Open Thread: Phillies trying to stay alive


This is neither the time nor the place for a nap, Cody. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)

The Yankees and Phillies will always have something in common after meeting in the 2009 World Series, at least until this current crop of players moves on and some new blood trickles in. This year, both clubs were saddled with three games to one deficits in the League Division Series, and the Phightin’s will attempt to dig out of that hole tonight like the Yanks started to do yesterday.

Don’t get me wrong, by no means am I rooting for the Phillies. They could all go to hell for all I care. I just want to see some exciting baseball, preferably as much as possible. If the NLCS went seven games, I wouldn’t mind one bit. Roy Halladay gets the ball with the season on the line against Tim Lincecum, with the first pitch scheduled for just before 8pm ET on FOX. If you don’t want to talk about the game, that’s cool, chat about whatever you want instead. ‘Tis an open thread.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. YankeesJunkie says:



  2. Well, you can tell by the way I use my walk,
    I’m a woman’s man, no time to talk.

  3. vin says:

    I honestly can’t see Doc losing twice to the Giants and their lackluster offense. But that’s just me.

    • Tony Micelli says:

      Agreed, kind of like Curt Schilling and Pedro Martinez both losing twice against the Yankees in the 2004 series with the Yankees ace being a mediocre (at the time) Mike Mussina and their #2 guy being an even more mediocre Jon Leiber.

      • vin says:

        Which is why I was so distraught when they lost game 4. None of my friends understood the comeback potential of that damn team. Especially considering the Yanks were on borrowed time in that series.

    • Hughesus Christo says:

      He’s pitching against Tim Lincecum.

  4. Big Stein says:

    how come nobody ever second guesses Charlie Manuel?

    the phills were heavy, heavy favorites not only to win the pennant, but to win it all because of Halladay, their lineup, and Oswalt.

    Yet, charlie doesn’t get any flak.

  5. CBean says:

    Spent the last two days in Dallas. I was just relieved we won yesterday so I didn’t have to do deal with any untoward celebrations over there.

  6. esteban says:

    What’s everybody’s favorite TV show currently on TV? Premium channel or network TV
    I still like Dexter but I’m unsure of the new season.

  7. Carcillo says:

    They could all go to hell for all I care.

    All of this. I want Philadelphians crying while eating their cheesesteaks tomorrow. This year more than either of the past two years, those assholes were certain that they were going to win it all. One more loss and they won’t even be back in the World Series at all.

    FINISH ‘EM, Giants.

    • Jorge says:

      Agreed. It also helps that I’ve never had a ballpark experience outside of Yankee Stadium that I’ve enjoyed more thatn AT&T Park. It’s everything Shitifield wishes it was.

    • Kiko Jones says:

      Much to the chagrin of my Met-fan friends, I like the Phillies. (Most of ‘em hate the Phillies so much they actually rooted for the Yankees—!!!—in last year’s WS.) Yes, I’ve heard all the stories about their fanbase but I genuinely like that team, regardless. (Don’t feel like falling into the same trap as irrational Yankee haters.) And since I’m a big Lincecum fan, I’ve been following and rooting for the Giants this season, as well. So, if the Yankees don’t make it to the WS I’m rooting for whoever reaches from the NL.

      So, I’m gonna ask you guys this: will you root for the Rangers if it’s them and the Phillies? Or will the WS not exist for you this year, if that turns out to be the matchup? (I’m generally an AL guy but I’m not rooting for the Rangers no matter what.)

      What say you?

  8. First Time Poster says:

    I am looking for more online baseball reading, these are the sights I visit on a regular basis– ascending in order of most frequently visited.


    I dabble through links and such, but that is the most of it. I will hit up BR from time-to-time as well.

    Any suggestions?

  9. Tony Micelli says:

    With DeSean Jackson out, I need 2 out of these 3 this week – Michael Crabtree (SF@CAR), Mike Williams (TB v. StL), and Mike Wallace (PIT@MIA)

    None of which are anything special but I need 2 out of the 3. Who should stay and who should go?

  10. JM says:

    I want the Yankees to win the next two games SO bad, however unlikely. Do I think they can? Yes. But the Rangers can also not lose two in a row. I want them to win so badly but I just don’t like the chances.

  11. First Time Poster says:


    Poor Melk-Man. Hopefully he finds his way.

    • vin says:

      He’ll probably find his way to Kansas City.

      • As may a few other Yanks if Buster Onley is right.


        He says the Yanks and Royals match up well in terms of making a deal. I’m not sure Cashman will go for Grienke after this year’s Vazquez fiasco. We all dismissed the ‘can’t pitch in NY’ stuff and . . well, he was awful here. If it turns out he’s done, then maybe the NY stuff was nonsense. But we won;t know that for a few years, and I’ve heard Cash recently interviewed saying he was wrong about Javy.

        In any case, The Royals are well aware of the fact that they’re a few years off, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they dangled Soria as well, despite the team friendly contract. If they can fill multiple needs for when they’re ready to compete in a few years, it makes sense.

        • kunaldo says:

          wait, how was it he couldnt handle NY? i mean, maybe i’m just stubborn, but isnt it a LOT more that he just had really diminished stuff?

    • Hughesus Christo says:

      I broke this news weeks ago. I can’t imagine why anyone would sign him. Long Island Ducks, here he comes

  12. I thought James Harrison was a neanderthal thug for saying:

    I don’t want to see anyone injured, but I’m not opposed to hurting anyone. There’s a difference. When you’re injured, you can’t play. But when you’re hurt, you can shake it off and come back. I try to hurt people.

    But then Channing Crowder topped him by saying:

    If I get a chance to knock somebody out, I’m going to knock them out and take what they give me. They give me a helmet, I’m going to use it.

    If I’m knocked out, I don’t know where I’m at, I can’t say my name, now I can’t play football, if I get hit in the head and black out for a second and now I get back up dizzy, OK, I’m ready to go.

    [The NFL] is making a big deal about nothing.

    If they’re going to keep making us go more and more and more like a feminine sport, we’re going to wear pink every game, not just on the breast cancer months.


    Ron Dibble, you’ve been bested. Real men get and give traumatic and repeated brain injuries because we’re not pussies who wear pink, damnit, and I’m going to keep ruining my brain and other people’s brains because doing anything otherwise would be girly. Suck on that, Roger Goodell.

  13. Jose the Satirist says:

    So what RAB reader is also a redditor? I saw a post over there that used a picture from an RAB post and was wondering if they were a frequent poster here.

  14. Jerome S says:

    Gardner has struck out seven times with only two walks this postseason.

    I hate to say it, but he has become overwhelmingly predictable at the plate lately. If he wants to stick around, he needs to hit a few balls into the OF.

    • Tony Micelli says:

      It was only a matter of time before he came back down to earth. Melky too I guess.

      : /

    • Big Bertha says:

      Gardner’s been just fine. He’s a gritty player who brings a lot of speed and energy to the ballclub. It was his head first slide into 1st that ignited our rally in Game 1. We could use more hustlers like Gardy when we retool for next season. As the Rangers have shown, hitting HRs is not the way to go. The Rangers play the game the way it was meant to be played.

    • vin says:

      Wonder if his wrist is bothering him. Also, it wouldn’t hurt him to swing at the occasional first pitch fastball though. It’s hard to succeed against good pitching when you’re constantly behind in the count.

  15. It'sATarp says:

    i’m hoping Lincecum will go 9 innings 12k’s for the win

  16. CHP says:

    Guys I am looking for a new cell phone carrier. Anyone uses Virgin mobile? How is it?

  17. First Time Poster says:


    Alaska has a total of 36 votes. Heh!

  18. Dream of Electric Sheep/ still haven't register /too lazy says:

    It’s Thursday Fever by McCovey Cove tonight! Master Jointsmith Tim blaze shall annihilate Doc Halladay and Co. as the sun will set eternal on Phil’s pseudo dynasty.

    All Guns and Kung Fu are on deck for this grand ole finale.

  19. First Time Poster says:

    What if the Yanks pick up Melky and kidnap IPK. Then, trade them and a couple AA arms to the Phillies for Doc. Swap Doc for Lee straight up with maybe some prospects. Then game 7 will never have to happen after the Yanks win game 6.

  20. JerseyDutch says:

    Let’s see if Tiny Tim can pull this one off.

  21. First Time Poster says:

    What happened to Pablo? He has turned from a Kung-Fu panda into a sad panda… and that makes me a sad panda…

  22. First Time Poster says:

    Who would win in an arm wrestle, Thome or Thomas? I’d asked it in today’s chat, but unfortunately it was never queued.

  23. ShuutoHeat says:

    Howard doesn’t have a single RBI this post season… LOL

  24. JerseyDutch says:

    McCarver is already raving like a mad man…

  25. Hughesus Christo says:

    Now they’re playing MGMT. Stop being so awesome, SF.

  26. ShuutoHeat (Don't Trade GGBG Pl0x) says:

    Sit your ass down Victorino!

  27. Carcillo says:

    Maybe I haven’t seen enough Chase Utley over the years, or haven’t noticed it, but damn…

    do all his swings look like half-swings? I know it’s a short swing, but that short?

  28. JerseyDutch says:

    I know I should be used to it, but it still makes me do a double take when they announce the pitcher in the batting line up.

  29. Brooklyn Ed says:

    The most awesome SF Giants tribute I ever seen:

  30. JerseyDutch says:

    The God of Pitching walked the lead-off batter???

  31. Carcillo says:

    A walk and a hit allowed by the Doc.

    Cash in right now.

  32. ShuutoHeat says:

    Halladay is invincible during Doctober!!!

  33. Carlosologist says:

    Halladay does not look sharp. At all.

  34. ShuutoHeat says:

    That outside corner of the strike zone is dead, stop trying.

  35. Hughesus Christo says:

    We ever explain how Ryan Howard became a good defender?

  36. Carcillo says:

    Man, more poor Philly fielding.

  37. ShuutoHeat says:

    The best 2B in NL!!!

  38. JerseyDutch says:

    Score early and often, Giants.

  39. Stratman9652 says:

    And that is why walks are not your friend. Glad CC knows this.

  40. Hughesus Christo says:

    Roy looks a little… unnerved.

  41. Stratman9652 says:

    Doc is scary pissed off right now.

  42. bexarama says:

    So uh stating the obvious here but Halladay is pissed

  43. ShuutoHeat says:

    Big Time Timmy JIM!!!

  44. JerseyDutch says:

    That Lincecum can pitch a little.

  45. first time lawng time says:

    So I’m watching Lincecum pitch for the first time (and by that I mean I’m actually paying attention for the first time) and I must say that his delivery is ridiculous. I mean as he brings his arm back in the wind up it’s slow like a normal pitcher, but then he launches it forwardlike a slingshot. It’s weird, because most pitchers have 1 fluid motion, you know? Looks like an injury waiting to happen lol.

    I bet it throws the hitters off though.

  46. first time lawng time says:

    Rank these pitchers from who you think is the best pitcher at the moment, from greatest to least greatest: Halladay, CC, Price, Lincecum, Hernandez, Cliff Lee.

    I say:
    1. Hernandez
    2. Halladay
    3. Lincecum
    4. Cliff Lee
    5. CC
    6. Price

    I might swap Lincecum and Lee though. I’ve never watched Lincecum before, but I hear he’s pretty good lol.

  47. First Time Poster says:

    That makes for a funny mental image.

  48. ShuutoHeat says:

    Kung Fu Panda putting up a fight with this AB, I like.

  49. vin says:

    For anyone interested, I’ve calc’d the BABIP for the Yanks and Rangers.

    After Game 5 (current)
    Rangers – .369
    Yanks – .257

    After Game 4
    Rangers – .346
    Yanks – .256

    It’s good to see that our eyes aren’t deceiving us – the Rangers are hitting and inordinate amount of balls for hits (especially considering they’re facing playoff pitching [allegedly]).

    Their BABIP actually improved after last night’s game. The biggest culprits for both teams:

    Bengie – .500
    Cruz – .500
    Moreland – .462
    Young – .444
    Vlad – .429
    Elvis – .421
    Murphy – .400
    (Hamilton – .182)

    Posada – .444
    Jeter – .375
    Curtis – .364
    Cano – .308
    (Swish – .083)
    (Tex – .000 obviously)

    The Rangers have 7 guys at or above .400. The Yanks only have Jorge, and that’s because he’s struck out more than anyone on the team (7 k’s – only Vlad’s K’d more, 8). Hell, the Yanks only have 4 players over .300.

    Pretty remarkable. I’m sure its a combination of luck, the Rangers being in a groove, and the first two Yankee starters throwing very hittable pitches.

  50. first time lawng time says:

    With their uniforms, their really nice stadium, and Lincecum and stuff, the Giants are slowly becoming my favorite team…

    You know, not including the Yankees obviously.

  51. First Time Poster says:

    In your opinion, how much better is Lee than CC?

  52. Weird to see shortstops making plays in the hole w/o having to do a jump throw…

    /shot at Jeter’d

  53. bexarama says:

    Roy looks really uncomfortable.

  54. ShuutoHeat says:

    Doc is already as 43 pitches…

  55. Carlosologist says:

    lol what the hell just happened?

  56. JerseyDutch says:

    How is he not out at third?

    • Carlosologist says:

      Because even when umpires have a perfect view of the play, they mess up. They had it right the first time. It should have only been a runner on second with two out.

  57. Hughesus Christo says:

    I heard the Giants’ D was bad, but wow.

  58. Stratman9652 says:

    Wow, and thats how an inning falls apart.

  59. iJoel says:

    The Bunt That Wasn’t..

  60. bexarama says:

    Weirdest inning ever

    • Margaux says:

      Bexarama -

      Since you are a baseball aficionado, and work full time in baseball, blogging here and running a baseball site etc, I was wondering your take on Mike’s article comparing Posada to Molina. Since I am an avid fan but have a rigorous job as a bond trader, I don’t know as much about baseball and baseball stats as you do, obviously. I do deal all day in numbers. Thousands of simulated models with real time facts and also assumptions are placed into my models. This is how we do business, we go with the most probable outcome based on the simulated numbers. When I read this article, as a numbers guy, I questioned why anyone would ever start Jorge Posada behind the plate. Can you shed some light? Would be much appreciated:

      “So based on everything we did above, Jorge Posada playing full time is essentially a league average player because his inability to handle pitchers and awful baserunning negates his offense. Molina, meanwhile, would have resulted in an extra 71 runs assuming equal playing time, or basically seven wins. It’s a big difference, basically the difference between Derek Jeter and Ramiro Pena last season.”


      • bexarama says:

        You could’ve just asked this to everyone, but did you read this part:

        Obviously, you shouldn’t consider this to be any sort of definitive proof that Molina’s ability to work with pitchers is so superior to Posada’s that it would have been worth playing him every day despite the difference in their bats.

        It’s very hard to come up with stats to accurately measure defense in baseball and this goes, like, quadruple for catcher defense. No kidding that Posada is a really bad defensive catcher and Molina a good one, but they might be overstating the importance of that difference. While I do think there can be a relationship issue between pitchers and catchers that I can’t speak to because I’m not there, catcher ERA is pretty useless, too, IMO. Also Molina has a bat that could be best described as barf.

        • Margaux says:

          agreed, but I didn’t include your excerpt because it has nothing to do with the numbers that he laid out in the piece. the numbers jumped out at me. not his disclaimer that the numbers could be wrong or misleading, I go by the numbers.

      • Chris says:

        That analysis assigns all of the pitching difference when Molina and Posada catch to their game calling. While that’s possible, it’s much more likely that a significant portion of that blame/credit should go to the pitchers. That’s particularly important since Girardi has shown a tendency to match up pitcher-catcher batteries (Posada caught CC, Pettitte, and Hughes this year, and Cervelli caught AJ and Javy).

        Once you take out game calling, Posada is 5 wins more valuable than Molina (because he can actually hit).

        • Margaux says:

          Please explain further. Posada caught the Yankees 3 best pitchers this year yet he is worth 5 more wins than Molina because of his offense? please explain.

          • Chris says:

            I was just using this year as an example that catchers and pitchers sometimes get matched up, so you have to look deeper than just what the batting line against is. I don’t know who they caught in 2007-2009 and when (for example catching Mussina in 2007 was very different from catching him in 2008), but you really need to dig into that to get a better idea of whether one was really better than the other.

            As for the 5 wins, the analysis had Molina as 120 runs better than Posada in game calling, but only 70 runs overall. If you take out the 120 runs based on game calling, that leaves Posada as 50 runs better – about 5 wins.

          • Joe West's Music Career says:


            It’s a question of model validity.

            As a bond trader, you have the luxury of getting paid to act with agility, decisiveness, and intelligence based on model output, and assuming you are not dealing with mortgages or more speculative models for corporates, the predictive value/significance of the input variables are probably not in question (I am VERY confident that yield curve, credit quality, and maturity are all significant and explain the overwhelming majority of price movements. Liquidity as well, sometimes). Your quants and economists will be more familiar with this problem.

            The problem here is that there are too many variables that are difficult to quantify, coupled with sample size issues, to back out catcher performance with any confidence.

            While comparing catchers on the same team might seem like it would isolate the variable of their performance effectively, it doesn’t.

            One catcher will almost always have a much more significant sample size than the other, and they may not be evenly distributed across pitchers (The backup catcher often catches one or two pitchers more often). This may apply to competition as well. Backup work often comes in chunks, if the primary catcher is out for awhile, a major chunk of the backup’s activity will come during this period. The team can easily go through a stretch of above average or below average competition during this period.

            So, effectively, you are right, IF Molina is 120 annualized runs better on defense, and 70 worse on offense, then of course he’s the best choice.

            But the assumptions going into the 120 calculation are interesting theoretically, but if you traded off that model, you’d go broke. It’d be a little like basing your risk management strategy entirely on VAR, yet knowing that the distribution of asset returns is maybe not gaussian….

  61. iJoel says:

    I really hate this stupid Cablevision blackout… i can’t see any replays of a play becausse im watching it online…. CRAP

  62. ShuutoHeat says:

    Damn it…

  63. ShuutoHeat says:

    Come on GIDP!

  64. first time lawng time says:


    Blown call, ball takes weird hop, and 3+ runs.


  65. iJoel says:

    Roy is at 43 pitches through 2IP… if they keep working him he might not be in there for more than 5 or 6 at the least… however now that he has a lead, he might go right after the giants hitters..


  66. Jake H says:

    That hit by pitch to Ruiz was bs. If a guy doesn’t even attemp to get out of the way especially against a change up it should be a strike

  67. ShuutoHeat says:

    Wow, that is some BS luck! Luckily Utley throws it away.

  68. Mike R says:

    Hey all.. Gonna be my only non-yankees post ever.. But does anyone know if I can somehow stream Fox Five legally or illegally online.. Getting screwed over by Cablevision and Fox and wanted to watch this game.. Any helps appreciated

  69. Big Stein says:

    Lincecum’s pitches are too damn high!

  70. bexarama says:

    Well at least this game hasn’t been weird or sloppily-played or anything like that.

  71. Stratman9652 says:

    So how does Swisher’s mouth not get him in more trouble? Not that he’s wrong, I’d get sick off hearing about Cliff Lee too, but he seems to have a tendency of talking faster than he thinks.

  72. Chris says:

    Wow. Pat Burrell looked like he was running in slow motion.

  73. Carcillo says:

    There is NO denying Cody Ross’s awesomeness.

  74. dkla says:

    rob coordry is on fire

    go giants!

  75. Nathan says:

    Ok seriously… what has this world come to? CODY ROSS?!!?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?!

  76. Erica says:

    That Werth guy has an arm on him.

  77. Carlosologist says:

    Given that the Giants clinch tonight, who takes home the hardware?

  78. Erica says:

    Cody Ross, chill out with your awesomeness. I don’t want to root for a potential rival!

  79. FIPster Doofus says:

    I am strongly considering buying a playstation 3 for the sole purpose of playing MLB 10: The Show, of which I’ve heard nothing but amazing things. Is it worth it?

  80. Carlosologist says:

    Jesus, what an arm.

  81. JDDZip says:

    So who’s rooting for rain storms tomorrow night? http://www.weather.com/weather.....3?dayNum=1

  82. mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ) says:

    hypothetical offseason fun:
    trade swisher/granderson/montero/hughes/joba for king felix, then sign lee and werth and call it a day

  83. dkla says:

    only in san francisco would they play the theme from “8 1/2″ to imply clownishness by an opponent

  84. Erica says:

    Seriously, I need to get me to a game in San Fran.

  85. ZZ says:


    I’m just reading your chat now. You said Cano is probably a top 10, not top 5 player.

    Who is in your top 5 that Cano is not in there? I’ll open this question up to everyone else as well to weigh in.

  86. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    Love the Widespread Panic riff on Fox going to the commercial…Ain’t Life Grand!

  87. dkla says:


  88. Andy says:

    How would rain effect the rotations?

    I assume Texas is going to stay on rotation no matter, since they want Lee for game 7.

    If tomorrow night gets rained out, do they pitch Andy on Saturday and CC on Sunday? If they win tomorrow and Saturday gets rained out, do they pitch Andy or CC on short rest on Sunday? I would vote for Andy over CC on short rest.

    • first time lawng time says:

      Rains in the forecast? If so, pitch Andy on Sat. If tomorrow is rained out.

      • Kit says:

        If the Yankees win Game 6, they need someone who can possibly out pitch Cliff Lee. Not saying that Phil can’t do it, but in a possible series clincher, you don’t take that chance. Phil with CC in the pen should be good to go if there’s rain. He’ll get an extra day of rest, which shouldn’t kill either of them.

        • first time lawng time says:

          What about if fri rains out and they play sat and sun how about Andy Saturday with CC Sunday? Hughed in pen both nights maybe?

      • Andy says:

        Yeah rain is in the forecast tomorrow and Saturday

  89. Erica says:


  90. First Time Poster says:

    Damn. Lucky liner.

  91. dkla says:

    i f-ing love san francisco

  92. Hahaha did Lincecum seriously just look at Rollins and shout “YOU STAY THERE”?!

  93. FIPster Doofus says:

    “I like your hat.”

    /Peter Griffin’d

  94. first time lawng time says:

    What is the singer wearing?

    Good lord, I hope she has a valid reason for stepping out of the house wearing something like that.

  95. first time lawng time says:

    Question: if the Yankees sign Lee this off season, what does our rotation look like if Pettitte retires? And if he doesn’t retire?

    Also, did you guys see the game on TV yesterday and see a guy holding a sign that said “A Sign of Life”? I know this is random, I just thought it was pretty funny and give the props for wittness. Just an observation I thought I’d share.

    • JerseyDutch says:

      1. CC
      2. Lee
      3. Hughes
      4. Pettitte
      5. Burnett

      1. CC
      2. Lee
      3. Hughes
      4. Burnett
      5. Nova

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      I’d go with Sabathia-Lee-Hughes-Burnett-Chamberlain.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Tough to say now since the trade market is still developing and the FA market seems unattractive.

      W/ Pettitte:
      Hiroki Kuroda

      Perhaps Justin Duchscherer as an option?

      Hiroki Kuroda
      Justin Duchscherer

      So yeah Pettitte needs to come back.

    • vin says:



      • first time lawng time says:

        No way the Yanks get Greinke. How would they?
        I don’t even want Greinke TBH.

        • vin says:

          I think if Pettitte retires, or if they whiff on Lee, they try to get a Grienke-type pitcher. They absolutely have the pieces to get it done. I’m certainly not an expert on his psychological problems, but if he’s comfortable playing in NY (and he hasn’t said otherwise) then I think he can do it. He’s got the ability.

          Maybe they don’t end up with Grienke himself, but I can see them acquiring a guy of his ability if they don’t get Andy or Lee for next year.

          FWIW, I’m 98% certain Andy returns. Guys who are still on top of their game, and can make 12+ milliion dollars do NOT just walk away. Especially considering the fact that Andy is considered to be one of the most competitive guys on the team. I really can’t see him walking away easily.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Why not? SAD ‘issues’ aside which I don’t think will be a huge difference from another city but regardless he’s a damn good pitcher. One of the best.

          And the Yanks could do a better Lee deal for him. Jesus + Betances/Banuelos + Nunez and Jose Ramirez?

          • first time lawng time says:

            I wasn’t really aware the he had issues. Acutally, the reason I don’t really want is one you guys are gona make fun of me for. But the truth is that I think it would be alittle overkill for them to sign another ace. Yeah they have the money and it’s not against the rules, but I think it would be overkill and unnecessary. Kinda unfair, I guess. IDK.

            If they sign Lee, don’t sign Greinke, if they don;t sign Lee, sign Greinke or something like that.

            • vin says:

              That’s why having players like Gardner, Granderson, Swisher, a cheap bench and bullpen are so important. Every dollar you save on guys with favorable contracts can be spent on improving the team in other areas.

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              No I understand. I sorta feel that way about Lee but I won’t lose sleep if he’s in pinstripes.

    • Reggie C. says:

      With Pettitte back in the fold:
      CC, Lee, Burnett, Hughes, Pettitte

      Without Pettitte back …:
      CC, Lee, Hughes, Burnett, Nova/Phelps/Joba

      - Its easier to list internal options rather than list FA/trade options. Highly improbable Cashman would pursue a type A FA pitcher not named Cliff Lee. Cliff Lee really does represent that significant an upgrade to the rotation.

  96. Reggie C. says:

    Can I get a couple answers to this FF question: Who do I start this week 7: Eli or Ben?

  97. Chris says:

    I just noticed that tomorrow is Cano’s birthday. Let’s hope the Rangers get him something nice. Like a few BP fastballs.

  98. swisher's fauxhawk says:

    Nice hops.

  99. Hall and Nokes says:

    I’m glad the short version of the XXL chalupa commercial still features the ass-slap.

  100. Carlosologist says:

    Romo’s slider has some crazy ass break.

  101. marc says:

    Nice catch by utley

  102. first time lawng time says:

    5 least favorite Yankees that ever played for them this year in no particular order:
    1. Chan Ho Park
    2. Randy Winn (lol)
    3. Cervelli
    4. Mitre
    5. Kearns


  103. mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ) says:

    gameplan: hughes wins friday, andy wins saturday, yankees go to WS, andy goes to HOF

  104. candyforstalin says:

    is hiroki kuroda a type a or b?

  105. Erica says:

    C’mon, Buster “Old Soul” Posey!

  106. Erica says:

    UGH I just want the Giants to win this, you know?

  107. Carlosologist says:

    Damn, what a weak showing by the Giants. I guess that’s what happens when you have to take on The Roy Halladay, ace of aces, king of kings, etc.

    • vin says:

      Calm down, its not like he’s Cliff Lee. Yeah he threw a no-hitter against the best offense in the league, but that was what… 2 weeks ago?! What have you done for me lately, “Doc”?

  108. FIPster Doofus says:

    Jayson Werth went happy-go-jacky on that pitch like a donkey eating a waffle.

  109. Tom Zig says:

    Things I don’t understand:

    Hatred of Nick Johnson.
    Hatred of Girardi’s binder.
    Hatred of Lance Berkman

    • first time lawng time says:

      Nick Johnson: Replaced Hideki Matsui, who had always been great as a Yankee, and played 1.5 months-ish.
      Girardi’s Binder: 2009 ALCS Game 4 is an example.

      That’s my opinion at least.

      Lance Berkman: I don’t hate him. But I think people do after his attrocious start.

      • Kit says:

        Still don’t understand the Nick Johnson hatred. I love Matsui, always have and always will, but baseball is a business. Hating the player who replaced him when he had nothing to do with the previous player is childish. Nick got hurt, plain and simple, he didn’t do it intentionally, he’s just always been fragile. It’s no reason to dislike him though. It’d make more sense to dislike him because he wasn’t producing at the plate (and even then, dude got a ton of walks).

        • first time lawng time says:

          I agree it would make more sense to blame Cashman than Johnson, because it’s not Johnson’s fault Hideki left, but it’s just kinda human nature to be quick to blame people.

          It’s irrational, but whatever.

          • Kit says:

            It is irrational. Hating Cashman is also irrational since Matsui is probably vacationing back in Japan and losing no sleep over any of this.

    • bexarama says:

      I’ve noticed so much snark for Girardi’s binder that it is absurd. God forbid a manager tries to take every possible advantage for his team that he can.

      I guess I understand the hate for NJ because he gets hurt and ZOMG wasn’t even hitting .200 ZOMG.

    • vin says:

      I’d add:

      Hatred of Jorge Posada

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      I think the Johnson hatred stems from three things:

      1. The Yankees let Damon and Matsui go and signed him.

      2. There are still a lot of people who put all their eggs in batting average’s basket while ignoring OBP. For instance, if Johnson came to the Yankees with a .330/.360 career line, many more fans have been receptive to the acquisition; instead, it’s an even better .270/.401 line, but the ignorance of OBP has turned people against him.

      3. Injury-proneness. And, unlike the prior two, this reason is actually valid.

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        *would have been receptive

      • first time lawng time says:

        2. While having patience is a good thing, I’d rather have a guy that hits for average really well than a guy who walks really well (f that makes sense). Seems more valuable.

        • FIPster Doofus says:

          Getting on base 40 percent of the time is better than doing it 36 percent of the time. The Yankees signed Johnson to hit second and get on base by whatever means necessary for the Teixeira/A-Rod/Cano troika. Pre-injury, he was doing the job despite a low batting average.

          • first time lawng time says:

            But my point is that I’d rather have a .360 hitter than a .460 OBP. This is because I feel a better hitter is more valuable than better walker.

            Suppose you’ve got a runner on 3rd 1 out. Do you want him to get a hit or draw a walk? Either way he keeps the inning alive but the results are different. I know this logic may seem flawed, but my point is that the .360 guy is liklier to get a hit and the .460 guy is liklier to draw a walk.

            • FIPster Doofus says:

              “Suppose you’ve got a runner on 3rd 1 out. Do you want him to get a hit or draw a walk?”

              Any type of positive production would work. If the guy walks, you have two men on with one out. That’s great. If he gets a hit, you score and still have a man on, which is also excellent.

              • first time lawng time says:

                Thats true, but the walk increases your chances of not scoring the runner on third, because you’ve got the ability to GIDP.

                Kinda unrelated to Nick Johnson, but when we’ve got someone on third with 1 out and gardy draws a walk for Jeter, I kinda cringe because I just feel a double play coming. I guess that’s where my logic is coming from.

                • FIPster Doofus says:

                  Jeter’s a GIDP machine, so I can’t blame you there.

                  However, back to Johnson. Say he walks to put men on the corners. With two men on, one out and the 3-4-5 hitters looming (Teix/A-Rod/Cano), the odds of scoring at least one run would be awfully high.

                  In short, Johnson came in to set the table as the No. 2 hitter; the guys following him eat the food (knock in the runs).

                  • first time lawng time says:

                    Yeah. I agree with that.

                    Ignoring Nick Johnson now,and who else is in that lineup, I would rather have a guy with a crazy avg than a guy with a crazy obp. Both are valuable, but that’s just my opinion.

            • Kit says:

              Not necessarily. Let’s say he did draw a walk and whoever was behind him hit a home run. Instead of a 2-run HR, it would be a three run home run. Or if the hitters behind him even hit a double or a single, you still have runners on base and a possibility of “big innings.” My explanation probably doesn’t make sense because I’m hoped up on some pain meds, but my point is don’t discount the guys who walk just because they don’t hit .360. They’re just as valuable.

              • first time lawng time says:

                They’re valuable in their different ways.

                But I disagree with that first part. Suppose the avg guy gets a hit. He hits and drives in a run, score is 1-0. Guy after him hits a homerun and it’s 3-0. Now suppose the obp guy draws a walk. Runners on first and second. Next guy hits a homer, and score is 3-0. In this situation they both yield the same results. I’m just saying that there are more possibilities or a better result to come from the guy getting the hit than the guy drawing the walk. (because there are more oppurtunities to fail, etc)

        • Kit says:

          When you’re batting second in a line up, walks are also valuable. The point is to get on base for the heavy hitters behind you.

          • first time lawng time says:

            I know they are both valuable, but in my opinion a better avg is more valuable.

            • Kit says:

              And you’d be wrong. A solid batting average is awesome, but it doesn’t guarantee anything. Even the great Josh Hamilton can’t deliver sometimes.

              • Kit says:

                Actually I shouldn’t say you’d be wrong, but walks are just as good. The Yankees philosophy is to work counts, draw walks or get hits while simultaneously tiring out pitchers. It’s just as important as delivering because you get to keep the inning going, create possibility of disturbing the pitcher, throwing off the defense if you’ve got speed, etc. You have to essentially pass the baton in the hopes that the people behind you can keep the inning going and deliver the hits. It shouldn’t rest on one player’s shoulders.

              • first time lawng time says:

                A walk doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll deliver though.

                I mean who would you rather have up at the plate:
                Robinson Cano and his acg or Nick Johnson and is OBP?

                • Steve H says:

                  If the power is equal I’d take Nick Johnson and his OBP.

                • Kit says:

                  A walk is delivering. You’re on base, which is essentially, a way to score runs if there are hits/walks that go your way.

                • FIPster Doofus says:

                  Believe it or not, if you’re to measure the careers of Cano and Johnson, the latter has been the more productive hitter.

                  Obviously Cano was MVP-like this past regular season. Why? Because he finally had his cake and ate it, too, meaning he hit for average and developed patience (8.2% BB rate, by far a career high). That helped beget career highs in OBP (.381), wRC+ (145) and wOBA (.389).

        • bexarama says:

          The dude with a .400 OBP is making many fewer outs than the dude with a .360 OBP. Not making outs is a really, really valuable skill to have in baseball.

          • first time lawng time says:

            But the guy with the higher avg is likelier to drive in runs vs the guy who walks.

            I see what you’re saying and while it is valuable, I’d rather have a guy with a great avg than a guy with a great OBP.

            • Steve H says:

              Who is the guy with the higher average driving in?

              The guys who get on base. In baseball, with no clock, the best thing you can do at the plate is not make an out. A .320/360/.500 line in general will create less runs than a .270/.400/.500 line.

        • candyforstalin says:

          if the slg is the same, you’d be wrong.

        • vin says:

          A hit is definitely more valuable than a walk, but its not like Nick is a slouch with the bat (his 72 ab’s this year notwithstanding). He’s a career .270 hitter, but his career wOBA is .370. That’s a very respectable number (on par with the 2010 performances of Tex, Hanley, Mauer, Butler, Ethier, Utley).

    • bonestock94 says:

      Hate is strong, I resent Johnson’s epic failure though. Loved the signing, I guess I was kidding myself thinking he’d stay healthy.

    • Stratman9652 says:

      Im sorry for disagreeing with the general public but I dont get the Cervelli hate.

      So the kid doesn’t have a power bat and his defense turned out to be average at best. If it wasn’t for Jorge getting hurt causing all the extra playing time, he would have been purely a backup catcher and this would have been fairly acceptable. He’s a young catcher who didnt get much of a chance to develope in the minors. His true value is in the fact that his being here gave Montero plenty of time to develope and kept Posada healthy enough to play as much as he has this postseason.
      That being said I have to agree its frustrating as hell seeing him come to the plate in a big situation and make the final out as often as he does.

      • bonestock94 says:

        Minus a couple of streaks he contributes nothing offensively, and on top of it he sucks behind the plate. I’d rather have one of the good defensive journeymen catchers floating around any given offseason.

      • Steve H says:

        I think the Cervelli bashing in general comes from the overabundance of Cervelli love. When people (many people) suggest that Cervelli is better than Posada it makes my blood boil and I take it out on Frankie. I do wish he was better defensively as a backup but his bat is acceptable (again as a backup).

    • bonestock94 says:

      Oh and how could anyone hate having Berkman on the team? Maybe I’m living in 2002 but I freaking love the guy and expect massive homers when he’s up.

      • Stratman9652 says:

        I gotta say I was dissapointed in him at first but God damn am I glad he proved me wrong and is getting a shot to show what he’s got. Not to mention what a class act guy he is. I’ll be a fan for life.

  110. Carlosologist says:

    My God, Werth hit that out like it was nothing.

  111. anon says:

    F-it lets sign Werth for the bench.

  112. candyforstalin says:

    the yankees-phillies series starts when, exactly?

  113. mike c (LETS GO YANK KEEZ) says:

    kung fu panda kind of reminds me of a shorter fatter version of cano at the plate

  114. Tom Zig says:

    So I just found out that the original Law and Order has been cancelled after 20 seasons. That’s a darn shame. Although I probably was the only one watching the shows any more.

  115. Tom Zig says:

    Wow has any show been cancelled faster than “Lone Star”? It was cancelled after it’s second(!) episode.

    • bexarama says:

      that one show that had Hugh Jackman and involved Las Vegas and singing? I think that got cancelled after ONE episode

      • Tom Zig says:

        Nope, I think we’re talking about something else.

        This was about a Texan con-man, who leads a secret double life.


        And what’s with all these shows with the primary setting in Texas?

        Ok I mean it’s really only this show and Chase, but still. Random. Side note: I dig chicks with southern accents.

        • FIPster Doofus says:

          If you think that’s bad, a film about Cliff Lee’s incomparable career as a Texas Ranger has already been made. “Hanging from a Cliff: A Dream Realized,” starring Jon Hamm as Cliff Lee and Samuel L. Jackson as Ron Washington. In theaters 1/1/11.

    • candyforstalin says:

      it was, by far, the best new series this fall. oh network television.

  116. Tom Zig says:

    Did anyone here watch the show “FlashForward”?

    • Erica says:

      Yes! And I have to say, I did like it… and then… I got sick of it. I was the same way with “Lost” – watched the first few seasons, got frustrated over the frequent breaks between episodes and just parted ways with it.

      I guess you watched “FF” – what did you think of it?

      • Tom Zig says:

        I really enjoyed the show, and really wished they would continue it. But they really screwed themselves by having a 3 month break in the middle of the season. Part of the first season aired Sept-Dec and then BOOM no more episodes till mid March. This is America, people, we don’t have long attention spans. It shouldn’t surprise them that they lost so many viewers.

        Also a really good show: The Event

        • Erica says:

          Exactly! Normal seasons don’t progress in that manner. They just kind of keep on going and really take breaks around the holidays.

          Is “The Event” worth it? I saw a commercial and it just seemed like EVERY other show of that genre.

          • Tom Zig says:

            It’s tough to follow at first, because there are a lot of flashbacks. I like it, but I also like zombie movies (not related to this show) and crazy shows like this. Although I never liked Lost.

  117. Double G says:

    Post game for the Phillies says that Doc pitched with a groin pull after the 2nd inning.

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