well be a part of the Giants pitching staff with that beard.

      • JerseyDutch

        Why?

      • FIPster Doofus

        Are you implying he’ll be a Yankee?

        • dkla

          hoping he’ll be a yankee

          i love jason werth

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Yeah, but what about Jayson Werth? Do you love him too?

            • dkla

              no. that “y” makes all the difference

          • FIPster Doofus

            Werth is a favorite of mine, too, but the Yankees won’t sign him for a couple reasons: 1. Their OF appears to be set. 2. The Yankees money will surely go toward signing Jeter to a huge deal (sigh) and giving Rivera and Pettitte their expensive one-year re-ups, not to mention that Cliff Lee guy. I could also see them signing a veteran DH type to a one-year deal.

            Ultimately, no room at the inn for baby Jaysus … er, Jayson.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        … for the Tigers? Nationals? Rangers? Giants?

        It won’t be for the Yankees.

        • dkla

          a guy can dream

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I’d rather dream about Cliff Lee and Andy Pettitte. Getting those two plus Jeter + Mo and all the contractual/arb/rookie scale pay raises will take us up to the 220M+ threshhold.

            No room for Werth.

            • Crosetti32

              Maybe they could raise ticket prices.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Krusty: TAKE THE CLOWN COLLEGE!
                Fat Tony: We have already taken the clown college.

                [jump-cut to Knuckles leading a class of young clowns]

                Knuckles: Kids got a lot of money these days, so after your performance, you might wanna consider robbin’ ‘em.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              I’d rather dream about Cliff Lee and Andy Pettitte.

              Me too, my friend. Me too.

              • Chris

                I have a feeling that the dreams are a little different.

                Just a hunch….

              • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

                Oh, Bexy. You light up my life.

            • dkla

              so no crawford either?

              i want all-stars!!!

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Cliff Lee was an All-Star.

                You’re welcome.

                • dkla

                  i know it’s inevitable, and i’ll be glad to have him, but right now i hate cliff lee

                  /unable to see past the short term’d

          • ZZ

            Only way they get Werth is if they were to value him more than Swisher and decide to trade him.

        • Crosetti32

          His step-dad played for the yanks.

        • Erica

          I feel like there would be some kind of crazy outrage if Werth wound up on the Yankees. Y’know, like hate crimes on Yankees fans via Philies phans.

          I should really do homework instead.

        • Carlosologist

          At the beginning of the season I wanted Werth, but then Gardner came out of nowhere and produced. This means we have a cost-controlled outfield that will continue to produce. We had the only OF that contained three outfielders that produced 4 fWAR or better.

          • dkla

            jeter
            granderson
            tex
            arod
            cano
            werth
            swisher

            /drool’d

            • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

              sick protection for cano

              • Kit

                I don’t think that’s the line up…because if it is it’s missing a catcher and a DH.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

            I hope Gardner still produces at this rate but I don’t like the chances of him repeating 2010.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Neither do I.

              I’d rather keep his cheap middling production in the #9 hole, though, so I can buy Lee and retain Jeter/Mo/Pettitte.

              • dkla

                what’s your guess about andy: retire or come back?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  He’s coming back.

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    Win #250, Ring #7, one more hurrah with the Core 4 before he and Posada ride off into the sunset.

                    • Carlosologist

                      It’ll be the saddest day in Yankeeland since the Babe died, that’s for sure.

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                      Seeing pictures of him with Posada are reaaaaally bumming me out of late. Just because I know it’s not gonna continue forever. ;_______;

                      Ring #7

                      Oh I dig it.

            • ZZ

              He’ll hit for a higher average but slightly lower on base percentage.

              I don’t think people realize how banged up Gardner was the second half of the season and how the injuries he had are particularly troublesome for his swing.

              Another great year from Gardner in 2011.

  • Carlosologist

    Given that the Giants clinch tonight, who takes home the hardware?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      It’d be Ross.

  • Erica

    Cody Ross, chill out with your awesomeness. I don’t want to root for a potential rival!

  • FIPster Doofus

    I am strongly considering buying a playstation 3 for the sole purpose of playing MLB 10: The Show, of which I’ve heard nothing but amazing things. Is it worth it?

  • Carlosologist

    Jesus, what an arm.

  • JDDZip

    So who’s rooting for rain storms tomorrow night? http://www.weather.com/weather.....3?dayNum=1

  • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

    hypothetical offseason fun:
    trade swisher/granderson/montero/hughes/joba for king felix, then sign lee and werth and call it a day

    • JDDZip

      so trade away the future for king felix?

      • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

        besides montero (who remains to be seen), none of those guys offer a brighter future than felix

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          Hughes + Montero comes a bit close in the overall future. Swisher, Granderson and Joba is just fucking overkill.

          • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

            you gotta pay up if you want to get the best pitcher in baseball

    • candyforstalin

      that was fun.

    • Jerome S

      um…
      No.
      Actually on second thought…
      mega no.

      • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

        hmm i guess you’re right, i mean who’d ever want a rotation of CC/lee/felix on their team anyway

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Yes, because that’s the reason he’s objecting to this.

          (rolls eyes)

    • Accent Shallow

      How about no.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      trade swisher/granderson/montero/hughes/joba for king felix, then sign lee and werth and call it a day

      A.) Who’s our third outfielder? Colin Curtis?
      B.) Who’s our fifth starter? Ivan Nova?
      C.) With the 250M+ payroll we’d then have, since we won’t have money for a replacement for Posada, is Frankie Cervelli now our new starting catcher for the next 6 years until Gary Sanchez is ready?

      • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

        A + B. who cares
        C. we don’t even know if montero can catch at MLB level yet

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Cashman: So that’s my plan.
          Hal Steinbrenner: Wait, who’s our third outfielder and fifth starter?
          Cashman: Who cares?
          Hal: You’re fired. Get the fuck out of my office with that ridiculous bullshit.

          • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

            CC/lee/felix makes up for a rookie/cheap free agent LF and 5th starter

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              No, it doesn’t.

          • candyforstalin

            even hank would have him committed.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          We don’t know if anyone in our system can be a ML catcher. So keep all of them and have more chances of someone panning out.

          • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

            true but some of these guys are going to be more valuable trade pieces than MLB players though

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      But then we’d only have 2 OFers.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        And 4 starting pitchers, and no MLB ready catcher to take over for Posada after his walk year.

        • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

          i don’t think nova as 5th starter would be so bad… with that rotation you could put pretty much anybody in there and you can almost guarantee winning every playoff series. LF could come cheap, C would be trickier, although i don’t doubt cash would find a way if romine’s not ready to play yet

          • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

            So we’re banking on Romine panning out with no viable plan B for some time?

            • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

              i wouldn’t pass up felix. we’d be able to get a catcher, maybe we could sign one of the 100 molina kids

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            But by ditching all of our cost-controlled players, unless we move up into the 250-270M payroll range, we’re not going to replace the LF or C with anything but a near-replacement level player.

            Hello, Randy Winn Pt. Deux. I’ll pass.

            Keeping Swisher/Granderson/Montero/Hughes/Joba’s mid-level/ubercheap contracts in productive starting jobs is precisely what gives us the ability to go sign a Lee (or a Sabathia, or a Teixeira).

            Jeter/Mo/Pettitte/Posada/Bernie being cheap everyday players is what let us go splurge on Cone/Wells/Clemens/Fielder/Strawberry/Knoblauch/etc. back in the day.

            You can’t deal away multiple good cheap young players creating multiple holes just for one upgrade. Bad idea.

            • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

              hmmm i think we could do a little better than winn though right?
              we gotta have a decent LF prospect somewhere… i know its a stretch but you could always shanghai jeter in LF and put nunez at SS too

              • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                I don’t want to go to the mid 2000′s type defense again.

            • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

              just did the rough math:
              swish (6.5) + cg (5.5) + joba hughes jesus (1.5~) = 13.5 – felix (10) = +3.5MM
              now add
              NJ(6) + andy (12) + javy (12) = 33.5
              that leaves 23 for lee, and 10.5 leftover for werth. it would be a stretch, but we wouldn’t have to break the bank by much more than we would have

          • FIPster Doofus

            “with that rotation you could put pretty much anybody in there and you can almost guarantee winning every playoff series.”

            Not really. Maddux-Glavine-Smoltz only won one title. Currently, the team with the much-ballyhooed H20 rotation is on the brink of elimination.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              That too. Would the Phillies offense be better with some of the position players and quality depth they traded away to get Lee, Halladay, and Oswalt? Probably, yeah.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Unless I’m forgetting someone terribly obvious what position players were those? They gave up Drabek and Happ. They kept Dominic Brown.

                (Probably not really the point)

            • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

              true but they didn’t have a lineup like we could:
              gardner
              jeter
              tex
              arod
              cano
              werth
              posada/DH
              ?
              ?

              • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                The Phillies could compare and their rotation does not guarantee them anything.

                • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

                  oswalt and hamels are highly overrated and wouldn’t compare to CC/lee/felix in any rotation IMO

                  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                    I think Hamels is highly underrated.

                    • Kit

                      Agreed.

                  • FIPster Doofus

                    Oswalt and Hamels are pretty damn good.

                  • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                    What’s the difference during a playoff game? A run or two between Oswalt and Lee?

                    • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

                      that’s all it takes sometimes though. that 2-0 lead he had against andy felt like 10 runs…. then it turned into 10 runs unfortunately

              • Stratman9652

                I find it almost hilarious that your dream lineup includes two question marks.

                • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

                  yeah it’s kind of like the miami heat

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            you can almost guarantee winning every playoff series.

            If you get there. Oh, and you still need to score runs to win games.

    • anon

      I think we can count on Cashman never doing business with Seattle again. Or at least until Zduriencik is gone.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

        Yeah that.

    • yankees1717

      HAHAHAHAHHAA
      so you want to make the dumbest trade in mlb history, and say the 3rd of and 5th starter don’t matter. okay brilliant. if we offered montero hughes joba that would probably get it done, and i don’t want to even do that. yeah so let’s take an already future-killing trade that ruins depth at C and SP, and then let’s throw in two starting outfielders. yay stupid trades.

      and the worst part is that you still think the trade is good after all these arguments have been made

      • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

        No that’s not nearly enough. Seattle wanted Smoak instead so we can see where they value Montero. Hughes is a couple months older and a little downgrade in SP and Joba is either a middle reliever or a project at SP.

        • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

          you really consider hughes a little downgrade? I don’t see his ceiling as being that high… a decent #2, but not elite

      • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

        >>yeah so let’s take an already future-killing trade that ruins depth at C and SP, and then let’s throw in two starting outfielders. yay stupid trades.

        except we’re receiving the best SP in baseball in return, and giving up a C (maybe) PROSPECT. decent LF’ers are a dime a dozen. young pitchers like felix are impossible to obtain

  • dkla

    only in san francisco would they play the theme from “8 1/2″ to imply clownishness by an opponent

    • Hall and Nokes

      And all Anchor Steam bottles in the first row.

      • JerseyDutch

        I guess they couldn’t get a hold of any beer.

  • Erica

    Seriously, I need to get me to a game in San Fran.

    • dkla

      they should have tom waits do the p.a.

      • Erica

        YYYYESSSSSSS

        It was just so perfect that Grateful Dead members sang the National Anthem.

        • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

          Sweet Erica!!!
          I’m here with nothing left to do but Smile Smile Smile :)

  • ZZ

    Mike,

    I’m just reading your chat now. You said Cano is probably a top 10, not top 5 player.

    Who is in your top 5 that Cano is not in there? I’ll open this question up to everyone else as well to weigh in.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Didn’t read the chat. Is this in all of baseball?

      • ZZ

        Yes

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Got it.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Hamilton
      Mauer
      Pujols
      Tulo
      Votto

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        I’d throw Hanley in there too.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          Yup. Maybe Miggy though his glove is meh.

        • ZZ

          Hanley is an awful SS.

          He is going to need to get moved off the position.

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            I’d still take him over Cano.

            • ZZ

              Why?

              Cano is better offensively and blows him away defensively.

              • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                Cano is better offensively? Really? He had a better 2010 offensively, but he’s not better. Hanley’s 2007, 2008, 2009 >>>>Cano’s 2010.

                • ZZ

                  That’s true. I am not just going to dismiss his 2010 though.

                  It’s very close offensively so it would be just a slight edge either way in my opinion, but Cano is just so much better defensively.

                  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                    Hanley’s 2010, a down year, was better than Cano’s career. Hanley and Cano aren’t close offensively. Cano at 27 just had a monster season that wasn’t as good as Hanley’s three seasons at 23, 24 and 25. They are not close offensively.

                    • ZZ

                      I’m am making these statements, because I don’t think Hanley is going to bounce back to 2007-2009 levels. I think we are going to see more of 2010 than those type of numbers.

                    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                      So Hanley at 26 is going to decline and Cano at 27 is going to continue to improve? What leads you to believe that> Hanley has 3 great years in his first 5 but he won’t repeat that again. Cano’s best year in his first 6 years doesn’t measure up to Hanley’s 3 best years, but he’ll improve. Is this your intuition?

                      When looking at their careers so far, 2010 is the outlier for both players.

                    • ZZ

                      It’s intuition/hunch as I’ve watched Hanley throughout his career and his attitude toward the game.

                      Nothing statistically or concrete.

                    • ZZ

                      I do admit it defies general baseball logic, but not every player improves as he gets into the typical prime years.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

            The Captain wasn’t exactly Omar Vizquel throughout his career.

            • ZZ

              Jeter had some great years at SS.

              Hell, at 36 Jeter is a better SS than Hanley.

              • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

                Heh the stats actually support that. However with nearly every other shortstop being really bad I’m sure they could live with a bad defense.

                But yeah Cano may have a slight edge there.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Jeter’s been a pretty awful defensive SS his entire career as far as range is concerned. I think the Yankees have been okay with that, though.

            • Erica

              Jeter is perfect and golden and godly and wonderful WUT R U SAYEN :(

              /irrational’d

            • ZZ

              I have to disagree with this. I always thought Jeter had plus range in his early years. Not elite, but plus.

      • ZZ

        That’s my 5 in no particular order but Cano is definitely in there over Mauer on my list.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          Hmm interesting. Any reason? Mauer has okay power with a .141 ISO but gets on base a lot with a .400 OBP.

          It’s close but I’d take Mauer for him with a positional advantage.

          • ZZ

            I can’t put a guy with as few HR as Mauer hits in my top 5. He is a great player. One of the best in the game. But, he is not a game changer.

            Too much of a pass the baton instead of a pick up the baton for me to be a top 5.

            He also looked pretty bad vs lefties this year and I am not sure if it was just a fluke year for him.

            • ZZ

              I should say he looked pretty bad vs lefties in a relative nature not overall.

            • Chris

              I just noticed that tomorrow is Cano’s birthday. Let’s hope the Rangers get him something nice. Like a few BP fastballs.

    • First Time Poster

      No Order:

      Mauer
      Tulo
      Pujols
      Casey Kelly (SP)
      Casey Kelly (SS)

  • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

    Love the Widespread Panic riff on Fox going to the commercial…Ain’t Life Grand!

  • dkla

    arod
    pujols
    cabrera
    hanley
    a-gon?

    • dkla

      forgot about longoria

      • dkla

        and mauer, duh

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Gotta put Cano over A-Rod now with the hip thing and age.

      • dkla

        is this top 5 if you’re starting a franchise or top 5 talent as of this year?

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          I’m assuming this year. We’re arguing about Cano being top 5 so it kinda has to be it.

  • Andy

    How would rain effect the rotations?

    I assume Texas is going to stay on rotation no matter, since they want Lee for game 7.

    If tomorrow night gets rained out, do they pitch Andy on Saturday and CC on Sunday? If they win tomorrow and Saturday gets rained out, do they pitch Andy or CC on short rest on Sunday? I would vote for Andy over CC on short rest.

    • first time lawng time

      Rains in the forecast? If so, pitch Andy on Sat. If tomorrow is rained out.

      • Kit

        If the Yankees win Game 6, they need someone who can possibly out pitch Cliff Lee. Not saying that Phil can’t do it, but in a possible series clincher, you don’t take that chance. Phil with CC in the pen should be good to go if there’s rain. He’ll get an extra day of rest, which shouldn’t kill either of them.

        • first time lawng time

          What about if fri rains out and they play sat and sun how about Andy Saturday with CC Sunday? Hughed in pen both nights maybe?

      • Andy

        Yeah rain is in the forecast tomorrow and Saturday

  • Erica

    ALL BOW DOWN TO TIM LINCECUM.

  • First Time Poster

    Damn. Lucky liner.

  • dkla

    i f-ing love san francisco

  • http://dontbringinthelefty.blogspot.com Lucas AA, aka don’t_bring_in_the_lefty

    Hahaha did Lincecum seriously just look at Rollins and shout “YOU STAY THERE”?!

    • dkla

      he did

      awesome

      • ShuutoHeat (Don’t Trade GGBG Pl0x)

        LOL awesome indeed.

    • Carlosologist

      Amazing.

    • Kit

      Seriously, the fact that Fox is robbing me of the chance to see these games is annoying as hell. I would love to see Rollins be yelled at.

    • first time lawng time

      What happened? I wasn’t watching.

  • FIPster Doofus

    “I like your hat.”

    /Peter Griffin’d

  • first time lawng time

    What is the singer wearing?

    Good lord, I hope she has a valid reason for stepping out of the house wearing something like that.

  • first time lawng time

    Question: if the Yankees sign Lee this off season, what does our rotation look like if Pettitte retires? And if he doesn’t retire?

    Also, did you guys see the game on TV yesterday and see a guy holding a sign that said “A Sign of Life”? I know this is random, I just thought it was pretty funny and give the props for wittness. Just an observation I thought I’d share.

    • JerseyDutch

      1. CC
      2. Lee
      3. Hughes
      4. Pettitte
      5. Burnett

      1. CC
      2. Lee
      3. Hughes
      4. Burnett
      5. Nova

      • anon

        Out of spring training Andy would probably be the #5 starter to reduce his innings

        • JerseyDutch

          Either way works, I think. Same for the 1 and 2 spots. Not a hair’s difference starting Lee in the 1 spot.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I’d go with Sabathia-Lee-Hughes-Burnett-Chamberlain.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Oh, and Sabathia-Lee-Pettitte-Hughes-Burnett if Andy stays.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Tough to say now since the trade market is still developing and the FA market seems unattractive.

      W/ Pettitte:
      CC
      Pettitte
      Hughes
      Hiroki Kuroda
      Joba/Nova/Noesi?

      Perhaps Justin Duchscherer as an option?

      Without:
      CC
      Hughes
      Hiroki Kuroda
      Joba
      Justin Duchscherer

      So yeah Pettitte needs to come back.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

        Wow I misread as don’t sign Lee. Forget all this.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          Heh and I completely forgot AJ Burnett existed.

          • FIPster Doofus

            Nobody can blame you for that.

          • vin

            I thought we’re all trying to forget Javy exists?

        • Stratman9652

          Not to mention how the hell did you get rid of Burnett and his contract? I dont know much about Kuroda and Duchscherer, are they worth enough to negate enough of AJ’s contract?

          • Stratman9652

            Ah refreshed to late nevermind.

          • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

            No it’s me being stupid and forggeting he was on this team.

    • vin

      CC
      Lee
      Hughes
      Andy
      AJ

      CC
      Lee
      Grienke
      Hughes
      AJ

      • first time lawng time

        No way the Yanks get Greinke. How would they?
        I don’t even want Greinke TBH.

        • vin

          I think if Pettitte retires, or if they whiff on Lee, they try to get a Grienke-type pitcher. They absolutely have the pieces to get it done. I’m certainly not an expert on his psychological problems, but if he’s comfortable playing in NY (and he hasn’t said otherwise) then I think he can do it. He’s got the ability.

          Maybe they don’t end up with Grienke himself, but I can see them acquiring a guy of his ability if they don’t get Andy or Lee for next year.

          FWIW, I’m 98% certain Andy returns. Guys who are still on top of their game, and can make 12+ milliion dollars do NOT just walk away. Especially considering the fact that Andy is considered to be one of the most competitive guys on the team. I really can’t see him walking away easily.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          Why not? SAD ‘issues’ aside which I don’t think will be a huge difference from another city but regardless he’s a damn good pitcher. One of the best.

          And the Yanks could do a better Lee deal for him. Jesus + Betances/Banuelos + Nunez and Jose Ramirez?

          • first time lawng time

            I wasn’t really aware the he had issues. Acutally, the reason I don’t really want is one you guys are gona make fun of me for. But the truth is that I think it would be alittle overkill for them to sign another ace. Yeah they have the money and it’s not against the rules, but I think it would be overkill and unnecessary. Kinda unfair, I guess. IDK.

            If they sign Lee, don’t sign Greinke, if they don;t sign Lee, sign Greinke or something like that.

            • vin

              That’s why having players like Gardner, Granderson, Swisher, a cheap bench and bullpen are so important. Every dollar you save on guys with favorable contracts can be spent on improving the team in other areas.

            • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

              No I understand. I sorta feel that way about Lee but I won’t lose sleep if he’s in pinstripes.

    • Reggie C.

      With Pettitte back in the fold:
      CC, Lee, Burnett, Hughes, Pettitte

      Without Pettitte back …:
      CC, Lee, Hughes, Burnett, Nova/Phelps/Joba

      - Its easier to list internal options rather than list FA/trade options. Highly improbable Cashman would pursue a type A FA pitcher not named Cliff Lee. Cliff Lee really does represent that significant an upgrade to the rotation.

  • Reggie C.

    Can I get a couple answers to this FF question: Who do I start this week 7: Eli or Ben?

    • first time lawng time

      Both.

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Cowboys D or Miami? I’ll be the minority but I say Eli.

      • Reggie C.

        I’m leaning BEN ROETHLESBURGER bc Eli has really been an inconsistent starter. Eli faced a weak-ass Detroit team and couldnt manage 200 yards. That was a shocker.

    • vin

      The one with fewer rape allegations.

  • Chris

    I just noticed that tomorrow is Cano’s birthday. Let’s hope the Rangers get him something nice. Like a few BP fastballs.

  • swisher’s fauxhawk

    Nice hops.

  • Hall and Nokes

    I’m glad the short version of the XXL chalupa commercial still features the ass-slap.

  • Carlosologist

    Romo’s slider has some crazy ass break.

  • marc

    Nice catch by utley

  • first time lawng time

    5 least favorite Yankees that ever played for them this year in no particular order:
    1. Chan Ho Park
    2. Randy Winn (lol)
    3. Cervelli
    4. Mitre
    5. Kearns

    Agree/disagree?

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      1. Cervelli
      2. Cervelli
      3. Mitre
      4. Cervelli
      5. Winn

      • vin

        You forgot Cervelli.

        • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

          My bad.

          1. Cervelli
          2. Cervelli
          3. Cervelli
          4. Cervelli
          5. Mitre

    • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

      NJ/javy over kearns

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        I really liked Nick Johnson. I wish he had stayed healthy. Had he stayed healthy he would have eclipsed 100 walks no problem.

        Johnson would have been perfect for the #2 hole………

        • FIPster Doofus

          “Johnson would have been perfect for the #2 hole………”

          http://www.reviewon.com/images/MichaelScott.jpg

          • Kiko Jones

            Will you root for the Rangers over the Phillies in the WS if that scenario comes to pass?

        • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

          That being said his, isoD was .221. Obviously not sustainable over the course of a season, but putting up a .388 OBP while batting .167 is pretty darn impressive.

        • vin

          The Nick Johnson signing was genius. It really is unfortunate that he got injured. People forget how good this offense was in April.

    • FIPster Doofus

      1. Gaudin
      2. Park
      3. Cervelli
      4. Mitre
      5. Russo

    • Erica

      Aw come on, Cervelli has Teh_Energiez.

      1. Mitre
      2. Gaudin
      3. Gaudin
      4. Gaudin
      5. Gaudin

    • Kit

      Disagree. Gaudin is not on this list.

      • first time lawng time

        I hate Gaudin but everytime he pitches he looks so happy and he’s so bad that it makes me laugh.

        I also laugh even more when I see him after reading this comment:
        http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1118498

  • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

    gameplan: hughes wins friday, andy wins saturday, yankees go to WS, andy goes to HOF

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Andy won’t retire. If they get Lee he’ll be enticed to come back especially if they lose in the ALCS.

      He liked Teix, CC, AJ and Swisher which probably was a factor in him signing an incentive laden deal.

    • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

      i’m in

  • candyforstalin

    is hiroki kuroda a type a or b?

    • http://twitter.com/#!/iiKeane JobaWockeeZ

      Neither. Or MLBTR has an error.

    • FIPster Doofus

      B

  • Erica

    C’mon, Buster “Old Soul” Posey!

    • Esteban

      Or as Joe Buck would say. the Benjamin Button of baseball players.

      • Erica

        HAHHAHA!!

  • Erica

    UGH I just want the Giants to win this, you know?

  • Carlosologist

    Damn, what a weak showing by the Giants. I guess that’s what happens when you have to take on The Roy Halladay, ace of aces, king of kings, etc.

    • vin

      Calm down, its not like he’s Cliff Lee. Yeah he threw a no-hitter against the best offense in the league, but that was what… 2 weeks ago?! What have you done for me lately, “Doc”?

  • FIPster Doofus

    Jayson Werth went happy-go-jacky on that pitch like a donkey eating a waffle.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    Things I don’t understand:

    Hatred of Nick Johnson.
    Hatred of Girardi’s binder.
    Hatred of Lance Berkman

    • first time lawng time

      Nick Johnson: Replaced Hideki Matsui, who had always been great as a Yankee, and played 1.5 months-ish.
      Girardi’s Binder: 2009 ALCS Game 4 is an example.

      That’s my opinion at least.

      Lance Berkman: I don’t hate him. But I think people do after his attrocious start.

      • Kit

        Still don’t understand the Nick Johnson hatred. I love Matsui, always have and always will, but baseball is a business. Hating the player who replaced him when he had nothing to do with the previous player is childish. Nick got hurt, plain and simple, he didn’t do it intentionally, he’s just always been fragile. It’s no reason to dislike him though. It’d make more sense to dislike him because he wasn’t producing at the plate (and even then, dude got a ton of walks).

        • first time lawng time

          I agree it would make more sense to blame Cashman than Johnson, because it’s not Johnson’s fault Hideki left, but it’s just kinda human nature to be quick to blame people.

          It’s irrational, but whatever.

          • Kit

            It is irrational. Hating Cashman is also irrational since Matsui is probably vacationing back in Japan and losing no sleep over any of this.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I’ve noticed so much snark for Girardi’s binder that it is absurd. God forbid a manager tries to take every possible advantage for his team that he can.

      I guess I understand the hate for NJ because he gets hurt and ZOMG wasn’t even hitting .200 ZOMG.

      • first time lawng time

        Johnson’s shining moment this year:
        Game winning RBI against Boston…bases loaded walk.

    • vin

      I’d add:

      Hatred of Jorge Posada

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Yep. I’ll say this is worse than hatred of Berkman, Posada, or Girardi’s mythical binder.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          and by Posada I mean Johnson derp herp

    • FIPster Doofus

      I think the Johnson hatred stems from three things:

      1. The Yankees let Damon and Matsui go and signed him.

      2. There are still a lot of people who put all their eggs in batting average’s basket while ignoring OBP. For instance, if Johnson came to the Yankees with a .330/.360 career line, many more fans have been receptive to the acquisition; instead, it’s an even better .270/.401 line, but the ignorance of OBP has turned people against him.

      3. Injury-proneness. And, unlike the prior two, this reason is actually valid.

      • FIPster Doofus

        *would have been receptive

      • first time lawng time

        2. While having patience is a good thing, I’d rather have a guy that hits for average really well than a guy who walks really well (f that makes sense). Seems more valuable.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Getting on base 40 percent of the time is better than doing it 36 percent of the time. The Yankees signed Johnson to hit second and get on base by whatever means necessary for the Teixeira/A-Rod/Cano troika. Pre-injury, he was doing the job despite a low batting average.

          • first time lawng time

            But my point is that I’d rather have a .360 hitter than a .460 OBP. This is because I feel a better hitter is more valuable than better walker.

            Suppose you’ve got a runner on 3rd 1 out. Do you want him to get a hit or draw a walk? Either way he keeps the inning alive but the results are different. I know this logic may seem flawed, but my point is that the .360 guy is liklier to get a hit and the .460 guy is liklier to draw a walk.

            • FIPster Doofus

              “Suppose you’ve got a runner on 3rd 1 out. Do you want him to get a hit or draw a walk?”

              Any type of positive production would work. If the guy walks, you have two men on with one out. That’s great. If he gets a hit, you score and still have a man on, which is also excellent.

              • first time lawng time

                Thats true, but the walk increases your chances of not scoring the runner on third, because you’ve got the ability to GIDP.

                Kinda unrelated to Nick Johnson, but when we’ve got someone on third with 1 out and gardy draws a walk for Jeter, I kinda cringe because I just feel a double play coming. I guess that’s where my logic is coming from.

                • FIPster Doofus

                  Jeter’s a GIDP machine, so I can’t blame you there.

                  However, back to Johnson. Say he walks to put men on the corners. With two men on, one out and the 3-4-5 hitters looming (Teix/A-Rod/Cano), the odds of scoring at least one run would be awfully high.

                  In short, Johnson came in to set the table as the No. 2 hitter; the guys following him eat the food (knock in the runs).

                  • first time lawng time

                    Yeah. I agree with that.

                    Ignoring Nick Johnson now,and who else is in that lineup, I would rather have a guy with a crazy avg than a guy with a crazy obp. Both are valuable, but that’s just my opinion.

            • vin
            • Kit

              Not necessarily. Let’s say he did draw a walk and whoever was behind him hit a home run. Instead of a 2-run HR, it would be a three run home run. Or if the hitters behind him even hit a double or a single, you still have runners on base and a possibility of “big innings.” My explanation probably doesn’t make sense because I’m hoped up on some pain meds, but my point is don’t discount the guys who walk just because they don’t hit .360. They’re just as valuable.

              • first time lawng time

                They’re valuable in their different ways.

                But I disagree with that first part. Suppose the avg guy gets a hit. He hits and drives in a run, score is 1-0. Guy after him hits a homerun and it’s 3-0. Now suppose the obp guy draws a walk. Runners on first and second. Next guy hits a homer, and score is 3-0. In this situation they both yield the same results. I’m just saying that there are more possibilities or a better result to come from the guy getting the hit than the guy drawing the walk. (because there are more oppurtunities to fail, etc)

        • Kit

          When you’re batting second in a line up, walks are also valuable. The point is to get on base for the heavy hitters behind you.

          • first time lawng time

            I know they are both valuable, but in my opinion a better avg is more valuable.

            • Kit

              And you’d be wrong. A solid batting average is awesome, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. Even the great Josh Hamilton can’t deliver sometimes.

              • Kit

                Actually I shouldn’t say you’d be wrong, but walks are just as good. The Yankees philosophy is to work counts, draw walks or get hits while simultaneously tiring out pitchers. It’s just as important as delivering because you get to keep the inning going, create possibility of disturbing the pitcher, throwing off the defense if you’ve got speed, etc. You have to essentially pass the baton in the hopes that the people behind you can keep the inning going and deliver the hits. It shouldn’t rest on one player’s shoulders.

                • first time lawng time

                  Alright I agree with you on this.

              • first time lawng time

                A walk doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll deliver though.

                I mean who would you rather have up at the plate:
                Robinson Cano and his acg or Nick Johnson and is OBP?

                • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                  If the power is equal I’d take Nick Johnson and his OBP.

                • Kit

                  A walk is delivering. You’re on base, which is essentially, a way to score runs if there are hits/walks that go your way.

                • FIPster Doofus

                  Believe it or not, if you’re to measure the careers of Cano and Johnson, the latter has been the more productive hitter.

                  Obviously Cano was MVP-like this past regular season. Why? Because he finally had his cake and ate it, too, meaning he hit for average and developed patience (8.2% BB rate, by far a career high). That helped beget career highs in OBP (.381), wRC+ (145) and wOBA (.389).

                  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                    And (offensively) Johnson’s 2006>>>Cano’s 2010.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          The dude with a .400 OBP is making many fewer outs than the dude with a .360 OBP. Not making outs is a really, really valuable skill to have in baseball.

          • first time lawng time

            But the guy with the higher avg is likelier to drive in runs vs the guy who walks.

            I see what you’re saying and while it is valuable, I’d rather have a guy with a great avg than a guy with a great OBP.

            • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

              Who is the guy with the higher average driving in?

              The guys who get on base. In baseball, with no clock, the best thing you can do at the plate is not make an out. A .320/360/.500 line in general will create less runs than a .270/.400/.500 line.

        • candyforstalin

          if the slg is the same, you’d be wrong.

        • vin

          A hit is definitely more valuable than a walk, but its not like Nick is a slouch with the bat (his 72 ab’s this year notwithstanding). He’s a career .270 hitter, but his career wOBA is .370. That’s a very respectable number (on par with the 2010 performances of Tex, Hanley, Mauer, Butler, Ethier, Utley).

    • bonestock94

      Hate is strong, I resent Johnson’s epic failure though. Loved the signing, I guess I was kidding myself thinking he’d stay healthy.

    • Stratman9652

      Im sorry for disagreeing with the general public but I dont get the Cervelli hate.

      So the kid doesn’t have a power bat and his defense turned out to be average at best. If it wasn’t for Jorge getting hurt causing all the extra playing time, he would have been purely a backup catcher and this would have been fairly acceptable. He’s a young catcher who didnt get much of a chance to develope in the minors. His true value is in the fact that his being here gave Montero plenty of time to develope and kept Posada healthy enough to play as much as he has this postseason.
      That being said I have to agree its frustrating as hell seeing him come to the plate in a big situation and make the final out as often as he does.

      • bonestock94

        Minus a couple of streaks he contributes nothing offensively, and on top of it he sucks behind the plate. I’d rather have one of the good defensive journeymen catchers floating around any given offseason.

      • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

        I think the Cervelli bashing in general comes from the overabundance of Cervelli love. When people (many people) suggest that Cervelli is better than Posada it makes my blood boil and I take it out on Frankie. I do wish he was better defensively as a backup but his bat is acceptable (again as a backup).

        • Stratman9652

          I really reaaallyyy don’t get why anyone would hate Posada. Despite his shortcomings behind the plate he can make up for it all in one swing of the bat. Or two if you remember the grand slams in back to back games earlier this year.

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            I don’t get the Posada hate either and it’s growing.

          • FIPster Doofus

            Jorge has always been the least appreciated member of the core four; he will be missed dearly.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          This is 100% how I feel.

    • bonestock94

      Oh and how could anyone hate having Berkman on the team? Maybe I’m living in 2002 but I freaking love the guy and expect massive homers when he’s up.

      • Stratman9652

        I gotta say I was dissapointed in him at first but God damn am I glad he proved me wrong and is getting a shot to show what he’s got. Not to mention what a class act guy he is. I’ll be a fan for life.

  • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

    Giants in 7

  • Carlosologist

    My God, Werth hit that out like it was nothing.

  • anon

    F-it lets sign Werth for the bench.

    • Carlosologist

      (thinks)

      No.

    • first time lawng time

      He’s too ugly to be a Yankee.

      • anon

        We do seem to have a good thing going there..

    • Rey22

      He can be the ROOGY in the pen.

  • candyforstalin

    the yankees-phillies series starts when, exactly?

  • mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ)

    kung fu panda kind of reminds me of a shorter fatter version of cano at the plate

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    So I just found out that the original Law and Order has been cancelled after 20 seasons. That’s a darn shame. Although I probably was the only one watching the shows any more.

    • Erica

      Bum-bummmmm (that’s the sound from the show).

      Nothing, not even SVU, will be as good as the original L&O.

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        I agree. Jack McCoy is my homeboy.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    Wow has any show been cancelled faster than “Lone Star”? It was cancelled after it’s second(!) episode.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      that one show that had Hugh Jackman and involved Las Vegas and singing? I think that got cancelled after ONE episode

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        Nope, I think we’re talking about something else.

        This was about a Texan con-man, who leads a secret double life.

        Yeah………

        And what’s with all these shows with the primary setting in Texas?

        Ok I mean it’s really only this show and Chase, but still. Random. Side note: I dig chicks with southern accents.

        • FIPster Doofus

          If you think that’s bad, a film about Cliff Lee’s incomparable career as a Texas Ranger has already been made. “Hanging from a Cliff: A Dream Realized,” starring Jon Hamm as Cliff Lee and Samuel L. Jackson as Ron Washington. In theaters 1/1/11.

    • candyforstalin

      it was, by far, the best new series this fall. oh network television.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    Did anyone here watch the show “FlashForward”?

    • Erica

      Yes! And I have to say, I did like it… and then… I got sick of it. I was the same way with “Lost” – watched the first few seasons, got frustrated over the frequent breaks between episodes and just parted ways with it.

      I guess you watched “FF” – what did you think of it?

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        I really enjoyed the show, and really wished they would continue it. But they really screwed themselves by having a 3 month break in the middle of the season. Part of the first season aired Sept-Dec and then BOOM no more episodes till mid March. This is America, people, we don’t have long attention spans. It shouldn’t surprise them that they lost so many viewers.

        Also a really good show: The Event

        • Erica

          Exactly! Normal seasons don’t progress in that manner. They just kind of keep on going and really take breaks around the holidays.

          Is “The Event” worth it? I saw a commercial and it just seemed like EVERY other show of that genre.

          • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

            It’s tough to follow at first, because there are a lot of flashbacks. I like it, but I also like zombie movies (not related to this show) and crazy shows like this. Although I never liked Lost.

  • Double G

    Post game for the Phillies says that Doc pitched with a groin pull after the 2nd inning.